Mafia #100 - Game Over

[Battle Mage]

hello...ladies.

*creeps into room*

BM

[Battle Mage]

Right, first things first.

BloodCovenent - look me in the eye, and tell me you are town. Then tell me you are scum. I'll then ascertain which i believe.

In all seriousness, i should sleep now, before i just collapse. Will post something utterly fantastic tomorrow.

Goodnight!

BM

[Battle Mage]

so, wanna tell me why these guys seem to think you are scum? I'd like to think i can meta you by now, so if you're town, you can talk me round.

BM

[Battle Mage]

If you wish, Battle Mage what are your thoughts?

This dude has no thoughts.

*Modkill*

Reading now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BC's first post seems town. Why would he want me here if he was scum?
12 by Magichands seems a bit over-stated.
14 by BC is really unnecessary.
25 by Kise is overly-cautious.
32 by Konowa is highly protown.
39 by Volume is scummy. Especially if BC is town methinks.
131 by BC is very scummy, as is his use of the cop breadcrumb as a defence.

Got bored. BC could well be scum. Magichands is 100% obvtown.

Vote: BC

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Hammah Baby!

Gdnight all.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I was just Vanilla.

If the Kill scene says otherwise, I don't know why.


Just note my case on qwints tomorrow.

BC's first post seems town. Why would he want me here if he was scum?
12 by Magichands seems a bit over-stated.
14 by BC is really unnecessary.
25 by Kise is overly-cautious.
32 by Konowa is highly protown.
39 by Volume is scummy. Especially if BC is town methinks.
131 by BC is very scummy, as is his use of the cop breadcrumb as a defence.

Got bored. BC could well be scum. Magichands is 100% obvtown.

Vote: BC

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Hammah Baby!

Gdnight all.

BM

I don't like how I had a small case on Magichands early this day, and what I believe was around that time, BM in his review gives up and just hammers me, and states that MH is 100% obv town.

Be wary of Battle Mage and Magic Hands. Qwints as well.

p.s. Battle Mage, why didn't you finish >.>

If you're town, i will acknowledge that my read on you is not as good as i thought.

No hard feelings hombre!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Okay so this is what I'm taking away from the nightkills, the Sicilian Mafia Goon probably means that there's more than one Mafia faction. I'm guessing there's either three Mafia factions or two and a vigilante/serial killer.

i dont remember ever seeing 3 mafia groups in a large normal...

Love the way Tubby just owned Hewitt. Also amused that 3 of the people i would have potentially pursued today, all got killed. Should be advantageous.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I got owned? I'm pretty sure I didn't...or are you just a little pissy that I kind of just linked you to a player who flipped scum.

Yeh. You come off that looking far worse. And i had you down as a pretty sound player. Hence, amusing that Tubby out-argued you, without even trying.

OMGUS? If you wanna attack me, dont beat about the bush.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Yeh. You come off that looking far worse. And i had you down as a pretty sound player. Hence, amusing that Tubby out-argued you, without even trying.

OMGUS? If you wanna attack me, dont beat about the bush.

BM

Hm I didn't even know me and tubby were in an argument but okay. And that little jab of mine wasn't an attack. The first part was when I linked you to Ditto. The jab was just me being a smart aleck cause I thought you were being one too lol.

Well, discussion then. The first part wasnt either. But, if you're under any illusions, i shall respond. Just so we're clear.

BM

[Battle Mage]

It's quoted for everybody's reference, I personally don't think that there's much to be dissected from it except for all the little references to Battle Mage. There's quite a little bit of defending on Battle Mage's part.

well, for a start, BM has been busy for the past two days...I should know, I was with him. I'm pretty sure that his intentions were to be in the game since he was quite excited about it yesterday.

Haylen, complaining on my behalf about me getting booted from the game. If you'd really been paying attention, you'd have noted that this was before i joined with this role. Therefore, any link would be with my original role, if you hope to presuppose that she was upset that we didnt get to be scumchums.

Furthermore, i should note that Haylen and i are friends irl, and the reason i did not pick up my role pm, was because i wasnt at a computer for 48 hours. She knew this, and was able to relay it to you, because for most of that time, she was with me. haha

Tyler, I am not surprised that Battle Mage has not provided much in a way of answers. That is all.

Again, i wasnt even in the bloody game at this point. Lmao
PLEASE keep up.

I have never seen BM have a thought in the amount of time I've known him

That's just mean. And in no way game-related. Need i say more?

I think the defending Battle Mage's inactivity was excessive. That's pretty much the only thing I can get out of Ditto's posts though, there really wasn't much.

Erm, she didnt defend my inactivity. Given i was never inactive. lol

Now it's over to you. Come up with something genuinely insightful, to prove you aren't just looking to push a crapcase today.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well then how do you respond to me pointing out that Ditto unnecessarily defended you a couple of times?

Patience, comrade.

Vote: Hewitt

I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt till i read this. You arent stupid, and you certainly wouldnt genuinely believe you had anything resembling a case there, even IF it was all accurate.

I'm actually embarrassed for you. But, I'LL get over it.

(^5 tubby )

BM

[Battle Mage]

would help if the mod removed the carcasses from the playerlist

BM

X:

If I do that, then it destroys the surprise for anyone who wants to read the game for the first time. I'd suggest looking at vote counts for current player lists.

[Battle Mage]

Huh, those are pretty interesting votes. I'll have to wait until more people weigh in to decide whether I genuinely did a good job of starting D2 conversation or not seeing as three people talking back and forth isn't exactly what I was going for. I will say though that you haven't really presented a case against me so I'll be waiting for that as well.

interesting? I wouldnt be so calm in your situation, regardless of affiliation. Why you fakin on me?

You werent trying to start Day 2 conversation, so don't backtrack. You were trying to blow smoke at me. And it well and truly backfired, didnt it?

I notice you havent attempted to apologise, or even acknowledge your mistake. Why is that?

And why undermine the case on you, when you havent acknowledging humiliating yourself?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I don't understand why you're asking me that question tubby.

can you clarify where the emphasis is here? Very very odd...

I also dont understand why you cant just answer the question. It's fairly simple. I think maybe you smell a trap. You aint town.

@ Tubby - where do i know Post 408 from?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Of course I'm not going to apologize because I didn't make a mistake and I haven't humiliated myself so there's nothing for me to acknowledge. I also didn't blow smoke at you, I made an observation and I thought it was a good one considering there's nothing else to go off. You don't have a case on me so there's nothing to even defend myself with. Pretty simple.

Did you read 401? Damn man. You got 1 more post to bite on the bottle, or you'll be lynched by sunset.

BM

*for future reference, its generally better to make a tactical retreat when all evidence suggests we got you beat. lol

[Battle Mage]

Haylen, complaining on my behalf about me getting booted from the game. If you'd really been paying attention, you'd have noted that this was before i joined with this role. Therefore, any link would be with my original role, if you hope to presuppose that she was upset that we didnt get to be scumchums.

Furthermore, i should note that Haylen and i are friends irl, and the reason i did not pick up my role pm, was because i wasnt at a computer for 48 hours. She knew this, and was able to relay it to you, because for most of that time, she was with me. haha

I'm so confused by what you're talking about with original roles and whatnot. I understand now that you replaced into the game, as did I, and I wasn't aware that you were real life friends with half of Ditto. I suppose that explains the banter. I wouldn't have assumed that considering I truly am anonymous on this site I know no one but if I did have a friend on the site I would be bantering with them as well. I guess my observations really did mean nothing then which is an awesome feeling thank you so much for pointing that out.

No sweat. It's pretty much what i'm here for. Not only that, but you can also understand why we find you scummy, for pushing something so completely illogical and weak, as a valid case.

As i said before. Give us a better option, and we might consider unvoting. Right, guys? xD

BM

[Battle Mage]

I think I'm going to vote Hewitt too!

Wait, nope, the case on him is as crappy as his case on BM.

I'll reread and give my own opinion on this situation, but three votes on Hewitt with such a weak case is scumpoints for Lunatic and Tubby (none for BM because he started the wagon and its his own dillusional case)

Rather than throw out random (haha punny) insults, would you care to explain your views atall? The protown motivation for Hewitt would be good. I dont see any protown reason not to suspect him at this point.

FoS: Dramonic

BM

[Battle Mage]

The case has more got a reaction out of you, which is in itself a case. If you didn't shoot Ditto surely you'd have said you didn't.

yes this is something I find quite funny. Why don't you just say that you didn't shoot Ditto. Atleast you've said it then.

QFAT

[Battle Mage]

No sweat. It's pretty much what i'm here for. Not only that, but you can also understand why we find you scummy, for pushing something so completely illogical and weak, as a valid case.

As i said before. Give us a better option, and we might consider unvoting. Right, guys? xD

BM

Uh don't just think I'm going to do your dirty work for you. But yeah dramonic's right you really don't have a case on me. Again tubby, I have no idea what you're playing at here.

my dirty work? So, err...you think im scum then?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I do not like either case for BM or Hewitt. BM is simply twisting all of Hewitts words against him and over exaggerating everything he says as scummy, or that is the impression that I am getting. Where as Hewitt's case on BM is dry with nothing supporting it other then Ditto's weak attempts to defend BM. Both sides are fairly bland and not worth any votes but at least the day has sorta started now.

@Tubby- from what I see thus far, you are claiming that Hewitt killed Ditto? What proof do you have of this? If your just jesting, then please stop as it has carried on far enough.

I also do not like Random's random vote. I know it wasn't that random since he was just jumping on a premature bandwagon but I just thought it would be funny to say that.

Nothing premature about the bandwagon.

If you wish to claim i am twisting Hewitt's words, examples would be nice. Otherwise, you pretty much sit in the same seat as Dramonic- subtly defending Hewitt, without a hint of evidence.

BM

[Battle Mage]

tubby I'm wondering why you're asking this question, it doesn't sit right. Anyways I didn't start a case on Battle Mage if I'd been building a case I would've voted him. I pointed out an observation and honestly he overreacted majorly.

Actually, you said in an earlier post that you DID think you were starting a case on me. Furthermore, you hinted in a separate post that you felt my criticism of you was OMGUS, hence you obviously viewed your original pathetic attack on me, as, an attack.

Let's get back to the facts here, eh? You made SEVERAL observations, all as ill-concieved as each other, and my reaction was perfectly valid. You should know i love being right, and your posts today have been so devoid of anything protown, i'm really enjoying being the class bully for a bit.

But again, your language suggests you think i am scum:

honestly, he overreacted majorly

But you havent even considered putting your money where your mouth is. My only conclusion is that you havent quite accepted that your case on me was bs, and want to continue to throw faeces in my direction.

Good luck with that. I'd like to hear more from Tubby.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Confirm Vote: Hewitt

Not surprised at all.

BM

[Battle Mage]

hmm, im not sure what to make of the claims. I think if there is an actual Vig out there, they should counter-claim now, because Tubby-town can watch them tonight, and it allows us to confirm him aswell. Oddly, i considered the kill order perception that somebody mentioned too. But apparently that isnt the case.

Tubby, can you watch yourself?

Hewitt, what are the odds of you vigging me tonight?

BM

[Battle Mage]

also,

Unvote, Vote: Black Jinx

I felt he was town on the grounds that Hewitt was scum. Now that is in doubt, i'm less sure. Seems a good place to start.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hewitt, what are the odds of you vigging me tonight?

If I had to make a decision right now on who to vig it would probably be you but again, that decision can't possibly be made until the events of the day play out obviously.

I thought as much. After the events of today, i wouldn't trust you to look after a dead hamster.

So, i guess i have to claim too. I'm a

Doctor

. Which in reality, means Tubby and I are self-sufficient, and you will die tonight. Unless we have another Doctor, in which case, this game should be a piece of cake.

BM

[Battle Mage]

hmm, im not sure what to make of the claims. I think if there is an actual Vig out there, they should counter-claim now, because Tubby-town can watch them tonight, and it allows us to confirm him aswell. Oddly, i considered the kill order perception that somebody mentioned too. But apparently that isnt the case.

Tubby, can you watch yourself?

Hewitt, what are the odds of you vigging me tonight?

BM

i do not understand how watching myself would do any good.

Just answer, and then i might explain.

if i could all i would see is who tageted me, and if it was a bus driver then i would have no way of knowing who actually tried to kill me. If don't get any protection it won't matter cause i'll be dead. If i got protected all i would be able to see is who protected me.

No, youd see whomever protected you, and perhaps, whoever tried to kill you.

Hewitt, what are the odds of you vigging me tonight?

If I had to make a decision right now on who to vig it would probably be you but again, that decision can't possibly be made until the events of the day play out obviously.

I thought as much. After the events of today, i wouldn't trust you to look after a dead hamster.

So, i guess i have to claim too. I'm a

Doctor

. Which in reality, means Tubby and I are self-sufficient, and you will die tonight. Unless we have another Doctor, in which case, this game should be a piece of cake.

BM

really??? Normally i would be willing to follow you into the very gates of hell. but i am sorry this wreaks of bullshit. You never claim doctor. I know you could have thought of a better fake claim than this.

vote: Battle Mage

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Haha, atm, i dont think anyone on site has a better grasp on my playstyle than you. That view stands. But, your hypothesis does not necessarily necessitate your vote, if you catch my drift.

Claiming at this point is pretty null, given i feel im likely to get vigged, and regardless of affiliation, i dont wanna get killed tonight. If you can't see my reasoning for this, you should trust me for now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

a power role claim, obviously.

qwints that would've been an impossible claim for BloodCovenent if he was scum after we attacked him for breadcrumbing and he denied it. So why after that did you assume that he would claim a power role after he'd already denied the apparent breadcrumbing to turn around and say oh just kidding I actually was.

Not really. He was attacked for soft claiming a role that knew another's alignment. That leaves plenty of PR's (most likely doctor) for him to claim.

Erm, how would a Doctor know somebody's alignment?

BM, perhaps you didn't notice but Pomegranate flipped doctor. Somebody's got some splaining to do.

unvote, vote: Battle Mage

Lol, yes i'm quite aware of this. Hence my wording.

BM

[Battle Mage]

also,

Unvote, Vote: Black Jinx

I felt he was town on the grounds that Hewitt was scum. Now that is in doubt, i'm less sure. Seems a good place to start.

BM

Wait. Can you please explain a little how you thoguht here?
Have I hunted hewitt? Have I tried to get him out or what?

