Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

[Parama]

First post.

Vote: CSL

Policy Lynch.

[Parama]

I only feel like quoting Nikanor atm.

Are you serious when you say Parama is scum, Drip?

LOLOLOLOL buddy much?

I am that good.

No you're not.

I agree with this. But it doesn't mean anything.

It's because Drip twice said that she wanted Parama lynched, Anon. Saying it once is random, saying it twice means to me that she has something.

I think [insert playername] is scum.
BTW, [insert playername] is scum.
So obviously [insert playername] is scum.
Which means [insert playername] is scum.
Which implies that- *gets shot*
So I guess we're lynching Nikanor.
Cool. You guys do that, I'm not against it.
I'm also not against lynching CSL.
My vote stays. I don't feel like jumping on an RVS-esque wagon atm.

[Parama]

RVS is lame. Policy lynches are awesome.

[Parama]

Vote: Nikanor

I don't like him. I think he's scum.

L-1, by the way.

My friends, Nik is scum and so is CSL.

We caught scum on page 3! Awesome.

CSL's still a policy lynch, but scum is fine anyways.
Did we overhammer Nik? xD

[Parama]

Nvm, he's at L-1.
Anyways I feel a claim is in order, anyone else agree?

[Parama]

EBWOP: He's not.
I still don't understand the wagon very well, seems like RVS logic to me, but I'm not against it. Regardless, not going to vote to put him at L-1, and CSL is still a better lynch.

[Parama]

Sweet, I killed RVS.
CSL is still a policy lynch, if he's scum then that's just a bonus on the side.

[Parama]

I only feel like quoting Nikanor atm.

Are you serious when you say Parama is scum, Drip?

LOLOLOLOL buddy much?

Kids, if you want a textbook example of distancing, look no further than the above post. Parama is taking time out of his busy schedule to single out his scumpal, to point out that his scumpal is buddying up to me.

HE WOULD KNOW

. Especially when considering the quote below (note the planet-size contradiction):

I'm also not against lynching CSL.
My vote stays. I don't feel like jumping on an RVS-esque wagon atm.

Meh, if Nik flips scum I'll gladly take the next lynch. I mean, scum do often buddy up with townies to set up mislynches, and I'm one of those townies, but I can't fault you for using WIFOMish logic. Oh wait.

[Parama]

What's the policy?

Laziness, silly reasons for stupid actions, stuff like that.
I can't discuss the other games I've played with him because they're both ongoing.

[Parama]

Meh, if Nik flips scum I'll gladly take the next lynch. I mean, scum do often buddy up with townies to set up mislynches, and I'm one of those townies, but I can't fault you for using WIFOMish logic. Oh wait.

If Nik flips scum, you'll gladly take the next lynch -
(1) If you're town, that's absurb; you wouldn't give up and defend yourself.
(2) If you're scum, that's WIFOM-planting if Nik is your buddy, and not really something you'd say if he were town and you knew it.

You're the one introducting WIFOM to the argument. And besides, do you know who brings up WIFOM everytime they're painted into a corner? Scumz. That's who.

I'm trying to show you how absurd your argument is. Just because I pointed out Nik was buddying me makes me scum? And I'll take the lynch because you'll lynch me anyways regardless of my alignment. Scum buddy up with townies. It's a common move. WIFOM, yes. Does it mean I'm scum? Maybe.

[Parama]

Hey Para! You seem nothing like what I remember of you in Killers Mafia II. Nothing at all. What happened?

Killers Mafia II = me failing at mafia.
Anyways I don't agree with your logic of lynching me if Nik is scum. Meh.

[Parama]

Not lynching CSL like they should be.
Don't even try to misrep me by saying I'm trying to switch the target.

[Parama]

Go ahead and lynch Nikanor. Just make sure CSL dies first.

[Parama]

I see why you guys think Nik is scum.

Vote: camn.

I've never played with KMD before, but I hear he's a good player. If he hasn't found scum by now, I'd be surprised.

^ following an RVS vote for a stupid reason

Are you serious when you say Parama is scum, Drip?

^ potential maf defending potential buddy

It's because Drip twice said that she wanted Parama lynched, Anon. Saying it once is random, saying it twice means to me that she has something.

^ more of the same

I'm not saying Nik isn't scum. I'm saying CSL is a better lynch.

[Parama]

Aforementioned policy +

Vote: Nikanor

I don't like him. I think he's scum.

L-1, by the way.

Pretty quick to put him to L-1 right there. And a lack of reasoning in his vote.

[Parama]

YEAH SCUM SHOULD DIE LYNCH CSL
I'm personally finding this game hilarious. Just me.

[Parama]

Saying I'm a better lynch because it's a policy is scummy. Haven't I said that before?

Anyways, I still thought this was RVS. Guess it's not.

unvote

It's not just policy. It was at first.

