NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

[Timeater]

boomshakalaka

i signed up for this game to stalk Vi

[Timeater]

boomshakalaka

i signed up for this game to stalk Vi

Why would you do that?

I joined this game to stalk Unsight

I don't want to say anything relevant until the Day begins (specifically, until scumtalk has probably ended).

beeeeeeecaaause you're the "paragon of mafia hunters"

and i was impressed at how you handled serum&steel after i raged out.

[Timeater]

I find your avatar unsatisfactory, SSBF.

[Timeater]

Does anyone know any men named Michel? I don't. I wish I did though.

Hey everyone, look, SSBF is the center of attention! Everyone talk about him! Everyone debate over his silly gimmick!

Quick! DO IT GODDAMIT!!

I was considering doing a gimmick for this game until I was preempted by

you know who

. I wasn't going to use any pictures, just a codebox, a list, and scumpoints. Every time I see something scummy, that person gets a scumpoint. Whoever has the most scumpoints dictates who I vote for, who I want lynched, and shows my general thoughts towards other players. Its like his list without the silly arrows. Just an example:

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foilist13:2
Leafsnail:1
Lowell:9
Midnight's Sorrow:3
LynchMePls:6
SSBF:4
Vi:7

And I'd just add people to the list over time when I see scummy things. Simple, really.

[Timeater]

Wow pretty scummy of you guys, I believe I said it was an example.

Insecure huh?

What was I thinking? *bonk*

XD SO RANDUM!! *BONK BONK* *LAUGH*!!!! XD!!!

[Timeater]

oh snap I missed Vi's questionaire!

*How many games have you finished, here or elsewhere? (I don't particularly need to know details here)
*Do you consider yourself an experienced player?
*Are we there yet?
*How about now?

1. 30ish, probably 500+ over irc
2. yes
3. no
4. ok

[Timeater]

thinking about it, 500 is way too much. probably like 150.

¿oh, so sorry, is that too detailed T_T?

[Timeater]

I'm not going to do it this game.

1. I would
2. No. I don't believe in town reads. Read my wiki. NOBODY READS THE WIKI
3. I dont see how that matters.
4. No.

[Timeater]

FIRST VOTE

WOAHHHHHHH

VOTE SSBF

[Timeater]

FIRST VOTE

WOAHHHHHHH

VOTE SSBF

[Timeater]

This is... pretty much a list of everyone who's posted content so far?

Except Parama and Chronopie. Interesting.

@105 - Give me examples, Parama. And refer to where you said this before.

Also, please tell me what you think of Timeater's list, which is fundamentally the same idea.

I was just putting names down at random, they have no consequence. I said it was just an example, do you not understand?

Are you actually being predatory or just silly?

unvote

Lets move out of RVS quick.

[Timeater]

Ugh, 5 pages overnight? You guys are killing my productivity.

Oh, I thought by "example" you meant "For example, this is what I think now".

Nevermind.

Okay.

I initially firstvoted for SSFB to see if a wagon would grow and how it would grow. I am not taking into account "pregame scumminess" because I believe to do so is rash and overzealous, considering all the variables that can account for non-normal play in a phase like that.

I have somewhat of an inside source and I can tell you that lynchmepls is in the mafia but he's not werewolf. And no I don't know this cause I'm scum.

unvote:vi
Vote:Lynchmepls

Uhhhh...wat?

Timeater gets a special mention for scummy 121 as well.

Can you please elaborate on how post 121 was scummy?

Unvote

vote:Vi

Vi's mind games scare me quite a bit.

What mindgames? Even if you were "scared", how is that a proper reason to vote? Please elaborate.

Quick question, so sorry, but what standard role can day investigate or pre-game investigate? Follow-up when I can read more.

[Timeater]

Is there a way to search a specific thread through google?

[Timeater]

catching up, will post soon

Also, this post is ruining Timeater's fun by pointing out that the Eater of Tims has posted onsite within the last fifteen minutes, but is woefully absent ITT.

D:

non sequitur: doesn't it seem like Vi's avatar is laughing at the size of your penis?

[Timeater]

not really laughing, more like, disgustedly amused. anyhoo

[Timeater]

Jesus H. Christ on a flying magical donkey. They ferriswheel has gone round n' round.

