Mafia #100 - Game Over

[RayFrost]

Yo everybody...

I am Hulk's replacement. Look forward to playing this game with all of you, yadda, yadda, yadda... I'll read up and get back to you with an analysis of what has gone on so far.

It'll take a bit of reading (Currently page 17) before I'm caught up. After, you'll have no need to worry about me taking a long time to post my thoughts.

Also, I live in Japan, which means I'll probably not be on at the same time as most of you (for a usual school day over here, but it's the weekend currently)

That's all for now.

[RayFrost]

oh, forgot to

Unvote: BattleMage

[RayFrost]

Heading to the store, currently page 18.

will be back in ~1-2 hours

I'll probably be done reading in ~4 hours

[RayFrost]

currently on page 30...

[RayFrost]

Okay, I've finally finished reading.

First off, you are forewarned that this

may

seem WoT-ish (doubtful, but still...)

and... GD = General Discussion (in response to SW not knowing what it is =/)

Second off, I can't resist saying this: BM > Bm because BM has two capitals in his name.

And... I don't remember who said it, but tubby's death does not in

any

way support hewitt's vig claim. It only supports that hewitt did, in fact, kill ditto. That is not indicative of hewitt's alignment.

Anyway, my usual replacement stuff is to type up a list of scummy to not scummy with reasons on players... to be honest, I've probably forgotten half of what I've noticed from earlier. Regardless, here is how it goes:

unless specifically said otherwise

from top to bottom is scummiest to least scummy separated into three sections (scummy, neutral, townish). The top of neutral is neutral leaning scummy, the bottom of scummy is scummy just above the neutral leaning scummy, the bottom of neutral is leaning town, and the top of townish is just a little bit more townish than leaning town. Also, I am at the bottom of the town list, just to keep with my style of saying I'm confirmed

Now, I shall begin!!!! [insert the cheers of roaring hoards of cannibals as they prepare to feast upon the terrible analysis]

scummy

orangepenguin - virtually. no. content. 9 posts through this ENTIRE game without really saying anything of worth? really now? oh, and the reasons BM spoke of already (if you are too lazy to scroll up and read them... then too bad =/)

qwints - similar reasons... though qwints has one or two content posts, leaving a total of about 9 that don't have any.

black jinx - no content posts recently

bj

blackjinx's most recent post is kinda hypocritical and opportunistic imo

random lunatic & KoC & slicey- no content posts recently

SW - case on BM feels like a chainsaw defense for hewitt... the ditto point is illogical in every way, and SW doesn't really have any case on him (she even backed down already... and says she thinks BM is town after applying so much pressure). don't like it at all

neutral

hewitt - I am suspicious of the vig claim. the point BM brings up about the speculation (where hewitt lies implicitly) makes me leery. I also don't think hewitt actually replied to BM's suspicion on this point... quick iso confirms that.

CD - voting for BM? what... the... fuck? the reason wasn't that good. Mind explaining some solid case for why we should lynch BM?

DeathNote - has begun to post more actively = positive points. nothing really suspicious or odd... just wish he had been posting earlier in the game =/

townish

BM - the abbreviation reminds me of two different word pairs: best man & bowel movement... jokes aside, active posting / scum hunting slightly countered by an (imo) overly zealous focus on SW

Bm - enough posts to get by along with the posts having content... nothing really scummy

Dramonic - active posting, continued scum hunting, lack of rash decisions, lack of jumping quickly upon something and instead choosing to question and the like = +++

me - confirmed town. 'nuff said


If I missed anything / anybody, feel free to tell me... I probably did.

Also, a quick question on the NKs... couldn't the flavor just be there for X's fun? ._." if so, why has the possibility of 1 scum team and 2 vigs also been considered along with the set up dramonic posted? I mean... that could be balanced out by some rather powerful scum roles or something... I thought of it when considering the vig cc situation. If there is a vig, they shouldn't counter claim, since hewitt is going to die... why out

another

power role?

Anyway, that's just about all of my thoughts out there... feel free to question me on anything. I prefer being questioned

[RayFrost]

I would like to give OP time to respond to the points made against him before voting...

by time, I mean two rl, Japan-time days.

For a point of reference, it is 7:48 PM at this moment.

[RayFrost]

Second off, I can't resist saying this: BM > Bm because BM has two capitals in his name.

Don't worry, you know I love you more

[RayFrost]

GAWD, this game is like a replacement party -_-

Sadly.

[RayFrost]

Meh, not a good idea

Not a good idea to direct kill?

Was the plan dropped when our watcher got modkilled....

I don't see anything wrong with trying to direct him, since (if hewitt is scum) it'll force the mafia team's hand, and it'll allows us to direct a kill toward a seemingly anti-town member.

If he isn't scum, one benefit goes down the drain, but still

[RayFrost]

EBWOP: didn't read what dramonic wrote before putting that in >.> didn't see it.

[RayFrost]

well, we can't monitor the kills anymore. Directing the kill would allow whatever mafia is in the game to abuse potential PRs (stuff like mafia doc, mafia BD, mafia roleblocker)

Alright well it kinda sucks having to believe hewitt. I guess a counterclaim if possible wouldn't be the worst idea, because 1 scum for 1 townie doesn't seem to bad.

Or since scum have to kill battle tonight assuming he's telling the truth. scum/the real vig will kill hewitt in 2 nights. Basically I'm willing to let hewitt slide till than without re-scrutinizing him.

The problem I have with the idea of the vig CC: what if there are two vigs?

I actually took that speculation into account in my analysis. I'm rather new, so if that would be an unbalanced thing, then ._." nevermind. otherwise, it seems like a valid point, imo.

Also, even without two vigs, if the real vig does CC, that'll mean the vig gets only one kill before getting sent to their death, which kills the purpose of the power role.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the real vig (Assuming one vig) shouldn't CC (Assuming hewitt isn't the real one). Also, if there are two, a CC won't really help and will end up with two mislynches of vigs.

[RayFrost]

EBWOP: why do I keep getting ninja'ed?

[RayFrost]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the real vig (Assuming one vig) shouldn't CC (Assuming hewitt isn't the real one). Also, if there are two, a CC won't really help and will end up with two mislynches of vigs.

Yeah thats why i can let hewitt slide 2 nights.

Do you think that, if there is another vig out there, that they should go for a NK on hewitt? That would definitely confirm him if they hit... but it'd also potentially kill the 2nd vig

[RayFrost]

Anyway, peeps, it is 11:57 PM over here.

I need to get my sleep. I will be on tomorrow (Japan time).

Hopefully, somebody will have asked me some questions or there will be some more posts or something...

yeah...