[Parama]

First vote of the game = me voting CSL.
I don't bus in RVS.
Ellibereth is endorsing a policy lynch because of a game I played with him a while back (Mafia 106) where I played terribly because I was newer. Not noobclaiming. I'm not a newbie. But anyways I don't think that game represents my meta.

[Parama]

My case is not that strong. I will admit that. I still see CSL as a better lynch.

[Parama]

Let's base my meta on a game where I sucked as town!

[Parama]

You've been pushing it awful hard for a weak case.

The only other case is on Nikanor, and my read on CSL is greater than my read on Nikanor. Plus, it's hard to build a strong case on someone who's posted 2 or 3 times.

[Parama]

First vote of the game = me voting CSL.
I don't bus in RVS.

Ehwhat scumclaim?

If I was scum I wouldn't bus in RVS.

[Parama]

This is actually stupid. You shouldn't policy lynch because of one damn game. Get a fucking grip on a game, and forget about the damn policy lynch.

It's not just policy anymore.

[Parama]

I think Parama is looking for an easy lynch. Distracting from the Nikanor lynch. Nikanor, who has vanished, like a good little scum giving up.

I wanted a CSL lynch before anyone even though of a Nikanor lynch.
My reasons have changed.
I still want a CSL lynch.

You've been pushing it awful hard for a weak case.

The only other case is on Nikanor, and my read on CSL is greater than my read on Nikanor.

Plus, it's hard to build a strong case on someone who's posted 2 or 3 times.

This does not at all explain why you're pushing an admittedly weak case so hard. If that bolded bit is you saying it's hard to build a case in order to justify why your case is weak then you really need to explain why you're pushing it.

Well at this point if I dropped the CSL case you would call me scum, and if I kept pushing it you'd call me scum. Plus CSL obviously hasn't read the thread if he thinks my vote on him is purely policy.

First vote of the game = me voting CSL.
I don't bus in RVS.

Ehwhat scumclaim?

If I was scum I wouldn't bus in RVS.

Why not?[/quote]
Too obvious for starters.
Plus, I don't think scum bus their partner using the reason of Policy (WIFOM I GET IT.)
What I am not the denying - the possibility that I might be scum.

[Parama]

You RVed CSL before anyone wanted a Nik lynch.

So you're pushing your weak case so we don't think you're scum? It's clearly not working.

Fine.

Unvote: CSL

Not too obvious. Enlighten me if you want my vote off you.

Nobody thinks you're confirmed townie. I never get why people bother to say they might be scum.

Nono keep your vote on me. I don't mind.

[Parama]

BRB gonna try to act even scummier

[Parama]

I have a post restriction that forces me to look scummy.
Obviously.

FoS: Parama

[Parama]

Nah I'm bored of arguing.

[Parama]

Actually, screw it. You all can lynch me tomorrow if you want.

I already called being lynched tomorrow if Nikanor's scum. You can be lynched if he's townie though.

[Parama]

I replaced csl after he wad forcibly removed after voting himself to l-1. Since then for meta defence I found six games where he self voted. I am unsurprised by his play here. I think those who went after nik and csl, assuming nik is town, are most likely.

WOW, that's definitely (1) vig-meat or (2) utility-lynch if the vig has mush for brains.

We should form a club of players that will NK CSL on sight as top priority whenever we have a killing role: mafia, vig, SK, daykill, etc.

I'm in the "Kill CSL ASAP club" if you didn't notice.
Also, since it seems day is in fact not over,

Vote: CSL

[Parama]

Nvm, he's at L-1.
Anyways I feel a claim is in order, anyone else agree?

NO it was a stupid f**king wagon. Nik was not buddying to you. The man was trying to see whether he should agree with Drip's scum assessment of you, likely to determine if he would vote for you. There IS merit to Goof's belief that Nik could have been cop-fishing, but the people who voted Nik weren't even going off that.

I haven't even commented on the Nik wagon much. Like I said, not against it, but not voting on it. I don't quite care about the specifics of the Nik wagon and am content with tunneling on CSL, thank you.

[Parama]

I haven't even commented on the Nik wagon much. Like I said, not against it, but not voting on it. I don't quite care about the specifics of the Nik wagon and am content with tunneling on CSL, thank you.

Perhaps you're afraid he's a townie because he's not in the same scumgroup as you? Have no fear! He could be from another group, or be a serial killer!

If he's killer I'm jealous.

[Parama]

Parama
55 First of all why did you feel like only addressing matters Nikanorian? Second, who is he supposed to have been buddying?

1. I didn't see anything I felt like responding too though I felt commenting on some of his posts worth my time.
2. Buddying me of course.

79 You seem pretty gungho on Nik before asserting here that it's RVS logic. And that you don't have a problem with an RVS logic lynch.

Yes I agree this post fails.

106 Anti-town town or confident scum.

Or trying to say how ridiculous the argument is by making a ridiculous post. Yes that was sarcasm.