Your last post was decidedly against him.

Anyway,

Unvote

.

Will get some thoughts down later today.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Sorry, not been quite up to speed with this game.

@BM, so you're saying there's more than one doc in this game, and it's you? Who did you protect on night 1? (I'm skim reading at the moment, so forgive me if you've already said)

I protected you. lmao

BM

[Battle Mage]

hmm, with 21 in the game, I could see there being a second Doc, though I think your blackjinx vote is very dodgy.

My Black Jinx vote no longer exists. Don't sit on the fence.
Besides, it wasnt dodgy at all. Was something of a placeholder, based on his weighing in against 2 assumed power roles.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BC's first post seems town. Why would he want me here if he was scum?
12 by Magichands seems a bit over-stated.
14 by BC is really unnecessary.
25 by Kise is overly-cautious.
32 by Konowa is highly protown.
39 by Volume is scummy. Especially if BC is town methinks.
131 by BC is very scummy, as is his use of the cop breadcrumb as a defence.

Got bored. BC could well be scum. Magichands is 100% obvtown.

Vote: BC

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Hammah Baby!

Gdnight all.

BM

This is not a town aligned BM post this is BM scumm posting, pro town BM would have dug a lil deeper. pro-scum BM is reckless and figures he has more his team so it doesn't matter if he gets caught or not

Why did you not mention this until now? Also, do me a favour, and don't tell me what protown BM WOULD do-it looks silly from my PoV. Scum-BM is not reckless at all. You've seen me as scum right? And you've seen me as town. Tell me-which alignment do i fare better as?

Okay so this is what I'm taking away from the nightkills, the Sicilian Mafia Goon probably means that there's more than one Mafia faction. I'm guessing there's either three Mafia factions or two and a vigilante/serial killer.

i dont remember ever seeing 3 mafia groups in a large normal...

Love the way Tubby just owned Hewitt.

Also amused that 3 of the people i would have potentially pursued today, all got killed. Should be advantageous.

BM

pay attention to the bolded part you just kinda left this out there also not cool

whats wrong with that?

Tbh, if Tubby cant read me as town here, then im probably doomed. It's possible he is scum, but if he is, so is Hewitt, so you guys can work that out on your own. I dont see a Mafia Watcher playing as Tubby has.

I'll get some more thoughts down later, before my inevitable lynch.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM it diddn't hit me until now, Normally i go into a game thinking you are town.

but when you claimed it rang a bell so i went back and re-read and it hit spo i pointed it out,

Well, you're wrong. Sorry, but i'm town. And, frankly, you have nothing to lose by giving me the benefit of the doubt here. Assuming u watch Hewitt, he wont be killed. I'll be protecting you, so if you die, i'll be confirmed scum, and lynched tomorrow. If i'm not a doctor, you were dead before my claim anyway, so it makes no difference. Odds are, scum will kill me tonight, or, if they think i am lynchable, kill someone completely random. Either way, with me alive, you wont be killed. With me dead, you will. Where's the motivation for BM-scum to put myself out in the open like that?

If you think it through, you'll realise that me being scum makes absolutely no sense.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Thats no good BM. If you are scum you can just not kill Hewitt and your gambit works

eh? Someone else could have killed Hewitt regardless if i was scum, and i wouldnt be implicated. But, besides killing Hewitt, if i was scum, my claim means my team cannot kill Tubby. Which is nonsensical. Unless ofc, u think i am a complete idiot-scum?

BM

[Battle Mage]

here is how this works,

BM must protect me tonite,

we must decide on a target for hewitt,,

if i die bm is either scum or roleblocked,

if hewitt fails to kill he is either role blocked or scum

but i will not announce who i am watching, just know tthat it may be either

myself, bm or hewitt

and i will leave it at that.

Yep, ill protect you tonight. Tubby, there is no point you watching yourself. I'd suggest keeping the WIFOM down to just 2 players- me and Hewitt. Or alternatively, just say you're going to watch Hewitt. I think me dying might be a best case scenario here, given some people see me as a definite potential mislynch.

How could Hewitt fail to kill? lol

I dont see any reason to suspect a mafia RB. If there is one, they will probably target you tonight, and kill Hewitt.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I dont see any reason to lynch Qwints today. His behaviour towards BC yesterday gives me town-vibes.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Contributed very little to this game, first he defended my wagon here, then he notes that he agree's with something that Dramonic says. That's about all the he said regarding my case. Now he jumps on my wagon with no case of his own. He mentions the "appeal" of mine, which is more of a statement. It shouldn't be regarded as anything important.

He wasn't defending you against Konowa. He was scumhunting; asking Konowa why he voted w/ no explanation. That's not defending you, so, he did not turn 180 because he was never taking your side to begin with.

@BC - Prove your role... how many words are there in the 2nd line of your role PM? How many words in the 3rd line of your role PM? (yes, I'm going there again)

X:

This question is certainly not allowed to be answered.

@Ditto - Ignoring me, are we?

@Konowa - No, the fact that the wagon rose does not prove anything. There are a lot of [town] players here, so when they see a slip, they eat that shit up like piranha food.

This could be a clever gambit, but if not, Kise is almost certainly town too.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I dont see any reason to lynch Qwints today. His behaviour towards BC yesterday gives me town-vibes.

BM

re-read in iso i find him not so town

Erm, i just did reread him in iso. Thats when i made the post you quoted. Qwints is a poor choice for lynch.

BM

[Battle Mage]

here is how this works,

BM must protect me tonite,

we must decide on a target for hewitt,,

if i die bm is either scum or roleblocked,

if hewitt fails to kill he is either role blocked or scum

but i will not announce who i am watching, just know tthat it may be either

myself, bm or hewitt

and i will leave it at that.

Yep, ill protect you tonight. Tubby, there is no point you watching yourself. I'd suggest keeping the WIFOM down to just 2 players- me and Hewitt. Or alternatively, just say you're going to watch Hewitt. I think me dying might be a best case scenario here, given some people see me as a definite potential mislynch.

How could Hewitt fail to kill? lol

I dont see any reason to suspect a mafia RB. If there is one, they will probably target you tonight, and kill Hewitt.

BM

This doesn't seem smart. If there is a (scum)roleblocker and they block battle mage we have one townie(vig) killing another townie(watcher) seems so idiotic.

The sheer fact that bm is for this makes me think hes even scummier.

since when did the plan involve Hewitt killing Tubby? WTF??

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm still not favorable on directing the vig. It's hewitt's choice, but I think he should definitely not target BM nor tubby tonight so we have a chance to see if these roleclaims ring true at all.

Kise - any other people you think are scummy? Coz im not buying Qwints atm.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM seems to have poor reading skills.

Are you intending to elaborate, or is this just a random insult?

BM

[Battle Mage]

not you, the other for thinking Hewitt would shoot Tubby XD

ah i see. Even so, insults are pretty pointless.

Who do you wanna lynch today? I could iso everyone, but some sense of direction would help.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM - What in particular about qwints gives you town vibes? And what do you think about Post 531?

I think Kise is just wrong. Qwints thinking the vanilla town claim was unlikely from scum, rings true from a townie perspective. I'd expect most scumbags to lynch vanilla claims on sight. His doubt was protown.

BM

[Battle Mage]

{Kise = StarKiss}

OK BM, but what do you think about qwints pushing someone 1 less vote closer to a lynch, but then unvoting with the comment, "it's too early for a lynch?"

ive got no real problem with it. He wanted a claim, he got it, and he responded well to it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: DeathNote

Totally not OMGUS. I see Qwints prob-town being wagonned to an almost inevitable lynch, and DeathNote-scum distancing weakly to look town tomoz, but without any risk of derailing the wagon today. He references a case on Qwints, when in fact, no such case exists. He doesnt even weigh in with a vote, and hasn't given due thought to my claim, or even read my recent posts. A minor sidepoint, he also responded to the prod very quickly.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@bm,

look at slicey's last three posts and tell me what you see

I went one better! I looked at the last 4. And yeh, i could see him as scum, but he's amicable to a DeathNote lynch, so i say we test him with that first.

Just a thought regarding the Hewitt claim- If he was indeed scum, why would he submit the kill? It seems more logical that he'd get someone more low-profile to do it. So, if Hewitt is scum, and not a GF, i'd assume that his partners include either Kise, Orangepenguin, and me.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You should at least post to say you aren't dead/quitting the game. It frustrates players when they have to get the mod to prod others into posting.

Also, explaining your suspicions would be nice.

if Hewitt is scum, and not a GF, i'd assume that his partners include either Kise, Orangepenguin, and me.

Any reasoning you would like to share with us as to why these people in particular?

Haha, it isnt rocket science. At a brief glance at the playerlist, they are the players i would consider more reputable than Hewitt.

Why the excessive eloquence?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: DeathNote

Totally not OMGUS. I see Qwints prob-town being wagonned to an almost inevitable lynch, and DeathNote-scum distancing weakly to look town tomoz, but without any risk of derailing the wagon today. He references a case on Qwints, when in fact, no such case exists. He doesnt even weigh in with a vote, and hasn't given due thought to my claim, or even read my recent posts. A minor sidepoint, he also responded to the prod very quickly.

BM

I do not understand half of what you just said. I will admit that being prodded has made me post. The only reason I have been lurking is because I am not able to get into the conversation. My last post was an attempt to get involved as I need motivation, which you voting for me pretty much does.

Lol, happy as i am that i motivated you, it remains to be seen if you actually ARE motivated, or whether you'd now rather just lurk your way out of trouble. The above post is an inadequate response to my comments. Read me in iso, then explain your thoughts on my claim.

You mentioned a case on Qwints. Where is this?

Basically, i think you are just lurking in plain sight, and not really following the game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Huh that is really interesting that you used Italian and not Sicilian Slicey. I definitely would not have made that mistake considering they're not the same.

This is hilariously poor. For the record, i THINK that the counterpart to the Sicilian Mafia, would be the Corsican Mafia. Corsica is FRENCH, not ITALIAN. Therefore, using Italian to refer to Sicilian, cannot be construed as a scumslip, or even a mistake.

Why use a word like "interesting"?

What in God's name do you think that would tell you?? lmfao.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage what the fuck is your problem? Are you honestly so upset that I shot your scum friend that you have to be a complete asswipe in response to everything I say?

Jeez piss off.

You were behaving in a patronising manner towards Slicey. I merely pointed out how you were wrong.

You can't even keep your story straight. You still want to act like you think i am scum, but your vote isn't on me.

FoS: Hewitt

We arent lynching you today, but i want it down on record that i think there's a good chance you are scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I know what your doing Battle Mage I'm not stupid you're attempting to snidely persuade the town to discredit everything I say as stupid or irrelevant.

Wow, over-defensive much? xD

I dont think you need any help from me on that score anyway. The only reason anyone here is taking you seriously, is because you're incredibly erratic, and have claimed a killing role. It's like a RL Serial Killer. haha

I have a 14 year old sister

Sorry bro, i've got a girlfriend. But i'll ask around, k?

and I know that the lmfao and the "What in God's name" and all that shit is put in their simply to make me look stupid to everybody. Did I say I thought it was a slip? Do I seem like a not straight forward player to you? If I thought it was a slip I would've said that's a slip. I thought it was interesting because I never would've made that mistake in saying Italian instead of Sicilian and I don't understand why he would've said Italian.

It seems fairly simple to me. Sicily is an Italian island. Sicilian and Italian arent interchangeable ofc, but i really dont think getting the two confused is particularly odd.

And you don't KNOW that the Corsica Mafia is the counterpart. Unless, of course, you do know. And if that were the case you wouldn't be a doctor now would you?

Lol, now you're just being silly. I've played games with 2 mafia families like this before, and i'm pretty sure the counterpart to Sicilian was Corsican. I dont think id bother mentioning it if i was scum, and it wasnt completely common knowledge, do you?

Your line of interrogation is actually pathetic.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I

Think

I've been told to stop posting. :S

Meh, see you guys later.

BM

[Battle Mage]

erm, wtf? I'm allowed to post again btw. And yeh. That modkill has really f*ed things up. -.-

I guess now i'm protecting Hewitt. Not an idea i'm particularly fond of, given doubts over his claim. If there is a Vig out there, they should CC now, because they wont be able to kill Hewitt tonight.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I know what your doing Battle Mage I'm not stupid you're attempting to snidely persuade the town to discredit everything I say as stupid or irrelevant.

Wow, over-defensive much? xD

I dont think you need any help from me on that score anyway. The only reason anyone here is taking you seriously, is because you're incredibly erratic, and have claimed a killing role. It's like a RL Serial Killer. haha

I have a 14 year old sister

Sorry bro, i've got a girlfriend. But i'll ask around, k?

and I know that the lmfao and the "What in God's name" and all that shit is put in their simply to make me look stupid to everybody. Did I say I thought it was a slip? Do I seem like a not straight forward player to you? If I thought it was a slip I would've said that's a slip. I thought it was interesting because I never would've made that mistake in saying Italian instead of Sicilian and I don't understand why he would've said Italian.

It seems fairly simple to me. Sicily is an Italian island. Sicilian and Italian arent interchangeable ofc, but i really dont think getting the two confused is particularly odd.

And you don't KNOW that the Corsica Mafia is the counterpart. Unless, of course, you do know. And if that were the case you wouldn't be a doctor now would you?

Lol, now you're just being silly. I've played games with 2 mafia families like this before, and i'm pretty sure the counterpart to Sicilian was Corsican. I dont think id bother mentioning it if i was scum, and it wasnt completely common knowledge, do you?

Your line of interrogation is actually pathetic.

BM

I think that was a very good attempt at making me fly off the handle at get modkilled buuuuut no thanks, I don't think I'll bite, not tasty enough. =)

I don't respond well to being baited. Watch where you tread in future.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Geeeze that modkill sucks, but X's been strict. I know I've felt overtly cautious this game cause I can tend to be a bit insulting .

@Mod

I thought it tended that if a town roll was modkilled during the day it'd go into night...was I mistaken?

