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Votes don't count pregame. Don't see why you're so nervous already.
And I wasn't talking about you anyways, but you can join the list if you want to <3ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Reaction test failed. I did imply it was you, considering it was in response to your post. Can't believe you bought that.
Delayed vote: SSSF
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Dig that hole why don't you.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Yeah, um, I think I'm going to stop the argument between me and Parama now. I realize it's going nowhere.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I joined this game because I could.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Your best game is getting lynched D1? <_<ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Don't give town reads because that tells the mafia who to kill.
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Don't give more than the bottom 6 at any given time, please.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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We should be lynching SSBF D1 anyways, I don't see why it's important.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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We're lynching you Day 1 but I never said it had to happen quickly. Though if it takes too long I'll be pretty mad.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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We don't need an RVS. I already voted, the vote just doesn't count until the game starts.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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The list is plain stupid. The obvious nervousness and caution that SSBF is playing with is the real problem.Leafsnail wrote:Super Smash Bros. Fan's list is null... I don't really agree with it, but I don't see what makes it so scummy. It seems more like something easy to bandwagon onto. With that in mind,FomS: Parama and Chronopie. Parama seems far more eager to lynch over that alone, but chronopie seems to be following him, which is odd.
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1. 12, according to my sig.
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You're such a nice guy. I hope you will join my crusade to lynch SSBF D1.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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First off,vote: SSBF
Presents that Leafsnail asked for!
This and the series of posts following it.
Dammit, I screwed up!
And a lot of his posts are pointless info about himself that nobody cares about.
ALSO.
So you'd OMGUS me?Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
Not at all. This was completely random. If I was serious, I would have driven my vote to Parama.Vi wrote:
Do you think any of the people who DID post during pregame are scummy?Super Smash Bros. Fan 122 wrote:Vote: SeraphimandFoS: nhammenbecause they didn't post during pre-game period.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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^oh yeah I missed including that one earlier^ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Oh God Leaf you're really going to make me explain something so obvious? Why are you so concerned with it anyways? For all you know I'm RVSing (I'm not but still <_<)ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Yeah that happens a lot.Vi wrote:The more Parama talks, the more I want to rescind my initial Town read on him and/or smack him through the Internet.
I'm going to hold onto that vote that I have currently placed because I like it. I like it a lot.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Read the thread.Seraphim wrote:
So, tell me Parama, why is SSBF scum?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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If you would read carefully, you'd see the question has already been answered.Seraphim wrote:
All I see is you saying "lol SSBF is scum" with nothing backing it. Don't dodge the question.Parama wrote:
Read the thread.Seraphim wrote:
So, tell me Parama, why is SSBF scum?
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Nervousness - if you can't see it then you're not reading OH WAITSeraphim wrote:Why are the posts you link to scummy?
Trying to detract from the nervousness in his posting - something factual is easier to talk about.Seraphim wrote:Who cares that his posts were "pointless info about himself that nobody cares about"? It was the pre-confirm stage, how is that scummy?
The reason for one player voting another is that the other player voted for the first. That exclusively = OMGUS = no reason to vote.Seraphim wrote:How is OMGUS scummy?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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It's called a reaction test, and you failed. Yes, I lied. It should have been obvious because it was heavily implied I meant you. When you eased up after this I knew I had caught scum. You didn't even ask who I said I was mentioning.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:I started to become suspcious of Parama waaaay before the game started. He started out as a /caught scum already post. Thinking it was applying to me, he responded to me. He said he wasn't talking about me. Less then fifteen minutes later, he contradicted himself by saying he was implying it to me.
So you're denying that anything in pre-game is worth mentioning.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Today at 5:53 AM, before the game even got started, he begun to campaign for my lynch. This is way premature. I can understand doing it when we have a lot to go off and your reason for voting a person is legitimate, but that was pre-game, so this makes absolutely no sense.
What would be the point of having a pregame then?
LOL. I didn't imply any definite times, and you act like I did.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
I noticed another contradiction here. He said he didn't want me lynched too quickly. Then why did he on the EXACT same post say that he'll be pretty mad if it takes too long to lynch? This is another contradiction.Parama wrote:We're lynching you Day 1 but I never said it had to happen quickly. Though if it takes too long I'll be pretty mad.
