Mafia 104 - Revenge of the Crimson King - Game!

[RayFrost]

vote: vaya

one of the most lurktastic of lurkers I've ever seen (replaces out of 90% of games I've seen them in kind of lurker).

Obviously needs to die now.

[RayFrost]

Vote: RayFrost

We can't let this infidel take the fun out of RVS!!!

Obviously a chainsaw defense of vaya, so we have three scum already (including empking), man I love the RVS info.

unvote, vote: kise

kise needs to die first, I think he's the scum PR.

[RayFrost]

[quote="xRECKONERx"]Moar Kise votes plz[/quote

This.

[RayFrost]

You can't even properly use a quote tag. How do you expect to gain followers, mortal?

You can't even hide your obvious defending of your buddy. How do you expect to win, scum?

[RayFrost]

Hider? Stop rolefishing!

Obv misrep! Scum!

[RayFrost]

Clearly Socrates is the last scum.

GG everybody.

[RayFrost]

[quote="Kise"]Sorry. Gonna have to bus ya, buddy.

Unvote; Vote: Vaya

Distancing and all.[/quote

ITT scum give up the game.

[RayFrost]

I'm hating how the ] is deleted by me pressing the down arrow key, it's really annoying...

[RayFrost]

lol.

DAYKILLS FTW.

[RayFrost]

VOTE: Glork

I find something really annoying about his name. He also hasn't posted, so he is obv lurking scum.

He posted once.

I can't believe exalt is acting so scummy!

[RayFrost]

Man, you guys take the RVS way further than anything I've seen before.

I dunno if I should feel insulted or complimented.

[RayFrost]

Man, you guys take the RVS way further than anything I've seen before.

... And there's the first slip of the game.

Unvote: Riceballtail, Vote: Cyberbob

Tar, I have a lot of respect for you and imma let you finish, but can you explain what you are talking about here?

[RayFrost]

Tar, I have a lot of respect for you and imma let you finish, but can you explain what you are talking about here?

Yo RayFrost. I'm really happy for you and I'mma let you finish, but this is one of the best questions in Mafia 104 - Revenge of the Crimson King of all time.

Yo Exalt. I'm really happy for you and I'mma let you finish, but this is the best post quoting me of all time.

[RayFrost]

I think this is the scummiest post here. It's pretty obvious what Tar is referring to. People are RVSing it up, and usually the person that tries to show themselves as serious and waiting for RVS to be up is very likely to be scum.

I think its silly to ask Tar to clarify, and shows a subtle connection between you and Cyberbob.

Vote: RayFrost

What cyberbob said is true.

Anyways...

It is not obvious what Tar was talking about.

Wanting the RVS to be over in order to get some real discussion and scum hunting going on is pro-town, so that couldn't be a slip.

I didn't see anything that was really... noteworthy about Cyberbob's post, so I asked Tar to clarify.

Also, since when is asking for clarification a scum tell? It's a null tell

at best

, since it requests more information, it doesn't say "I think you are wrong cuz [flimsy reasoning]" or "I think you are wrong cuz [super awesome reasoning]." It just asks "what are you talking about here?"

Nice try, though.

pro tip: don't try to defend your scum buddies so much that you end up reaching for some reason to chainsaw defend (wait... isn't that a tell tar thought of? )

[RayFrost]

RF's post here seems overly defensive. Often if someone is overexplaining their actions it's because they have a guilty conscience. The RF/CB connection seems plausable.

Unvote:
Vote: RayFrost

1. I'm overly defensive, get over it.

2. I didn't explain my actions all that much, I was pointing out the flaws I saw in the action of the person voting me.

3. I fail as town, so yeah... I do have a guilty conscience.

4. The reason of the person quoting me for voting me was crappy, but the game is barely beginning, so I consider it valid to respond to any points made against me rather than ignoring it. It does this thing called promoting discussion.

5. you using a highly flimsy reason for voting me is noted.

Good day, monkeyboy~

[RayFrost]

... confirm your hypothesis that I'm going to defend myself from people's posts?

Congrats, u r a genius!!!11!!!111

[RayFrost]

MonkeyMan, how is Ray being

overly

defensive, and how does being defensive make Ray more likely to be scum?

I explained that over-defensiveness indicates guilty conscience.

I just think that the passion of his defence(it didn't really require the five or so sentences that he posted) wasn't equal to the level of attack.

ITT monkeyboy tries to convince the town that defending yourself to anything above some arbitrary extent is a scum tell.

[RayFrost]

Over defensiveness = defending yourself too much = scum tell

you said five or so sentences is too much

this is an arbitrary number

thus, I don't see a straw man.

[RayFrost]

Huh?

I am calling you monkeyboy cuz that's your designated nickname.

Glork will eventually be either Glorky or Glork...