X:

I am strict, I guess. My policy on rules in general is easy rules, strict adherence. You were mistaken about the modkill policies. It's at my discretion, really, because it isn't prescribed in the rules. I'm willing to talk about it more after the game is over.

regardless than I'm still for qwints

vote qwints

why would we want to go straight into Night? :S

FoS: Benmage

BM

[Battle Mage]

could he not have been replaced...? Ehm... i dont really know what else to say in regard to the modkill. This really rather f***s up the plan of claimed doctor protects claimed vigillante that the watches the vigilante to see if he's telling the truth... If i have that right. O.o Which is now in itself disheartening. (im now afraid to curse btw O.o)

Complete overkill on the AtoE. And your plan makes no sense. Vigilante watching the Vigilante? Ugh, i dont have the foggiest idea what you're talking about here, and as you don't seem to know what the plan is, i find it hard to see why you would be angry at us not being able to do it, ugetme?

Well, that's... unexpected. I think this boosts Hewitt's legitimity though.

How so?

QFT. Note Dramonic fails to respond to this, despite checking the thread.

The BC wagon

The last four people on Blood Covenents wagon was

Qwints,

Benmage,

Pomgranite

and

Battle Mage.

To me there is normally scum in the last four people voting for someone.

To you? Where do you draw this conclusion from? Some sort of explanation would be fab.

1. Pom is struck off that list because well... Pom is dead and confirmed town doctor.

( Im not getting into our claimed doctor(s) right now!! )

I bore this in mind as i continued to read through the thread. I also took note of Blood's last accusations and theories before his lynch. I will add these in when necessary in the process of getting back up to date.

Three kills in One night.

Im of the belief there are 2mafia's and a vig. I find the idea of 2mafia factions and a SK hopelessly impossible to deal with. This is in co-operation with Hewitt.

This is valid, and i agree. We clearly have 2 Mafia's, and 3 anti-town groups seems a bit much. I think we should survey everyone individually just to check there isnt a vig CC out there. If there isn't, then Hewitt can be considered confirmed town.

In retrospect of Ditto's (mafia) death

I believe were Ditto alive today he would be the one on the call of saying I opposed Kise in regard to Blood's so-called slip. Which we now know was misconstrewed words. By this, im leaning to a slight town read from Kise.

I dont understand this.

Gonna pause there. Just read Dramonic's last post. I feel a

Vote: Dramonic

is in order, for BWing, and continuing not to explain his views on Hewitt regarding the Tubby modkill.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Woah, shizzle!
Look what i just found:

Okay so this is what I'm taking away from the nightkills, the Sicilian Mafia Goon probably means that there's more than one Mafia faction. I'm guessing there's either three Mafia factions or two and a vigilante/serial killer.

Erm, Hewitt, if you were the Vig, why would you even speculate about there being 3 mafia factions? I mean, nobody expected you to come out and say "i know there is a vig", but outright lying doesnt do your claim any favours.

HoS: Hewitt

I dont like it. I dont like it one bit...

While this post is small, this also seems like a good time to say:

COMRADES

- If you are the Vigilante, please post "I am the Vig" in your next post. If you are not the Vigilante, please post "I am not the Vig" in your next post. Thankyou x

Oh, and ftr, I am not the Vig.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Sorry for absence.

BM, I'm not getting what you're trying to say in that post? Surely hewitt wouldn't have wanted to reveal he was the vig at that stage, hence his speculation of it?

Please post Vig/Not Vig.

There's a difference between not revealing something, and actually lying. For example, i wouldnt say at any point in Day 1 that there might not be a doc in the game. Because when i claim Doc, it looks really inconsistent. He didnt have to mention potential roles at all. He didnt have to comment. But he did, and he commented in such a way that undermines his claim.

Anyway, im happy to accept him as confirmed town, if nobody else counterclaims. So, why not help with that process?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hewitt's Observations

I too was unnerved by Ditto and Battle Mage's banter.

I smelt BS when i read this, but, nice guy that i am, i gave you the benefit of the doubt.

Iso-reading my posts, shows that i never talked to, or talked about Ditto, at any point while she was alive.

An iso-read of Ditto reveals her mentioning me in only 1 post while i was in the game:

I have never seen BM have a thought in the amount of time I've known him

So, I guess both of Ditto has been busy recently, me with exam results, then loads of emails and documents to fill out. Plus work, and babysitting. Then getting ill.

We shall be more active tomorrow. Now I need to do a re-read and find out if I would have agreed with that hammer, BM, you could have waited until we had posted our opinions.

Kise - Where am I ignoring you? What post/question?

I don't see how this really constitutes an extended period of "banter". Moreover, compare this post, to the 2 occassions Ditto mentions me when i am NOT EVEN IN THE GAME. Also interesting to note- the Zazie half of Ditto, never mentioned me once.

Any suggestion of interaction between me and Ditto as anything other than friends irl, is absurd in the context of the game, and shows that you aren't really paying attention. Further, you are now as guilty as Hewitt was, of trying to push a weak case on me, based on Ditto's flip. The only difference is, Hewitt had the kahunas to be the first one to say it. You are simply hiding behind his coat-tails.

I believe Hewitt shared some of my concerns but upon outlining his beliefs he got immense slack from both Battle Mage and Tubby.

Some lovely buddying going on here. But, in the interest of fairness to Hewitt, i'm going to make you as accountable as i made him.

Unvote, Vote: Snow White

(Yeh, i saw this coming too. )

Hewitt

I will admit though i did not like how Hewitt seemingly fabricated evidence to imply further defensing of Battle Mage by Ditto when Battle Mage was first replaced out of the game upon not recieving his pm. Solid evidence neednt be backed up by fake evidence although Hewitt later admits he was in the wrong.

Let's clarify, shall we? I was never in the game until i replaced in. I didnt pick up my role pm, and god knows, i certainly didnt POST. I'm wondering if you've taken this all on board.

I did rofl tho. Words like "seemingly" and "imply" are very pretty, when you dont wanna alienate Uncle Hewitt, arent they?

More hilariously, within 2 paragraphs, you've managed to pick apart your own argument. So, i'm dying to know-

Where is this "Solid Evidence" against me?

I continued to read leaning toward Hewitt as scum. But was instead appalled to discover Tubby dramatically changed my opinion voting Hewitt based on Battle Mage's arguement without offering his own weighing on the matter.

I dont buy the first sentence for a second. Everything you've said so far, gives me the vibe that not only do you think Hewitt is town, but if he proposed to you, you'd probably accept.

Now, given Tubby's role, do you not think it's quite reasonable that he found Hewitt scummy? ESPECIALLY in light of my post on this page, which points out Hewitt hinting at not being a Vig.

You also havent explained why you feel that Hewitt's alignment would necessarily be different to Tubby's.

Uh dont think im going to do your dirty work for you

Do you find BM scummy? Why? Your dirty work implies that he is scum. Clarification? Admittedly this was before BM's claim. Has your opinion on BM changed or stayed the same?

THIS is good posting.

Tubby (now modkilled)

Apart from outting roles from his obnoxious behaviour in his pursuit of Hewitt "who did you shoot","who did you shoot?","who did you shoot", he contributed to Battle Mages later claim and ARRRGH!!! ive gone into a different ballpark.

Rag on Tubby again, and i'll request that you are modkilled. It's one thing to badmouth somebody while they are here to defend themselves, but it's another entirely to attack them when they cant.

Ftr, Tubby's behaviour was not obnoxious. He played in a perfectly logical manner. He had what effectively amounts to a guilty investigation result, on a scummy player. Hell, forget Hewitt's play. Tubby saw Hewitt kill someone. He was damn right to attack Hewitt. My only criticism of Tubby's play, is that there were far better ways of pursuing Hewitt, and not allowing him such an easy get-out card, if he is scum.

And tbf, if you want to criticise someone for outting roles, maybe you should look at Hewitt himself. Because, it was because of him, and him alone, that i had to claim today.

Sugar, back on point! He's basically on my blacklist for future games

More fool you. Whether you love him or hate him, Tubby is an excellent scumhunter. I won't hear you talk smack about him.

On top of now damaging our chances of winning by getting himself modkilled i did not like his immediate vote for Hewitt. My arguement here was "we were never informed on who may or may not have been shot nor were we informed of the factions we are dealing with" Hewitt addressed Tubbys inquiry what he had meant and Tubbys response was a sickening "things that make you go HMM"

"Sickening"?? Lmfao- bit of an emotive response, no?

So while Tubby may have been town (as now has been revealed) his behaviour was horrendously anti town as im inclined to entertain the claimed Vigilante as no one else has counterclaimed.

Dammit. I had hoped to ask him what he meant by thinking that there were two doctors but he was reluctant to believe BM was one.

I'm assuming this means you arent claiming Vig? Okey doke.

I dont think Tubby could have meant anything by the last comment.

There's alot to digest here, so i'm gonna take a breather. If you wanna start by responding to that, SW, that'd be good.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Not Vig

Also I missed that post from DN. The reason I believe it increases Hewitt's legitimity is that with the modkill, we have proof that Tubby wasn't lying, so they couldn't have been scum together, from this it is 100% assured that tubby was telling the truth so we definitely know that Hewitt really did kill Zaz/Haylen. He hasn't been CCed.

Ah, i see your point.

But my personal feeling is, had they been scum together, it's likely they had killed Ditto anyway. Otherwise they both could have been counter-claimed, which would be rather catastrophic. haha

BM

[Battle Mage]

Not Vig,

How is speculating lying? And from what you've said, you've been planning this doc claim since day 1? Why is that?

Erm, no, i was just giving an example. You dont generally "plan" claims, but you always expect to have to claim at SOME point. And at that time, the last thing you want is for something you've said to completely undermine your claim.

He speculated about the presence of a Vig, and he now claims he KNEW there was a Vig. That's lying. Pretending to not know stuff about the setup when you actually do.

I'm really not liking your aggressive attitude of late. So, Random, i'm putting you on notice. Your next post will be a masterpiece of analytical awesomeness, or i'll be considering you confirmed scum. You arent posting enough content of your own accord for us to get a read on you, so hopefully this ultimatum might motivate you a little...

BM

[Battle Mage]

I still think you're really trying to stretch this point. If he'd said earlier he KNEW there was avig, that would have been revealing. I don't see what has been done wrong here? Are you saying this is a scumslip or what.

He didnt have to mention it at all. What he did say, seems inconsistent. Notice my vote is not on Hewitt. I think if there is no CC, we have to believe him. But i still think it's a valid point, and im vaguely proud i spotted it. Spotting tells isnt normally my forte.

I'm still waiting for you to make some comment about something else. Maybe on Snow White buddying upto Hewitt?

BM

[Battle Mage]

@mod: It's ok, i just don't have that much time on my hands.

Battle Mage, why do you want us to claim vig/not vig? Are you perhaps planning to kill her/him during, say... the night phase?

Vote: Battle Mage

Are you an RL alt?

It's fairly obvious why i want everyone to claim vig/not vig. We have a claimed Vig, and i dont believe the claim. If we have a vig hiding out there, they wont be able to kill him tonight, so they need to CC now. It's as simple as that.

I dont think you are either following the game, or looking properly at whether something is scummy or not.

If you don't intend to play, i seriously suggest that you request replacement. In fact, i demand it. Because we cannot afford to have important positions filled by people who aren't playing.

But before you duck out, if you could claim Vig/Not Vig, that'd be helpful.

Cheers!

BM

[Battle Mage]

This vig/not vig thing is ehhh. I guess here we are confirming Hewitts legitimacy, so i suppose i'm down. A vig should claim, because 1 scum for 1 town is good. However wouldn't he just vig the hewitt tonight and save all our problems??

No, because ill be protecting Hewitt, if there is no counterclaim (and assuming i dont get lynched)

BM

[Battle Mage]

Not Vig

I am not liking how BM is basically controlling this game, or at least trying to. Every other post is him and it is all very wordy and occasionally insulting. Although sometimes he makes good points, I can't help but think that if you throw enough accusations out there.... that something has bound to be right.

How often do aspiring town leaders turn out to be scum?

I've got another cycle max, to live. After that, you guys are on your own. So how about you do us all a favour, and give me the benefit of the doubt for now?

I'll offer the same reccommendation to you as i made to Hulk. If you arent going to read posts because they are "wordy" then you aren't going to find scum. I'd love to see the town win this game, but i'm not going to spoon-feed ANYONE.

Regarding your last point-thats kinda how i play. Ask anyone who has a decent meta of me.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ive skimmed this page and will get back round to it.

Posting just to say

I am not the Vigilante.

Battle Mage. I never ignore anything with my name on it. And i will reply to you as soon as i can once i get round to answering my emails and looking at my other games too.

I'm a little disappointed. If you had time to make a post saying you'd read my comments, i expect you could have used that time to actually reply.

But i wasnt going to accuse you of ducking me, until at least 24 hours or so had passed. I think you're panicking unnecessarily.

But i have also noted BM that some of your comments toward me are completely uncalled for and ftr insulting.

I find it insulting when i get attacked for something so illogical. I'm sorry, but the truth is, i dont have much faith in many of the players here atm, and i can see ridiculous logic like yours actually being carried through, unless i shout and shout and shout until people drop their rope and listen.

I'm starting to realise i'm probably going to die today. So, here's the deal. If there really is a contingent in favour me being lynched, i will self-hammer at the end of the day. But in the meantime, i want to use my last day, as i choose. That means, i ask the questions, you guys give the answers, and i'll give you guys every chance i can to win the game.

If i flip scum, you can ignore everything i've said. Hell, you can probably try and nail my buddies.
If i flip town, at least the day wasn't wasted, and you will have some decent leads to begin tomorrow.

We got a deal?

BM

[Battle Mage]

This vig/not vig thing is ehhh. I guess here we are confirming Hewitts legitimacy, so i suppose i'm down. A vig should claim, because 1 scum for 1 town is good. However wouldn't he just vig the hewitt tonight and save all our problems??

No, because ill be protecting Hewitt, if there is no counterclaim (and assuming i dont get lynched)

But if you both are who you say you are, you'll be killed tonight and he'll be killed the ngiht after. We don't really need a counter claim because the real vig would just vig him. All your doing is risking revealing a real vig for the sake of confirming who you want to protect, which again is null because you are going to be the target of the night. Especially since we just lost our watcher!!

I dont get it. The real vig wouldnt get the chance to kill Hewitt until im dead. That means the night after next, at the earliest. Is that satisfactory?