[RayFrost]

Also, even without two vigs, if the real vig does CC, that'll mean the vig gets only one kill before getting sent to their death, which kills the purpose of the power role.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the real vig (Assuming one vig) shouldn't CC (Assuming hewitt isn't the real one). Also, if there are two, a CC won't really help and will end up with two mislynches of vigs.

What prompted these questions, again? Hmm, i need to check whether my role protects against multiple kill attempts.

BM

The speculation that was being done earlier in the game. I thought I'd chip in with any possibility that hadn't been explored in order to make sure town is making an

educated

decision.

@ DN: you are right >.> he's had quite some time and hasn't posted. Still, I think another day will not be harmful, since it'll give more time for town to discuss stuff. As it is, all the lurking is bothersome.

[RayFrost]

As it is...

why in a rush to have OP hammered, BM?

I know you are sure that he is scum, but what is wrong with another day or two of town conversation/speculation?

[RayFrost]

I got lost on page 28 or so. Not sure when I'll be arsed to catch up. Got bored of going around in circles... Plus I have tunnel vision.

Ask to be replaced, then?


@ Dramonic:

yes, I meant just that

BM:

I can see the logic in that... we've already discussed the hell out of anything for the day.

Vote: OrangePenguin

[RayFrost]

gentlemen and SW, lets give ourselves a hand, the mod is happy with our posting level XD

psh, as soon as I replaced in... that was destined to happen

[RayFrost]

Well Snow... care to hammer? Actually anyone please feel free to end this.

@Ray- Yeah another day is nice and all but you need to keep in mind that you just replaced in and havent gone through all the waiting that we have for a spark of posting. I will admit, I am happy so far that you replaced in as you have at least been posting.

Eh, I make an Oath to do so whenever I replace in... (re the posting)

I have experienced the waiting... even if not in this game. As it is, I'm content with it happening, even if I prefer to wait the second day and all that.

[RayFrost]

Okay, scratch that... OP is active lurking. =/

[RayFrost]

Snow White should now post her case and hammer, or simply hammer. If she chooses the latter, i'll be all over her ass tomorrow.

If she chooses neither, we have to wait for Kise or Random or KoC to put us out of our misery.

BM

Or the Mod suddenly granting somebody double voting power

Thanks for the compliment on me being the "spark of posting" by the way.

What made you add me to the "defend" list? Surely you don't intend to protect somebody

purely

because they are an active poster?

[RayFrost]

finally! <3

Protecting the players who are actually there is a good thing Ray.

._." I understand that protecting an active player is often a good idea, but if he did it purely for that reason... he should also say he plans on protecting you & Bm in that list. both of you are active as well.

What confuses me is the choice of protecting me

for a reason that could be applied to others

. I find it confusing and not quite logical, which leads me to believe that BM has an alternative reason that he hasn't stated...

[RayFrost]

Oh, and being active is a null tell, so... that's not the best standard to decide on who to protect.

[RayFrost]

twilight is fun~

So far, I like KoC's posting.

town pointssssss

and how did BM make his leap of logic?

[RayFrost]

leap of logic?

BM

about kise 100% not scum buddies with OP

and then not so sure about that

[RayFrost]

Sweet, we got two sicilian mafia deaths.

Hey, hewitt... who did you shoot and why?

[RayFrost]

BattleMage said he was self-sufficient.

He said he'd protect one of:

me

himself

hewitt

The scum/sk probaby didn't want to risk losing a NK by trying to off one of those three.

[RayFrost]

What do rubik's cubes have to do with this? O.o

[RayFrost]

Nothing, but Deathnote is still scum.

Vote: DeathNote

How did you come to this conclusion?


Also, hewitt... if you had said qwints... you'd have had trouble from me. good thing you didn't.

[RayFrost]

Also, hewitt... if you had said qwints... you'd have had trouble from me. good thing you didn't.

Why?

fyi I totally called qwints scum ages ago. Booyah screw lurkers!

Wait... that wasn't a clear enough indication? O.o

okay, lemme go back a bit and find something...

[RayFrost]

neutral

hewitt -

I am

suspicious of

the vig

claim. the point BM brings up about the speculation (where hewitt lies implicitly) makes me leery. I also don't think hewitt actually replied to BM's suspicion on this point... quick iso confirms that.

that was the best breadcrumb I could think of...

but yeah. I'm a vig. This is why I brought up the two vig theory. I shot qwints last night.

[RayFrost]

Good point against DN, amished.

He says he finds both the case against hewitt and the case against BM to be bad, yet votes for hewitt next post with the reasoning "no reason not to."

vote: Deathnote

[RayFrost]

I figured shooting qwints would be the best idea, since he was the second scummiest player after OP.

If hewitt caimed to have killed qwints, I would have known he had fake-claimed vig, since there were three kills. Thus, I would have given my CC and gotten him.

Naturally, I could have lost the debate on who was the real vig, so it was kinda a gamble there, but eh. It was the best I could think of to solidify whether or not hewitt was a possible vig.

[RayFrost]

How did you come to this conclusion?


Also, hewitt... if you had said qwints... you'd have had trouble from me. good thing you didn't.

? I feel like you should stop there because we honestly do not need another batch of outings.

didn't see that, sorry.


re Bm:

if I had put the bod in the original post, it would have been obvious

also, my predecessor shot tylerJ N1. I don't know why.

[RayFrost]

EBWOP: bold, not bod

[RayFrost]

for some reason, I have a feeling BM knew I was a vig back when I posted my list.

He said I was his most pro-town read, but I'd not posted very much, so....

[RayFrost]

EBWOP: vig/pr

[RayFrost]

for some reason, I have a feeling BM knew I was a vig back when I posted my list.

He said I was his most pro-town read, but I'd not posted very much, so....

Well I personally thought you came out/in strong. Gave that nice little summary quickly. Posted well. It'll be interesting to see what battle says.

yes, yes it will be.

This is one of my first games where I was a PR, so it's kinda exciting, though I've tried very hard to not let that show through >.>

[RayFrost]

Majorly crossposted: I find DN scum because of ISO 4 and 5. If you can't see why he's scum from those of his, you're scum with him. 6 is a bogus retraction seeing that Hewitt will not get bandwagoned by other scum/townies so needs to hop off early.

What exactly are you talking about here? I tried to find these but was unable.

I can't believe we have two claimed vig roles right now and a doctor. Depending how many scum are left, this could get really ugly.

So, you can't find 'em, eh?

how about I make it easier for you...

[RayFrost]

~mc hat~

DN is trying to back away from Amished, but Amished has him cornered with clear evidence.

What will DN-scum do to get out of this situation? Will he plead insanity in hopes of saving himself? Will he try to talk his way out of it?