Exalt is Exalt

Amished/VP is... VPA

nicknames are nicknames

[RayFrost]

Rehashing what you said before doesn't make it any more valid.

[RayFrost]

3. I fail as town, so yeah... I do have a guilty conscience.

What? I don't remember seeing this from you before.

MonkeyMan has made bad attacks like this before in the last game I played with him, but he seems to be doing it more this game.

But was he town or scum?


While Ray has been wordy, I don't think it's overdefensive just yet. He is a typically long winded poster.

Is this VP or A?

Either way, recent experiences of being found scummy in multiple different ways on multiple occasions as town have made me think I suck as town

[RayFrost]

RF's post here seems overly defensive. Often if someone is overexplaining their actions it's because they have a guilty conscience. The RF/CB connection seems plausable.

I disagree. I think RF defended himself enough.

4. The reason of the person quoting me for voting me was crappy, but the game is barely beginning, so I consider it valid to respond to any points made against me rather than ignoring it. It does this thing called promoting discussion.

Then why did you ignore my vote for you?

I didn't realize you had voted me. I've skimmed your posts cuz they are tl;dr for me. (seriously, do you

need

to do huge posts with a series of one liner responses to quotes?)

[RayFrost]

Wicked, what is/was your reason for voting me? (too lazy to find it myself)

[RayFrost]

Infinis is being replaced.

Pads hasn't had time to come on yet (inconsistent schedule).

I support the others.

[RayFrost]

Vaya never posts content within the first ten pages.

True story.

swimmer:

overdefensiveness is a scum tell only when you can tell the difference between it and defending yourself

your "Scum tell" on me is asking Tar for clarification because I didn't understand.

That's why it is a crap case.

[RayFrost]

Vaya never posts content within the first ten pages.

True story.

False.

I don't need a prod, I'll get caught up here in a little bit(within the next few days).

I've been in multiple games with you and you've yet to be active in any of them... >.>" you've been replaced

every

time.

Hence what I said.

[RayFrost]

I don't believe that swimmer has inside info at this point.

Yes, you are definately scum.

Unvote:
Vote: Swimmer4lyfe

No reasoning for vote and claim to believe swimmer is not scum is noted

[RayFrost]

I have a reason for my vote, and I'm not believing swimmer, clearly. Why are you word twisting?

lack of insider info = lack of information = not scum

No word twisting there

[RayFrost]

I noted you saying you don't think he's scum.

Now you're just misrepresenting me.

[RayFrost]

overdefensiveness is a scum tell only when you can tell the difference between it and defending yourself

your "Scum tell" on me is asking Tar for clarification because I didn't understand.

That's why it is a crap case.

I know the difference between overdefensiveness and defending oneself. Yours felt over the top.

My "scum tell" is Cyber's attempt to stay out of the spotlight, which I've already explained. Your subtle defense of him is noted, and I don't believe you when you say you don't understand. I found it to be obvious.

Tar has also stated pretty much exactly what I have said in that regards...why no suspicion on him?

- What is this "personal scumtell", exactly, and how is it applicable to both myself and Ray? I mean inductive logic is terrible at the best of times, but you're taking it one step further here.
- The reasons for your case being bad have already been covered. I don't feel like repeating what other people have said on the very same page.

How am I putting words in your mouth?

I've already explained what the personal scumtell is. Maybe you should read the thread.

This is putting words into my mouth:

You've got a serious self-fulfilling prophecy going on here, my friend. I'd bet a lot of money that if you'd been ignored you'd be going on about "omg scum coverup I'M ONTO SOMETHING HERE" instead

1. tar didn't

2. hardly a subtle defense when something isn't obvious - seems like you are buddying tar by saying what he said was obvious and attacking cyberbob and myself (the latter was a bad idea, though, scummy one)

3. cyberbob is being active now, and I don't see anything wrong with him for the time being

monkeyman:

so you think he's lying

what about?

what makes you think that?

[RayFrost]

You just did.

[RayFrost]

I distrust people who speak in absolutes on day 1.

Is an asbolute.

I distrust (implied all) people who speak in absolutes on day 1.

Asbolute

[RayFrost]

Sure, but you've already been called out for hypocrisy.

asbolutely wonderous, ain't it?

[RayFrost]

Mod: votecount?

RECKONER: opinions?

[RayFrost]

Everyone in the town is my buddy:).

obv lying scum.

I'm not his buddy.

[RayFrost]

Everyone

in the town

is my buddy:).

obv lying scum.

I'm not his buddy.

Obv you're not town then.

You didn't say "all townies" and you spoke in asbolutes again.

hypocrite

[RayFrost]

You're agreeing to being not-town. You're worse.

You said "in the town"

that includes scum/3rd party/town

null tell.


you spoke in asbolutes again

fail

[RayFrost]

You're agreeing to being not-town. You're worse.