115 Here's where the confusion over who you think he was buddying comes from.

Nah you guys just got confuse yourselves. This is where I'm confirming the statement that Nik was trying to buddy me.

140 Why the hell is CSL such a great lynch?

This.
Plus recent events like his attempt to hammer Nikanor without a claim.

149 Hate.

I'm actually seeing how many scummy things I can do D1 in the limited amount of time we have.

151 Not policy anymore. Because?

It stopped being solely policy as soon as CSL posted.

158 Pushing admittedly weak case.

Scum read on CSL > scum read on Nikanor. It's hard to push a case nobody else agrees with and refuses to see the value in.

165 Admits that it's hard to support his case.

It's hard to support it based on CSL's posts alone. Well, it was at the time. It's a lot easier to support now.

[Parama]

Yeah I've sorted out my suspects.

FoS Parama Nikanor CSL

I'm glad you're finally realizing how scummy CSL is.

[Parama]

PARAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PARAMA!!!!

KYLE -> CADES
YOU -> CSL

Do you see any similarities?
(People other than Parama don't comment kthx. You won't get it, I don't feel like explaining).

Not really. Kyle was scum tunneling on town. I'm town tunneling on scum. There's no similarities at all.

Thank you, I'll be here all day.

[Parama]

I was responding to Ellibereth's question.

[Parama]

nvm, I got some time now.

First, about the action: It does have an effect. It proves Ythan is gullible
Second, the Nik wagon: Worst... Wagon... EVER...
Third, Hayl's engagement: Aren't you like, 18???
Fourth, lurkerscum accusations: lurker after one RL day? REALLY?
Fifth, personal opinions: No need to lynch CSL yet, if there's a vig he'll prolly shoot him at some point or another.

unvote

just in case

vote:Parama

much better wagon to have if you ask me.

Let's not mention me at all in a post where you vote me! YAY!

[Parama]

He said you were a better wagon.

@ dramonic: Why am I a better wagon?

25-28 is called scum giving up.

Actually, I can't seem to take this game seriously yet, if it matters.

[Parama]

Actually, I can't seem to take this game seriously yet, if it matters.

So you wouldn't mind helping us out and hammering Nikanor, right?

Actually, after his recent posts, I wouldn't mind.

unvote

, vote:

Nikanor

testing something here btw

[Parama]

You're an idiot. Don't fake-vote.

I didn't fake unvote.

[Parama]

I'm thinking we lynch clergy now

vote: A clergyman with a hoop

[Parama]

unvote, vote Nikanor

random hammer mode activate

[Parama]

unvote, vote Nikanor

random hammer mode activate

I want to tear my hair out.

Yeah sorry it would be pretty hard to get you lynched today so I'm hoping the vig takes care of CSL so I can tunnel you tomorrow.

[Parama]

Clergy is still scum.

[Parama]

wow.

Ok, I don't know if hoopy fruity will agree with me, but something stinks to high heaven about all this.

Can I point out that Nikanor got pulled up for role fishing in the most dubious of circumstances while drip has been ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING FOR HIM TO CLAIM without anyone batting an eyelid?

I'm so uncool with this wagon, and these tetchy jumpy people knocking it between L-1 and L-2.

DERAIL THAT PUPPY.

vote: clergyhoop

quicklynch before they get online plz

[Parama]

that's one post that shows why we should lynch clergy
there are plenty more
nothing has changed since D1 twilight - clergy is still scum regardless.

[Parama]

Oh geez I need to ISO MAB brb

[Parama]

This first:

Unvote

Nikanor is town. This wagon should be ashamed of itself.

Anyways.
Actually, screw it. This also.

My pages are loading extremely slowly for some reason, but would anyone mind explaining why CSL is already being considered scum so soon in the game? I understand Nik and all that, but not-so much why everyone's turning heads at CSL. perhaps I missed something.

This stands out to me in particular. MaB, do you really understand why people thought I was scum?

I can't really give good analysis on my wagon because it's so mind-numbingly stupid. I would look at the people who just echoed 'Yes, he's scum' with Drip. MaB in particular stands out to me because it looks like she's trying to push my wagon while not voting me, and at the same time trying to blend in with the 'o ya Nik's scum' attitude. She's my top suspect for this post.

^ Good post. This is the clearest, most compelling piece of logic I've seen all game (which still doesn't say much). Nikanor needs to be avenged with a MaB lynch tomorrow.

derp
vote stays
MaB needs to post more

[Parama]

MaB. You said you understood the wagon on Nik but didn't agree with it, yet you didn't fight it. Why? It is not in town's interest to allow a mislynch.

I haven't really had a lot of time to argue and debate it, plus my computer keeps taking ages to load pages? I did say that, right?

actually screw it this is total fail
Agree with Ythan
bad excuse from MaB

I'm not one to attack anyone, to be honest. I'm not a really aggressive player in terms of attacking peoples views and posts, I should probably work on that.

not an excuse not to scumhunt

wow.