Find out next time on... "Who's that criminal!!!"

~player hat~

he's obviously trying to avoid a difficult situation.

I think we've probably caught scum here.

Also, I'm going to be heading off to do stuff other than mafia posting for a bit. I'll be back later.

See yah.

[RayFrost]

Ben: Thoughts on DeathNote? (Stop ignoring him)

I opened the day thinking hiss reaction was peculiar. I need to iso him to get a full read. I recall his play definitely seemed subpar but I'd need to reread to determine if scummy.

I kinda had some agendas/things to ask today with others!

But i'm not ignorin him. Will iso soon, probably manyanana tis after 1 and I cant do heavy thinking atm.

1: What reaction did you think was peculiar?
2: Lies. It's only 20 after 12. Central time is the only one that counts. Lynch All Liars!

Wrong, J-time is the only things that matters. It's 2:20 PM.

LAL!!!

[RayFrost]

Wrong, J-time is the only things that matters. It's 2:20 PM.

LAL!!!

w.t.f is J-time?

Japan time. XD

[RayFrost]

There's a slim possibility Ray is scum too, just for his attitude today, and not killing Hewitt last night.

Deathnote is probably town, despite his vaguely scummy play.

Amished could be scum too.

I think it's time for the mages to unite. Ben-who shall we lynch today? who shall we definitely not lynch today?

BM

I didn't go for hewitt last night

because

you said you might protect him.

I would rather get a confirmed kill than risk not getting one just cuz you happened to protect him. I thus decided to go with the person I felt would be the lynch for today if not NKed, which was qwints.

He turned out scum, so that's great.

Also, why'd you claim cop after claiming doc? =/

[RayFrost]

also, how am I confirmed town?

also, happy b-day BM. you get .1 point over Bm for it being your b-day.

[RayFrost]

Ah okay Battle Mage so now apparently I'm the liar when you've just lied to the town pretty majorly.

how did i lie?

BM

claiming cop & doc

[RayFrost]

which did you lie about?

[RayFrost]

ofc, i could now be claiming cop to draw a kill tonight, because im actually the Doc, and will protect myself. Although that means im betting my life on Hewitt being scum.

Ray, are you voting Hewitt?

BM

I am not voting Hewitt.

Is there a good reason to be voting hew over DN?

I'm pretty sure my vote is on DN.

[RayFrost]

Hey, the mod is overjoyed with the posting level.

All hail our activity! especially mine

[RayFrost]

Good enough reasoning, Amished.

unvote, vote: Hewitt

Supreme F[ist]oS: DN

[RayFrost]

you mean four, right amished?

[RayFrost]

Yeah, but you ninja'd me, like the Japan location person you are.

I was trained in the ninja arts. Hell, I could probably do substitution jutsu tonight to avoid getting killed.

[RayFrost]

INVESTIGATION IMMUNE NKPROOF SK!!!!!! OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

.....

oh dear, you found me out... whatever shall I do?

oh wait, you missed the unlynchable bit. yeah, my clone powers make your lynching failz, n00b. Fear da ninja skillz.

[RayFrost]

DAMN! I guess we should all quit now as we obviously can't kill you. GG Ray, GG. Very well played.

Yup. 'tis a pity that you didn't figure out my one weakness...

[RayFrost]

Which would be ....

I have a 10% chance of doing suicide each night. something about ninja's accidentally blowing themselves up or something... I dunno.

[RayFrost]

Hmm, we've gone through N2, we need to NoLynch until D11! And jailkeep/roleblock all of you (clones included).

my transformation jutsu allows me to avoid such things. Sadly, you'll have to doc protect yourselves until I die

[RayFrost]

well, all jokes aside. I'm heading off to sleep.

It's 11:46 PM here. I'm exhausted.

[RayFrost]

Ray you lied about this being your first PR.

caught this though nobody else did.

and, umm...

no, I didn't lie. This actually is my first PR. =/

What makes you think I lied?

Also, reason I didn't CC D2:

I sincerely thought it was possible for there to be two vigs. I'm not all that experienced with how setups work or the likelihood of stuff, so yeah. I thought it was a real possibility.

The fact he didn't try to claim my kill is nice, but I guess it really didn't help much.

unvote

Battle... >.>" I'm not a dayvig or anything like that, so this isn't a real kill, but I think it's a nice way of showing I dislike your play:

daypunch: BattleMage

[RayFrost]

Ray you lied about this being your first PR.

caught this though nobody else did.

and, umm...

no, I didn't lie. This actually is my first PR. =/

What makes you think I lied?

Oh..i was breezing other threads randomly and saw your name dead on an ongoing game as a cop...so i dont want to say more, but it looks like you got replaced pregame because you have 0 posts in it...its ongoing so i wont say more.


Battle mage ur absurd. They may say "oh its battle"

but i've never seen this. And yes they should lynch you first to avoid mislynching me.

Noone goes Doc to cop on 1, and switch it to a second I dont care.

You wuld've opened claiming on me and not of caused this distraction.

But your claim is false, I don't know how these knuckleheads are following your lead....its boggling.

I replaced into said ongoing game after this one. I also

replaced in

during N1. it's ongoing, so I won't say more

And the BM stuff... if we mislynch you, he obviously gets lynched next.

I'll obviously be shooting hewitt, since we don't need a SK alive around here, and there is only room enough for one of us in this town... *cowboy style shoot off pose of epicness*

[RayFrost]

I replaced into said ongoing game after this one. I also

replaced in

during N1. it's ongoing, so I won't say more

And the BM stuff... if we mislynch you, he obviously gets lynched next.

I'll obviously be shooting hewitt, since we don't need a SK alive around here, and there is only room enough for one of us in this town... *cowboy style shoot off pose of epicness*

Word. I'm down for the 1-1, though lynching him first would save the mislynch.

If you are the vig, blow the shit outta Hewitt. SK/scum w/e he is.

If he kills you tonight, atleast you also knock him out because i'm pretty sure bullets go at the same time.

@Town if one of the 2 claimed vigs lives with the other nots its probably some sort of NK immune SK, so lynch them after battle.

Well, SKs don't have guns... so wouldn't a vig shoot first? XP

Also, if one of us lives and the other one flips vig, then lynch the other. If one of us lives and the other one flips scum/sk, don't lynch the other.

[RayFrost]

Or we can lynch you (Bm) to test him (BM), then see if we need to lynch him. Also, if there's some sort of protective role, who's to say they won't take a side in the battle? It's not an automatic that one that survives is scum OR town.

well... didn't we lose our doc back in D1?

Also, if BM takes a stand, he'd take it with protecting me (Assuming he really is the doc and is yanking our chain... again).