You said "in the town"

that includes scum/3rd party/town

null tell.


you spoke in asbolutes again

fail

Well, I know I'm town. You're basically claiming 3rd party or scum, which is it?

third party mason jester rogue.

[RayFrost]

Christ. You guys pretty much could not have picked a stupider thing to argue about.

MonkeyMan: you aren't being as sharp and incisive as you think you are.

Ray: Just stop.

But, but... it's fun

[RayFrost]

How is swimmer town, Amished?

[RayFrost]

How is swimmer town, Amished?

hey monkey man, look, someone thinks I'm 100% scum.

Isn't that what you're voting me for? Why aren't you voting him?

I don't, nice misrep though.

I asked Amished what the source of his town read was. Nothing more or less.

[RayFrost]

No, it's not scummy to defend yourself. It is scummy to say "this is how I roll, just deal with it" when that "way that he rolls" is scummy.

That doesn't make any sense. "The way that he rolls" is to defend himself when attacked. You just called that both not-scummy and scummy in the same post.

Unvote, Vote: Swimmer

I said it was the way I roll to defend myself at length. <--- did you know this was the context?

[RayFrost]

thanks for clarification there.

unvote, vote:swimmer

play has only downslided, not improved, in read

[RayFrost]

EBWOP: And at the very top of the next page, you actually bothered to count. The paranoia comment still stands, though, because that was your kneejerk reaction.

you said that already >.>"

[RayFrost]

Post 202 is written by VP Baltar out of the pair (Assuming it is amished/VP).

For amished's posts, look for a lil " - A " at the bottom

Anyway, exalt vs. VPA currently feels like a town v town brawlout, but I'll get a more definite read later on.

I agree with most of page 203 and support the first product.

[RayFrost]

Okay, okay, break it up, break it up!

Lemme give you both the breakdown of how this be:

Exalt is town

VPBA is town.

Both are idiots for duking it out so much when they could just let this pathetic little argument simmer down so we can get back to scum hunting instead of letting people fly under the radar (seriously it's hard to notice when there are page long posts)

[RayFrost]

Well, both you and him have posted walls of text.

I'm not sure you

could

fly under the radar (especially when IGMEOY )

[RayFrost]

So, why are you so sure both of them are town, Ray?

It's my current read on them.

both sides have blown up over a small thing but have (imo) done decently on each side of their (imo) terrible cases. It feels like it isn't contrived.

[RayFrost]

Exalt, I know you get hyped up, but here's a note:

die in a fire is a

non-serious

internet term.

You should

not

take everything you read to be literal.

VP/Amished & Exalt:

would you both mind commenting on your thoughts elsewhere in the game? It's kinda hard to sift through who is and isn't contributing when you lot are

still

attacking each other.

Seriously.

Just agree to disagree.

Then move on.

It's gotten to the point where it's "ure scum! no ure scum!" argument.

Move. The. Fuck. On.

[RayFrost]

@Big Willy - Do you remember in Day & Night that whole Monkey Vs. BC situation? Both flipped town, and the case against Monkey was that he said BC was overreacting. Would you say we're seeing similar words/thought patterns from Monkey here? I need a 2nd opinion.

[RayFrost]

exalt you need to go back to grade school you dyslexic moron instead of banging on the keyboard with your baby rattle

*drowns in a half inch pool of muddy water*

I thought the dude above me asked for chill pills.

Also, personal attacks like this are, IIRC, against the rules.

so read the rules again.

carefully.

[RayFrost]

I hope that doesn't include me, xyl!

[RayFrost]

OOC: On a completely unrelated topic, where is everyone getting dem orange sunglasses from?

The finished teppen gurren lagan required them.

People are getting them by asking kison or jahudo

[RayFrost]

I think they either need to kill the noise, or become the D1 & D2 lynches.

Unvote, Vote: Kise

solely for the second half of that question. Two people who can't get along with each other is NOT a reason to lead two lynches. Makes me wonder if you're hoping someone will bite on the chance for a pair of early-game mislynches.

Isn't that pretty weak?

Like your vote isn't?

[RayFrost]

Exalt is Exalt
/quote]

Now that we know Exalt was a mafia godfather, time to look at who was defending him...

sounds like there could be a connection here...

FOS: RayFrost

Uh-huh, me using the fact I saw him play similarly o this as a

town role cop

has nothing at all to do with the fact I thought he was town.

[RayFrost]

Quickly once over: Kise probably isn't a member of the Jupiter Mafia, though I guess if there are two mafia groups he could be on the other one.

Swimmer is less likely to be a scum buddy than Monkeyman based on the post where Exalt origionally voted for swimmer.

Merkabah is not a member of the jupiter mafia.