D1: The Condensed Version!

~~~~~~somewhat in order

^Vi impersonation

6 pages of pregame foolishness

SSBF pregame scummery, arguments over his noobishness ensue.

Parama's super-zealous attacks on SSBF are matched by the caliber of his mistakes. Scuminess ensues.

Arguments over LMP's noobishness ensue.

Vi's irrelevant questionaire, Vi's several early "town tells"

Seraphim and Vi's sidebar

Leaf's hunting and somewhat aggressive posting style seems to dominate several conversations.

daniel's annoying softclaim and color usage

Before page 10, several active lurkers emerge: The Goat & Midnight's Sorrow. While Pman, Robotnik (and myself :<) could be considered 'real' lurkers

This bombshell:

Oh my fucking God.

Well, this is utterly and completely retarded so let me clear this up.

I am a Mason. Both Vezo and Daniel are Masons with me. I know that they are not Mafia. I am currently ensuring that they are also confirmed non-werewolves as well. I have no clue where Vezo is getting his information. I have no idea where Daniel is getting his information.

askbob's rage level goes haywire, scum suspicions rise

Chronopie starts to ping a few scumdars, including my own.

foilist comes out swinging, pushes vezo

Robotnik surfaces; advocates daniel lynch

nhammen wagon emerges, several people shamelessly hop on (vi, lowell, pman)

"Interesting" Sevis post:

Interesting finds, both nhammen and Parama. Now that I re-read foilist's posts, he does seem to be rolefishing quite a bit: previously, I took this for him just trying to make sense of the game. I still don't get the feeling that he's scum, but I'm not too sure just yet. Vezo really is contributing far less to the game than he could be, hinting at the role without any clarification only helps scum, as far as I can see.

The speed with which Chronopie jumped on the nhammen wagon does surprise me -- he seems to be hoping to put the focus away from him and thus be forgotten. This doesn't look like very pro-town play to me. I also have to agree that his attempts at rolefishing would cause more harm if they were successful (I see LMP's role and knowledge to currently be of more importance than vezo's).

This gem!

I am a monk (functionally the same as a mason). I am one of three. Vezo is one of the other monks. I choose to not disclose the third monks identity at this time.

As a monk, I know that my monk partners ARE NOT werewolves. I do not know if they are mafia or not.

When Vezo started spewing his unbelievable "Lynch is mafia" business, I was initially confused. When he then started accusing daniel, I started to get an idea about where his info was coming from. When Seraph made the claim, all the pieces fell into place. There are essentially two groups that can talk at night. 1 is a mason group that knows each other are not mafia. The other is a monk group that knows each other aren't werewolves. To further complicate things, Vezo is in both.

For some reason, my guess being that Vezo isn't good at logic, Vezo thinks that because he was told "the members of this group can't be werewolves" he thinks that means one of them MUST be mafia. And since he was told that "a member of this mason group can't be mafia" he took that to mean one of them MUST be a werewolf. I'll give you all a moment to digest this appalling use of logic. For some of us who are logic challenged, I'll use this example. X can belong to the group A, B, or C. You are told X is not A. Does that mean X is B??? Clearly not.

Now, for whatever reason, he decided that between me and the other member of our group, I must be the mafioso.

What does this tell us: First and foremost, since no one in Seraph's group can be mafia, and no one in my group can be werewolf, and Vezo is in both, VEZO IS CONFIRMED TOWN. PLEASE STOP TRYING TO LYNCH HIM. It also tells us that Vezo's logic isn't very sharp, and we should be careful with any conclusions he draws from information. (I don't mean to be rude, this is just a fact). Lastly, the possibility does exist that Seraph, daniel, and MonkX are scum, though they can only belong to a specific faction.

I'm pretty sure Vezo completely wrecked the usefulness of the Monk and Mason groups. I think at this point, the best way to salvage the situation is to confirm a townie, and get us back on track hunting for scum amongst the rest of the game. This explains why I said that of the three masons, daniel is the most likely to be scum, but I wanted to be clear I didn't mean that daniel IS scummy. I think Seraph's claim only makes sense if he is not a mason/werewolf. If he were a mason/werewolf he would have been happy to let the whole thing continue spiraling out of control

.

More claims! Yay!

Your main points are absolute crap! I try to disprove and nobody thinks these arguments are any good. Have you ever tried to argue with a Creationist? Same thing. Or at least it feels that way to me. But maybe that is my viewpoint.

It seems it is time for me to claim. I am a roleblocker. And I would also make claims about the intelligence of the people on this wagon, but I think that would be against the site rules.

