Mafia 113: Mafia in Mendo ~ Game Over

[dramonic]

blarg

[dramonic]

A) Not to claim vanilla townie unless at L-1, we are the leading wagon with an impending deadline, or during a massclaim, or our claim can somehow shed light on someone elses (for example: someone claims to have tracked you going somewhere).

B) Not to self-vote, barring the 2:1:1 endgame scenario.

C) Not to lie about our roles.

I seriously hope you don't think scum will honour C)...

[dramonic]

starter question to all

:
1. anyone have any opinion on fonz about the stuff he proposed in post 12?
2. what is your previous experience (if this is your first game, state experience with chat, off-site and Face to Face mafia as well)

1. The three points are fine by me, except for the fact I pointed out earlier
2. Wiki can answer that. I've played in ~33 games.

[dramonic]

WIFOM vote, much?

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I'm still waiting for a case from Dia, I'm at a loss about Jack's setup knowledge and people saying this is open.
Did I miss a post somewhere 0_o

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Lovely, you're trying to setup a chain lynch.

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You'd think the fact nobody is commenting give you a hint taht there isn't something of interest to comment on <<

Also, are you an alt?

@Jack: It's common knowledge? From where?

[dramonic]

if you lynch me though, i'm going to be townie. i really don't mind, as at least we will have all of our blue roles left if i'm lynched.

Looks like someone broke the Fonz deal.

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Besides, he's never been scum before, so why would he be scum now?

Gambler's fallacy could be defined using that post.

[dramonic]

I like what I see

Unvote
Vote: Fur

[dramonic]

if you lynch me though,

i'm going to be townie.

i really don't mind, as at least we will have all of our blue roles left if i'm lynched.

Not the proper play.

Fixed for accuracy.

[dramonic]

allright
You guys need to avoid creating 5 pages a day. It's bad for people in more than 1 game who also have a life <<
I reckon green=townie, blue=PR?

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Still waiting on the explanation from Jack for ISO 3...

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I could have sworn I posted in the last 72 hours.
Nonetheless here I am and stuff.

I have reasons to believe Deer is the likelier scum.

[dramonic]

cant

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Vote:Deer

@Furcolow: If you wanna know if I'd bus a scum as scum, I prefer not to.
@Nico: Skimmed more than read. But I've seen enough to make an opinion.

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Meh, whatever. I'll claim.

I'm a tracker.

Weren't you just instructed in the last post NOT to?
Not unvoting for now. Tracker's a fairly safe outlet for scum.

[dramonic]

I am an old army veteran who grew up in the woods.

Barring the army part, you're just defining your username <<

[dramonic]

claiming tracker is safer for scum than claiming any of the other options you proposed though.

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While I feel Deer should still be lynch, Furc's play toward his post-claim stuff sounds like scum really wanting to distance.

Can we lynch both? =3

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Furco is still town.

Unvote, Vote Dram

The time has finally come for him to die with FIRE AND FLAMES.

Diacra, please be useful.

[dramonic]

Oh shush ponyboy

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unvote; vote dramonic

any reasons you'd like to share with the group?

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@Furcolow: Possible reason to try to "prevent" a town lynch when scum would be that if the lynch ends up happening the scummo can gain some town cred from it. If he's not too suspicious in his defense anyways.

People NOT voting Dram who used his meta as a reason not to earlier: Do you think he's still align with his town meta?

Everyone else NOT voting Dram: Why aren't you.

You sir, are really obsessed with me. AFAIK I don't possess a stable enough meta for it to be used against me and you'll see that your meta-arguments is shot down in a fiery death when I go down, weither now or later.

Tracker should post flavour or die.

[dramonic]

Would you lynch someone who militated hard against a lynch who flips town?

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that supposes there isnt a real cop in the game.
and the fakecop has to produce results every night, at some point he's stuck digging himself into a hole.

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...
This game is full of VIs, isn't it?

[dramonic]

choo choo

Unvote
Vote: Dana

[dramonic]

This day lasted too long =_=

[dramonic]

dont forget the watcher too!

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Furcalow kill sucks though.

I must humbly disagree. He was a source of white noise and a mislynch in the making.

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On an unrelated topic, I'm still waiting for Jack's explanation of his post (i think it was something like ISO 3?)

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why should I drop it?

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Happy 4-20, potheads!

what's so special about 4-20 may I ask?

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I'd quite prefer a Jake lynch over a MPR.

Vote: Jake

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It's Jack indeed.
Head Honcho will flip in his tomb, but I still believe Jack hasn't explained his ISO 3
Also, his play is somewhat similar to what I saw in PYP 2
While MPR's play ressembles that in a game I am modding (he's dead and town)

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sigh don't talk about ongoing games.

It's no longer ongoing for him
I wouldnt say stuff if he were alive.

[dramonic]

Richard, tell me you're joking.

[dramonic]

Diacra, satisfy my curiosity as to why you're not obsessed with my death anymore?

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Diacra, satisfy my curiosity as to why you're not obsessed with my death anymore?

I decided to let the Owl fly again another day.
Now, who calls you Owl? Hush hush! Don't tell people.

I also had the benefit of the Hoots and seeing the inner workings and all the fun stuff...ya know what I mean.

Hush now!

0_o

I think I'll just stop asking and focus on keeping my vote firmly in place X_X

[dramonic]

I support a CCRaven lynch, but I dont support the living of its voters.

[dramonic]

Dram seems fluffier than normal.

How fluffy is normal?

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Also, how do you propose lynching him without voting him? Answer this question:

What I meant is although I don't like CCRaven, I dont like either Nico or MPR.