Rayfrost declared Exalt to be town earlier. Not damning, but worth noting.

I agree with the swimmer & kise things

I agree with reservations about merkabah not being part of jupiter maf.

I had meta, my meta was wrong. This worth noting?

[RayFrost]

vote monkeyman

He seems like pseudo-protown.

His playstyle is circular, overexaggerating, and basically not really helpful; just seeming helpful.

Sorry for inactivity, especially since its so different from my other mafia.
I keep forgetting to post here after I post there.

Huge Fucking Finger of Suspicion: SolemnJ

Did you really just parrot what other people have been saying about MM, then said he's not being helpful but is only APPEARING helpful? If anything, I'd say you (aka Lurky McLurkerson) are the one who is being most unhelpful. I'm tempted to switch my vote to you... but I still like the MM lynch more.

I agree with this post, but I like a swimmer lynch moar.

[RayFrost]

Confused I had meta, my meta was wrong. This worth noting?

meh, as I said it isn't some damning piece of evidence that deserves being wagonned over, but it might be an interesting point to remember for later, as it certainly doesn't argue

against

you being exalt's scumbuddy.

If you agree with my point about swimmer, then why do you like his lynch more than Monkey? (have you said this already? I didn't check.)

swimmer is more likely to be

scum

, imo. Less likely to be exalt's

scum buddy

, but still likely to be

scum

.

I'll do a reread and see if I can make a well thought out, clear case of swimmer and one for monkey and determine which I like better when I'm not procrastinating in regards to writing a prospectus for a class.

[RayFrost]

Explain how I was "buddying" exalt.

Explain how glork was "buddying" exalt.

Explain how your "attacking" is any better than solemn's "attacking." (hint: posting more != better attacking)

[RayFrost]

@RayFrost:

Do you think swimmer and MM could BOTH be scum, or just one?

possibly both. I'd be more inclined to speculate on them being scum buddies after one died and flipped scum.

[RayFrost]

So...they're bussing??

Huh?

swimmer isn't going after MM.

MM has a (very) weak vote on swimmer while he's proclaiming suspicion elsewhere.

Not seeing the bussing.

Looks like distancing at best if they

are

scum buddies.

[RayFrost]

Explain how I was "buddying" exalt.

Explain how glork was "buddying" exalt.

Explain how your "attacking" is any better than solemn's "attacking." (hint: posting more != better attacking)

I've already explained my feelings on exalt...try reading.(Post 275)

I've posted multiple opinions on multiple posters, wheras solemn hasn't posted until now and joined the easiest bandwagon with poor reasoning.

Hint: attacking more != better attacking

[RayFrost]

righto, I won't bother then.

Wrong post number, monkeyboy?

[RayFrost]

righto, I won't bother then.

Wrong post number, monkeyboy?

I'm not responding to you again, you're being insulting.

I don't really see how I'm being insulting.

Would you be kind enough to point out how, so that I might alleviate this situation to the best of my abilities?

[RayFrost]

Hmmm... I like a swimmer lynch, but I can see the merits of Tar's case up there, and it makes sense to me (a bit hard to follow, but still makes sense @_@), so yeah

unvote, vote: MonkeyMan

[RayFrost]

Pads obviously hasn't read the thread:

he

replied to one of exalt's posts

exalt was mod owned.

pads needs to read.

[RayFrost]

Oh, I kinda skimmed his post, so I didn't notice

[RayFrost]

I'll

unvote

in light of the claim.

[RayFrost]

Plus, it makes you obv scum for claiming early - nervous scum

just in case my vote isn't on monkeyman...

unvote, vote: monkeyman

[RayFrost]

I do apologize.
I'm not keeping up with the thread like I should.

This mafia just bores me for some reason.

But my monkeyman vote was based on reading his posts. I still havent actually found the time to re-read the thread...

replace out so we can have active scum taht will reveal their buddies instead of inactive scum that won't.

kthx

[RayFrost]

Plus, it makes you obv scum for claiming early - nervous scum

just in case my vote isn't on monkeyman...

unvote, vote: monkeyman

Really? So, of all the places to put your vote on D1, you go with the only claimed town power role?

What better place to put it when hey claimed unnecessarily ,have acted scummy, and claim a role where scum could easily fake it by "targeting" their own for a few days and saying "they didn't do anything"

Besides, him vanishing is kinda suspicious.

Maybe my vote will get him to talk a bit more freely, considering he's going to die tonight in all likelihood if he's town? (read: if he's town, he should be sharing info, not fading into the background)

Summarily, I don't trust the claim for half a second.

[RayFrost]

@Ray: (you're gonna say you're town no matter what so just bear with me): If you were scum, who would you go after (attack/vote)?

Now think about who you should be voting.