Ok, I don't know if hoopy fruity will agree with me, but something stinks to high heaven about all this.

Can I point out that Nikanor got pulled up for role fishing in the most dubious of circumstances while drip has been ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING FOR HIM TO CLAIM without anyone batting an eyelid?

I'm so uncool with this wagon, and these tetchy jumpy people knocking it between L-1 and L-2.

DERAIL THAT PUPPY.

vote: clergyhoop

quicklynch before they get online plz

I lol'd.

I'm not sure if it's worth a lynch, nor a quicklynch though.

Clergy and MaB are scumbuddies, gg town win

[Parama]

^ Good post. This is the clearest, most compelling piece of logic I've seen all game (which still doesn't say much). Nikanor needs to be avenged with a MaB lynch tomorrow.

OMG Parama - you're right! I didn't even notice this. I don't think I've ever seen this before.

A double, over-the-top-defense/Greyhound-bus combo!!!

Way to give away your whole scumteam thinking it'll pass for WIFOM!

Like I said.

unvote, vote clergyhoop

[Parama]

Vote: Ythan

.

umwat: Weeabo

[Parama]

Your defense is terribad.

[Parama]

BTW Drip is town

[Parama]

Your defense is terribad.

Whos defense? Mine?

Yes.

Vote: Ythan

.

umwat: Weeabo

Vote: Ythan!!!

Are you silenced?

[Parama]

Parama, please explain how CWAH is a better lynch than MaB. Please.

Because CWAH is obvscum and MaB is just likely scum.

Clergy and MaB are scumbuddies, gg town win

You're so sure the town has won already? On what basis?

This really made me lol. I don't think this is quite a scumslip but it's close. If you were town you would agree that town has won.

[Parama]

I would agree that town has won by me being lynched? lolwut.

Nonono, we have to lynch/vig your buddies too.

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.

vote: Drippereth

You keep ignoring my questions, and you're being extremely pushy on what basis?

OH
MY
GOD
CAN'T STOP LOLLING
Btw, Drip is town.
Clergy is still a better lynch. Vig can get MaB though.

[Parama]

No I'm not distancing
I just want clergyhoop lynched

[Parama]

no
we lynch hoop today
we don't lynch me 'cause I'm town

[Parama]

Hey Pulindar
jump on the clergy wagon
we're going out partying tonight
it'll be fun

[Parama]

Pulindar, just read clergy in ISO. I was going to quote things that were scummy but I ended up quoting half their posts.

[Parama]

Pulindar, just read clergy in ISO. I was going to quote things that were scummy but I ended up quoting half their posts.

This doesn't count as contributing.

I don't particularly care. Clergy is scum. An ISO read of their posts should convince any player who knows anything about mafia.

[Parama]

Pulindar, just read clergy in ISO. I was going to quote things that were scummy but I ended up quoting half their posts.

This doesn't count as contributing.

I don't particularly care. Clergy is scum. An ISO read of their posts should convince any player who knows anything about mafia.

How about you be constructive and make an attempt at least to point it out.

Did everything in their power to prevent a Nikanor lynch, even went so far as to bus a potential scumbuddy - then exclamations of "shock and awe" after the mafia flip.
Well, that's beside the fact the clergyhoop is scum but meh.

[Parama]

Ythan, want me to ISO you? I bet it'd be fun.

[Parama]

I don't need to sell you on a case that SHOULD speak for itself.

[Parama]

I would ISO you but I'd get more just from reading the thread seeing as you have posted 167 times.

[Parama]

Did everything in their power to prevent a Nikanor lynch, even went so far as to bus a potential scumbuddy - then exclamations of "shock and awe" after the mafia flip.
Well, that's beside the fact the clergyhoop is scum but meh.

Who exactly are we bussing? I don't understand your accusation. Is it even aimed at us?

MaB/Pulindar
See:

^ Good post. This is the clearest, most compelling piece of logic I've seen all game (which still doesn't say much). Nikanor needs to be avenged with a MaB lynch tomorrow.

Also, this:

In fact, I don't like parma's reaction to almost anything, so dramonic, lets join forces.

vote parma

hello dramonic, glad to know you're scum with clergy

[Parama]

I don't need to sell you on a case that SHOULD speak for itself.

This is entirely contrary to, I dunno,

Mafia

.

Well, I've given reason and evidence. Don't know what more you want - just ISO them already and you should see it clear as day.

[Parama]

Fun quotes from dramonic:

It doesnt kill mines anyways. I've been using it for a few months and now I find subsilver way more painful.

Also, this wagon on Nik is sooooooo scummy.

Second, the Nik wagon: Worst... Wagon... EVER...

I still believe the wagon on Nik was craptastic, even if he flipped scum. Just an FYI.