[RayFrost]

Discounting a roleblocker?

ugh >.<"

I have trouble keeping all these powerroles in mind >.>"

good point, amished.

Yeah... well... if I survive and he dies and he flips SK/scum, then I see no reason to lynch me and vice versa.

If I die, I flip vig, and he lives, then I see a reason to lynch him and vice versa.

[RayFrost]

theoryyyy

what?

[RayFrost]

theoryyyy

what?

to much on speculation and what ifs

oh

Unless I get a feeling on who is scum that's stronger than a hewitt scum belief... he's going to get shot.

[RayFrost]

Or if you don't think he's actually a vig, you can kill an anti-town killing role, allowing us to get more chances to hit scum with ourselves...

No offense...but you guys have been doing a really crappy job of that, I'm much better.

So... you'd rather let me live and have town lynch me over getting rid of what has to be an anti-town killing role (scum/sk) if you aren't the scum/sk?

[RayFrost]

unvote

if I have my vote on him...

don't want this discussion ending so quickly.

[RayFrost]

oh.

[RayFrost]

DN's hammer was premature.

BM should investigate DN tonight. >.>

[RayFrost]

Also, if one of us lives and the other one flips vig, then lynch the other. If one of us lives and the other one flips scum/sk, don't lynch the other.

NO. Either way, you both need to be looked at. Thinking about this game last night, i've come to the conclusion that Hewitt almost HAS to be scum. But i dont like the way either of you were happy to accommodate each other, or the way both of you seem to have concluded the other is an SK, with no reasoning to suggest that is the case. Frankly the whole thing seems so contrived, i wouldnt be surprised if you are both scum.

Either way, it's definitely Hewitt tomorrow, but if neither he or Benmage flip Corsican GF, i'd probably suggest lynching Ray next.

BM

Well, you discounted my 2 vig theory like it was retarded to think it, as did most of the other people here.

That leaves the sk/scum belief. I've said scum/sk this entire time, not just SK. I'm going to NK him, and nothing is going to change that. All likelihood: he says he is going to NK DN, thus he will die and so will DN.

[RayFrost]

Or we can lynch you (Bm) to test him (BM), then see if we need to lynch him. Also, if there's some sort of protective role, who's to say they won't take a side in the battle? It's not an automatic that one that survives is scum OR town.

well... didn't we lose our doc back in D1?

Also, if BM takes a stand, he'd take it with protecting me (Assuming he really is the doc and is yanking our chain... again).

Lol, yeh, i doubt the prospect of a Doc tbh. And, in light of your play today, if i WAS a Doc, i doubt id be protecting you tonight. I'd rather see you and Hewitt kill each other, and clean up this little mess.

BM

What's so scummy about my play?

re the post you just made:

I'm not scum, thus the possibility of him and I being scum is null from my point of view. Looking at it from town PoV (other than me):

I can see how there is a possibility, just like there is a possibility that amished is scum, you are fake-claiming cop and bussing benmage, and DN is the real cop.

[RayFrost]

Also, if one of us lives and the other one flips vig, then lynch the other. If one of us lives and the other one flips scum/sk, don't lynch the other.

NO. Either way, you both need to be looked at. Thinking about this game last night, i've come to the conclusion that Hewitt almost HAS to be scum. But i dont like the way either of you were happy to accommodate each other, or the way both of you seem to have concluded the other is an SK, with no reasoning to suggest that is the case. Frankly the whole thing seems so contrived, i wouldnt be surprised if you are both scum.

Either way, it's definitely Hewitt tomorrow, but if neither he or Benmage flip Corsican GF, i'd probably suggest lynching Ray next.

BM

Well, you discounted my 2 vig theory like it was retarded to think it, as did most of the other people here.

That leaves the sk/scum belief. I've said scum/sk this entire time, not just SK. I'm going to NK him, and nothing is going to change that. All likelihood: he says he is going to NK DN, thus he will die and so will DN.

The 2 Vig theory was perhaps reasonable, until i claimed Cop, at which point it was weak.

If Hewitt is Mafia, he is unlikely to NK DN. The only way i see an RB in the setup, is a Mafia RB, and the only way i see that, is as the final member of the Sicilian Team. But it's highly unlikely. An SK that can roleblock would work too. I'm concerned at how desperate you are to get a promise that you wont be lynched if Hewitt flips scum. Futhermore, Hewitt saying he might not kill you, effectively

confirms

him as scum.

BM

Want me to put on my role hat? *dons said hat*

Okay, obviously, I'm going after hewitt. He's scum or SK, and either way he's going down. Hard. Possibly with a side of lettuce.

My issue with being lynched is the fact town loses a vig. Shouldn't I be fussing over that? I mean, seriously... I'm a fucking pro-town killing role. Being killed is on my mind just as much as killing. If I'm going to die, I'd rather it be via NK than wasting a town lynch.

y'gitme?

[RayFrost]

EBWOP:

"loses a vig and a lync" should be the bit with the issue >.<

[RayFrost]

@Ray - why is Amished-scum so unlikely to you? To me, it seems more than plausible.

BM

eh, I have a slightly pro-town read on him for the moment. It's not highly unlikely, just not as likely as other possibilities (DN/Hewitt).

[RayFrost]

oh, I guess I shouldn't have said anything then. Gah, I really don't know how to be a good PR >.<"

eh, hewitt, then DN, then somebody else, unsure who yet.

[RayFrost]

if Ray flips Corsican, lynch Amished.

BM

So... basically, you put up an impossible scenario?

and re most recent post:

>.> what is your case against SW, again?

[RayFrost]

just reread ConfidAnon, and i'm far more inclined to believe Ray's Vig-claim.

Why do we even have a twilight phase??

BM

What about Confid makes you more inclined?


and I cba to go back and find it... we are at an impasse

[RayFrost]

just reread ConfidAnon, and i'm far more inclined to believe Ray's Vig-claim.

Why do we even have a twilight phase??

BM

What about Confid makes you more inclined?


and I cba to go back and find it... we are at an impasse

you said he killed Tyler right? That makes alot of sense given his suspicions. And i dont think you're smart enough to have noticed that, used it to fakeclaim, and then not referenced it, and pretended to not know about it.

BM

Insult to my intelligence noted.

-.5 points for BM for insulting another player.

[RayFrost]

-.5 points for BM for insulting another player.

noted

No joke? Just a note? XD

Anyway... =/ <insert timer music for lame game shows>

[RayFrost]

He's trying to catch up, so he needs to keep track of any BM subtractions.

gogo Jeopardy theme! I wager 1001 dollars to win out!

you failed your first win... squared or nothing?