Too quickly = less than 3 days
Too long = more than a week
Contradiction =/= exist
Scum are the ones concerned about looking scummy. They act cautious. Townies have reason to act aggressive - it pressures the scum into slipping up. There's no reason to be cautious as town.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:He also said that he didn't like the fact I was trying to be cautious. I don't see how that's a problem. Being cautious can actually be helpful in the game. It means you're trying to think before posting and if anything, it benefits you.
And you just admitted to being cautious. GG.
You didn't give any reason to suspect me - implying you had no reason to want to vote besides me voting you.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:He started off Day 1 with a half-assed case on me. When Vi explained what was the purpose of my vote, I said it was random, but if my vote was serious, it would voting toward Parama. He then goes to immediately accuse me of doing an OMGUS if I were to do that, which I call BS on.
I am lazy and hate repeating myself.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:When Seraphim and Leafsnail asked Parama to explain why I was suspicious again, Parama gave half-hearted responses multiple times. From ISO 17-21, Parama completely neglected to mention why I was scummy when they both asked.
I'm tunneling to draw out scum - it works in two different way.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:On top of that, out of all the people on my bandwagon (him, Unsight, Chronopie, Dr. Robotnik), no one and I mean no one has tunneled me as much as Parama. Almost all of his posts has been dedicated toward me. Most of his pre-game post were related to me in some way and I swear,every single postin Day 1 are in some way related toward going against me. It makes me wonder if he's even considering other suspects.
1. Pressure a target to see their reactions
2. See what sort of crowd the wagon attracts
Both these can be used to get reads on the player being tunneled as well as the bandwagon voters. Very nice and it's working quite well. Though with 2 scumteams it won't be quite as efficient.
Still, this works for me so I'm not going to change because you want me to.
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By the way something I realized right after making this post but couldn't get a chance to post:Parama wrote:
It's called a reaction test, and you failed. Yes, I lied. It should have been obvious because it was heavily implied I meant you. When you eased up after this I knew I had caught scum. You didn't even ask who I said I was mentioning.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:I started to become suspcious of Parama waaaay before the game started. He started out as a /caught scum already post. Thinking it was applying to me, he responded to me. He said he wasn't talking about me. Less then fifteen minutes later, he contradicted himself by saying he was implying it to me.
So you're denying that anything in pre-game is worth mentioning.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Today at 5:53 AM, before the game even got started, he begun to campaign for my lynch. This is way premature. I can understand doing it when we have a lot to go off and your reason for voting a person is legitimate, but that was pre-game, so this makes absolutely no sense.
What would be the point of having a pregame then?
He builds half his case on me based on pre-game stuff, and then he says that pre-game content isn't very useful.
Hello, contradiction much? Also chalk up hypocrisy because you're accusing me of contradicting myself while you contradict yourself within your case on me. Yay!
I think vez is lying tbqh. The claim doesn't seem genuine at all.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I feel sorry for you, stuck with 2 VIs as masonbuddies.
And I'll buy that claim because I don't see why you would've claimed otherwise.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Oh great, the VI masons are at it again.
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Seraphim was the one who claimed mason, not Vez. Your point is invalid.Leafsnail wrote:Parama - ISO 24 wrote:I think vez is lying tbqh. The claim doesn't seem genuine at all.
Sure, seraphim claimed in the meantime, but how does that make it more convincing? After all, if Vezo was scum falseclaiming mason with 2 random people he'd die immediately when they say "Uh, no I'm not". If you thought Vezo was scum with daniel and seraphim, well, how does seraphim's claim change anything?Parama - ISO 25 wrote:I feel sorry for you, stuck with 2 VIs as masonbuddies.
My arguments make perfect sense .-. If you don't see why then you don't understand them.SGRaaize wrote:Parama has been completely insane and weird in his arguments against SSBF, trying to force a lynch somehow, very scummy IMO
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What were your original reasons on these two? I must've missed them. I probably did, tbh, since I haven't been giving this game enough attention since you guys aren't lynching SSBF.Vi wrote:The Goat and Dr. Robotnik still haven't done anything to make me think they're something other than scum, so etc. ChronoCircleConstant could go either way tbh.
For future reference, this is an extreme moment of derpiness, not a scumslip. I have these moments often for I fail.SerialClergyman wrote:WOW.