Hmm, that said, i guess if the Vig dies, then Hewitt is lynched on the spot anyway. Even so, id rather resolve the issue now, in case Hewitt is Mafia, and gets countered by an SK or something like that. Could really screw you over in endgame.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Not Vig

I am not liking how BM is basically controlling this game, or at least trying to. Every other post is him and it is all very wordy and occasionally insulting. Although sometimes he makes good points, I can't help but think that if you throw enough accusations out there.... that something has bound to be right.

How often do aspiring town leaders turn out to be scum?

I've got another cycle max, to live. After that, you guys are on your own. So how about you do us all a favour, and give me the benefit of the doubt for now?

Yeah giving you the benefit of the doubt for now, hence voting qwints. I don't see why you can't just protect someone else. Scum are going to kill you tonight, hewitt tomorrow, this is obvious. A real vig could atleast not have to out himself and could of silenced hewitt himself. Hopefully the real vig just said he wasn't the vig, and will do this after you die.

Ok, i hear ya. Cant believe i didnt think of that... 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

Snow White, just so you know I'm male.

who are you tryin to pull? lmao.

Sorry, couldnt resist!

In response to Snow White…

HEWITT
Yeah I would’ve never assumed two players would be friends in real life but hey I was wrong so whatever. The dirty work quote you pointed out was in response to Battle Mage telling me that he’ll consider unvoting once I find a better case on someone. That’s why I said well screw that I’m not doing your dirty work for you. Say I followed his directing and made a case on someone who was subsequently lynched and found town. I would be put in the blame for that and right back on the chopping block again. So that was me telling Battle Mage he can go do whatever he wants but that I don’t respond to his orders. My opinion on Battle Mage’s alignment is that I’m going to assume he’s telling the truth for today.

If it matters, i'm also friends with Randomlunatic irl.

In regards to randomlunatic’s wagon-jumping I think it’s just a little bit of buddying going on between randomlunatic and BattleMage.

Lmao. Pre-empted much?

@Benmage - hahahaha

BM

[Battle Mage]

when Snow White starts her reply, i'll start workin on my LoS.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Sorry for the inactivity. Amazingly, I've got less free time at school than during work. I stand by my vote.

You arent voting. Need i say any more?

BM

[Battle Mage]

mirror, mirror, on the wall. Who is the scummiest of them all?



BM

[Battle Mage]

This is all for BattleMage

Oh Lord. If you have the choice between Naked Time BM or putting Naked Time on hold to compile a half hour rebuke which would you pick?
"STOP! WAIT A MINUTE! STOP TRYING TO UNHOOK ME!!! SOMEONES MADE A CASE AGAINST ME OVER THE INTERNET!!!!!"
lol. I dont have that much to worry about til night. If im lynched in the mean time then i guess ill have nothing to worry about at all.

Before i start my quote wall post. Sexy time called. Im sorry i disappointed you a lil but given the choice. Im sure you'd make the same call regardless if your mafia or town.

Again, overkill. I honestly don't care about what you do in your private life. As sweeping a generalisation as it is, i think telling someone over the internet when you are having sex, is a bit wierd. Then again, perhaps i'm just bitter that i'm not getting any?

Im hardly panicking though. Its just nothing of harm to post in order to show you im here and hence getting back to your rebuttal with mine own.

Now, what is it about my logic that bothers you? That i DONT want you lynched today? If you are telling the truth about being the doctor then you are right. The MAX cycle imo you have left to live is probably 1day. I fully expect you to by killed tomorrow. If you are not then if i am alive ill question that then. But for today im happier keeping you alive. Where is the flaw in that logic?

I dont have an issue with not being lynched today. Don't tell anyone, but

i'd rather not be lynched

!

Who here wants BM lynched today? I sure as hell dont.

But you cannot blame ANYONE for being dubious of your role claim of Doctor. Can you? Again. Please point out my flaw in logic here on this one.

There's nothing dubious about my roleclaim. 2 Doctors in a game like this is not unheard of. And if i was scum, you have to ask why i would claim Doc, when such a claim would prevent my team from killing claimed power roles. Furthermore, in a game with multiple scumgroups, i'd easily be confirmed a liar. I'd have just as easily claimed something like Tracker or Cop.

Also, underlined is appeal to authority.

-My conclusion to their ususally being at least 1scum on a bandwagon on any given day is from my own previous actions in games and observation of now finished games.

Thats not exactly what you said before. Can you link me to your most recent game as scum?

-BM. Why did you vote Dramonic in favour of Qwints? Do you think Dramonic is scummy? What of Qwints?

He seemed to be avoiding questions. After his response, i'm perfectly happy with him. I felt Qwints was probably town. But he isnt following the game, and ought to be booted out.

-On Hewitt saying 3mafia factions, like he said earlier in the thread, he was not planning on having his identity revealed until day3 or 4.

That's not an explanation. Regardless of when he expected to claim, he still speculated on an aspect of the setup which he should have KNOWN.

-The banter, ill admit was not my best choice of words. Ok. Ditto's references to you from my PoV were unnerving. Ditto mentioned you when not active and made reasons for your absence. You had put your name down to play this game and encouraged other players to join too. People were excited to be playing with you and wondering where you were. And these excuses Ditto made for you to me were a connection. I was at the time unaware ye knew each other irl and so included my opinion on my original reading. It may help for future reference if you include a list of the people you do know in case they happen to flip scum. Just a thoguht.

I'll say this again, because it appears you still aren't really taking in what i'm saying.

The occassions when Ditto mentioned me, where when I WASN'T IN THE GAME.

I was NOT in the game when Ditto excused my absence. She mentioned my lack of presence here, because i was NOT IN THE GAME.

Ditto only made 1 post about me while i was actually playing. She made several beforehand. If you were looking objectively, that should say it all.

But, you seem to think i am scummy for buddying from Ditto when i wasnt in the game, so once again, i'll reiterate.

I WAS NOT IN THE GAME. I DID NOT HAVE A ROLE. MY NAME WAS NOT ON THE OP. I COULD NOT POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN SCUM WITH DITTO.

Also, "unnerving" is a ridiculous choice of word. I dont think anyone playing mafia genuinely gets "unnerved" by what they see in thread. Unless it's in GD. lol

You are clearly scum right now.

Further, you are now as guilty as Hewitt was, of trying to push a weak case on me, based on Ditto's flip. The only difference is, Hewitt had the kahunas to be the first one to say it. You are simply hiding behind his coat-tails

I had the same concerns as Hewitt on reflection although he DID voice them first as i will admit i was not paying attention to the game. It is that Ditto DID address you, and the fact that Haylen part of Ditto did this means that we have the entitlement to ask if there could have been anything behind it. Which there may have been. I am NOT putting a case against you unless we are both alive tomorrow in which case i will then look back and evaluate the events of today and yesterday.

That's a threat right? So, if say, you werent lynched today, and i wasnt killed tonight, you'd have me lynched tomorrow, based on a potential connection between Haylen and I. ffs...

-In chosing to believe Hewitts claim. (The idea of 2mafia and a SK is just crazy.) Im believing he is innocent and thus i cannot truthfully say that he purposely made up evidence against you because that makes no sense. On top of this, i do not know Hewitts alignment or yours so i must instead entertain the idea you are both innocents if only for today. Although realistically his claim is more believable than yours is it not?

Daaamn, whats with all the rhetorical questions?

He might have genuinely believed the suggestions he made about Ditto and I, but i doubt another townie could make the same mistake. I'd be insulting you if i suggested you were town right now.

I dont see why his claim is more believable than mine, as you put it. Mine makes no sense coming from scum. His is the only claim he could possibly have made. Much as my gut is leaning town on him right now, just based on everyone's attitudes, i feel that logically, the odds are more in favour of him being scum. And whats more, he is not scum with you.

-Solid Evidence is in reference to what happened in the past. Ditto's interaction... unrequited interaction with... NO WAIT! to you. Solid Evidence meaning Ditto's unrequited interaction to you. Appeased with my new choice of words? Its as good as i can do. I like to sound intellectual loike.

*facepalm*

You still believe there is a case on me? In a separate post, i want you to outline it clearly.

-I believed Hewitt had a possiblity of being scum until a) tubby pursued him heavily and he surmassed votes from you, RL and Tubby in what i found a short time. b) his unCC'd claim of Vigilante. and c) some of the good points i feel he has made and the discussion he has raised albeit unorthodoxly.

How does your opinion of Hewitt change in light of Tubby flipping town? How would it change if i also flipped town? And if Hewitt is town, presumably you think Random is scum? How has your opinion of Hewitt changed, in light of the discovery that his points against me were ABYSMAL?

***-I addressed the Tubby is pre this rebuttal. I feel no need to re open it again unless you want me modkilled. Which, if i may add is anti town. Why not have me replaced? Which i will admit i will request if you insult me again.

There's no merit to having you replace. But having you modkilled is very much in the interest of the town right now-regardless of your affiliation.

In regard to buddying. It wasnt intentional. But i believe he is vig. So sue me. To me its logic thats led me to the conclusion. Would you like me to explain further? But simply i will not question Hewitt's claim unless there is reason to. ie. a counter claim.

Your logic thus far has been questionnable- i'm not particularly reassured. But i'd rather lynch you than sue you. Is that ok?

And this which addresses everything else

why would we want to go straight into Night? :S

Id like to give my weight on this. Consider it BM. We've lost a pro town power role. Instead of potentially lynching wrong again and lynching another innocent, dwindling our numbers further.

Rofl! Right, so you think we should No-Lynch then? I'm speechless at how obvious you are.

Confirm Vote: Snow White

BM

[Battle Mage]

I meant that as in before BM had voted me, Dramonic. He had previously voted for you.

And i was wondering why. I dont think you've done anything scummy to date.

It was simply a note in the progression i made while reading. Yes, I am aware BM is currently voting me. But he used his vote in our last game together (my only game with him) to apply pressure for the main part, particularly toward my then mason.

Im inclined to believe he is doing similar here. Though i could always be wrong.

Yep, you're wrong. My vote on you is not for pressure. I'm about 97% sure you are scum. I'd see you hang right here, right now.

Drawing attention to the italics, which is once again, buddying. A very sweeping statement dont you think? I'm pretty sure Dramonic must have let off SOME tells, regardless of affiliation. But, it wouldnt be convenient to upset too many people now, would it?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I jsut find it pretty stupid that he would claim townie doctor when we now see that one doctor has died. Maybe BM isn't that stupid that he would claim such role without reason.. or..

What else do you want me to claim?? It's MY ROLE. Or are you seriously suggesting you'd rather i lied?

BM

[Battle Mage]

-No. I get that. What im saying that with Ditto's combined comments with your peculiar claim people have the right to raise questions over you.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.

You

cannot

produce any sort of case on me based on Ditto's comments. I've said this time and time again, but you can't seem to backtrack far enough for me to really be content with you.

It's the fact you keep mentioning this, that drew my attention to you, and makes up a large part of the case, you claim i haven't provided. The rest of the case can be found in the manner you post, and the phrasing you use. It's not down to me to write that out in full. Anyone reading my posts will have picked up the tells as and when i've found them.

The truth is, you're so obviously scum at this point, it isn't even worth my time trying to persuade people. Your posts speak for themselves.

Now, aside from the Ditto thing, you think my claim is scummy? Well, i guess thats your opinion, but again, a case on this won't fly, because my claim, however wierd, makes no sense as scum.

Are you ready to acknowledge i am likely town yet?

-GD? Nah, not unless your a

seriously paranoid person like me

do people get unnerved.

Protesting too much => AtoE.

I will say this much. For a newbie, you play a very good part. Dropping all the little hints, with the mindset that you are town, might actually work in most cases. But, it becomes a problem when someone looks at you in depth, and suddenly, it all comes to light.

-oK you believe me scum. Fine. Its either something people believe or dont believe im fed up of this pointless arguement with you

That's mafia, baby! Wtf were you expecting? xD

-Based on your actions yesterday and today

if we're alive tomorrow

, i would consider making a case on you depending on who else was NK'd.

You would be well advised to take this back now. Note again, the italics, which assumes you are town.

-Believe what you want. I found it suspicious. There is nothing more i can say

if im guilty of anything its of voicing what i think

.

I dont have a particular problem with you being wrong. Amazing as it may sound, i make tons of mistakes in mafia games. Hell, i even screw up as a Mod on occassion.

It only becomes an issue when you don't ADMIT you were wrong. Or worse still, you admit you were wrong, but then continue to act as if you were right. The Ditto stuff was utter bs, and everyone here knows it.

Again, note italics. Subtly undermining the case on yourself. In court, i think it's called Dissuasion, or something?

-You making no sense claiming doc as scum is one big greasy bowl of WIFOM. But ill admit. Im more tempted to believe you if you are NK'd.

Erm, you forget that, if i'm NKed, you'll know one way or the other. Lol

-He(hewitt) is not scum with me? Why?

Because you're buddying the bejesus out of him. There's no incentive for you to kiss his butt so much if you're on a team with him.

-I am not contributing to a potential lynch of a potential Doctor unless i feel i need to. If you are alive tomorrow, i may.

Again, leaving yourself open to wagon me tomorrow. NOT BUYING IT!

But i do not want to focus on you alone for today and get into a whirlwind of BattleMage vs. Snow White.

That's where i have to disagree. If it wasnt for the fact that it always ends badly, i'd gladly offer a deal right now. I'll give my life today, on the grounds that you are lynched tomorrow. Or vice versa.

You aren't my only suspect ofc, but i won't be happy if you survive the day, because i'm so confident you are scum.

Ofc, i could be wrong. Again, wouldn't be the first time. But, mafia is a game of gut, and every ounce of my gut tells me you are scum. What else is a guy to do?

-If you flipped town, I dont see how it would affect my perception of Hewitt tbh.

Well, you said you felt he was town largely because he was being opportunistically attacked at the start of day, by Tubby, Random and myself. Tubby was town. Assuming i am town, and hell, even Random is town, maybe you would see that the wagon was NOT some scum-driven conspiracy. You're the paranoid one, after all!

-I like Random's posts today. Im rather on the fence with him atm. I may iso him later.

What exactly is there to "like"? He has defended Hewitt. That's about it.

I think you should iso him soon.

-Your talking about having me modkilled for the fun of it? How is that in the interest of the town?

Because, with a bit of luck, one of us is getting lynched today. If you're scum, you getting modkilled means we STILL get to lynch someone, and somewhat makes up for the Tubby thing. Which is in the interest of the town.