I see XD

-.01 Bm for desperation.

jk, that's not serious at all, disregard it.

[RayFrost]

Amished... you win!!!

too bad we have no actual money, but hey... you get this spoofy new garage sale monument instead that we stole from a hobo!!!

[RayFrost]

Yes, begone, benmage scum! And take your partners with you!

If they are male partners...

[RayFrost]

EBWOP: +.1 to Bm for pity.

There shall be no pity for the wicked kind sire.

+.2 to Bm for getting his scum buddy to confess

[RayFrost]

EBWOP: +.1 to Bm for pity.

There shall be no pity for the wicked kind sire.

+.2 to Bm for getting his scum buddy to confess

If that was a confession shall I shoot him then?

No, no, I'm shooting the one that made a confession

[RayFrost]

EBWOP: +.1 to Bm for pity.

There shall be no pity for the wicked kind sire.

+.2 to Bm for getting his scum buddy to confess

If that was a confession shall I shoot him then?

No, no, I'm shooting the one that made a confession

I thought you were shooting me?

I am

[RayFrost]

Oh okay. Have fun with cutting the first time I've ever been a power role down.

Eh, this is my first time too. no sympathy.

and jordan... you have to enjoy the twilight spam get your reads out, NOW.

[RayFrost]

what day is this? 3, 4? *sighs.* Why did I even sub into this?

a summary WOULD be nice still. But I dont expect one...

summary of the entire game? or just this day? Also, it's twilight of D3 currently.

[RayFrost]

lmfao XD

[RayFrost]

vote: hewitt

I shot hewitt last night, but he isn't dead. Methinks scum doc protect.

[RayFrost]

GLD:

Confidanon shot tylerj N1.

I came in N2 and shot qwints, and I shot hewitt N3.

Just thought of something to correct my earlier belief of mafia doc: another possibility is mafia RB, which is more likely.

The fact hewitt is saying he tried to kill me and I'm not dead is obv. scum tell that he's american mafia and they sent in their kill for BM because he was more dangerous, thus making his fake claim obvious as well.

[RayFrost]

Okay... the SW thing doesn't change much. Whoever sends in the kill actually performs said kill for the mafia team. Let's see... SW sends it in, BM gets watched... hmmm. Mafia doesn't have two kills, so hewitt can't kill me as mafia.

Whatddya know, it fits so well!

Also, I did claim who I was planning on killing N3. It was hewitt, and I stuck to it.

Chances of being jailkept are virtually none due to the pome doc flip from the start of the game.

Chances of insane cop are, again, virtually none, due to the BM cop flip.

SW & Hewitt are scum.

Lynch hewitt, and I'll

try

to kill SW, though I'll probably be RBed... again.

[RayFrost]

EBWOP: and you all can watch the show

[RayFrost]

Assuming that SW is the roleblocker. Hewitt could very well be roleblocker instead meaning that you will not be messed with tonight.

I am perfectly fine with you lynching me tomorrow if SW is not scum. My results confirm she had to have killed him and thus I am 99% sure she is scum.

Can you be a roleblocker and still perform night kills? Because I'm confirmed a killing role (Vigilante) and if you can't then clearly Snow White is the scum who killed Battle Mage.

ummm...

Mafia kill is mafia team's kill as a whole and just one kill.

RB is an individual mafia player's ability that can be used regardless of that.

Whoever sends in the kill does the deed.

Conclusion: I'll probably not die tonight and DN will. Hewitt will also just so happen to have "shot" me and failed.

Also, I should be convinced you are scum. You are, after all.

there is only reason for anybody to interfere:

saving a scum buddy

Thus, you are scum. Naturally, this logic could be extended to say that I'm scum in a reversal except for the fact you didn't claim that you were, in fact, going to kill me at all, while I actually did say you were going to get shot by me... repeatedly during D3.

[RayFrost]

I don't think so, unless you are the last one alive. Hmm....


I could see Snow being the last member of a mafia faction and getting to roleblock and kill. This would through the rest of us off and draw suspicions to Hewitt so she can survive another night. Either way, I would like to lynch SW today and kill Hewitt tomorrow. If he lives, we simply lynch him and visa versa for SW. Thoughts?

Problem: you aren't considering the two vig conundrum. (as far as you are concerned, there are two vigs for the time being).

Obviously, I'm going to try and shoot little hew-scum. Obviously, I'll probably get the RB slam put down on me.

Result: a kill on somebody and

hewitt still alive

.

I'm more sure of hew being scum than I am of SW, since both have fake claimed, but only one claimed

my role

.

y'gitme?

[RayFrost]

What I mean by kill Hewitt/SW tomorrow is at night via Ray's vig.


I really hope you are town Ray. ><

I'll probably get screwed over by a RB. We should all watch out for such things.

And no worries. Hewitt is scum. I am vig.

[RayFrost]

Hahaha. Relax DN. Your not making a mistake. The votes are quite called for, you've caught me.

Damn my not understanding the watcher role before i submitted that. Among other things, i should take note of where i place my fake bread crumbs. I think its fairly obvious i am scum at this point... i despise RayFrost at this point and the other mafia team who i assumed would too shoot BattleMage. Second doctor.

Well... a full on claim is better than trying to get the rest to actually believe me just yet. *shrugs*

Also, why despise me for following up my claim that I'd shoot hewitt? =/

[RayFrost]

You would believe claimed scum? ......

Not really, unless they said something like "I'm the scum, and here are my partners." and then the mod closed the game for SW breaking it.

anyway, I wish I could kill lil hew... but I'll probably receive the RB. Just to be sure, I think it might be a good idea for DN to watch either hew or myself (I'd recommend myself, obv. but it's his choice on who to believe is the

real

vig.). It'd be better if he didn't claim who and he went with who he found to be the more likely to be real vig for his watch (since they'll be the one RBed)

[RayFrost]

After thinking it through, I will still

Vote: Snow White

since she does have a killing power that is anti-town. After checking the numbers, we are still safe if there are three American Mafiates remaining after we lynch Snow White, since there will be 8 players going into night (and hence we would only lose if there were two kills on townspeople tonight).

Isn't this like... your third time voting for SW in a row? >.>

[RayFrost]

After thinking it through, I will still

Vote: Snow White

since she does have a killing power that is anti-town. After checking the numbers, we are still safe if there are three American Mafiates remaining after we lynch Snow White, since there will be 8 players going into night (and hence we would only lose if there were two kills on townspeople tonight).

Isn't this like... your third time voting for SW in a row? >.>

Quick iso read, only two, and you unvoted in between, nvm then.

[RayFrost]

Shall someone swing the hammer?