I just looked and I was totally confusing this game with another one. My bad. Sigh.
I have no idea whether scum can daytalk or not, but I can understand that looks badly like a slip. Zzzzzz.
Let's line up lynches based on something we can't confirm? No. Also, Seraphim would've been a complete idiot to out his entire scumteam like that - he's linked to the two as masons now. If one of them flips mason then the other two can't be lying, though it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't werewolves. But nonetheless we're not lynching a mason today.Sevis wrote:I do agree that if one of the masons flips werewolf, we should (probably, depends on circumstances) lynch another to make sure they're not a scumteam.
Your logic makes no sense. There is no good reason to lynch a claimed mason, especially on D1. If they're lying the other scumgroup will end up shooting at them eventually, anyways.Dr. Robotnik wrote:In my opinion, we shouldn't pay much attention to the mason grouping alone, because they could be werewolves, and that is as likely as anything. So I think attacking masons is warranted, but it can't be because they are masons.
Hmm... Dr. Robotnik's continued push on a mason lynch does look rather scummy, I admit. Could be mafia trying to get a mason/werewolf lynch or a werewolf trying to push a lynch on a mason, either seems possible. I wouldn't mind voting him...
But I like my vote better. SoFoS: Dr. Robotnikfor now.
But, now that I think about it, there's another vote I like even better than both.
unvote, vote: SGRaaize
SGRaaize is doing the same thing as Robotnik, but he's a greater offender in terms of scumtells. His very first vote was on page 15, for a claimed mason. He's doing what Robotnik is doing... but though he's expressed suspicions before, he never acted upon them until now. And the vote is for weaker reasons than in his earlier posts where he didn't vote. If that isn't suspicious I don't what is.
Wait.
Nhammen's post has made everything crystal clear.
This is a good point and a good reason to vote someone... and yet you don't.nhammen wrote: So defensive after one vote?? And still sitting on that fence. I actually agree with Sevis here.
Looking at those two posts, they aren't really rolefishing... at all. More rhetorical questions adding to his points. And regardless that's not a good reason to vote.nhammen wrote:@foilist 328: STOP ROLEFISHING!
vote foilist
@foilist 347: STOP ROLEFISHING!!!!!!
This is genuine rolefishing by Chrono, yet you merely FoS.nhammen wrote:@Chrono 379: Not you too! DO NOT ROLEFISH!
@Chrono 382: STOP ROLEFISHING
FOS: Chrono
And not Chrono, for doing the same exact thing you accuse foilist of? Note that foilist isn't really rolefishing though you accuse him of it, while Chrono is.nhammen wrote:foilist, SGR, and robotnik are the current scummiest players IMO.
Guys, I've caught scumbuddies here, can we lynch them?
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Vote: Nhammen
Super Mega HoS: Chronopie
HoS: SGRaaize
HoS: SSBF
FoS: Dr. Robotnik
If there is not a nhammen lynch in the next 24 hours I'm going to scream. Nhammen's post has caught 2 scum.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Yup. Foilist's questions looked rhetorical (as in, don't answer these) and were lead-ins to his major points, which happen to be quote solid.nhammen wrote:Parama, rhetorical rolefishing is still rolefishing. And if you don't think that was rolefishing, you must be seriously blind. As for why foilist and not chrono? I just figured that foilist's was trying much harder to disguise itself as something else. You claim you read the posts in question and did NOT think they were rolefishing??? I do not understand how you could possibly think that.
Chrono's posts are just blatant rolefishing.
The most damning evidence is a lack of you putting Chrono on your scumlist for the same offense that foilist (your VOTE) committed.
Also, Chrono, it's too late to bus for town-cred since your buddy outed you both.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Note that I gave a specific order, IE this is my preferred lynch order. I'm voting the obvious scum but I don't have two votes to lynch them both with so nhammen is the preferred choice because a nhammen scumflip implies Chronoscum slightly more than a Chrono scumflip implies nhammenscum. Plus nhammen was the one who committed the offense in question, therefore he is the one deserving of my vote.LynchMePls wrote:@Parama: Is there anyone you aren't HOSing or FOSing in that post? Don't they start to lose meaning when you've done it to 5 people in the same post?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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If it doesn't look like rolefishing, then it isn't. If you think it looks like rolefishing, you're lying.nhammen wrote:So you think that asking what role he could possibly have that would explain these actions is NOT rolefishing? Or did you just read this in some other language?