This game is beautiful.

[Parama]

Parama, you're calling scum based on extremely flimsy evidence. Your interpretation is one of a great number of possibilities. That's not evidence, it's a theory.

Let's just agree to disagree then. You're just going to hate how I've decided to play this game.

[Parama]

Are you trying to argue that he was defending his buddy?

Obviously.

[Parama]

Parama, you're calling scum based on extremely flimsy evidence. Your interpretation is one of a great number of possibilities. That's not evidence, it's a theory.

Let's just agree to disagree then. You're just going to hate how I've decided to play this game.

No I'm just going to continue to push the case that (among other things) you're not backing up your own cases.

CSL I didn't have much to back up with.
Clergy I have given plenty of reason and plenty of evidence.
Stop spamming.

[Parama]

Parama, are you only suspicious of people who opposed the Nikanor wagon? Why are scum more likely to take that position over bussing?

Actually I'm looking for likely scum. You and dram have expressed your discontent over the Nikanor wagon/lynch (even after the scumflip) while forgetting to give reasons why he wasn't scum.

[Parama]

I disagree with your opinion on my clergy case. That is all.

[Parama]

Ythan, here's a better question: Do you think clergyhoop is scum? If so, why? If not, why not?

[Parama]

Parama, you're calling scum based on extremely flimsy evidence. Your interpretation is one of a great number of possibilities. That's not evidence, it's a theory.

Let's just agree to disagree then. You're just going to hate how I've decided to play this game.

No I'm just going to continue to push the case that (among other things) you're not backing up your own cases.

CSL I didn't have much to back up with.
Clergy I have given plenty of reason and plenty of evidence.
Stop spamming.

I hope that wasn't directed at me, because you know....

Hoopla posts in the last 24 hours: 7
Parama posts in the last 24 hours: 26



~~

I'm not going to 'spam' if you give legitimate reasons. A theory based on me opposing a wagon is just a theory if you can't offer reasons why this is more likely for me to do as scum. You have a very shallow circle of logic that seems to be based on minimal thinking. Also, your case about me bussing buddies doesn't fly - it's essentially an assumption based upon an assumption, which omits multitudes of possibilities. Point to some evidence, rather than just saying there is lots of it.

Yeah it was at Ythan, sorry for wasting your time.
If you want me to build a wall-of-text case on Clergy I can do it and I probably will do it tomorrow (tonight I need to be studying for 2 tests I have tomorrow and don't have time time to build a wall.) But I assure you there's enough for me to go on for a full-fledged case. I'm just too lazy to do it.

[Parama]

Hi. Here's 3 quotes to why Parama is town.

Oh, and I'm not claiming.
Lalalala~.

unvote, vote Nikanor

random hammer mode activate

Nikanor - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day One

Also, I think Ythan is town. But he needs to stop spamming.

[Parama]

Camn, if Ythan is town but not scum, why is he a good lynch in your opinion? If he would shut up for a moment we could focus on scumhunting.

[Parama]

Camn, if Ythan is town but not scum, why is he a good lynch in your opinion? If he would shut up for a moment we could focus on scumhunting.

Yeah I apologize for preventing anyone else from being able to communicate. Oh wait.

Your major problem is hypocrisy IIRC.

[Parama]

Camn, if Ythan is town but not scum, why is he a good lynch in your opinion? If he would shut up for a moment we could focus on scumhunting.

Yeah I apologize for preventing anyone else from being able to communicate. Oh wait.

Your major problem is hypocrisy IIRC.

Your major problem is going to be explaining how that makes a bit of sense.

Welp.
You're calling me out for posting without saying anything whilst doing twice that yourself.
You're calling me out on a lack of a case when your MaB/Pulindar case is even weaker. (Plus, you never really gave evidence)

[Parama]

Whoops I think I missed this.

Parama, are you only suspicious of people who opposed the Nikanor wagon? Why are scum more likely to take that position over bussing?

Actually I'm looking for likely scum. You and dram have expressed your discontent over the Nikanor wagon/lynch (even after the scumflip) while forgetting to give reasons why he wasn't scum.

I dont have a really big ISO

, I gave reason why I didn't think Nik was scum. Look a bit before throwing stuff randomly?

That's part of the problem.
First off, this is the only reason you gave for why the Nikanor wagon was bad:

@Ythan: A case based on 1 post that isnt even scummy doesnt need to be dismantled. a combination of scum and misguided town (or borderline neurotic for Drip ) doesnt need a case to make a wagon. That's what's happening here.

You say that it was based on one post. Welp, no, Nikanor had several scummy posts early on that caused a wagon to form. So your "defense" is null and void.

[Parama]

Welp.
You're calling me out for posting without saying anything whilst doing twice that yourself.
You're calling me out on a lack of a case when your MaB/Pulindar case is even weaker. (Plus, you never really gave evidence)

Everything about your post is wrong. I'm

not

calling you out for posting without saying anything. My case is

not

weaker than yours because do you even have a "case"?