Hmmm... I thought the hammer was dropped.

I don't think any more discussion is needed...

Vote: Snow White

I hewitt is gone if SW is the rb.

[RayFrost]

I wish I could kill lil hew

Haha OMG! That's my nickname in real life.

I'm pleasantly surprised by the turn of events considering I left the house tonight fully expecting to be lynched upon my return. Thankfully I'm not and I think after tonight we'll finally get to see who's telling the truth eh RayFrost?

niiiice.

And it seems we will...

[RayFrost]

Okay, it seem that Hewitt is still alive. Yet again, I am RBed.

Hewitt, why don't you just let me shoot your head off, already?

since you won't let me shoot you...

vote: Hewitt

[RayFrost]

Rayfrost, I have a question. When you receive your results, do they say you are blocked or that your kill just didn't go through?


The reason I ask is because the Roleblocker didn't target you last night, he targeted me. I got no results yet there was only one kill. This could mean several different things but my first instinct was that I was blocked and hewitt/Rayfrost was protected. (Meaning that the other mafia members have two power roles, blocker/doctor)

What is yall's opinion on the matter?

I don't "get" results except by the display of the kills at the start of each day. My only confirmation that my kill went through is if I woke up, read the thread, and saw the name Hewitt in the list of dead people

re Hewitt:

I didn't say YOU are the RB. I am asking you why you (collective you as in hewitt & scum co.) won't let me kill one of your members

Eh, that's easy to explain. Your team was busy shooting somebody else.

There is a reason or two you wouldn't want to kill me:

1. When I flip in the morning... who's the obv lynch? Hewitt!!

2. By keeping me alive, you can continue trying to trick town into thinking I'm the scum and you are the vig, hoping to keep me alive at lylo and cause my death there for scum win.

[RayFrost]

Oh RayFrost we can continue this banter back and forth all day but pretty everything you just said I should be saying right back to you, smart.

Eh, the fact you

haven't

shows you aren't really trying to figure out reasons for you being alive after me shooting you. Saying "that could be used against you too" isn't exactly the same as actually COMING UP with the reasons. It's pure deflection.

Also note:

Hewitt said he didn't have anything to say in response to GLaDOS' post, as in he didn't have any defense/counter from it... as in it's true.

[RayFrost]

It's not true I just think that it's a big probability that the scum are going to lead a wagon on me and then once I'm gone the rest of the game is theirs.

ummm... lolwut?

If I was scum, I would want you to

stay alive

to make sure I wasn't lynched when you flipped vig (note: I am saying

If

for a reason).

If you flipped vig with a me-scum, I'd be gone next, and it'd probably be a simple win for town to see who I'm connected with, in all likelihood.

Also... following through with scum of us not wanting the other dead, we can note that you agree with what I said being applied to both of us as scum, but that would mean that we wouldn't want the other to get killed, so scum

wouldn't

lead a wagon on you.

Your contradictions add to your scumminess...

Either you disagree with my first points from a few posts ago (and thus lied) or what you just said is a flat out attempt at deception that you know isn't accurate (and thus a lie).

Also note: you aren't voting me. the scum between us would want the other to live.

My vote and my eyes will stay on you until I'm dead, hewitt.

[RayFrost]

Yeah I know you're dogging me. But unfortunately for you you're next once the town sees what I flip.

You still didn't reply to my actual post.

You've contradicted yourself.

If you note, I already explained how it'd be a poor idea for me-scum to get you lynched. You agreed with it.

Now you are saying scum would be leading to your lynch.

This contradicts the agreement made before.

Thus, you are displaying scummy contradictions and not replying to the fact I came up with this first and actually considered you being scum while you've mostly been idle on it.

The

vig

would be confident that the other was scum and would push for their lynch, this is true. The

scum

wouldn't push for the other's lynch all that much, since it'd lead to their own loss.

In conclusion:

Lil Hew is scum

I am teh vig.

[RayFrost]

RayFrost you're making a huge mistake in pushing to lynch me. You'll be going next.

Why is that? The only reason I can think of town wanting to do this is if you flip town.

Just throwing this out there but, what are the odds of there being a SK instead of a Vig?

What makes you consider a SK possibility here? It wouldn't change the fact hewitt is still alive, despite 2 consecutive attempts to shoot his head off, the fact you were blocked, and the fact we had only one kill last night.

We've only had a couple American Mafia flips, meaning there is probably one or two more out there, which would make sense considering lil hew is still alive and you were RBed.

If there is a SK, we'd need to assume that the SK (hew) is NK immune.

This still wouldn't work, since mafia (since hew would be SK) would want to kill the claimed vig(s). One of us should be dead by now in this situation.

If neither hew or myself were targeted by mafia, there should've been TWO kills, since there would be the remaining mafia + SK = 2

My being alive makes no sense if hew is not mafia.

The fact we aren't yet points to a SK not working in this situation, no matter how you look at it.

[RayFrost]

When I flip Vig then lynch RayFrost because he's either fucking scum or a SK.

Wow, suddenly latching onto the SK idea without really considering the plausibility of it... ++ scum points (not that you need any more )

Also, nice AtE (I believe that's the right one here)

[RayFrost]

RAYFROST- Then explain the fact that I have shot at you MULTIPLE times are you are still here.

1. Your team couldn't shoot at me cuz it was busy shooting other people.

2. You are scum, so duh you wouldn't really shoot me

3. you only "considered" shooting me after I made it clear that you were my target.

4. All of the above are true.

[RayFrost]

That's stupid in my opinion. Me and RayFrost are honestly scum buddies? Really? Have you read these past couple of days?

For once, I agree with Lil Hew...

DN, have you seriously given this thought?

If both he and I were scum, why in the world would I have done the CC in the first place? Hewitt was not really suspect to the town, and I could have easily given a different claim if the need arose. Claiming vig when my scum partner claimed vig is just retarded. If he and I were scum buddies, this would mean that he and I planned out that I would CC, thus leading to massive suspicion of him that would lead to him being lynched...

which makes no sense since there

was very little suspicion of him at the time

relative to other possibilities.

[RayFrost]

Happiness with Posting Level

:

Disappointed

Nooooooo

Hey mod, would you mind prodding the inactives (such as Amished)?

That might help with the posting level

[RayFrost]

Mod- Jordan hasn't posted in well over a week. Please prod or replace.

I got a feeling (that tonights gonna be a good night)... I mean that Hewitt will be the Lynch for today, which is fine with me. However, before we lynch him, lets compile a gameplan for routing out his scum buddy, assuming he has one. This would be so awesome if he was American Roleblocker and was the last mafia member.

consider that he survived me shooting him & you were RBed... do you really think he's the last member?