Hidden rolefishing is scummier than blatant rolefishing. If they are Town, they have NOTHING TO HIDE.
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1) is frustration becausse vezo is being a VI, asking for an explanation on something that doesn't make senseUnsight wrote:
You don't see any rolefishing in this post? It's all just rhetoric to you?foilist13 Post subject: 328 wrote:They're VOTING for each other now?? What the hell kind of mason team is this?
1) Saying it's something I didn't think of isn't good enough. You have to explain what that is, because I'm pretty sure I exhausted the possibilities.vezopiraka wrote:I will take the 6)answer: Something you didn't talk about.
Seraphim claimed for whatever stupid reason he had.
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2) If you do have some kind of magic role, why don't your mason mates know about it? The only reason I can think of is because you are a werewolf.
3) Normally I would be extremely annoyed at you for voting without an explanation. You however took it to the next level and not only didn't explain your vote, you voted for your mason mate! You're supposed to KNOW their alignment. If they could be werewolves, then yes he COULD be scum, but that isn't anything close to a reason to vote for him. The probability of him being scum is actually lower for him than your average player.
Reasons. Now.
2) is a good question that doesn't have anything to do with rolefishing
3) has nothing to do with rolefishing in the slightest
I only have one vote y'know.Unsight wrote:It's also weird to see you FoS/HoS some of the biggest suspects of the last 10 pages and vote none of them. Seems like you're giving lip service to the various bandwagons to gain support for this one.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Second one, I already responded to.
First one, a list of possibilities that are equally likely =/= rolefishinh
Third quote A: prodding for info, not necessarily role related
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^this is precisely my point^ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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The problem with Nhammen's posting now is that he hasn't done anything to disprove my main points.
This is called caught scum.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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SGRaaize, if you continue to quote walls and respond with one-liners I will lynch you on policy because that's a waste of space and it only serves to make posts a lot longer than they need to be.
^This is not a defense^nhammen wrote:
Your main points are absolute crap!Parama wrote:The problem with Nhammen's posting now is that he hasn't done anything to disprove my main points.
TBQH I don't give a damn about your claim, since that's equally likely a scum role as it is town, and I believe you to be scum aside from it.
Because I make valid points that you cannot deny, I'm scum? Sorry for scumhunting then.nhammen wrote:The wagon on me HAS to be scum driven. There is no way there could be this many mistakes unless there is a scum pushing them. I hope that Parama is scum.
Note that your argument is even weaker since there are two scumteams thus scum would want to find each other. I'm sure there's scum on the wagon, but it could be one scumgroup riding the wagon of another. And tbh that's fine, since it leads to a scumlynch. The goal of this game is to get the scum to lynch each other more than anything.
So obviously, you're just disguising OMGUS-esque logic as something that's certain not true. You call me scum for no reason, call my case crap for no reason, and you're just not even trying at all. I don't see how you can't be scum.
While there ARE town roleblockers, they're fairly uncommon, especially compared to scum roleblockers. But I'm going to say that you hit the nail on the head here because nhammen is so blatantly scum that a claim is near irrelevant.vezopiraka wrote:All of you lets lynch nhammen. Every town roleblocker claim I saw was just the scum roleblocker. My vote stands.
This post took over 15 minutes to write. Posts don't happen quickly y'know, I've spent half an hour writing one post before. Actually in one game I spent about 3 hours doing one ISO read (It wasn't worth it especially considering I was scum in that game).Vi wrote:Also, this post is ruiningfun by pointing out that the Eater of Tims has posted onsite within the last fifteen minutes, but is woefully absent ITT.Timeater's
...though what he posted after is rather lacking in the content department.
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I love the people who are saying I "redeemed" myself when I never did anything scummy in the first place.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Epic scumslip, Time.
BUT I STILL WANT NHAMMEN LYNCHED.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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SSBF, Mason = not mafia, Monk = not werewolf, therefore Vezo = not scum.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Goddammit SSBF please read. The masons in this game are NOT mafia. It's part of the point of having 2 different masonesque groups.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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unvote, vote: nhammen
I think we're forgetting why we're here, guys.
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Midnight is missing the point.