If you are town, i'm off on a wild goose chase, and believe me, there is nothing you can say to change my mind, nor will i ever stop pushing it, as long as i live. If you are town, we potentially end up with 2 mislynches, and maybe even LyLo? But, if you are modkilled, we get the extra lynch, and i can start looking at other people, before my inevitable death.

So, you getting modkilled is definitely in the interest of the town. But, it's not very good gamesmanship, and almost certainly won't happen.

-I like day1 no lynches. Not day2 no lynches but when we've lost a town, we've lost a town. I dont like the chance of potentially hitting another town today.

I dont believe you. I dont remember you voting NL on Day 1. Link?

Ive yet to see you put a case on me however BM.

That old chestnut! xD

Pretty sure i've used that line as scum before as well. Kudos to you-this is textbook stuff.

I dont write off people as town or scum before i think i have an inclining to their alignment. I havent took a good look at Dramonic therefore im polite and assume their innocent until i change my mind or see something questionable.

really? Because, earlier in this monstro-post, where you rather unhelpfully chose not to use quotes, you said you were paranoid. Paranoid players tend to assume guilty, until proven innocent.

Get your story straight pl0x.

So if you can afford me your 3% doubt of my guilt, who else bar me do you find suspicious? Why?

I'll look into that in a bit. But, dont be under any illusions. My vote is not going anywhere today, and i'm gonna keep whinging until one of us hangs.

Much love,

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wouldn't it be more viable to lynch the uncertainties and leave the obv-scum to the vig?

no offence to Hewitt, but regardless of affiliation, i don't trust his aim.

Plus Snow White is a sly one.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@ Dramonic. Have you read the case against me? What do you think?

This is protown. Yep, i'm shocked too.

@BattleMage.

you can't seem to backtrack far enough for me to really be content with you.

This is the final time i will state this. I agreed with something i noticed while reading up on the game(in accordance with Hewitt. Its not ass kissing its being observant).

I was unaware that you and Haylen/Ditto were friends in real life

.

THIS. IS. IRRELEVANT!!!!

As far as Hewitt goes, you may well have agreed with him at the time. But, knowing now that he was wrong, do you think it's likely that two townies both made the same scummy error?

Combined with the fact you hammered Blood Covenent when frankly there was no need immediate to i found you scummy at the time.

*shrug* I thought i had a meta on him, and i was wrong. You havent mentioned this till now though. Why is that?

This was my original point and you, RandomLunatic and Tubby's "interrogation" of Hewitt i found increasingly so. I stopped finding Tubby scummy after his claim and upon his flipping. Consequently. I believe Hewitts claim because Tubby seen someone shoot Ditto.

This is inconsistent. You believed Hewitt was town, and Tubby was scum, who somehow correctly guessed who the Vig targetted? If Tubby had been scum, you can bet your backside that Hewitt was too.

The truth is, you're so obviously scum at this point, it isn't even worth my time trying to persuade people. Your posts speak for themselves.

I welcome any cop we may have or lie dectoror to investigate me tonight if they themselves find me questionable. I am town.

Or godfather perhaps? Not buying it. Besides, this is irrelevant, because you aren't surviving to tonight.

my claim, however wierd, makes no sense as scum.

WIFOM. You could live tonight as scum and then saytomorrow "oh scum are using me as a ploy, leaving me alive so you'll lynch me" I made it to the lylo in my newbie using that excuse. I was genuinely town though but if i were scum it still would have been a valid excuse.

Nope, i've said i'm happy to be strung up tomorrow if i'm not killed tonight. Of course, when you hang today, everyone will have to decide whether they think i bussed you or not. And if scum dont kill me, they have to feel confident that they can outguess me.

Ya feelin lucky, punks? xD

And, ftr, the extract you quoted was not WIFOM, in any way, shape, or form. It was logic, which you really need to work out for yourself.

I have acknowledged that you have a higher likely hood of being town but i have no confirmation obviously till your death. And im not eager for that. Although i could push for it. I wont though because if you are a doctor, you serve a purpose at least for tonight.

Lol, i dont like all the subtle threats. I'd rather you stepped up the plate and voiced your suspicion of me, if you really felt i was scum. I really hate the snidey snidey approach. Openness is protown, and so is putting your money where your mouth is. Full of cliches tonight!

For a newbie, you play a very good part. Dropping all the little hints, with the mindset that you are town, might actually work in most cases. But, it becomes a problem when someone looks at you in depth, and suddenly, it all comes to light.

Hm. That might be because i am

actually

town. Either way, I believe Dramonic said he was taking a close look at me so he will either mirror your views and you can both mount a large campaign against me or he will see what there really is. Nothing. And you will let this go. And you will stay alive today and anyone who pushes for your lynch, I and many others im sure will push for their lynch if they are alive tomorrow.

Haha, you know me! When i think i've got a scumbag in my clutches, i rarely let go.

Lmao, i love the last bit. Earlier you implied you could push for my lynch, and now you're going to attack others who do the same. Wanna call the scumtell on yourself? lol

[quote="Snow White] -Based on your actions yesterday and today if we're alive tomorrow, i would consider making a case on you depending on who else was NK'd.

You would be well advised to take this back now.

I dont see why i should. This is how i feel and i will be honest about it. Here's where my paranoia lies and if people feel the same then it should be considered. It may not even be undertaken but it is something up for discussion imho. [/quote]

You see why this is scummy from my perspective? Moreover, you see why anyone who believes i am town, should also want you lynched today?

Truth is, you've played in such a way that 1 of us MUST be lynched today. I dont think that's what you wanted, but it's the result of your actions. *scolds* xD

For what its worth i thought you were quite an entertaining mod in the Bastard mod love fest i believe. Though you can write this off as buddying too i guess.

Thanks. What does this have to do with anything?

-Dissuasion? Ugh... I done a module in legal last year i should be able to remember that. And im too braindead for google atm. XP

*insert pun about using Linux*

-You making no sense claiming doc as scum is one big greasy bowl of WIFOM. But ill admit. Im more tempted to believe you if you are NK'd.

Erm, you forget that, if i'm NKed, you'll know one way or the other. Lol

lol. that was my point. Im still gonna be skeptical of you if we're alive tomorrow. lol.

See? it'll be far easier if you're lynched today.

Because you're buddying the bejesus out of him. There's no incentive for you to kiss his butt so much if you're on a team with him.

The idea that Hewitt is scum is laughable now imho. Where'd i do this deed? Deciding he was innocent? Siding with him while reading your gang bang on him?

The gang-bang argument became null when Tubby flipped town, and you declared that you felt i was town too. Your vote is not on Randomlunatic, which is where it MUST BE, if you expect me to take comments like the above seriously.

But i do not want to focus on you alone for today and get into a whirlwind of BattleMage vs. Snow White.

That's where i have to disagree. If it wasnt for the fact that it always ends badly, i'd gladly offer a deal right now. I'll give my life today, on the grounds that you are lynched tomorrow. Or vice versa.

Well then vice versa, if town find me as scummy as you currently do then i will be dead. You are currently wrong BM, i dont think anything but my death will satisfy you. Im not too eager to sate you yet but if town finds me as scummy as you do then you shall find out whether it through my claim or my death.

through your claim?

If you flipped town, I dont see how it would affect my perception of Hewitt

Well, you said you felt he was town largely because he was being opportunistically attacked at the start of day, by Tubby, Random and myself. Tubby was town. Assuming i am town, and hell, even Random is town, maybe you would see that the wagon was NOT some scum-driven conspiracy. You're the paranoid one, after all!

What can you not understand about my believing Hewitt's claim? How do you know Random is town?

The question i asked, was something along the lines of "Would your opinion of Hewitt change if Random flipped town?" It's an assumption made by the question.

Im not implying anything here either before you start. He could be, he may not be. Yes im paranoid. But i see Hewitt's claim as basically certified. I dont see myself being wrong on that and again, ive outline why, above. You have claimed 2nd doctor to a dead doctor. Im right, in my mind, to be wary.

You're being ridiculous. I'm actually losing the will to argue with you anymore- we aren't getting anywhere.

I like Random's posts today. Im rather on the fence with him atm. I may iso him later.

What exactly is there to "like"? He has defended Hewitt. That's about it.

I think you should iso him soon.

He showed some sense and i liked it.

Where? I'd like quotes please.

If you are town, i'm off on a wild goose chase, and believe me, there is nothing you can say to change my mind, nor will i ever stop pushing it, as long as i live. If you are town, we potentially end up with 2 mislynches, and maybe even LyLo?

But, if you are modkilled, we get the extra lynch, and i can start looking at other people,

before my inevitable death.

Are you trying to say if i dont try to modkill myself that im anti town? If that was the case then every player you suppose every player you focus your Super Omega of Doom Tunnelling of would kill themselves just to appease their innocence? O.o No game, i dont like suicides either ftr. I joined this game to play the game and its possible that my death too would turn on you.

Yeh, that's pretty much what i'm saying. But, i know thats not very sportsmanlike, so i'm not encouraging it.

Please explain the last sentence.

[quote="Snow] Ive yet to see you put a case on me however BM.

That old chestnut! xD

Pretty sure i've used that line as scum before as well. Kudos to you-this is textbook stuff.

I use it for both town and scum. lol. You require more links BM? So if your going to try to get points for my phrases, you have something better than that i would hope.[/quote]

Oh go on then! More links.

So if you can afford me your 3% doubt of my guilt, who else bar me do you find suspicious? Why?

I'll look into that in a bit. But, dont be under any illusions. My vote is not going anywhere today, and i'm gonna keep whinging until one of us hangs.

I know your vote will go no where regardless. But i will be hung before you and i will favor that.

You'd rather die today than me?

@Battle Mage/Hewitt/Dramonic. Im sure Hewitt will shoot who he feels is worth shooting. If its me, ce sera. I can always go "YOU SHOT ME!!" in my bah post.

[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

Who would you like to see him shoot?

BM

[Battle Mage]

X

- I know the activity is appalling, and i too am getting irate with people whinging about it, with comments like "I'm waiting for the lurkers to participate". I havent seen satisfactory participation by more than 3/4 players in this game.

Hulk needs to be replaced, please. If you want help finding someone, give me a shout. Also, posting 5 vote counts a page is not helpful- it just makes the game seem longer than it actually is.

X:

Hulk will be treated the same as the other 3 people who have been prodded in the past 48 hours and have yet to post in thread. As for the extra vote counts, sorry, I just like preserving my style of having every mod post be a vote count with new information tagged on at the end.

I'm going to try and reread tonight, because i doubt ill have time in the next couple of days.

BM

[Battle Mage]

While I must definitely say BM's case on SW is stronger than SW's defense, I don't think lynching her is viable. She's one of the only participating member in the game (kinda sad really)

If she's town, good to have her alive, if she's scum, we have until day like, 5 or something to lynch her. We should focus on getting rid of the lurkers first.

ugh, you're right. And something about her appeal to emotion rings as true...

What i dont understand is- if she is town, why hasnt scum piled on?

Unvote

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, if I may bring something new to the table:

Has the possibility of a SK, a vig and a single mafia faction been explored, or do we have a serious reason to believe its 2 scum factions + 1 vig/SK?

I dont think it was ever written in stone that theres 2 factions + 1 of either vig/sk. I think either of what you're suggesting is plausible.

It's possible, but it'd be a bit bastardly. The flavour implies 2 mafia groups.

BM

[Battle Mage]

If you are town, i'm off on a wild goose chase, and believe me, there is nothing you can say to change my mind, nor will i ever stop pushing it, as long as i live. If you are town, we potentially end up with 2 mislynches, and maybe even LyLo?

I did not notice this until now but that is a completely, irresponsibly anti-town attitude right there. That's totally ridiculous. Your judgment is biased and irrational and you've completely debased everything you've said because you just proved you are not thinking. That's pretty crappy.

I don't see the need to dignify this with a response. You need to calm down before you talk to me again. Failing that- at least read the thread before jumping to conclusions.

What i dont understand is- if she is town, why hasnt scum piled on?

Perhaps because they already have.

I'm the only scumbag left? Damn, i thought i had buddies!

Who do you suspect, paco?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: Orangepenguin

My LoS is done, he's 3rd on it, and theres already a vote on him. Lovely.

My top 2 arent really a surprise either, folks.

BM

[Battle Mage]

apparently, the plan is to bring every single newb on site, for them to run me up... -.-

Fan-tastic!

You cant really argue with the Sens-factor.

I'll post my LoS later. At the moment, there really isn't any point.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Why don't we random lynch until only the active players remain alive? It's too time consuming to wait/expect for people to respond.

I see your point, but it's a very sad state of affairs when we're forced to do that.

My thinking is that we need to lynch someone inactive today. Not randomly, but somebody who hasnt contributed much, and what they have contributed, is scummy.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ill reply to Battle Mage tomorrow when i have plenty of time. (never forger those triffles)

@Battle Mage. (can of worms) Why are you voting Orange Penguin? To get him to participate? Im sorry i looked up LoS but couldnt find it in the wiki.

My god, SW! I'm not using my vote as a prod at this stage! What kind of time-waster do you take me for?? 0.o

I'm voting Orangepenguin because he needs to be lynched.

LoS stands for List of Suspects i think, altho i prefer "League of Suspicion".

@Dramonic.

While I must definitely say BM's case on SW is stronger than SW's defense, I don't think lynching her is viable. She's one of the only participating member in the game (kinda sad really)

We have a claimed Doc. I will not push anything that may result in his lynch. Therefore, im at loath to admit my defence is not what it could be.

Liar. In your last post, you threatened to change stance completely and attack me.

@Battle Mage. Lol. you dont think scum lurk? But i agree with having everyone air who they suspect. I dont think its good to focus on one person. No jibe meant here.

I have no idea what the first point is in response to.

Anyway, get your vote off Qwints now. There's no way in hell we're lynching him today.

@BM you suspect me, Orange Penguin. But who is your 3rd of 3 suspects?

Orangepenguin. But i feel happier lynching him today, because my two higher suspects are at least AROUND.

@CooLDoG. Welcome to the game. Glad to have you here. Have you read the whole thread or would you prefer for everyone to give their own analysis's?

He clearly has NOT read the whole thread.

Again, ill reply to BM's wall post tomorrow.

I wouldnt bother tbh. Only Dramonic is reading it, and i dont see the point us discussing each other anymore today, when we're pretty much forced to lynch a lurker anyway.