Also, the vezo info was obvious to anybody that was paying any attention at all. And I would have preferred that there was no claim, so that no matter what LMPs alignment, the Werewolves would think he is Cop and would kill someone that is only partially confirmed rather than someone that is completely confirmed.

Well, now what?

I forget anything?

unvote

vote: Chronopie

Chronopie has been the scummiest player in this confusing game by alot. Building a case against him is easy. If you temporarily forget some of the claims and the scumtheories regarding the people accused in those circles, Chronopie is still a solid lynch. Think about canoeing in a river. Vezo/Daniel/Seraph are the rapids, LMP/nhammen are waterfalls, Chronopie is the nice little tributary you can just chill down while enjoying some pleasant conversation with your canoeing buddy. His lynch is the path of least resistance. Those other things will sort themselves out. What the fuck Timeater are you on crack? Anyway, I need to pee. I'll post later.

[Timeater]

[words that don't say anything]

Its so easy anyone can do it!

My play-by-play is not irrelevant! I'm trying to share my thoughts as quickly and succinctly as possible as I dont really have the time or the mindfuel to sort through this game

at the moment

. D1 bullshit aside, the game will eventually thin out and become fun. If I make it to that point in time, hooray. If not, shrug!

[Timeater]

Not only was the post completely fluffy and useless, it would be the third time I've seen someone try to interject humor into their catch-up posts to make it more interesting for them to type. The first two people I've seen do it were scum (SerialClergyman saw the second time, when xRx did it).

By the way, insulting vezo doesn't count as content.

You know, repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true. Thats not how truth works. So sorry. If you haven't noticed, I tend to "inject" the funny into almost all my posts, so I dont see how your "oh look its one of dem scummers tryin to look amicable so we won't suspect nuttin'" point is valid.

Also, what about those other two? What do they have to do with me? How does what you interpret as their 'injecting humor into catchup posts' have anything to do with me doing it? Is that a tell on me or what?

Epic scumslip, Time.

BUT I STILL WANT NHAMMEN LYNCHED.

This coming from Parama is amusing. I can see how me saying

"Building a case against him (Chronopie) is easy."

might be seen as a scummer "slipping up" in the respect that, if I were scum, I would be so dumb as to blatantly expose my plans to "frame up" Chronopie. I could understand how you would think that,

if you were a toddler.

Read the rest of the paragraph. Puh-lease.

[Timeater]

do it do it do it

[Timeater]

Where is the blood, I see no blood.

[Timeater]

Agreed, to post something like this, being a big time lurker too, seems suspicious. FoS on Timeater, but no vote yet.

yes...

blood...blood...

in the shadows i lurk
some might call me a jerk
but i just smirk
and continue with my work

[Timeater]

Yes, you got me. I am a jester.

My plans have been foiled.

[Timeater]

unvote
Vote: Parama

[Timeater]

I haven't even done a full read. I've skimmed. This week if I have a couple hours to waste I'll look the thread over. But right now its pretty apparent to me, despite a few highlights, D1 has just been a whole lot of shouting with everyone drowning each other out. With two other games going along with work and graduation, this game is sadly low on my list of priorities. I was going to ask for a replacement (I always bite off more than I can chew) but I changed my mind because I actually do want to play this game. I just can't invest in it

right now.

[Timeater]

The majority has spoken, bla bla bla, etc, bla

Lynch Chrono already.

[Timeater]

unvote

Vote: Chronopie

Don't remember switching.

[Timeater]

ugh

unvote

Vote: Chronopie

[Timeater]

i lol'd

[Timeater]

Oh and I'd like to tell you something. You just disrespected the mod of this game by giving up via self-hammer. If you self-hammer to kill yourself, you are a quitter. I suggest reading over your posts in this game in the future and I hope you facepalm.

Double lol

[Timeater]

oh look, a wagon.

Vote: Midnight's Sorrow

doopdedoopdedoo

[Timeater]

chugga chugga chugga chooo choooooooooo

[Timeater]

I roleblocked SGR.

I don't think there is any chance of NK WIFOM, but there is something else I am worried about.

More comments after I catch up on ... 3 pages in the past 12 hours? Which will happen after the movie I'm watching ends...

I dont see what we have to lose with this course of action.

unvote
Vote: SGR

[Timeater]

[Timeater]

Hello chaps!

Why isn't SGR lynched yet?

[Timeater]

Ok, unvote for now. If SGR is getting replaced then there is no reason to be voting him, and there is now enough D2 content for fresh reads on people.

Disagree, SGR's current status is more about nhammen than it is about himself.