[RayFrost]

I know the odds are slim, but you never know... :/

so you think he's a NK immune mafia roleblocker... really now?

[RayFrost]

I know the odds are slim, but you never know... :/

so you think he's a NK immune mafia roleblocker... really now?

What? When did I ever say that? Go ahead... quote me. I am simply open to any and all possibilities. For instance, I am leaning towards the fact that Dramonic might be mafia aligned as he is voting for me, a claimed watcher who has proved my role to be valid, instead of going after the two claimed vigs, one of which is sure anti-town. Curious.

so you are suspicious of dramonic for OMGUS reasons... real smooth.

also, you said there is ONE scum left...

you were roleblocked, and I filed to NK him.

This has two or three possibilities:

1. he's NK immune and can RB

2. he can RB and doc protect himself

3. he can RB two people each night

[RayFrost]

-They can't be scum together, since we're missing a NK if they are.
-If there is a SK among the two, why hasn't he killed the scum yet? We could say "Cuz he's being roleblocked", but you're monopolizing the roleblock from last night

The only thing I'm still confused about is how you found out SW is traitor. My current theory is that you're the mafia RB and your buddy (most likely Rayfrost) is mafia rolecop who TOLD you during a night. It's kinda crazy, but I don't believe you are town at ALL

lulwut?

How'd you come to the conclusion that I'm a mafia rolecop that's a scum buddy with deathnote? are you seriously considering that?

[RayFrost]

well, i need something to explain why DN found SW, since he's obv scum. There was a reason why he had to be the RB and you the cop, but I'm having a brainfart here. But that's a detail, you and DN are my most probable scumteam.

so... you think hewitt is an actual vig and just happens to be failing on his kill toward me repeatedly?

Why do you think I'm scum over hewitt in this situation, exactly?

[RayFrost]

It's DN's fault.

I think DN is scum.
DN seems inclined toward Hewitt being the scum among you two
I've never seen DN pull an elaborate gambit (no offense)

Therefore, I think you're the scum among the two
Also the reason I want DN dead is that if he IS indeed the roleblocker, then your cross-kills should work tonight and tomorrow morning it'll be done with a town-win ^_^

true, IF he is the RB. he could just as easily be a goon, leaving me in the same position of failing to shoot hewitt's head off. How about... hewitt gets lynched, then I try shooting DN tonight?

[RayFrost]

But I think you're scum by extension, why would I expect you to shoot him?

Also, if he is scum and isn't RB, then you/hewitt is. If so, we'll have no kill tonight. How is that a bad thing?

Incorrect. There will be a kill tonight. And it won't be hewitt or myself. The scum (hewitt/me) will want the other alive to avoid the otherwise inevitable lynch in this situation. As it is, it'll come down to a (likely) 3 person endgame with me and hew if one of us aren't lynched. I'll keep trying to kill his ass and failing while he keeps letting me live to avoid the noose.

Also, have you ever seen DN have a good scum partner?

[RayFrost]

I've never seen DN flip scum.

And wrong, if DN is scum but isn't the roleblocker, then:

a)if the RB blocks, he cant kill
b)if he kill, he'll get killed too.

inaccurate...

it depends upon the mod.

most consider the scum kill to be alignment based, and thus allow the RB to happen as well.

Also, if you've never seen him flip scum, how thah fuck are you finding his current play to be matching with some sort of scum meta? O.o

[RayFrost]

Also, you're no.2 in ppd, grats!

I assume you mean posts per day? thanks if you do

[RayFrost]

I'm not, did I ever say that? I'm saying him being watcher and blocked is excessively improbable.

you said... something along the lines of...

you've never seen DN pull a gambit before, which makes me his most likely scum buddy... which implies scum meta...

[RayFrost]

no, I'm saying I've never seen DN pull an elaborate gambit, so I'm poking at his intelligence saying he wouldn't be smart enough to bus his partner

Anyways, I dont care which of you is scum if he flips RB.

And I would prefer to get rid of hewitt. 'nuff said.

[RayFrost]

Well, it's your job to kill Hewitt and you keep failing <_<

and that's why we should lynch 'em, duh.

[RayFrost]

BUT If I'm right about DN being scum (and I have faith in myself) then tonight you're sposed to succeed.

BUT If I'm right about Hewitt being scum (and I have faith in myself), then then tonight I'm sposed to succeed.

[RayFrost]

the RB would still be on the loose.

Unless Hewitt/Ray is RB. I am really not liking your argument here dramonic. It's based off too many, "what ifs."

I also don't like the fact that everyone insults my intelligence. KoC did the same thing towards the end of our DeathNote game by saying he doubted anyone could underestimate my knowledge. Do I just come off as a stupid person to everyone??

I haven't insulted you.

[RayFrost]

Let's lynch hewitt then DN if I don't manage to shoot his head off

[RayFrost]

Let's lynch hewitt then DN if I don't manage to shoot his head off

++ scum points for you and not for OMGUS reasons.

So far this game, you have gone with the easy target, meaning you agree with everyone who applies pressure on anyone else. I am not worried about being killed just yet as only Dramonic is accusing me but I am now concerned that you just jump right along with him to kill me. I already assumed my chances of survival low tonight but now that you are claiming to vig me as well, I know I will not live through the night.

ummm... .-. I find the thought that I was RBed as well as you to be suspect. I know I tried shooting Hewitt. I also know that he's still alive. I'm confident that hewitt will flip scum. If he flips SK, then I will consider who to vig in this case. If he flips scum and it isn't game over, you seem like the best bet.

[RayFrost]

Unvote
Vote: Rayfrost

That was a nice slip on your part though.

umm... lulwut? how is that a slip?

If he flips SK, how does that make me scum?

[RayFrost]

If he flips SK, then you're the american goon who's been killing.
How is that not a flip?
You think we have 4 kills a night and they got roleblocked that often?

That makes what, 3 roleblockers now?

.-. I was taking it from a "I'm a vig" while also using what I had remembered to be a couple of DN's theories (there being a SK and the like).

[RayFrost]

The Sk theory has no vig in it.

You expect me to remember his entire theory? Plus, even if I did remember that bit, I'd still have the knowledge that I am a vig to just edit out that point to come with the result I gave.

[RayFrost]

I'D expect you to pay enough attention to know that any of you who admits the possibility of a SK is admitting to be scum.

I don't view things the same way you do, and I hardly think I'd remember the full theory of something that suddenly popped into my head that he had mentioned.