Indeed I do. I posted my reasons and I've given the evidence to back them up. I mean, they kinda got scattered all over the place since you've been posting too much but

[Parama]

Pulindar case.
Now. Reason + Evidence.

[Parama]

Like I said, I will WALL-O-TEXT up my case tomorrow. And I assure you I can do it - I did such twice in another game (that's currently ongoing though also happens to be a large game). And I have plenty to go on in this game. Clergy's posts, other player's posts concerning Clergy, stuff like that. There's 29 pages here.

[Parama]

And considering I first mentioned doing this several pages ago, I am assuming you haven't been reading closely enough.

[Parama]

I don't expect to get out of it. I am going to do it tomorrow. I don't have time for it right now.

[Parama]

Ythan

I want to say scum, but he could just be the second worst town player I've ever seen.

Do you have anything that doesn't sound like OMGUS whinging?

Well, your play this game is stupid for town and stupid for scum, so...

If and not when you flip town we get Parama tomorrow

dederp what?
Wagon I hammer flips scum.
Wagon I don't support flips town.
So the obvious result is to lynch me?

Parama is town. Nobody "gets" Parama. Not tomorrow. Not anytime.

I don't "get" Parama either. It's like he's playing differently every game! (*hint hint*
BTW just putting this out here. I changed my mind about the case. I'll do it over the weekend but I want to wait until Ythan stops spamming.
Conveniently enough clergy hasn't posted in a while.
More votes on clergy please. Claim needs to be posted within the next 2 hours.

[Parama]

Wagon I hammer flips scum.
Wagon I don't support flips town.
So the obvious result is to lynch me?

Idiotic oversimplification, approached only by idiotic stop spamming posts made in an attempt to discredit me instead of saying anything intelligent. :3

Are you even trying anymore?

[Parama]

Ythan is nothing but deflection. Explain that in the context of a good town player.

[Parama]

Can I have hammer? <3

unvote

for now
I want to hammer this scum

[Parama]

FINE

vote: clergyhoop

[Parama]

I wanted =======[]

[Parama]

Nah, Anon, don't worry, dramonic is scum too.

[Parama]

Are you even allowed to do that?

[Parama]

unvote, vote Dramonic

Still catching up with the thread but with the revelation of clergy-town this is where my vote's going (no it's not just bandwagoning, if you read my posts you'll see why)

[Parama]

oh geez that's L-1 looking back, derp

unvote

[Parama]

and then you guys tell me Parama is town =_=

You are a great wagon.

[Parama]

I think it's not worth risking the lynch.
And damn I need to figure out who's the next likely scum. I don't understand Drip's read on SpyreX but I should probably read him in ISO...

[Parama]

Requesting forced replacement on McZombie

Does anyone else want to tell him or shall I? ~ Hayl

[Parama]

derp

[Parama]

thank you captain obvious
could you scan someone who the town thinks is scum next time?

[Parama]

I dont have to write something to believe it. I have an extra-hard time managing DGB's play. Also, Ythan is totally lynchable/viggable without an investigation, while Parama has a lot of people (or feels like he has) thinking he's protown, therefore he's a bigger threat if he's actually scum.

Did you ever stop to think that if a lot of townies see someone as pro-town then that person probably IS a townie? (see: Drippereth)

[Parama]

I'm not a great read of voting patterns myself. Evidence (a simple explanation) of Parama bussing Nik would put him back on the map for me.

Someone isn't paying attention. Parama is town.

Hey, I could be Serial Killer! They use knives, right?
...
Yeah. I'm town <_<.

[Parama]

Lol?
I don't get the Nacho wagon. ISO time?

[Parama]

Going to be V/LA until Friday

As such I need to be placing my vote soon.

[Parama]

Reck here. I'm not going to bother with D2 so I can keep my head in the game. Why hasn't Ythan been lynched yet, exactly? He's spamming this thread with contentless posts and fluff so hard it's making my head spin.

Nah, if the vig wants to get him the vig can get him, but Ythan is town. Just terrible at it.

[Parama]

Oh good can we confirm that we have a vig now?
Also town godfather is UM WHAT?

[Parama]

On that note, dramonic, your report?

[Parama]

Oh lol SpyreX you tried to lead a lynch on me? That's funny.
BTW - anyone who called Ythan scum needs to be looked at. He was obvtown. He just posted about 5 times too much.

[Parama]

Additionally, looking at that I'm going to go ahead and reference this when Parama-gate opens.

Mmk.
When you do that, note these things:
-I hammered on Nikanor (not a defense)
-I was gone for most of Day 3 (this is a defense)

[Parama]

The absence of play overall during that whole fiasco sure does

Yo bro I was on V/LA the entire time.
Please go away.