Situationally, it depends on my partners, but assuming mnkeyman and cyberbob aren't...~

If I was scum, I'd jump on the cyberbob bandwagon cuz it'd be really easy to slide into that without being noticed.

If I was scum, I'd drop my previous townish read on cyberbob like it was a time bomb and vote cyberbob.

If I was scum, I'd ignore monkeyman, since he claimed.

If I was scum, I'd probably be scum with exalt and have bussed him.

All WIFOM of course.

Dunno how the if I'm scum things would influence how I'd vote.

[RayFrost]

There is so much scummy in this thread, I can hardly take it.

who?

other than me, that is

[RayFrost]

I feel that's three quick vote changes.

I feel that the above is scummy.

I feel that I won't vote cyberbob just yet.

[RayFrost]

Wimp.

You talkin' to me, punk?

[RayFrost]

I don't see any other wimps around.

You mean other than wysp, swimmer, vaya... [insert list of people that haven't really done anything of value]?

Besides, I don't think a "wimp" would stick to what he feels is the better choice over, say, jumping on what Merk says without showing any real consideration of anything in order to have an easy bandwagon (*coughvayacough*).

[RayFrost]

(*coughvayacough*).

A fair few more people than Vaya fall into this category.

I was stating the most obvious one.

[RayFrost]

I feel that's three quick vote changes.

I feel that the above is scummy.

I feel that I won't vote cyberbob just yet.

How was mine "quick" when I had said I would likely be looking to move it. Someone who is likely town based on information available makes a very convincing case, it's expected that people would look at it and consider it.

If Cyber flips scum, Ray is a likely buddy.

Ever heard of cautious town? Maybe you should look into that.

The fact I'm not voting immediately has to do with:

1. MM suddenly going inactive.

2. how quickly votes changed (I feel that, regardless of cyber being scum, how easily some people chose to simply hop onto a bandwagon is scummy)

3. I need to come to a conclusion on this.

[RayFrost]

Seraphim's flaked from the site, by the way.

[RayFrost]

Seraphim's flaked from the site, by the way.

No, he hasn't, he posted Wednesday. But I just noticed in his sig that he's declared himself semi-V/LA, which I'm going to take as an indicator that I should step up as primary mod until he's back.

One week deadline extension granted.

(But I can't edit the first post until my request for editing privileges goes through.)

oh, didn't notice cuz I saw one of his newbie games got abandoned...

[RayFrost]

prod on wysp going out?

no posts despite replacing swimmer.

[RayFrost]

Don't forget to read and post your thoughts on the other two at some point. I think once you do, you'll understand why players like Ray are hesitant to vote on the Cyberwagon.

Not sure how to feel about "players like Ray" >.>

[RayFrost]

@Glork: What do

you

think of those three players you tasked Rec to get a read on?

I second this.

[RayFrost]

phweet~

unvote, vote: snow_bunny

vaya hasn't posted enough to get a good read on.

SB, otoh, has done so and has ignited like fireworks into the sky~

[RayFrost]

By the time exams had finished everybody's suspicions were pretty much ironclad and there wasn't really anything I could say or do that would get people off my back.

Why so fatalistic?

[RayFrost]

Vaya was jumping on an easy wagon.

SB was p much jumping on an easy wagon too.

Same for RBT.

Glork and Merk are the only others voting you, AFAIK.

That's not all that many.

[RayFrost]

Optimal deadline lynches would be:

vaya

snow bunny

[RayFrost]

Also:

I said a few pages ago that this town was so scummy, I could barely take it. That wasn't a post made in jest.

This is part of the reason why I haven't been defending my lynch. Town seriously deserves to lose this one already.

I'm hurt...

[RayFrost]

Anyway, I need to keep track of my thoughts and suspicions, so I may end up ISOing the crap out of everybody... or not... haven't decided yet.

[RayFrost]

I'm including myself in there, don't worry.

I'm still hurt...

Am I really doing that badly?

[RayFrost]

So...

everybody but me?

[RayFrost]

Ray, can you please link me to the two most recent COMPLETED games you were in? I want to look at something.

I'll probably not find my most recently completed, so I'm just gonna go get the completed ones I have.

[RayFrost]

Okay, Glork. You asked for completed games.

Here you are. I obviously didn't include

all

my games (for example, I replaced out of a game where I was scum that had replaced in but was too busy to actually make any valuable posts at all)

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12554

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12241

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12351

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12278

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12375

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11892

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12173

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12076

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12179

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... c&&start=0

[RayFrost]

Also @Everyone - why have people been ignoring my posts?

They are bad.

Poor reasoning, etc.

[RayFrost]

Okay...

cyberbob isn't nearly as scummy as three players... *drum roll*

the number one winner of this is among the all time lowest posters of this game! she's undergone extreme attempts to stay under the radar while pointlessly bandwagoning on the coattails of somebody that seems obviously pro-town! you know her, you might even hate her, it's Snooooooowww bunnyyyyy!