If we're still alive tomorrow, you can reply then.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@Cooldog- In no way was BM under pressure. I think he claimed because he didn't want Hewitt to Vig him tonight but I have been unable to read BM's actions thus far.

I would vote for either Qwints or OP but I don't want to lynch for inactivity... it just isn't my style.

I'm not voting OP for inactivity. The reason i'm voting him, in order of importance, are:

1. He distanced admirably from the BC mislynch, in such a way that suggests he knew it would buy him some towncred.
2. He let slip knowledge about 2 mafia groups, in one of his first posts.
3. He has lurked chronically, and not done a single thing that rings as protown.

And yes, you're right about my reason for claiming.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I suppose... I just go with the flow and lurk right in front of you, if that is what you want to believe.

I suppose if I had to define my play style, it would be more like a lure and wait tactic. I keep in the game but wait for a slip to jump on. So far, no one posts enough for me to catch anything.

You should read back then. There's plenty of slips that have already occurred.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm not voting OP for inactivity. The reason i'm voting him, in order of importance, are:

1. He distanced admirably from the BC mislynch, in such a way that suggests he knew it would buy him some towncred.
2. He let slip knowledge about 2 mafia groups, in one of his first posts.
3. He has lurked chronically, and not done a single thing that rings as protown.


BM

1. This could work both ways though with him being town and trying to stop a mislynch.

Don't argue with me when you haven't read his posts. I think if he was trying to stop a mislynch, he'd have TRIED a little harder, dont you?

2. I missed that...
3. Yes he has lurked far to much and is not imputing much to the game but I have a question. If he was to get replaced, would you still vote for the replacement, supposing the replacement participated more then what OP is doing.

Yes. Because OP lurking is scummy. The only thing scummier, would be for him to miraculously appear now and start posting.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Second off, I can't resist saying this: BM > Bm because BM has two capitals in his name.

thats a point for me. Current scores? xD

I like this Ray guy already.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I like Ray's LoS. Here is my own, before we have a hammer:

In order from Most Scummy to Most Protown. Questions will likely be met with disdain.

Snow White

- Probably Scum - I've discussed this enough. Nothing more really needs to be said. She will need lynching at some point. Not scum with DN or Dramonic.

DeathNote

- Probably Scum - Iso post 6 is well worth a read, as it is utter bs. BUT, i dont see him as scum with Snow White. Or Dramonic. In fact, isoing him is good. There's alot of trashy scumminess there!

Orangepenguin

- Probably Scum - Early on, slips knowledge of multiple mafia groups? Distancing from the BC wagon rubs off as very scummy. Has lurked ever since.

Black Jinx

- Leaning Scum - Scummy vibes from his play, and has pretty much lurked throughout.

Dramonic

- Neutral - Bits of play kinda read "informed minority". He seemed to know BC would flip town, in his comments to Konowa. Didnt want to vote for Hewitt or I at the start of today. Not scum with Snow White or DN. He's actually playing, which is more than i can say for most.

Benmage

- Neutral - His general play seems town, and i like the points post, where he doesnt have anything to gain unless i flip scum. But, his continued references to a Mafia RB, really rub me up the wrong way.

Kise

- Neutral - Has participated ok, but nothing really stand out either way. Normally he looks scummy to me, but not the case here. I dont see his softclaim.

Diamondillium

- Neutral - Hasnt really done anything. Volume didnt seem too worried, as i'd expect scum to be.

Qwints

- Leaning Protown - Early posts on Day 1 feel very town, but his responses to my claim havent been brilliant. He's not lynchable in the near future, but should be watched nonetheless.

Randomlunatic

- Fairly Protown - He's not been the most helpful guy in the world. But, my meta of him says he's leaning more towards being town than scum.

Knight of Cydonia

- Fairly protown - Magichands had a very very protown stance early on, but could be an act. Someone could meta him. Nothing from either replacement as of yet.

Slicey

- Fairly Protown - Konowa was very protown. His confidence in deathnote scum has not gone unnoticed by me. He's effectively Mod-confirmed town. He should contribute more though.

Hewitt

- Likely Protown - Believing the claim atm.

Rayfrost

- Likely Protown - Got a really strong townvibe from Confidanon's posts. Can't really explain it, but i don't see him flipping scum.

If we lynch OP today, and i'm killed tonight, tomorrow, you must lynch either Snow White or DeathNote. I doubt they are paired together, but given 2 scumgroups, they could still both be scum.

It's been fun.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Yes. Because OP lurking is scummy. The only thing scummier, would be for him to miraculously appear now and start posting.

Wow. Talk about damned if you do, damned if you dont.

Well, he shouldnt have lurked in the first place, should he? I'm not a very forgiving chap.

BM

[Battle Mage]

OP is at L-2, btw (not like he's going to claim when he gets to l-1, but...)

HAMMAH TIME!

===================[[[[]]]]]

BM OP

[Battle Mage]

bah, OP was meant to be under the hammer. -.-

0.4 points to Ben. lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

well, we can't monitor the kills anymore. Directing the kill would allow whatever mafia is in the game to abuse potential PRs (stuff like mafia doc, mafia BD, mafia roleblocker)

yeh i agree. It's not like we can really take Hewitt at face value anyway. We've really just gotta live in hope.

Ray's point is good, but only works if Hewitt is scum, and somehow, we can ensure that his comrades dont manipulate proceedings in thread. It's alot of contingencies required to fit into place.

Personally, id rather let Hewitt take a shot in the dark, and not tell the mafia who they DONT need to kill.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Your hammer has a weird shape.

That's what she said... :'(

BM

[Battle Mage]

well, we can't monitor the kills anymore. Directing the kill would allow whatever mafia is in the game to abuse potential PRs (stuff like mafia doc, mafia BD, mafia roleblocker)

Alright well it kinda sucks having to believe hewitt. I guess a counterclaim if possible wouldn't be the worst idea, because 1 scum for 1 townie doesn't seem to bad.

Or since scum have to kill battle tonight assuming he's telling the truth. scum/the real vig will kill hewitt in 2 nights. Basically I'm willing to let hewitt slide till than without re-scrutinizing him.

I dont think scum HAVE to kill me tonight, unless they feel that i am the most protown player in the game, or they cant outguess who i might protect. Tbh, if i was Mafia, i doubt i'd kill me.

I wanna go to night now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

well, we can't monitor the kills anymore. Directing the kill would allow whatever mafia is in the game to abuse potential PRs (stuff like mafia doc, mafia BD, mafia roleblocker)

Alright well it kinda sucks having to believe hewitt. I guess a counterclaim if possible wouldn't be the worst idea, because 1 scum for 1 townie doesn't seem to bad.

Or since scum have to kill battle tonight assuming he's telling the truth. scum/the real vig will kill hewitt in 2 nights. Basically I'm willing to let hewitt slide till than without re-scrutinizing him.

The problem I have with the idea of the vig CC: what if there are two vigs?

I actually took that speculation into account in my analysis. I'm rather new, so if that would be an unbalanced thing, then ._." nevermind. otherwise, it seems like a valid point, imo.

Actually, i didnt think of this, but you're right. My only reservation is that, 2 Docs, 2 Vigs and a Watcher, is unbalanced, IF they gave each other the benefit of the doubt. Plus, i think that wanders further into the realms of bastard mod.

Also, even without two vigs, if the real vig does CC, that'll mean the vig gets only one kill before getting sent to their death, which kills the purpose of the power role.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the real vig (Assuming one vig) shouldn't CC (Assuming hewitt isn't the real one). Also, if there are two, a CC won't really help and will end up with two mislynches of vigs.

What prompted these questions, again? Hmm, i need to check whether my role protects against multiple kill attempts.

BM

[Battle Mage]

well, we can't monitor the kills anymore. Directing the kill would allow whatever mafia is in the game to abuse potential PRs (stuff like mafia doc, mafia BD, mafia roleblocker)

Alright well it kinda sucks having to believe hewitt. I guess a counterclaim if possible wouldn't be the worst idea, because 1 scum for 1 townie doesn't seem to bad.

Or since scum have to kill battle tonight assuming he's telling the truth. scum/the real vig will kill hewitt in 2 nights. Basically I'm willing to let hewitt slide till than without re-scrutinizing him.

I dont think scum HAVE to kill me tonight, unless they feel that i am the most protown player in the game, or they cant outguess who i might protect. Tbh, if i was Mafia, i doubt i'd kill me.

I wanna go to night now.

BM

Why risk trying to out guess you and not kill you?

Well, the odds are very slim of me protecting the player they kill. And i've already said i'm going to protect Hewitt. So, statistically, there's about a 1/16 chance that if they kill someone else, i will stop the kill. Which makes me kinda useless. Conversely, there's a chance i can self-protect. In which case, a kill attempt on me will fail anyway.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well, the odds are very slim of me protecting the player they kill. And i've already said i'm going to protect Hewitt. So, statistically, there's about a 1/16 chance that if they kill someone else, i will stop the kill. Which makes me kinda useless. Conversely, there's a chance i can self-protect. In which case, a kill attempt on me will fail anyway.

BM

touche sir.

You can have .2 or that.

Lol, i know! I've even got myself convinced! Haha

BM

[Battle Mage]

DeathNote - I think i answered your question 3 already. What was unclear about my response? :S

I've said my piece regarding point 1, but i will say again, don't argue with me. Because, the fact is, if OP manages to get off the hook, it's you who will be next on the podium.

OP is a perfectly decent player. Which is why his lurking is scummier than the lurking of others. And why i feel he would distance from a mislynch. It's textbook scum play.

Why are you so intent on defending him, when your vote is on him?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Slicey and Snow White are both here, but not hammering. Why is this?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Your response to my question seemed more directed towards OP rejoining the game by posting more. What I wanted to know is that if he was replaced, would you still consider his replacement scummy and worth a vote?

I am simply playing devils advocate and telling me to not to argue with you is pointless. I realize this could set me up in the future so long as people follow you, but I am not particularly worried. I am confident in voting for him due to his scummy/inactive play, I just want to better understand YOUR intentions.

Yes. Because OP lurking is scummy.

I don't really know what else you expect me to say.

What makes you think i'll survive the night?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wait a minute! Why the hell are we voting off Orange Penguin? I fail to see anything but a mix up of Mafia names is scummy on his behalf.

feigned emotion. Given your above post, i dont see how anyone can take this seriously.

Tell me, what is your experience with OP? Have you got a meta on him?

Battle Mage

League of Suspicion is better imo. Provides a laugh and yes i am aware im on it.

gdgd.

Yes. I threatened to attack you. You have previously acted anti town but i am not airing these or pushing them because you have claimed doctor. There is nothing to gain by pushing a claimed doctor.

So you feel i am scum, but you arent pushing me, because you know i wont be lynched?

Ill

unvote Qwints

for now. But my vote wont be on OP until i see something worth voting him for and he has the time to defend himself.

foolish. How do you ever expect us to get a lynch by deadline with play like this?

Fine. I figured as much. (no one reading my posts) But if there is anything else you would like to ask. Fire. And not in the gunshot way.

Claim: Secret Vig

lol

Hewitt

Ploys... well they help to gain views on people. No? Overall i think people percieve ou concretely town. Could be just me though.

^Buddying scum.

I lold at the Bm>BM. I was tired lol. But sorry for any confusion.

That's not actually what was said.

Im fed up with the Ditto thing. I didnt know at the time they were rl friends

*facepalm*

THIS IS IRRELEVANT

nor that 2posts were invalid. It was how i felt at the time and there is nothing else there i can say.

Finally!

I do however have a case on BM. But im not laying it out after he's claimed doctor. I am not contributing to the lynch of someone who has a higher chance of being pro town than most being alive today. If me you and BM are still alive tomorrow i will consider writing up the case. But today, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to vote BM.

Nah, write the case now please. I'd like the chance to mull it over, and ofc, if i die tonight, you'll have the pleasure of explaining yourself tomorrow. So yes, i'd like you to post it now.

BM i dont think you did answer Death Note's question of if there was a replacement for OP would you give the replacement a chance.

I've answered twice. But, for a 3rd time:

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I honestly dont know how i can make myself any clearer to you.

BM

[Battle Mage]

No he answered it... I just misread. Once he broke up his sentence, it makes more sense to me. :/

see why she is obvscum?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Im happier voting Qwints. But if it is requisite of me yes then i will contribute to a hammer or L-1. Im not leaping in and hammering him when by the looks of it your all wanting a lynch. OP deserves a right to defend himself as any other player would.

In terms of a policy, you are only encouraging lurking. Not just here, but everywhere. At least by appearing zero tolerance, my way will remove lurking as a scum tactic.

No i am not pushing you because you've claimed doctor. And if you are telling the truth there is little harm in keeping you alive for another day.

Do you really think 1 day will make a difference? I'm not so sure it will anymore...

Lol. No. I am not the secret Vig.

I jokingly said that I was the Secret Vig. Not you. Why on earth would i offer you a get-out card at this point? You wish!

I recalled BM>Bm/Bm>BM from memory. How about we just put you and Bm up on an equal pedistal instead? Sound fair? BM=Bm?

You obviously haven't noticed that we have a points system going, to determine who is the superior mage. It's way more fun than your lame-o idea.

No. I will not post a case on you up today BM. Because if it does get you lynched and you are telling the truth then my head will not hang on it. I have stated i do not want you lynched and you will not bait me to compile a case on you that may entice some to vote you.

Ugh, grow up!
I doubt you are so arrogant as to believe a case you could compile on me atm, is enough to get me lynched, when, as you said yourself, a lynch of me today would be a poor play.

I'm confident enough that i'll survive the day, but if i live till tomorrow, i'll have to answer your concerns then, presumably. On the flipside, if you die tonight, you won't be able to post your case. And, much as that might save everyone alot of agro, i'm not going to shy away from a fight.

I'm not asking for you to run me up today. I'm asking for you to post the case which you, apparently, already have in mind. If its clearer, why not add a disclaimer along the lines of "But we arent lynching BM today"?

It seems you have even less faith in the town here than i did earlier. And i'm sorry for what follows, but obviously, the tactful, friendly approach to discussion doesn't work with you. So here is the deal:

You WILL present your case on me now, or you will be

blacklisted

from any games i play or Mod in the future. If you believe i'm town, and that i've got 2 brain cells to rub together, you should trust my judgement. And my judgement says - hit me with your best shot.