[Parama]

The flavor analysis made me headdesk.

[Parama]

Explain to my why Policy Lynching is a scumtell.
Because it isn't.

[Parama]

Policy Lynching is a scumtell because it's easy and opportunistic.

To me, mafia would push a policy lynch and call it such because they already know who each other are and to push a policy lynch just makes it so the town gets no information, and it doesn't matter what the policy lynched person flips since it was policy after all.

For example, take Zwet in MtG: Parallel Universe. That's a prime example of a policy lynch.

Townies push policy lynches on anti-town townies.
Scum push policy lynches on anti-town townies.
Therefore, nulltell.

[Parama]

hey Mae
look on the previous page please

[Parama]

<---- clear

[Parama]

We can't lynch both? Aww.
Honestly I'd prefer Yos over SpyreX. I could see myself building a case there more than one on SpyreX. But either is fine.
Also yes. I am being lazy today. Sorry. I just took the SAT. I am tired of thinking.

[Parama]

vote: Yosarian2

If SpyreX lying, oh well.
If he's not, best lynch is here.

[Parama]

unvote, vote: SpyreX

[Parama]

Oh wow, L-1 already?

[Parama]

Night 1: Drip went nowhere
Night 2: ??? (I got no result on Dram)

Night 3: Weaboo went nowhere.

Night 4: Yos went nowhere.

Bolded the most likely partner based solely on the order of these reports. If SpyreX flips scum I know where I'm looking.
Though Yos coming in to "confirm" the report gives me bad vibes.

[Parama]

Okay soooo basically -

I'm town
SpyreX is town
Drippereth is mostly town for me

Meaning the other scum have to be in Parama/Starbuck/Pulindar/Yosarian/Anon/KMD. Woo.

Hey um also can someone give me a list of claims other than SpyreX's if there have been any?

I am confirmed town by dramonic's reports btw. And so is Drip, unsuprisingly.
If SpyreX is town, then you and Yos are half-cleared (assuming a 4-man scumgroup, 50% chance the other mafia member sent in the kill each of those nights.)
So

you

are looking mostly out of Starbuck/Pluindar/Anon/KMD if this is the case.
But I don't think SpyreX is confirmed as town yet.

[Parama]

Yos and Reck aren't cleared. It just means they didn't kill those nights.

I never said they were cleared. 50% clear, assuming a 4 man scumgroup. Why? Half of the remaining mafia sent in kills nights 3 and 4 (1 out of 2 people).
So it halves the possibility that they are maf.
Though for all we know N4 the mafia didn't kill .-.
Also, I just figured out something major. And I'm not telling what.

[Parama]

Also, I just figured out something major. And I'm not telling what.

How pro-town!

Withholding this bit of info is incredibly townie if you knew what it was.
I'm not going to hint at it any further.

[Parama]

If it was that I would tell.
It's not that.
I agree with lotsa of Anon's points on Yos.

unvote

for now anyways

[Parama]

Ugh, I lost my massive post due to site lag.
Retype...

Because scum-Anon really wants to lynch SpyreX for the same reason he tried to lynch Dramonic earlier in the game

- First I dont want to lynch Spyrex, at least for today. See optimal play above. And since when trying to lynch dramonic is a scumtell. Are you freaking serious?

I'm going to explain this one more time.

1. Dramonic claimed an info role.

2. That night, the scum failed to kill, which probably means they attemtped to kill him and failed.

3. The next day, I would expect scum to do whatever they could to lynch Dramonic; if he's an info role and he's getting doc protected or whatever and the scum can't nightkill him he's incredibly dangerous to them. YOu ever seen what a doc/cop pair does to a scum team?

4. So, yes, in that situation, trying to lynch Dramonic the next day is a scum tell, because that's what I would expect scum to do. There's no way there weren't at least some scum pushing the Dramonic wagon.

I dunno about this. i agree that dramonic would've been an easy lynch for scum... but the risk N2 wasn't as great because if dram did manage to find one of the scum, that scum could claim vig, and the only way to really disprove this claim would be for the real vig to cc. Of course, this means that the scum would kno the real vig while the town would not be sure for that day... at night, of course, the vig would probably shoot his cc while the maf shot the vig. I think the mafia would be willing to pull a stunt like this to get rid of the vig. Of course, that would mean confirming dram as town the day following the vig's death, and th possibility that another scum could be found out... I still don't think the maf shot at dramonic N2.
Also, SpyreX's N2 no result = jailkeep. Mae probably jailkept SpyreX that night, which is why there was no result... and someone, be it vg or maf, shot at him.
A total lack of kills N2 makes me believe we also have a doctor in this game. But it could be mafia/vig not choosing to kill as well... dunno why they would.
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This is not a retype:
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@ Drip, if KMD is scum, then he's the biggest threat to the town, since IIRC he's a double-voter (Day 2 IIRC...) Of course I could be thinking of the wrong person.
Out of the 4 that haven't been tracked or visited by gunsmith... Anon is town, Starbuck is scum, Pulindar is null, KMD is null. Out of the two who HAVE been tracked, Yos is the scum for sure.
Hmm... let's plan out these night actions.
IF WE LYNCH SCUM TODAY (Likely, looking at the wagon currently):
SpyreX needs to track KMD. Really big threat to the town otherwise.
Vig should shoot Yosarian. If I am asking the vig to shoot themself, shoot Pulindar.
IF WE DON'T LYNCH SCUM TODAY
SpyreX should track randomly between KMD/Pulindar/Yos - don't tell anybody who you are tracking.
Vig should not kill. Shooting wrong would put us at LyLo if KMD is scum sided (alternatively, we would still have a whole day left until LyLo if KMD is town).