Do you find his high-vote count indicative of mafia/wolf bandwagoners?

[Timeater]

Timeater - firstly, what makes you so sure nhammen is town? Secondly, what makes you so sure he blocked the mafiakill?

Did I say he was town?

What makes you so sure he didnt?

[Timeater]

Do often put words in other people's mouths, Leaf?

If he's lying about being town, there's a good chance he lied about blocking SGR, yes? And thus your case would crumble to nothing.

Crackaddict logic.

I'm not sure he didn't - just in a closed game with 22 players left alive there are plenty of other ways to stop a kill.

Like what?

[Timeater]

Nhammen is making me dubious of his dubiousness.

Robotnik do you feel that voting for me when there is no real argument against me accept my lurkiness is proper given the current flow of conversation?

All these people attacking foilist, can you give me 1 quote where he shows how scummy he truly is?

[Timeater]

unvote

Ray of Hope: As certain peolple tend to be grouping together, I think once we lynch a scummer it should be fairly easy tracking down the rest of their gang. My opinion at least, from what I've observed so far about how this game has been played. /preempts blase accusations about this being a scummy thing to say

I'm wary of how nhammen left the Socrates wagon. That was a little too easy. The wagon was fine for nhammen until SGR is replaced by someone who actually talks back. Next thing we see is nhammen shaking his hand and wandering away.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.

RE: Parama: My experience with him thus far in this game is that he tunnels like no other. He calls people obvscum and stops playing, and insists that his previous cases are the final word on any matter and refuses to refute responses to them. I don't know what experience you've had with him, but mine has been very different.

Can you elaborate further on Parama's character and playstyle?

Foilist, post 627 is terrible because you spent an entire page calling Parama scummy/stupid and then you avoid voting him and instead vote for the Mislynch Of The Day(tm), a classic scumtell. You have repeatedly waffled between calling Parama scum and calling him dumb and refuse to take a hard stance on him in any way. Even now you decline to meet him head on and instead try to take him out at the knees and discredit him by calling into question his competence while simultaneously suggesting (but not outright saying) that he is scum. You are not interested in Parama's actual alignment, only in making that yapping dog go away.

How is mislynching in a gigantic game a "classic scumtell", sir? Do you assign the same scumtell to all the other people who voted Chronopie? Do you assign that tell to me as well?

If he's lying about being town, there's a good chance he lied about blocking SGR, yes? And thus your case would crumble to nothing.

Why would a scummer claim and go for such a brutal gambit early on in a game this big? Is that really a tactically sound decision? What do you feel nhammen's motivations are?

[Timeater]

LMP, go to the bottom of the page.

See where it says "Display posts from previous"?
Go to the "All users" section, select foilist.
Once that is up, hit ctrl+F and type in Parama.

[Timeater]

Quick question, I cant seem to find the answer to, but how exactly are the masons confirmed again?

[Timeater]

I'm not defending foilist, I'm attacking you.

You have yet to answer my question, So-Crates.

[Timeater]

@So-Crates

I am not defending foilist. I am attacking you. Also, you haven't answered my question.

Also, what does insulting players accomplish? No butts about it, that is what you are doing. Of course the vast majority of people wont be able to remember your attack post in this massive game. Everything needs to be referenced in games like this. Your "theory" is nothing more than a veiled insult.

[Timeater]

Timeater is on the same team as foilist. Note the lack of connection with foilist and the vague "attack" on socrates.

Heh. Still not answering questions are we? You would rather make predatory accusations like you have been most of the game coupled garbled misinformation? Oh you would? Ok.

Vote: Leafsnail

Socrates is obviously fighting for his life. Are you all so keen to politely forget SGR?

Anyways, if you must - go ahead, lynch foilist (I am of the opinion Leaf is a better lynch, obviously).

It wont matter that he'd(foilist) be a victim of a feedback loop of non-information and accusation. His tunnel-vision inquisitors will be put to the blade for their scuminess soon enough.

[Timeater]

*** Can we play the list your top three suspects game? ***

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1. Leafsnail
2. Parama
3. Socrates

IF EVERYONE COULD RESPOND WITHOUT MASSIVE WALLS OF TEXT THAT WOULD BE GREAT, THANKS.

[Timeater]

Parama if you could post actual content once in a while that would be great, thanks.

[Timeater]

@Timeater: Can we at least explain why?

No, that defeats the purpose.

[Timeater]