Then, as a close runner up, probably the all time lowest poster in this game with a grand total of around 5 posts, one of which is a bandwagon on the coattails of merk, it's vaaaaaaayaaaaaaaaaa!

Lastly, far behind the others on this scale, it's RBT!!!

Give it up for your scum winners! Scum winners, head to the town square to get your prize!

Anyway, yeah, I think this summarizes my opinions right now.

Cyberbob is barely scummy when compared to the above three.

Seriously.

[RayFrost]

Ray, there are people who still haven't posted in the thread entirely, but you're focusing on Vaya? Sounds like "easy chainsaw" mentality.

Today, Cyber; tomorrow, Ray (if he flips scum for obvious chainsaw, which is going to happen).

I've asked for prods/replacement for those that haven't posted at all.

Vaya

has

posted and

has

pretty much

only

made a bandwagon vote on an easy bandwagon with actually no reasoning behind it (unless you count "what merk said is soooo good" as reasoning). Seriously, this is

the most noteworthy

thing that vaya has done the

entire

game. That's a

huge

scum tell for me.

Ummm... this isn't a very good chainsaw if

I'm going after the only ones that haven't made a case

.

All it does is, tbh... nothing.

Oh, btw, RBT.

Remember that time in pokemon mafia where I was defending sociopath while attacking you?

Remember how you were mafia and claimed "I'm coming after you for chainsaw" that game?

[RayFrost]

Convenient. You decide to "take a break from the game" just after you claim due to lots of pressure on you. Really convenient.

He also chose to take a few days off during Thanksgiving weekend, during which many people were on V/LA. Did that thought ever cross your mind?

No. I don't have Thanksgiving here in my country, and thus that didn't crossed my mind. Also, he took more than the weekend, mind you.

Going away when you are under pressure is not look good in my eyes. Period.

I didn't go away. I'm tired of people that accuse others of lurking that are less than active themselves...

ITT SB is a hypocrite and furthers the hole of obv scumminess.

ITT MM actually makes a good point.

ITT I keep track of things and tell people ITT

[RayFrost]

My read on cyberbob has nothing to do with me finding how quickly and easily certain players jumped onto the wagon scummy.

[RayFrost]

Oh gods, Muh is in this game?

Can I have a one shot vig plz?

[RayFrost]

Ummm... yes... a lot was wrong.

Anyway, I don't think I'll get a one shot vig, so... you just do your thing, kay?

[RayFrost]

The deadline is in 5 days.

[RayFrost]

"accidental" means somebody pretending they didn't realize it was L-1 in order to have a hammer

[RayFrost]

Did you accidentally

forget

the verb this time?

[RayFrost]

[quote="Socrates"]

@mod:Have either Wysp or Slicey picked up their prods? (They did get prodded right?)

If they haven't, thats two more replacements right there.

I am willing to hammer as soon as Sens and Muh are caught up.[/quote

Muh replaced wysp

[RayFrost]

simulpost and quot tag fail... I'm on a roll

[RayFrost]

CC - counter claim

[RayFrost]

Muh is one of the people I'd vig on N0 but not a person I'd ever want to waste a lynch on.

[RayFrost]

Sens:

opinion on monkeyman/swimmer/me & exalt/merk stuff?

[RayFrost]

ITT, Snow Bunny repeats what others have said in the last part of her post, which makes up the majority of text in it.

[RayFrost]

Oh, and hey guys...

If somebody fakeclaims a power role on day one, should the real one CC immediately or wait in a game like this?

I've been in situations before where it's come up, and it popped into my mind that I couldn't figure out when to CC.

[RayFrost]

^---- makes a good point for once, even though it is a nitpicky one

[RayFrost]

Kise-chan, nihongo o hanaseraremasenka?

[RayFrost]

I would like MonkeyMan to claim his target from last night, so that we may have somebody that did the kills or whatever.

[RayFrost]

MonkeyMan is lying.

I am, in fact, a tracker.

I tracked MonkeyMan last night.

He targeted Sensfan.

[RayFrost]

The reason I'm claiming despite the fact MM will obv die:

It's simpler. This way he

can't

weasel himself out of death.

MonkeyMan

is

scum.

oh, in case I hadn't already,

vote: monkeyman

[RayFrost]

Dude... getting desperate and being obv about it isn't how you live as scum. I guess you dying this game will teach you that.

I was the first person to call for your results for a

reason

. I had a track on you saying you targeted sensfan.

And sensfan died.

And you claimed a SB track.

Maybe I should see if I did place a breadcrumb like I thought I did... *goes off to do so... gets distracted... finally comes back to it...*

I really should keep track of my breadcrumbs.