Obviously i dont have alot of clout within this game, so i'll exert what muscle i can, outside of the thread. Tbh, i'll go to almost any length to try and breathe some goddamn logic into you! 0.o

X:

This threat goes against Rule 11. Retract your blacklisting statement.

Ooh. Whoops. That is my bad for not reading that and ill happily admit that. Why would you not? Are you not even willing to hear an OP claim?

I dont know what OP could claim that would change anything. Except possibly Vig. But, barring that, a claim would be meaningless. And i dont see any reason to let him live if he is replaced, or otherwise.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ray, please make my day and put us at -1. That way, Snow White can make her case on me, and hammer in the same post.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You WILL present your case on me now, or you will be blacklisted from any games i play or Mod in the future.

0_o
aint that a bit over the top?

on a sidenote, BM>Bm
sorry ben

Thats another 1 point to me. Dramonic is a pretty big fish in this pond.

And no, i'm getting really frustrated with this game at times. It's probably my favourite game atm, because i feel really involved in it. But there's nothing more irritating than when people do not just simply do what i tell them.

There's nothing else i can say. She certainly won't listen to reason, so i have to say something that will emphasise the seriousness of my request.

BM

[Battle Mage]

As it is...

why in a rush to have OP hammered, BM?

I know you are sure that he is scum, but what is wrong with another day or two of town conversation/speculation?

I think further speculation at this point is probably more harmful than good. Moreover, the only conversation i have a pressing interest in, is Snow White giving her case on me.

If she has the ability to drop the hammer, she has no excuse. Can you roll with me on this one, please?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well Snow... care to hammer? Actually anyone please feel free to end this.

@Ray- Yeah another day is nice and all but you need to keep in mind that you just replaced in and havent gone through all the waiting that we have for a spark of posting. I will admit, I am happy so far that you replaced in as you have at least been posting.

Deathnote is OBV scum. I'd say he looks worse if OP flips scum.

Also, surely Ray IS that spark of posting?

I've also decided, i'm protecting one of the following tonight:

Ray
Hewitt
Myself

If scum intend to kill one of those, they have a 2/3 chance of success. If they want to kill anyone else, it's a guaranteed success. The Mod has confirmed that i protect against ALL kill attempts made on that player at night.

Straight up, folks.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Snow White should now post her case and hammer, or simply hammer. If she chooses the latter, i'll be all over her ass tomorrow.

If she chooses neither, we have to wait for Kise or Random or KoC to put us out of our misery.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Snow White should now post her case and hammer, or simply hammer. If she chooses the latter, i'll be all over her ass tomorrow.

If she chooses neither, we have to wait for Kise or Random or KoC to put us out of our misery.

BM

Or the Mod suddenly granting somebody double voting power

Thanks for the compliment on me being the "spark of posting" by the way.

What made you add me to the "defend" list? Surely you don't intend to protect somebody

purely

because they are an active poster?

did you read my LoS? haha. You're my most protown player. Congrats.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I would be worried that BM is accusing me of being scum, again but.... he seems to thing half the game is scummy.

Warning, Warning!

Scumtell alert!

I believe anyone who wishes to iso you, will spot that you made this exact comment earlier on too. It seems like you arent really following the game-just speeling off alot of trash.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Right, sorry, for inactivity, going back to college has kinda taken it out of me. Will commence reading at 4pm. Expect a wall'o'text at the end of that re-read, most likely with an OP hammer from what I've skimmed.

KoC

: We are waiting for Snow White to post, before we have a hammer. You may only hammer AFTER she has posted.

BM

[Battle Mage]

in fact, temp

Unvote

BM

[Battle Mage]

KoC should have a great scum-meta of me.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Grrr....SW!

Unvote, Vote: Orangepenguin

Gdnight folks!

BM

[Battle Mage]

If OP is scum, Kise is 100% confirmed not his buddy.

BM

[Battle Mage]

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Screw it, I WANT SOME OF THIS

Unvote; Vote: Orangepenguin

CO-CO-CO-CO-COOOOMBOOOO!

I retract my previous comment about Kise. Perhaps they could be buddies.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ah, that Dramonic! He's a HOOT!

BM

[Battle Mage]

leap of logic?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Just realized something... Three kills means that Hewitt was not targeted. Not to mention BM is still alive too. Curious... Hewitt can be explained since he was being protected, supposedly, by BM which we mean that targeting him would be useless. But why is BM still alive?

your guess is as good as mine. The long night was horrible-i couldnt bear the suspense haha. But, i'm very glad to still be alive. I'm not claiming who i protected.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I shot Black Jinx because he was really fucking shady and I had a really big gut vibe that he was lurker scum and it turns out I was right lol.

For what it's worth, that's a good choice, and the kills confirm you slightly more as town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ray's claim is absolutely horrible. But i'm really inclined to believe it over Hewitt.

A reread of both is probably necessary. Needless to say, i still believe we have 2 scumgroups, and that one still has all 3 members. I think 1 of Hewitt and Ray is probably scum, for this reason. The 2 Vig argument is very convenient, and frankly, absolute BS.

Vote: Hewitt

We aren't lynching DeathNote today. Anyone voting him will be met with extreme rage from me.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Oh wait! we do have two doctors...or a 2nd claiming doc....hrmmm

@Battle did you protect yourself last night? You don't have to say who if someone else, but just answer that one.(maybe say hewitt if him)

Yes, i protected myself.

BM

[Battle Mage]

for some reason, I have a feeling BM knew I was a vig back when I posted my list.

He said I was his most pro-town read, but I'd not posted very much, so....

Much as i'd love to take credit for this, no. I did not pick up on the Vig crumb.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Huh I was not expecting that. I actually thought you were trying to claim some other role like you saw who shot qwints or something. Just a little thing that the town should keep in mind yeah it's possible that both me and RayFrost are Vig's but we do have two claimed doctors and who knows what else, there could be a SK in the mix.

The only thing that would've made me suspicious of RayFrost's claim is that I was under the assumption that the other two killing factions were separate groups of Mafia, but since there has been no indication of another through the killings I'm going to assume we have a large Mafia group and either two Vig's or a Vig and a SK.

This is ridiculous. At the very least, Hewitt is scum. Which makes me happy, because we did well to out him yesterday.

There's a slim possibility Ray is scum too, just for his attitude today, and not killing Hewitt last night.

Deathnote is probably town, despite his vaguely scummy play.

Amished could be scum too.

I think it's time for the mages to unite. Ben-who shall we lynch today? who shall we definitely not lynch today?

BM

[Battle Mage]

=)

I was waiting for Battle Mage to attempt to jump down my throat, I just didn't think he'd attempt it so poorly. Battle Mage build yourself some cred and actually fabricate a good case on me if you're going to do it at all.

Lol, i dont think any discussion is needed here. Btw, it's really petty to be mean to me just because ive CORRECTLY felt you were scum ever since Day 2. You've been lucky to survive this long tbh-in spite of your play you somehow got away with the claim.

You claimed Vig. Ray claimed Vig. I dont believe we have 2 Vigs. Ray is confirmed town. Therefore Hewitt is the lynch today.

Simple, no?

BM

[Battle Mage]

rofl

Hewitt, the issue is, you WEREN'T telling the truth. You were lying. Which is why you need to be lynched today.

Unless Benmage has a better idea. Mages unite, remember?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hewitt, the issue is, you WEREN'T telling the truth. You were lying. Which is why you need to be lynched today.

The best part is you realize your case sucks and you can't even back it up.

Lol, allow me to rephrase more bluntly.

I'm the Cop. Who do you think i investigated last night?

Confirm Vote: Hewitt

BM

[Battle Mage]

There's a slim possibility Ray is scum too, just for his attitude today, and not killing Hewitt last night.

Deathnote is probably town, despite his vaguely scummy play.

Amished could be scum too.

I think it's time for the mages to unite. Ben-who shall we lynch today? who shall we definitely not lynch today?

BM

I didn't go for hewitt last night

because

you said you might protect him.

I would rather get a confirmed kill than risk not getting one just cuz you happened to protect him. I thus decided to go with the person I felt would be the lynch for today if not NKed, which was qwints.

He turned out scum, so that's great.

Also, why'd you claim cop after claiming doc? =/

Yeh, i worried about that. But you'd have been better off counter-claiming, then we lynch Hewitt yesterday, and i claim i was going to protect either you or me last night.

*shrug*

Qwints would probably not have been the lynch today. I didnt feel he was as scummy as people like Snow White, who hasnt even been mentioned today...

I'm claiming Cop now because i have a guilty, which makes it worth doing. I havent ruled out that you are the Corsican GF, but if we hit another Sicilian, then we probably only have 1 mafia, and you will be pretty much confirmed town (barring some bastardly SK).

Scum will be kicking themselves for not killing me last night. haha

BM

[Battle Mage]

also, how am I confirmed town?

also, happy b-day BM. you get .1 point over Bm for it being your b-day.

My N1 investigation. Also, we now must make a note of Ben's bday, so he doesnt change it to get more points.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ah okay Battle Mage so now apparently I'm the liar when you've just lied to the town pretty majorly.

how did i lie?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ah okay Battle Mage so now apparently I'm the liar when you've just lied to the town pretty majorly.

how did i lie?

BM

claiming cop & doc

Sorry, i'll clarify:

HEWITT:

how did i lie? *snarls*

BM

[Battle Mage]

ofc, i could now be claiming cop to draw a kill tonight, because im actually the Doc, and will protect myself. Although that means im betting my life on Hewitt being scum.

Ray, are you voting Hewitt?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Woah woah WOAH. -1 already? You HAVE to be kidding me! 0.o

Unvote

We aren't done talking.

BM

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ofc, i could now be claiming cop to draw a kill tonight, because im actually the Doc, and will protect myself. Although that means im betting my life on Hewitt being scum.

Ray, are you voting Hewitt?

BM

I am not voting Hewitt.

Is there a good reason to be voting hew over DN?

I'm pretty sure my vote is on DN.

Because there is no logical case on me.

OK see last time this happen, I stepped right up and voted Hewitt and some 20 pages latter, got accused of being scum. Now we have practically the same scenario only we have him as confirmed scum, assuming that BM is not lying to us.

I would believe you BM but... well, you seem so wishy washy switching your claim like that. I need other people to post input before I make a decision.

Hey, if it wasnt for me, you might well have been lynched today. Not that im expecting gratitude, but some recognition would be nice.

Good enough reasoning, Amished.

unvote, vote: Hewitt

Supreme F[ist]oS: DN

Why in God's name was Amished's post the deciding factor behind your vote? I mean, you claimed you would have killed Hewitt last night were it not for me, yet your vote was on DeathNote, who, as it stands, i'm 85% sure is town. That's not certain, but sure enough to think that anyone who attacks him is scummy.

BM

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You are aware, BM, that for your theory that Ray could be Corsican-GF, Hewitt has to be a SK, yes?

That or a miller-vig.

Vote: Hewitt

L-1

This is developping to be the shortest day in the history of large games.

Erm, i did a double-take there, but finally understood what you meant.

I didnt investigate Hewitt last night. But I

DO

have a guilty. Everyone's reactions have been noted.

Regarding Hewitt, i'm not buying the prospect of 2 Vigs for a single second. So, before we even look at other people, like DeathNote and Dramonic and hell, even Snow White, we need to:

1. Lynch my guilty Investigation target.
2. Lynch Hewitt/Ray Frost. Maybe both. Ray's play today has been inexplicably scummy, but then the arrogant side of me says that i was right about Hewitt all along.

Had you guys not run him up to bloody -1 so quickly he might have had time to answer my question, which Ray foolishly piped in with. I think we might have got some genuine AtoE from Hewitt regarding me getting a scum investigation on him. But his stance is still very inconsistent. He bases his analysis of me on the premise that i am "upset about him killing my scumbuddy" but is not voting for me, nor has he been for a very long time...

I'll finish catching up, and put in a little reread before we continue.

BM

---

Also, for clarification, this doesn't clear you :3

Erm, i should point out that i'm as confirmed town as they come.

Let's prove by counter-example.

If i'm scum, i've got away with fake-claiming Doc, and there is no way the town can hold me accountable or disprove my claim.

I then, completely unnecessarily and inexplicably, choose to claim Cop, which is a role that is almost certain to feature in a setup of this nature. With so many people left alive, i leave myself wide open to a potential counter-claim.

But then, perhaps you say that i have Cop as a safeclaim? Well, then why would i have bothered claiming doc in the first place, when it was so difficult to believe, and id have to explain not being killed (i guess this applies to both, but even so)?

I'm bored now. Fact is, i'm pretttttty much confirmed town.

BM

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... What would lead you to think that, Dram? I realize it won't be a case, but why are you going all the way to a role-cop, and to have him be aligned with the corsican's (who we're not even sure are in the game)

Not to mention, my comments on Ray's Vig claim are completely inconsistent with somebody who knew his role. lol

BM

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1. If we have just 1 scumgroup, then Hewitt can't be scum, he killed his GF night 1.

2. Ray and Hewitt can't be of the same aligment, since they both commited a kill during night 2.

Ah, i have a solution to your problem here:

We lynch my guilty investigation result today, and if he flips Corsican, lynch Hewitt tomorrow. If not, you guys can argue the toss between Ray and Hewitt.

BM isn't stupid, he wouldn't add GF WIFOM to the mix if it didn't serve him.

I said it because it could well be the case, and it's something you should watch out for when i'm dead. I dont want to be blamed if we lose at endgame to a guy i said was confirmed town, and he turns up GF.

4. BM has pushed the "Ray is confirmed town" even before he did his actual claim, which makes little sense.

I might have been killed last night. I had a town investigation result. Hence the LoS btw. I never normally do that these days.

BM

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What happens if Hewitt is an SK? Ray being Vig and Hewitt being either SK or oppo alignment scum makes perfect sense.

Also, I don't recall BM putting GF WIFOM into it as a GF was killed, making that role a real possibility.

If BM is wrong about hewitt would open up a lot of eyes to wonder why he's wrong. He's obviously not paranoid. If insane, we'll test it, and anything else (random) we lynch him for lying, if he's not killed by that point.

You'd like that, wouldnt you?

Ben

- Over to you buddy. I'm afraid that, as you might have guessed, my guilty investigation is in fact on...YOU.
Thats - 0.5 when you flip scum, and - 0.5 because you had the opportunity to hammer, and quite possibly give your team a good shot at winning.