My original reasons =/= BS
My original reasons = easy logic to follow that damns Nhammen because he knows he's caught
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Then you don't understand my reasons which means you probably aren't reading my posts since I spelled them out pretty clearly.
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So you're saying you think he's town but his role is useless anyways so we should lynch him.Chronopie wrote:A roleblocker is not a useful town role. Due to being uninformed, there is a much higher potential of missing a Block, or even Hitting something useful (Such as a cop).
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Again.Chronopie wrote:A roleblocker is not a useful town role. Due to being uninformed, there is a much higher potential of missing a Block, or even Hitting something useful (Such as a cop).
Y'know what. Screw it.unvote, vote: Chronopie
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Chronopie wrote:A roleblocker is not a useful town role. Due to being uninformed, there is a much higher potential of missing a Block, or even Hitting something useful (Such as a cop).ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Lol Nhammen is going to use meta.
unvote, vote nhammen
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Nhammen, I can't be a VI if I'm right.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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You're sour that I made a good case against you and that you're going to get lynched because of it. I'm not a VI by any standards.nhammen wrote:
But if at the end of the game, we find out that you are wrong, can I call you a VI? Can I gloat about it in the end of game part of the thread? Can I push for a policy lynch of you in any future game I play with you? Because I soooo want to do that.Parama wrote:Nhammen, I can't be a VI if I'm right.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Wait, so foilist, you're saying nhammen's accusations against you are completely valid?
unvote, vote: foilist13
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By the way, logic: If foilist agrees with nhammen's points against him, then they are in fact valid and my case against nhammen is invalid because foilist himself has said nhammen's words are true.
So foilist says that the main reason nhammen is calling him scum is indeed the truth. Basically, admitting to being scum. Good job mate.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I shouldn't have to do this but you guys will probably need it.
^this is admission of guilt^foilist13 wrote:2)Clearly I was trying to get him to explain his role. I don't really understand how you didn't see that, but I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt. Nhammen was wrong in thinking that what I was doing was inherently scummy. I do not however need to defend my vezo case here.
Nhammen: foilist is rolefishing
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foilist: yes I'm rolefishing
Again. :s
Missing the bigger issue. You and Chrono were accused of the same thing, yet nhammen votes you and doesn't even put Chrono on his scumlist.foilist13 wrote:3) FoS is the logical thing to do if you're already voting someone else. This is not scummy.
So you're saying he was wrong, yet you agree that he was right? Contradiction much?foilist13 wrote:nhammen was voting on the basis that asking for a role claim this early in the game was a scum move. If you take that as a given, his case was legitimate. It was pointed out to him that he was wrong, and he dropped the case. Scum move? I think not.
You have done nothing to disprove my case - all you've done is incriminate yourself in defense of nhammen. Hell, you might be buddies and nhammen was just getting an early bus in. I don't see why you're going to such great lengths to defend someone who was called out after a vote on you.foilist13 wrote:Your initial case is therefore illegitimate and can therefore be discounted.
^more admission of guilt^foilist13 wrote:My questions were my major points. How could he possibly defend himself from them without claiming? Those were not rhetorical at all.
The two crimes are weighted equally since they same offense is being committed. Yet you defend nhammen's vote on you.foilist13 wrote:As I said before, Chrono's role searching was far more conservative than mine. I wanted to know his role. nhammen thought that was scummy. The fact that he thought Chronopie's posts were more legitimate is not at all implausible.
Wrong, you were the one hidden rolefishing, and Chrono's was blatant.foilist13 wrote:1) This was a ridiculous comment. However, this post by nhammen is the first one to lend some credibility to your case through no fault of your own. He does say that hidden rolefishing is scummier than blatant rolefishing. I was blatant rolefishing, Chronopie was hidden scumfishing (presumably).
Oh, haha, you're going off the basis that nhammen finds Chrono scummier than you, aren't you. Haha. That's hilarious.
I think this is completely irrelevant to my point.foilist13 wrote:2) His defenition of towniness was refering to the scum hunter, not the one being hunted. One has nothing to hide as in "if you want to rolefish, do it openly."
^admission of guilt^foilist13 wrote:1) This was not asked in frustration. I legitimately wanted the answer.
^admission of guilt^foilist13 wrote:2) This is relevant to his role, and claiming would be the only real way of defending himself from it.