[dramonic]

This a 18 player game, let's just lynch Jack, CCR, MPR and Nico and we'll be done.

Unvote
Vote: CCAR

[dramonic]

This a 18 player game, let's just lynch Jack, CCR, MPR and Nico and we'll be done.

Richard can go after.

[dramonic]

So you want Jack vigged?

yes, very much so.

[dramonic]

grumble, afaics Jack didnt breadcrumb his results >_<

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also, raven and Jack were supposed to flip scum =_=;

[dramonic]

Well, we have a vig, a probably SK and 3 mafia.

with 2 other guys.

I don't know who the SK and vig are (though I've a doubt), but at this point he could as well claim. The former's odds of winning are silly low with 4 peops dying a piece, we could hit a goon and still lose while outing himself now can give him a shot at victory (in prisoner dilemna for example). Don't claim immunities!

Massclaim?

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do you have a better theory for the poisoning?

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giving a mafia two kill is completely broken though...

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I can start, but before we do that we should all agree to massclaiming.

Popcorn: the one who just claimed picks the next to claim.

3 for,

[dramonic]

massclaiming.

[dramonic]

vanilla as in the ice cream!

Chrono!

[dramonic]

no one goes next

vanillax3
vigx2
bp
doc

The SK is an idiot.

[dramonic]

no you cant.
The SK needs to out himself. If he doesnt he's going to lose.

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not to SK.

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option 1 is town loss, wise guy.

Why I want the SK to out himself

Let's assume WCS here. Meaning 3 town, 1 SK, 3 mafia.
If we dont kill 2 mafia before tomorrow morn, we LOSE.
If we vote someone who isn't mafia, they can quick hammer and we probably LOSE
SK is a confirmable role. The more confirmed people we have, the better, especially if we can strategize openly.

IF we have 5 town and 2 mafia (one being poisoner)
We have the game in the bag, because once the vigs cross kill and we dont lose with only one dead goon we'll know SK was lying.

There's more to it than that.

Oh and also, we have to lynch the doc.

[dramonic]

...Did you just say 4 scum in 18 players, with 2 kills a-piece, is balanced in ANY way?

[dramonic]

and if we didnt catch bv earlier we'd have lost already.
in 3 days
in a large game.
suuuure

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if the doc is scum the vig on the other scum will fail and we lose.

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=_=
Don't be a moron, it's extremely obvious I'm going with the assumption its a mafia doc.

[dramonic]

in a 3 player mafia its plausible
also need I remind you my first assumption is SK?

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Gosh, will I have to make a drawing for you?

If the doc flips town, for balance reasons it's near impossible for scum to control both the poison kill and the NK, in such case the SK has better kill a mafioso (you are a decent option for that CMAR )

If the doc flips scum, then, well that's good. Vig kill the other one.

Just like to add this: If one of MPR or Nico is actually the SK, I swear to god they cost themselves AND the town the game.

Vote: Chnorek

SK, please get rid of CMAR.

@CMAR: SO tell me, what's my scum motive for wanting to off the doc?

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@Nico and MPR: voting each other is silly and useless.
No town in their right mind would lynch either of you when you can just cross-kill.

[dramonic]

@CMAR: How bout you answer the question instead of just whitenoising?

Dram is scum.
His reasoning is pure wifom.
[...]
That leaves 3 mafia with 2 kills each night and 1 vig. there is no SK in my opinion.
either Nico or mpr is scum. Other one is vig.

vote: dramonic

And... how is that supposed to help the town in any way? Since you believe that there are 3 scum tot, lynching you is still the optimal play. We have 0 proof you are town and on the off-chance you are we'll be in lylo again tomorrow because one scum among Nico and MPR will die.

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Well, we'll assume for now we don't have a SK to deal with since everyone claimed not being it.
IF any of you flip SK, I'm saving the same fate for you as the vig did for BV.

All the more reason to lynch the doc, if we're not reliant on a well aimed SK.

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Because if the doc is scum he can block the vig's kill and we lose.
If he's town mafia will kill him anyways.

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Because he could also be scum in which case we WILL lose.

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4 town 3 scum is ridiculous with the scum having double kills.

the other option is 5 town 2 scum. We end with 2 townies 1 scum.

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once again, assuming the poisoner is mafia and the scumteam is 4 is preposterous.

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which result in the scumgroup possessing 2 kills.
Which cannot be associated with 4 scums, for balance issues, even with a tracker and doc and whatever other BS you wanna add in.

The doc must die. Period.

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So now can you unvote me and vote the doc?
It's the bright thing to do.

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i hate doing it but dram just loves wifom so here we go:
bv was shot. if i was mafia doc who else would i protect?

i dont think we can go anywhere this way...

Dramonic is still alive with 2 votes, it makes me even more comfortable with him being lynched.

bv would've been lynched during the day, better keep your protects where they are useful.
Also I'm not dead because there's prolly scum on my wagon, duh.
Or because they didn'T have time to synch, but I doubt that.

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that supposes you are town...
If you`ve been poisoned, are town and the doc is town itll be my mea culpa.

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=_=

Chronek mafia-doc, Nico mafio.
Calling it

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obviously i'd have gone with the CMAR lynch

Also I TOLD YOU he was scum people, but nooooo ><

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@Dramonic: I could very easily have been a misguided townie and Chrono was scum. You were just blinded by me arguing with you and you would have lynched me no matter what.

Actually, I think my ability to read Chrono is fairly decent, so I was more sure he was town than you being scum. :S