Sorry bro.

Vote: Benmage

Needless to say, if he flips Corsican, lynch Hewitt tomorrow.

BM

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If Hewitt is scumgroup B

Ray is either scumgroup A, scumgroup B, vig or SK.

If he's SK, how do you explain the innocent BM got on him? Insanity with GFs is bastardly, like you said.
If he's SG A, how do you explain the kill he did on his buddy?
If he's vig, why the hell did he not CC day 2?
If he's scumgroup B, why did they get 2 kills?


From this ->

It'd be extra-bastardly to have 2 SKs and a named mafia
Rayfrost wouldn't have killed his buddy

So unless Rayfrost can explain very well why he didn't CC day 2, he's Corsican.

The 2 kills thing is flawed. Sicilian mafia was alive last night, and made the kill. I assume we'll only get 2 tonight. If we get 3, then maybe we do have 2 vigs, and more Sicilian scumbag(s)

Dram, what do you think of Hewitt's willingness to accept the Vig counterclaim from Ray?

BM

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[Battle Mage]

BM

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ofc, i could now be claiming cop to draw a kill tonight, because im actually the Doc, and will protect myself. Although that means im betting my life on Hewitt being scum.

Ray, are you voting Hewitt?

BM

I am not voting Hewitt.

Is there a good reason to be voting hew over DN?

I'm pretty sure my vote is on DN.

Because there is no logical case on me.

OK see last time this happen, I stepped right up and voted Hewitt and some 20 pages latter, got accused of being scum. Now we have practically the same scenario only we have him as confirmed scum, assuming that BM is not lying to us.

I would believe you BM but... well, you seem so wishy washy switching your claim like that. I need other people to post input before I make a decision.

Hey, if it wasnt for me, you might well have been lynched today. Not that im expecting gratitude, but some recognition would be nice.

recognized

But really BM... please don't change your mind again on what your role is or who you targeted. :/

Aww, but i LOVE running the show! xD Haha.

Also, you cant deny my way of doing things is very informative. :p

BM

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage if you're bullshitting this claim and you're town with no special roles and you're just fucking with us I'm going to be really upset. Because if Benmage flips town and then you flip town I'm going to be REALLY fucking pissed off.

If that happens, you can get in line. Behind me, and probably Ben.

I'll keep your suggestion in mind for future games.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Had you guys not run him up to bloody -1 so quickly he might have had time to answer my question, which Ray foolishly piped in with. I think we might have got some genuine AtoE from Hewitt regarding me getting a scum investigation on him. But his stance is still very inconsistent. He bases his analysis of me on the premise that i am "upset about him killing my scumbuddy" but is not voting for me, nor has he been for a very long time...

Why would I vote for you? You're a claimed power role, I'm not going to vote to lynch a claimed power role on D3 (even if you're claiming is inconsistent). I'm not stupid enough to not realize that town attacks town so I'm not going to retaliate and try to get you lynched just because you're attacking me, that's silly. I only vote and drive to lynch players who I believe to be scum.

You often claim you believe i am scum. As i said, your stance is very inconsistent. And when you get called inconsistent by ME, you know you're doing something wrong. lmao

BM

[Battle Mage]

FFS BM, that was a poor play and you know it. What do you think would happen with a cop guilty result? Especially in these circumstances, where a scum fakeclaiming would have plenty of time to get lynched through false investigations.

Shut it. The play was fine. No half-decent townie would want to end the day that early. And i never claimed to have a guilty on Hewitt. I think you all just assumed it. *shrug*

I really thought better of you all. Plus, Hewitt is highly likely to be scum anyway, so i dont think it would have really mattered. But i wanted to get my actual result out there, obv.

BM

[Battle Mage]

As long as you're not duping us with this claim and Benmage does turn up guilty then I'm fine.

Lol, you'll be anything but fine. After Benmage, it's you.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I will glady go 1-1 with battle mage if he flips cop, but i highly doubt this.

Haha, you REALLY think i'll be lynched first? Last chance to claim a PR, paco!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Whatever you say Battle Mage, I'll worry about that tomorrow (as long as I make it through the night).

Well, you should obviously Kill Ray tonight. I expect we have 1 Vig, so if he flips SK/Mafia, you will be confirmed town. Ofc, if he knows you will do this, he will kill you too. Which removes you both from the game, and tomorrow town can lynch Snow White.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well, you should obviously Kill Ray tonight. I expect we have 1 Vig, so if he flips SK/Mafia, you will be confirmed town. Ofc, if he knows you will do this, he will kill you too. Which removes you both from the game, and tomorrow town can lynch Snow White.

I'll think about it.

The irony is, i suspect Ben told his team-mates not to kill me last night. xD

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, if one of us lives and the other one flips vig, then lynch the other. If one of us lives and the other one flips scum/sk, don't lynch the other.

NO. Either way, you both need to be looked at. Thinking about this game last night, i've come to the conclusion that Hewitt almost HAS to be scum. But i dont like the way either of you were happy to accommodate each other, or the way both of you seem to have concluded the other is an SK, with no reasoning to suggest that is the case. Frankly the whole thing seems so contrived, i wouldnt be surprised if you are both scum.

Either way, it's definitely Hewitt tomorrow, but if neither he or Benmage flip Corsican GF, i'd probably suggest lynching Ray next.

BM

[Battle Mage]

DN's hammer was premature.

BM should investigate DN tonight. >.>

does it matter who i investigate? I'm gonna be killed yeh. xD

BM

[Battle Mage]

Or we can lynch you (Bm) to test him (BM), then see if we need to lynch him. Also, if there's some sort of protective role, who's to say they won't take a side in the battle? It's not an automatic that one that survives is scum OR town.

well... didn't we lose our doc back in D1?

Also, if BM takes a stand, he'd take it with protecting me (Assuming he really is the doc and is yanking our chain... again).

Lol, yeh, i doubt the prospect of a Doc tbh. And, in light of your play today, if i WAS a Doc, i doubt id be protecting you tonight. I'd rather see you and Hewitt kill each other, and clean up this little mess.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Discounting a roleblocker?

ugh >.<"

I have trouble keeping all these powerroles in mind >.>"

good point, amished.

Yeah... well... if I survive and he dies and he flips SK/scum, then I see no reason to lynch me and vice versa.

If I die, I flip vig, and he lives, then I see a reason to lynch him and vice versa.

Again, NO. You could both be scum. I still need to do that reread.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, if one of us lives and the other one flips vig, then lynch the other. If one of us lives and the other one flips scum/sk, don't lynch the other.

NO. Either way, you both need to be looked at. Thinking about this game last night, i've come to the conclusion that Hewitt almost HAS to be scum. But i dont like the way either of you were happy to accommodate each other, or the way both of you seem to have concluded the other is an SK, with no reasoning to suggest that is the case. Frankly the whole thing seems so contrived, i wouldnt be surprised if you are both scum.

Either way, it's definitely Hewitt tomorrow, but if neither he or Benmage flip Corsican GF, i'd probably suggest lynching Ray next.

BM

Well, you discounted my 2 vig theory like it was retarded to think it, as did most of the other people here.

That leaves the sk/scum belief. I've said scum/sk this entire time, not just SK. I'm going to NK him, and nothing is going to change that. All likelihood: he says he is going to NK DN, thus he will die and so will DN.

The 2 Vig theory was perhaps reasonable, until i claimed Cop, at which point it was weak.

If Hewitt is Mafia, he is unlikely to NK DN. The only way i see an RB in the setup, is a Mafia RB, and the only way i see that, is as the final member of the Sicilian Team. But it's highly unlikely. An SK that can roleblock would work too. I'm concerned at how desperate you are to get a promise that you wont be lynched if Hewitt flips scum. Futhermore, Hewitt saying he might not kill you, effectively

confirms

him as scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm not going to bother shooting RayFrost if he's going to shoot me, that'd be a silly move on my part in order for the town to win. I'm going to focus on shooting scum tonight, I'll flip Vig after RayFrost shoots me, and the town can lynch RayFrost for being the SK/scum. Pretty simple in my opinion.

That's incredibly dumb. If we have a 3 man mafia group, we might be pushing LyLo soon. It makes far more sense for you to shoot confirmed scum tonight, and then let the town discuss who to lynch tomorrow. I dont blame you for having faith in your ability, but you cant blame the rest of us if we dont share it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@Ray - why is Amished-scum so unlikely to you? To me, it seems more than plausible.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Or if you don't think he's actually a vig, you can kill an anti-town killing role, allowing us to get more chances to hit scum with ourselves...

No offense...but you guys have been doing a really crappy job of that, I'm much better.

Haha *roundhouse kicks Hewitt*

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, if one of us lives and the other one flips vig, then lynch the other. If one of us lives and the other one flips scum/sk, don't lynch the other.

NO. Either way, you both need to be looked at. Thinking about this game last night, i've come to the conclusion that Hewitt almost HAS to be scum. But i dont like the way either of you were happy to accommodate each other, or the way both of you seem to have concluded the other is an SK, with no reasoning to suggest that is the case. Frankly the whole thing seems so contrived, i wouldnt be surprised if you are both scum.

Either way, it's definitely Hewitt tomorrow, but if neither he or Benmage flip Corsican GF, i'd probably suggest lynching Ray next.

BM

Well, you discounted my 2 vig theory like it was retarded to think it, as did most of the other people here.

That leaves the sk/scum belief. I've said scum/sk this entire time, not just SK. I'm going to NK him, and nothing is going to change that. All likelihood: he says he is going to NK DN, thus he will die and so will DN.

The 2 Vig theory was perhaps reasonable, until i claimed Cop, at which point it was weak.

If Hewitt is Mafia, he is unlikely to NK DN. The only way i see an RB in the setup, is a Mafia RB, and the only way i see that, is as the final member of the Sicilian Team. But it's highly unlikely. An SK that can roleblock would work too. I'm concerned at how desperate you are to get a promise that you wont be lynched if Hewitt flips scum. Futhermore, Hewitt saying he might not kill you, effectively

confirms

him as scum.

BM

Want me to put on my role hat? *dons said hat*

Okay, obviously, I'm going after hewitt. He's scum or SK, and either way he's going down. Hard. Possibly with a side of lettuce.

My issue with being lynched is the fact town loses a vig. Shouldn't I be fussing over that? I mean, seriously... I'm a fucking pro-town killing role. Being killed is on my mind just as much as killing. If I'm going to die, I'd rather it be via NK than wasting a town lynch.

y'gitme?

Tbh, if you hadnt said anything, youd probably have been fine. Now you just look over-anxious. lol
Vigs arent incredible protown roles-they can cause as much harm as good. If you DO manage to make it some sort of endgame, you'll be sure to kill Snow White, wont you? And keep an eye on Amished/Dramonic too.

BM

[Battle Mage]

if Ray flips Corsican, lynch Amished.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I have reservations about a DN kill. But meh. Hewitt, then Snow White, then your choice, k?

BM

[Battle Mage]

just reread ConfidAnon, and i'm far more inclined to believe Ray's Vig-claim.

Why do we even have a twilight phase??

X:

Because thread does not auto-lock, so I want to systematically give everyone the same opportunity to post between the hammer and the flip.

BM

[Battle Mage]

if Ray flips Corsican, lynch Amished.

BM

So... basically, you put up an impossible scenario?

and re most recent post:

>.> what is your case against SW, again?

Lol, i cba to go back and re-hash it. Basically she is one of the scummiest players ive ever seen, in 100+ games on site. She needs to die soon.

BM

[Battle Mage]

just reread ConfidAnon, and i'm far more inclined to believe Ray's Vig-claim.

Why do we even have a twilight phase??

BM

What about Confid makes you more inclined?


and I cba to go back and find it... we are at an impasse

you said he killed Tyler right? That makes alot of sense given his suspicions. And i dont think you're smart enough to have noticed that, used it to fakeclaim, and then not referenced it, and pretended to not know about it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

That's incredibly dumb. If we have a 3 man mafia group, we might be pushing LyLo soon. It makes far more sense for you to shoot confirmed scum tonight, and then let the town discuss who to lynch tomorrow. I dont blame you for having faith in your ability, but you cant blame the rest of us if we dont share it.

I honestly do not care Battle Mage if you find that dumb. Unlike some players I'm not one of your little minions and I'm going to do what I feel like is the right move based on what I think other players are going to do tonight.

I'm totally fine with flipping Vig and having the town lynch RayFrost tomorrow that is quite okay you'll lynch either a SK or scum.

Hahaha. Thats really funny. Considering the fact that, when Ray first claimed, you were happy to accept the possibility of 2 Vigs, and suddenly, you're sure he will flip scum? You're having real trouble keeping your story straight, arent you?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Haha! I love the way that both Mafias killed me, on a night where i forgot to send an investigation, and would probably have been lynched anyway. lmao xD

In all seriousness, brilliant game, and a brilliant win, guys

I'm happy with my correct reads on Hewitt and Snow White. We got damn lucky on Benmage. His play wasnt particularly scummy- which ironically, is the reason i investigated him. Sorry bro.

As Haylen said, i was really looking forward to this game, and it didn't disappoint.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I like Ray's LoS. Here is my own, before we have a hammer:

In order from Most Scummy to Most Protown. Questions will likely be met with disdain.

Snow White

- Probably Scum - I've discussed this enough. Nothing more really needs to be said. She will need lynching at some point. Not scum with DN or Dramonic.

DeathNote

- Probably Scum - Iso post 6 is well worth a read, as it is utter bs. BUT, i dont see him as scum with Snow White. Or Dramonic. In fact, isoing him is good. There's alot of trashy scumminess there!

Reading back for my opinion on Deathnote. The above quote is amusingly accurate. xD

And this:

Well Snow... care to hammer? Actually anyone please feel free to end this.

@Ray- Yeah another day is nice and all but you need to keep in mind that you just replaced in and havent gone through all the waiting that we have for a spark of posting. I will admit, I am happy so far that you replaced in as you have at least been posting.

Deathnote is OBV scum. I'd say he looks worse if OP flips scum.

I think what happened was, over a day-night cycle, i forgot about this, and when i saw DN taking alot of heat the next day when there were clearly better routes to pursue - Hewitt and SW, i thought he was more likely to be town getting bullied than scum.
Whoops. xD My memory does seem to be my main stumbling block these days.

BM