Starbuck is the best lynch for today as it stands.

Vote: Starbuck

......
ISO'ed the Starbuck slot really quick.
McZombie's 2nd post is so terrible it's not even funny.
If Starbuck is scum Yos is not. Change what I said earlier.

IF WE LYNCH

STARBUCK-SCUM

TODAY (Likely, looking at the wagon currently):
SpyreX needs to track KMD. Really big threat to the town otherwise.
Vig should shoot Pulindar. If I am asking the vig to shoot themself, shoot Anon.

Mmk. To be honest today's lynch is the end-all of this entire game the way I see it - we already have this won and we just need to go through several processes first. But then again I'm still withholding some major information that went into the formation of this plan.

[Parama]

IF WE LYNCH

STARBUCK-SCUM

TODAY (Likely, looking at the wagon currently):

SpyreX needs to track KMD

. Really big threat to the town otherwise.
Vig should shoot Pulindar. If I am asking the vig to shoot themself, shoot Anon.

[/quote]

[Parama]

SpyreX, results.
Also, thanks for not shooting, vig.
This really should work now.

[Parama]

If lynched, kills 2 people on the wagon IIRC. I think the last two votes on a wagon. Could hurt the town as much as helping it.
Of course we were never going to lynch Drip anyways so <____<

[Parama]

I thought that was vengeful townie and Supersaint was like a double vengeful townie.
Meh.
Mafia has way too many roles <_<

[Parama]

Anon is obvtown, Yos is prob scum. Just my opinions.

[Parama]

People need to post more.

[Parama]

Oh, I know much more about this game than you think.
Like I said, I'm still withholding some important information.
Though I cracked and breadcrumbed something yesterday. It was so subtle that it probably doesn't matter anyways.

[Parama]

SpyreX's report today may make or break this game.
Trust me, I've got a whole plan here.

[Parama]

IF WE DON'T LYNCH SCUM TODAY
SpyreX should track randomly between KMD/Pulindar/Yos - don't tell anybody who you are tracking.

Hi SpyreX! Why are not following my simple instructions?
Anon is obviously town and you had no reason to track him
A few steps up the scumlist for you.

[Parama]

I am officially confirming Anon town at this point. If he was scum along with one of the 3 I suggested tracking between (if he's scum that's 75% odds) then it's likely he would've sent in the kill instead of his partner.
And of course being tracked means, hello, Anon = all but confirmed townie at this point.
Also, if SpyreX IS a scum tracker (and isn't lying about his reports, which is likely for a scum tracker to do), then Pulindar and KMD are the only possible partners, because I don't think scum have a motive to track their partners...
So I guess that report isn't really useless .-.

Because I had already tracked Yos and got nothing sooo I was trying someone else? That, and I figured that with that list if Anon was scum he'd be the one performing the kill?

And look you already realized this .-. Man I'm a real derp sometimes. Anyways...
For the record, we are not massclaiming today. Definitely not.

[Parama]

What that looks like:
Yos-scum is trying to get people on the wagon lynched because they were all townies and SpyreX is scum with Yos.
But like I already said if SpyreX is a scum tracker then his buddy is either KMD or Pulindar <_< And I'd lean KMD over Pulindar in that case. Meh.

[Parama]

Wow, I'm not paying attention here either. That's like twice today I've totally forgotten something that I had already stated earlier.
Though the longer this is going on Yos looks like he could be just a really frustrated townie. But the scum possibility is certainly still there.

[Parama]

That was the hammer.

Vote: Yosarian2

inafterhammer

[Parama]

*if you flip town

[Parama]

ANON WAS THE MOST OBVIOUS TOWNIE IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA
I thought he was the vig for basically half the game.

[Parama]

Because 4-way MyLo is better for scum than 3-way LyLo.

[Parama]

One note:

I dunno. There's a voice in my head. It says: "Kmd is scum, Kmd is scum, Kmd is scum.... lynch him!!!!!!!"

This voice is ALWAYS right. I know exactly what you're talking about with this, and it's never failed me yet.