ITT SB is a hypocrite and furthers the hole of obv scumminess.

ITT MM actually makes a good point.

ITT I keep

track

of things and tell people ITT

Anyway, my breadcrumbs suck, but I actually had some.

[RayFrost]

Umm...

you were about to get lynched

regardless

of what I did.

I could've easily just voted you without revealing a damned thing as scum and I'd have gotten away with it, too.

[RayFrost]

Lulwut?

I was the

first

to call for your results.

I'd never stopped being suspicious of you.

I seriously assume that people would be smart enough to realize that I could be a tracker.

Although I dunno my meta as a town PR, I can give you the only other finished game I have where I was one if you want.

I was a vig and there was a claimed vig (scum role cop) that I had to deal with. I CC'ed his ass.

We were at a stand still the entire game until a cop called an innocent on me.

[RayFrost]

Yawn.

Vote: MonkeyMan

No comment on me?

Also, is this Amished or VP?

[RayFrost]

Hey guys, read this

My only other game as a PR where I didn't die N1 as I replaced in without a single post in the game.

[RayFrost]

Skip to page 32 to see where I come in for that game I linked.

Also...

MM:

As scum, what is the value of claiming your role when you are, in fact, going to die without any such help?

---

I feel the need to prevent any attempt of you escaping death because I

know

you are scum. I tracked you with you being my

largest

suspect for 90% of D1, including the time CB was lynched.

You were the other claimed tracker. I didn't think there would be 2 trackers in the town (in the other game, I asked about how that would balance for a game like that one, except it was two vigs)

You claimed the person you didn't in fact target.

I claimed to

ensure

this was known.

[RayFrost]

Yeah, RF, the person you CC'd was the 3rd of 3 scum in a row that we lynched (all after your CC). We had bigger fish to fry; but we needed your claim there to get the information for that 3rd lynch. Here, we didn't need your {RF's} claim. "Similar" situation (only the CC'ing part, really); completely different need and motivation.

>.<" Amished, I can't tell the

fuckin'

friggin' difference between these situations.

That blunt enough for yah? I feel they are the same.

[RayFrost]

After reading post 832, I thought of something that'd have been brilliant for me-scum to have done!

CC MM

as his scum partner

!

This way, I get the town cred after he flips!

Yeah, you guys should totally suspect me even if he flips scum, thinking about it.

[RayFrost]

MM:

just a question here...

are you saying I breadcrumbed tracker

twice

D1 and kept

constant

watch on you through D1 all to set up that you would mess up D2 and I could ride the coattails of you dying?

[RayFrost]

MM:

just a question here...

are you saying I breadcrumbed tracker

twice

D1 and kept

constant

watch on you through D1 all to set up that you would mess up D2 and I could ride the coattails of you dying?

Actually, scratch that.

Does anybody see me doing this?

I'm sincerely curious.

[RayFrost]

Here: We have a dead tracker already; MMan was scummy before and was flailing pretty hard today. I don't think anybody could've really swayed us from lynching him. You claim anyways; not especially helping the situation as we were going to come to the conclusion to lynch him. If you *were* town tracker, I would've expected you to wait to see. If he was gonna get lynched, then you can go on tracking undercover. If he wasn't/wagon was slowing down: then you could've claimed and got it back around to the right target.

There's a huge difference between the two games.

-A

Okay, I see it now.

I think this is the last time I should be a PR... (though I bet I'll end up being one again... )

I'm too CC happy.

[RayFrost]

Yes. Scum tracker is plausible.

So you sincerely believe that I foresaw MM stupidly messing up on D2?

You

really

think that?

[RayFrost]

Okay.

So I'm scum that wasn't scum in anybody's mind (as far as I know, I was town or neutral on like... 90% of the lists) that wanted to solidify being town by CC'ing somebody about to die.

I'm also scum for what other reasons...?

[RayFrost]

socrates:

pads did, I was thinking more along the lines of neutral than town

Amished:

So I'm fail town.

Sue me.

How about this:

You lynch me today and then when I flip town tracker you lynch MM.

Deal?

[RayFrost]

Kise:

thoughts regarding me?

[RayFrost]

I tracked Merk - no result.

I did so because my gut told me it was a good idea...

and Merk's play yesterday felt odd (not scummy, just odd).

[RayFrost]

Problem with muh:

In aforementioned newbie game, muh was town. His play was pretty much the same as this game: bad.

I'll be fine with a muh lynch

only

if there are no better alternatives (

vote: vaya

before I forget).

Muh is one of the really obv newb players I've seen that play scummily/poorly p much regardless of alignment.

Because of this, I feel that lynching him will do the following:

1. provide no information

2. lynch somebody worthless to any side they are on

3. not help town

I feel that muh is an empty lynch that is only useful for those that want to "play it safe" to avoid suspicion.