Actually Leaf, I've considered you scummy since like page 6.

My request is pretty simple, I don't see the harm in posting their top three suspects. Why the resistance? Why so scared? Just do it.

For those who haven't yet, please post your top three suspects.

[Timeater]

V/LA till monday

[Timeater]

Ahoy, mateys.

We're all posting our top 3 scumspects. It's not a request, it's an order.

Correctomundo.

People who haven't listed their top three:

Dr. Robotnik
Dry-Fit
Animorpherv1
Faraday
Nachomamma8
Nikanor
Pomegranate
SerialClergyman
Sevis
Foilist

Foilist, you only listed two. Please be more specific and choose someone from "the lurkers".

@Everyone

Thank you for your cooperation.

[Timeater]

by the way add askbob to the above list

[Timeater]

Timeater would have been on it, but lately he's been posting more and generally acting more townie then before, a great improvement.

I dont act.

No. I haven't read the game, I'm not giving you my top three suspects. Sorry.

You wont or you wont right now?

As suspected, Timeater didn't flip the fuck out over foilist failing his test in the same way he did when he failed to see the three suspicions I posted.

Dear god you are the master of misrep. Have I flipped out at anyone so far concerning listing their top 3 suspects? No. So what basis do you have for this premise? None.

I did post my top 3 suspects... which you'd know if you actually read my posts.

You said something about me in ISO post 10, but you seemed to accept my answer in ISO post 11 (yeah, it was just a misunderstanding on my behalf). You then say nothing about me until post 35, but this doesn't seem particularly aggressive. Perhaps 36 was, but you don't actually accuse me... then you ignore me apart from one question until post 43, where you vote me. So no, I don't accept that you've considered me scummy since page 6.

Right, but I was asking again and asking everyone, obviously. (Note that he later lists his top three like everyone else.)

If you haven't noticed, I wasn't quite active for a good portion of the game. Graduation and all that jazz. I don't have to scream to the heavens I think you are scummy for it to be so. I know what I know and truth is truth. Do think that I care if you accept what I think or not?

Bullshit detected: nhammen isn't a lurker. Logically, if "The lurkers" was your third suspicion, then your third suspicion should be the lurker you regard as worst.

All that being said, I do agree with this sentiment. What gives, foil? Nhammen is most defintely not a lurker. Typo? Brain fart? I see nothing about lurkers in post #1246.

[Timeater]

Top 3 Suspects
1) Parama
2) Leafsnail
3) The lurkers

1) Parama
2) leafsnail
3) nhammen

Between Socrates and nhammen, I would support an nhammen lynch. Socrates predecessor was certainly as scummy as nhammen, but Socrates was less so.

As far as the role claim, we have more information to gain from lynching nhammen than Socrates. If he flips town roleblocker, then that would incriminate socrates. If he flips scum then Socrates is highly unlikely to be on the same scum team, but could still be on the other.

If we lynch Socrates we really get no info on nhammen at all unless he flips mafia, and even that can be disputed.

So in interests of this I will add nhammen as third on my scum list.

Sooo, you just change your mind or something?

@Timeater: I didn't write that.

What do you claim you didn't write? I'm lost.

[Timeater]

Aha, my bad.

[Timeater]

Doesn't it seem like Leafsnail is perpetually bending the truth to suit his own arguments and accusations?

1) I honestly dont think foilist has made that many mistakes this game. I dont have town reads. This is how I assign scumminess. The more mistakes a person makes, the more I think they are scum.

2) Your first post. I took it as more than just a mistake on your part. It seemed like an over-eager attempt to discredit me. I didn't want to make a big deal of it at the time because I wasn't around to do so. I wasn't hiding them, I was biding my time, until I could become more active. The brief spar we had later on confirmed my suspicions.

And ad-hom attacks are not ok.

I will post later.

[Timeater]

@leaf

I dont consider getting angry and using ad-hom attacks a scumtell. I consider it getting angry. And yes, we are scum buddies. You caught us. Yep, you got it right. Bah! Better luck next game, I guess.

Also, people who have yet to state their top three scumspects:

Animorpherv1
Faraday
Nachomamma8
Nikanor
Pomegranate
SerialClergyman
Shrinehme

I ain't askin alot, people.

@nacho

What gives you ignore my question and go for a contentless vote on nhammen. Y u do dis?

So, to summarize, socrates replaces some idiot and we're all like "ooo, poor socrates, let's stop voting him!", then shrine replaces some idiot and we're all like "yeah, let's vote the new guy!", despite the obviousness of socrates being scum. Really? Thank god I skipped the foilist wagon-drama entirely.

Or they could BOTH be scum.

[Timeater]

Oh god its SpyreX

run

[Timeater]

Replace me if you haven't already