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Really? No more Kise votes? ;( Awww. You disappoint me. ALL OF YOU.
Unvote, Vote: MonkeyMan
I guess I'll have to settle for the one looking for anything he can twist into being scummy. I honestly don't see how it could be seen as overly defensive scum... he seemed to just be responding to the fact that swimmer called his post "silly" and said it showed a scum-connection. If someone tried to callmeout on that, I'd have a similar response.green shirt thursdays-
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Pads gave MM an easy out, and he took the bait. Please, MM, show me these "several times" when you said you were exaggerating your case just to put pressure on him.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Thank you for recognizing this. I stated several times that my case was being exaggerated. It was never meant to be taken as a "me or him" situation. I was not "utterly convinced". I use my words with conviction and use my votes liberally, even in early game. Putting pressure on people gets reactions, and that was my ultimate goal.Pads wrote: Monkey took his early case far too serious. It was a weak case, which is fine for getting the game moving. But if he was just trying to get the game moving, he would have known that and not been so utterly convinced of it.green shirt thursdays-
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MM wrote:Thank you for recognizing this. I stated several times thatmy case was being exaggerated. It was never meant to be taken as a "me or him" situation. I was not "utterly convinced". I use my words with conviction and use my votes liberally, even in early game.Putting pressure on people gets reactions, and that was my ultimate goal.
Sorry - allow me to rephrase.
Show me where you said your case was being exaggerated (the overdefensive thing?) and also show me where you implied you were just trying to pressure for reactions.green shirt thursdays-
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So, why are you so sure both of them are town, Ray?RayFrost wrote:Okay, okay, break it up, break it up!
Lemme give you both the breakdown of how this be:
Exalt is town
VPBA is town.
Both are idiots for duking it out so much when they could just let this pathetic little argument simmer down so we can get back to scum hunting instead of letting people fly under the radar (seriously it's hard to notice when there are page long posts)green shirt thursdays-
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Yes, I do remember that. While I do think we're seeing similar thought patterns here, I don't think it means we should discredit Monkey's overeagerness to get a shady lynch going.Kise wrote: @Big Willy - Do you remember in Day & Night that whole Monkey Vs. BC situation? Both flipped town, and the case against Monkey was that he said BC was overreacting. Would you say we're seeing similar words/thought patterns from Monkey here? I need a 2nd opinion.green shirt thursdays-
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SolemnJ wrote:vote monkeyman
He seems like pseudo-protown.
His playstyle is circular, overexaggerating, and basically not really helpful; just seeming helpful.
Sorry for inactivity, especially since its so different from my other mafia.
I keep forgetting to post here after I post there.
Huge Fucking Finger of Suspicion: SolemnJ
Did you really just parrot what other people have been saying about MM, then said he's not being helpful but is only APPEARING helpful? If anything, I'd say you (aka Lurky McLurkerson) are the one who is being most unhelpful. I'm tempted to switch my vote to you... but I still like the MM lynch more.green shirt thursdays-
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I'm guessing Wysp's scumminess is based solely on swimmer's previous actions. What do you think of his decision to replace out?Empking wrote:Wysp is still the scummiest player.
Glork: Did you say why you FOS's me? (In a later post you acted like everybony knew why but I can't find the actual reason.)green shirt thursdays-
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...Vote: SolemnJ.
I chose to iso him again and it's just a bit repulsive that he's been allowed to lurk this much. One joke vote. Another semi-joke post. An "I'm catching up post". And then the awful awful vote on MM.green shirt thursdays-
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1) I iso'd Solemn because I remembered I had given him a huge FoS, and hadn't remembered him contributing much. Then I realized... it's because he's contributed nothing.Glork wrote:
1) Why did you choose to iso Solemn?xRECKONERx wrote:...Vote: SolemnJ.
I chose to iso him again and it's just a bit repulsive that he's been allowed to lurk this much. One joke vote. Another semi-joke post. An "I'm catching up post". And then the awful awful vote on MM.
2) Who else (if anyone) did you choose to iso?
--2b) Why did you choose to iso these other players?
--2c) What results did your other iso(s) produce?
3) What else did you go back and read?
2) Nobody else yet. I've been in and out all day (Thanksgiving Break apparently means professors assign ridiculous amounts of projects due in two days), so I just iso'd Solemn and made that post.
3) See 2.green shirt thursdays-
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If I didn't know that Kise's VLA claim was in fact legit, I'd be very suspicious.
In any case, I don't think lynching the un-CC'd tracker is the right move. Maybe he's lying, but I'm sure the unrevealed tracker and watcher can confirm or deny that tonight. We already got a free gift with Exalt being modkilled, so I think it's a smart move to NOT lynch the claimed tracker today. Despite how scummy he's been.
Vote: Cyberbob
For obvious reasons. This vote may seem scummy, but I *did* iso him earlier, but I'm at a friends house drinking right now, so I can't get on to post my notes. Coming tomorrow.green shirt thursdays-
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Snow Bunny iso:
First, she random votes MM, then unvotes and votes him again? Seems like someone isn't paying attention and is just throwing down votes where she sees fit.
She echoes her thoughts, saying that the swimmer wagon is scummier than swimmer, and specifically points out MM, Ray, and RBT. After MM has the tracker claim, she unvotes and says she has some suspicions on RBT, Tar, and Cyber, but nothing solid.
Really? So you just conveniently go from tunneling on MM to thinking the most convenient lynch candidate at the moment is another option for you?
And, how convenient. Point to Merka's 444 as a reason to vote Cyber. Reaaally convenient.Suspiciouslyconvenient.green shirt thursdays-
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RBT iso:
His RVS vote on Empking is apparently semi-serious, based solely off of the fact that he's usually on opposing sides as Empking. I personally think this is a bullshit reason to policy lynch someone. Having problems with their playstyle, sure. See: zwet. But not because random odds have shown you two to be on opposite sides.