[RayFrost]

*pat pat*

stop touching me, you perv!

seriously though, what was the *pat pat* for? you keep *pat pat*ing me and it's making me uncomfortable <.<

[RayFrost]

It's like a "it's okay, you can stop sinking yourself now"
Also, I like patting guys
Also in this context it means we can wait for the input of others, our back and forths are getting repetitive XP

I don't sink myself... I get tossed in and then people "pull me under"

and yeah, we should wait, since it is just getting back to you thinking I'm scum for some reason I find arbitrary and you find valid...

[RayFrost]

His (lil hew) most recent post hits a few emotional buttons (As in he has buzz words in it) that give me an AtE feel, not to mention he's jut saying he knew Hulk wasn't reading and, thus, was a complete idiot that was voting a PR. Not likely, since I

am

the said PR.

Amished, I don't find the jailkeeper likely due to the doc already flipping earlier along with the cop claim... could you explain how it could be a jailkeeper?

dramonic:

so you are saying that you believe that lil hew is a SK, and I am cum buddies with DN? really elaborate theory there... and why does it stop you from voting hew, exactly?

[RayFrost]

And I would prefer to get rid of hewitt. 'nuff said.

Really? You want to get rid of me? Then why have you not shot me yet? Because it's absolute bullshit that you've been targeting me each night. No doctor or anything like that would've gone against the town and saved me each night so you have not been sending in a kill in me that's for sure.

Ignoring everything else, including the AtE at the bottom and the insult directed toward Hulk...

1. you really should stop cursing. It muddles what you are saying.

2. And that's why you are scum; nobody else would save your ass.

and another thing, since I'm so confident that you are scum...

Mod: is it possible for the vig to NK themselves?

X:

Why, yes, a Vigilante could NK him/herself.

If so, then, if I'm wrong about hewitt being scum, I will NK myself to save town the lynch.

[RayFrost]

I didn't say Hewitt was SK. DN and later you proposed that. I think he's more likely vig than you are.
You're not going to NK yourself, if he doesn't flip scum you are, why even ask?

Eh, I know I'm the vig.

Also, what proof do you have that he's more likely to be the vig, exactly?

So far, all he's really done is say "no u" to me when I put up explanations for how he's scum...

well, except his post responding to glados' post after quite some time of leaving it there.

[RayFrost]

Well, honestly I don't see your case on him as exactly grand either. Also, if you're vig, good to know since Hewitt is clearly closer to the lynch. However I doubt it.

The flip will tell.

[RayFrost]

Well, honestly I don't see your case on him as exactly grand either. Also, if you're vig, good to know since Hewitt is clearly closer to the lynch. However I doubt it.

oh, and another thing...

Lil hew hasn't even

tried

to make a case for a me-scum. He's just said "I'm vig, Ray's scum"

[RayFrost]

=)

I was waiting for Battle Mage to attempt to jump down my throat, I just didn't think he'd attempt it so poorly. Battle Mage build yourself some cred and actually fabricate a good case on me if you're going to do it at all.

Lol, i dont think any discussion is needed here. Btw, it's really petty to be mean to me just because ive CORRECTLY felt you were scum ever since Day 2. You've been lucky to survive this long tbh-in spite of your play you somehow got away with the claim.

You claimed Vig. Ray claimed Vig. I dont believe we have 2 Vigs. Ray is confirmed town. Therefore Hewitt is the lynch today.

Simple, no?

BM

Is this the "subtle one-liner?"

[RayFrost]

That's actually a rather nice way to slip it in like a tossed off, minor point.

[RayFrost]

which is why I missed it.
I sure hope Hewitt flips SK

that'd be interesting, since I'd also be a confirmed innocent.

[RayFrost]

...I need some sleep @_@...

then sleep?

[RayFrost]

Mod:

can we skip twilight, plz? or, failing that, get a prod on jordan

last post was september 23

X:

No skipping Twilight. ~Jordan` was prodded over 48 hours ago.

[RayFrost]

Why do you want to skip twilight?

that was a joke. duh. hence the " "

The serious bit was asking for a jordan prod, since I didn't realize he'd been prodded.

[RayFrost]

I shot dramonic.

I did so because he seemed to be trying to lure a lynch

away

from hewitt (confirmed scum) and onto me and DN. It seemed like scum trying to save a partner from playing hangman. I was wrong, unfortunately...

btw, if this doesn't end the game, I'm obv shooting one of you.

[RayFrost]

Clearly, and dram was a good choice because I know I would've pushed for his lynch today had you not.

@Ray: Gut read, nothing based in the thread, who do you think is scum out of the three of us?

list:

DN

Glad

Amished

how about you?

[RayFrost]

Out of pure self-arrogance, mine is exactly the same as yours, but with you in my spot. Early on I thought DN was scum, and it was only BM's insistence, especially after his death, (and the revealing of SW) that made me doubt myself.

With the signs pointing towards DN lying as scum, what further information are you hoping to gain from apparently waiting for his response?

umm... he might save himself with something or provide a hint to his partner or something of the sort...

[RayFrost]

That would make an 8th scum though?

eh, better plan for the worst and hope for the best.

[RayFrost]

*takes the floor*

Members of the town, jury, lyncher, defendant. *nods to each in turn*

We stand here today to decide the fate of one more townsperson. The town has come to an ultimate decision that the evidence stated for the case has absolute merit, and the defendant has given no defense against it. It has come to a conclusion that the one who should be lynched today is DeathNote. He has already written his will, or death note, in the case of his death. I am fully aware of the power that rests in my hands to cast this final stone, and take the responsibility of it seriously. I am, with my own deliberations, deciding that the best lynch is, in fact, DeathNote. Let it be known that all that have come before have spent their blood, sweat, and tears to either destroy this town or save it. Let us have a moment of silence in honor of these brave individuals who have placed their lives on the line and remember all the good times... and all the bad times. Though this day may end, I hope this lynch will be the last, so that the town may heal and prosper once again. If it is not, I will take it upon myself to save the town with the last bullet I have left. I thus take it upon myself to, like those that have died on this journey, to place my life on the line for the town and its people, so that those who will remain will see better days and the smile of their children. So that the little timmy of tomorrow may grow up not knowing the fear and paranoia that we have known for so long. With all this in mind, I cast this final vote, in hopes of better days to come...

Vote: DeathNote

Thank you all, present and past, that have supported the town and myself in this time of need. Thank you.

[RayFrost]

... Processing ...

I will wait and see if X ends the game or puts us in twilight. If we go to twilight, then I will definitely try to find time to make a case against Amished.

nothing to say about my hammer speech?

[RayFrost]

BOO YAH.

[RayFrost]

Mod, was there a scum QT we could see?

X:

I shall let the scum decide if you get to see the QT.

[RayFrost]

Well, scum... may we see the QT?

[RayFrost]

Well, QTs.