[RayFrost]

Muh:

Give your reads on

all

players.

Who do you think is town? Why?

Who do you think is scum? Why?

Who are you not sure of? Why?

[RayFrost]

It's a game I'm ashamed of (I lurked hardcore... ), and I forgot the link.

Lemme find it.

[RayFrost]

Anyway, this was the game:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

[RayFrost]

Note:

it seems to me that people bugged muh into doing any scumhunting of some sort.

[RayFrost]

I'm sorry, but who did muh replace?

Looking at it from

muh's

contributions, the lynch provides no value. Virtually no interactions with anybody.

[RayFrost]

My thoughts on who needs to die:

vaya

empking

pads

muh (assuming the others aren't viable)

my keyboard for an annoying "a" key that repeatedly gets stuck.

Willing to say why if asked.

Socrates:

If you think vaya is scum, why are you not voting for 'im?

[RayFrost]

see earlier posts on vaya

empking is somebody I hate playing with, and he's lurking even more than usual (which is nearly impossible)

pads has all but vanished from posting despite his high activity earlier

Mod: prod pads

[RayFrost]

Why, how nice of the magnificent pads to grace us with is presence after his multi-day absence.

[RayFrost]

Hmmm...

annachie tossing out the stuff being tossed out is getting a hint of bad juju.

I feel the muh comment was trying to redirect VPB's attention.

I agree with VPB that muh is an easy a fook target, which is why he's a LoLR (lynch of last resort) for me.

re pads:

1. the gracing us with your presence thing was a joke, not an attack. (side note: annachie jumping on this to make it an attack is scummy)

2. I chose you out of the people that were inactive because I didn't remember that you were in the game until I read the player list. And you were posting in the you know which game.

3. I came to the conclusion that MM's play was not only similar to TTGL but also that his claim was poorly performed. So I revoted. Then I tracked him. Then I got back he killed sensfan.

Assuming two scum teams, your best conclusion here is the following:

1. I'm either town tracker or tracker for the opposing scum team

To be honest, I don't expect you to be trusting me at any point in time - I reacted too quickly to the claim, which led to me backtracking with new/remembered information, which led to this.

Regardless... I've got some iso reading to do. ta-ta~

[RayFrost]

lol. I haven't suggested lynching Muh. I'm just asking why Merk and Kise seem to be defending him so much.

Muh, come back to us and tell us what you think.

I decided to do the iso thing on Muh for myself, and Reckoner I disagree. Whole lot of nothing, but typical and neutral. Neutral. Biggest indicator:

Date of Birth: 09 Nov 1994

Kise, you got some things to answer though.

lulwut?

I'm 15.

July 22 1994.

I'm pretty sure age doesn't indicate a damned thing.

[RayFrost]

So you want to lynch me because my playstyle was different from the last game. Yes it is. And not because im scum, because I have a personal life. Now I see it this way. A scum would never try to change his playstyle instead be as townish as he was before. Thats what we should look for here. And whats an ISO? sorry about the lame question.

And pads im not 12. And believe it or not manga is a popular thing these days. Thats why its in my avatar. and I dont think im playing with educated 21 year olds or 40 year olds.

Ignoring the WIFOM...

iso is that thing at the bottom of the page that says "posts by: all users" where you can click the all users thing and click a name then click go and read just their posts.

Age doesn't dictate ability.

Now post some real content.

Now.

[RayFrost]

Let's please just lynch muh already, k?

Try getting a bettter reason. Then everybody will consider it

Try posting content. Then you won't be so

annoying

scummy.

[RayFrost]

Zoraster is correct.

Annachie's post is OMGUS.

Annachie is scummy now.

Commencing Vote.

Unvote, Vote: Annachie

[RayFrost]

You know, I get goosebumps from the thought of a merk/tar/zor scum team if only from the pure awesome that would result... I honestly don't think I'd be able to figure them out. It's making me paranoid. Yet I still trust them cuz they seem town >.<"

[RayFrost]

@Ray: Look out for that too townie fallacy. You're climbing in suspicion, especially as of late.

I'm just saying what comes to mind. I'm not saying anybody else should suspect you or that you are in fact suspicious. In fact, I've pretty much said I think you guys are

town

.

[RayFrost]

Vaya independent of anna - I still don't like the play really. Comes in, hops onto a bandwagon like "whee bandwagon roxors!1!11!" (exaggeration obviously) and then vanishes.

If Anna flips scum, I'd be staring at the muh wagon.

If Anna flips town, I'll be looking at the people that jumped on with flimsy reasons (myself included, as I don't really know what else to add on it past what zor/you/etc have said).

[RayFrost]

Hey, you forgot to berate me as well, glork! :/