Wow, you're really trying to turn something that isn't rolefishing at all into rolefishing just so nhammen's case looks more valid? Why in hell's name would a townie do that?foilist13 wrote:3) This clearly is relevant to his being a mason, which is role information.
facepalm.jpgfoilist13 wrote:Clearly you didn't have any main points, so what did you expect him to defend against exactly?
If he's not even going to bother defending himself then I have every right to call him out for it, don't I?foilist13 wrote:1) No it is not a defense, it is a statement. A legitimate one incidentally.
^total BS^foilist13 wrote:1) You haven't made any valid points.
??? what is this in reference to?foilist13 wrote:2) His argument hasn't changed, he's just taken a crack at finding scum.
??? was there a point to this paragraph? I can't see one.foilist13 wrote:3) Yes it would lead to a scum lynch. That means that we can assume there will be scum on EVERY wagon until the end. One scum team will always be able to lynch someone who is not their own. This is a helpful legitimate point, not a weaksauce defense.
For starters, I didn't add pointless filler to my posts just to make them longer.foilist13 wrote:Whatdidyou do?
Maybe "epic scumslip" was an exaggeration. How about "large ping on a scumdar that isn't quite as big as nhammen's".foilist13 wrote:...what? An epic scumslip would far outweigh everything you've brought up about nhammen even if it was legitimate.
I've BEEN tunneling. Yup. It didn't START at one pointfoilist13 wrote:Now you're just tunneling.
What's the point of defending a case that's valid? What's the point of defending a case at all? A case is meant to attack.foilist13 wrote:You're lack of meaningful defense for your crap-case is noted.
I'm not defending anything. So yes, nice observation, sherlock.foilist13 wrote:To quote you: ^This is not a defense^
Lol. Wow. You're ignorant.foilist13 wrote:So this scum slip was enough to deter you from your nhammen case, but the epic one earlier was not? Interesting.
I can call something a scumslip but it wouldn't look that way in everyone's eyes. What would you say if I said nhammen had scumslipped 3 times?foilist13 wrote:...so now nhammen's alleged degeneration of play is enough to outweigh Chronopie's scumslip? Even though you don't like Chronopie's defense?
I didn't wagon hop if I ended up right back where I started in short period of time.foilist13 wrote:Now you're somehow managing to tunnel nhammen AND wagon hop at the same time. This is impressive.
No, I can't.foilist13 wrote:
Yes you can.Parama wrote:Nhammen, I can't be a VI if I'm right.
Then at least 12 others in this game are even worse VIs. Are you willing to stand by your standards if your standards are wrong?foilist13 wrote:You didn't make a good case, and you're a VI by mine.
Giving yourself a reason to vote later in case a wagon on me forms, eh? If you want to vote me, DO IT NOW SCUM.foilist13 wrote:This concludes your posts. Based on what you've presented I see no reason whatsoever to vote nhammen. I actually see a lot more reason to vote you. However I'm going to reserve my vote for now until I've had a chance to analyze some of the other players.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I don't want "votes" on me. I want foilist to vote me. He's put more logic up against me than he has anyone else yet he absolutely refuses to vote. He's leaving himself open to come back and vote me later if a wagon builds on me, but he doesn't want to vote right now. This is scummy.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
Why do you want votes on you? I see no benefits in this whatsoever. As any factions, you want to avoid votes period.Parama wrote:You have until your next post to vote me or die a horrible death.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Guys, we have a nhammen/foilist scumteam. GG.foilist13 wrote:I said I would vote after I was done analyzing other players. I'm not in the habit of tossing my vote around willy-nilly.
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I stopped reading your post here because if you're going to misrepresent me like that then I have no reason to read a word of the BS your posting.foilist13 wrote:Ok, so Parama and Chronopie OMGUS voted me. Good play to both of you.
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YOU HAVE NOT DISPROVED ANY OF MY LOGIC. ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS CALL IT CRAP WITHOUT GIVING ANY EVIDENCE.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I'm making myself look bad because foilist is lacking any sort of logic in his posts and instead seems satisfied with calling me a VI and calling my points crap without giving reasons. Right. You're a terrible scumhunter then, sorry to tell you.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Fine, there is no sense in foilist's attacks on me and my case, happy now?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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