Says MM/swim are scum together, because swimmer is defending MM and going after Ray with little reasoning for both. Calls it newbscum (horrid reasoning).
Says here that MM's vote for swimmer is reasonless. Hurm. Kinda like RBT's original vote on MM? Yeah.
Echoes my post and contorts it to say that Pads is the third person on the scum team. RBT votes Cyber a few moments later, but doesn't even MENTION Cyber in her vote post, and instead tries to keep suspicion on MM.
Then, when Ray calls her out on it, she says if Cyber flips scum, Ray is his scumbuddy.
Still, after all of this, I get SLIGHTLY townier vibes from RBT than I do from Snow Bunny or Vaya. Vaya has been lurking too much to get a full read on, though it does seem opportunistic.green shirt thursdays-
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RBT has been more helpful (or at least attempted to more helpful) than SB in my opinion. Oh, look at how SB doesn't pay me any attention, then as soon as I vote her she goes digging for stuff to vote me. OMGUS-like behavior. Also, I believe I implied that Vaya was scummy, but hadn't posted enough to get a real read on, WHICH IS WHY I CHOSE TO VOTE FOR SB.Wickedestjr wrote:Glork wrote:Wicked: Why don't you like Reckoning's suspicions?
The reasoning behind his suspicions isn't very convincing. Also, are reads on those three players seem to be complete opposites. I think Snow_Bunny is town, he thinks she is scum, I think Riceballtail is scum, yet he thinks she is town. I can't get a read on Vaya, yet xRx seemed pretty sure that she was scum. It bothers me that we have such different ideas.
Yes, I said I'd have to look up my notes on Cyber, but they're not here anymore thanks to my Mac's "awesome battery life" not lasting the timespan it took me to run and grab food the morning after I got back from my friend's house. Icouldgo back and re-write my thoughts, but to me, that sounds like a waste of my time based on my current feelings towards Vaya/SB.green shirt thursdays-
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1: Are you really asking my why helpfulness = pro-town? What kind of question is that?Wickedestjr wrote:
1: So? Why does that indicate that she is town? Also, what exactly gave you a townier vibe from RBT?xRx wrote:1: RBT has been more helpful (or at least attempted to more helpful) than SB in my opinion. 2: Oh, look at how SB doesn't pay me any attention, then as soon as I vote her she goes digging for stuff to vote me. OMGUS-like behavior. 3: Also, I believe I implied that Vaya was scummy, but hadn't posted enough to get a real read on, WHICH IS WHY I CHOSE TO VOTE FOR SB.
2: The points she brought up against you were things that occurred after her previous post.
3: Where did you say that? Here you said;
and that post seemed like you actually thought she was scum.xRx wrote:Aaaand I just iso'd Vaya. Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Unvote, Vote: Vaya
Really? A post from over a week ago stating you'll get caught up in the next few days, then a reasonless vote on Cyberbob, then a post calling for more Cyber votes?
2: Were they, now?
3: Are you completely ignoring my following post?green shirt thursdays-
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I actually believe the VT claim. Ugggh. Or do I? It seems earnest and I feel like scum trapped in a corner would come out with a power role claim instead of a VT claim. *mind explodes from the WIFOM*
Unvote, Vote: Snow Bunny
If we can't get another decent wagon going before deadline, I'll hop back on Cyber.green shirt thursdays-
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A loss of a town member is a loss of a town member. While a VT might be less valuable than, say, a doctor or cop, I'd still prefer lynching scum over lynching VT.
That's my biggest hangup with the Cyberbob lynch atm - it's not usual for scum to claim VT. If they're going down, they're going to try and draw out a counterclaim for a power role.green shirt thursdays-
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Honestly (and I've said this from the start): I still like a Cyberbob lynch for a D1 lynch (information-wise, at least) but I absolutely think other players have been scummier, and would prefer a different (see: Snow_Bunny) lynch.
Though, SB is apparently not around, because I prodded her for another game like five days ago and she hasn't picked it up yet. *sigh* I have no idea what to do at this point.
Mod: Can we get a prod on SnowBunny/replacement?green shirt thursdays-
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He should definitely wait. I just used that scum-claiming-power-role tactic in two off-site games in order to draw out the power role, and I can honestly say it's better to wait until later on. Though, I also don't think it's the right play to LYNCH the claimed power role.RayFrost wrote:Oh, and hey guys...
If somebody fakeclaims a power role on day one, should the real one CC immediately or wait in a game like this?
I've been in situations before where it's come up, and it popped into my mind that I couldn't figure out when to CC.green shirt thursdays-
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Ahh. Gotcha.
Honestly, I'd prefer any number of lynches over the Cyber lynch, but I see two positives to the Cyber lynch:
1) It's a sure-fire lynch before deadline tomorrow, unless another bandwagon picks up serious steam.
2) We'll probably gain quite a bit of information once he flips.
There are still other lynches I prefer, but Cyber isn't a bad D1 lynch.green shirt thursdays-
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I like how your objective observations are littered with passive aggressive opinions. And you've got all the subtlety of an elephant, too.Snow_Bunny wrote:So, deadline is tomorrow and we don't have a lynch yet? Nice...
@People who haven't voted: What are you exactly waiting for?
I even remember the opportunistic comment of RECK saying that he would jump back to Cyber if he couldn't get a mislynch with me.
Seeing as how nobody seems to be jumping on the AWESOME Snow_Bunny wagon, I'm going to put Cyber at L-1.
Vote: Cyber
Lynch a VT > No lynch.green shirt thursdays-
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