NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

[Parama]

Hi Blaze, you still hate me right? Regardless, vote foilist.

Also yeah please don't get modki- ONGOING GAME

[Parama]

Ugh. I'm not hammering. This looks like a mislynch. All signs point towards Socrates flipping town.

[Parama]

Hey look the mafia are shooting at masons durrr
Someone doc vezok tonight.

I'll lynch whichever of Unsight/foilist/Pome gains the most votes. Foilist's statistical proof that "ZOMG Socrates is scum!!!!" + Socrates townflip = lol failscum, Unsight's sudden switch once it became LESS likely that Socrates was scum is terribad, and Pome sheeping on right after the other two makes them an obvious scumteam. Seriously. Why did we lynch Socrates again?

[Parama]

hnnnnnnng
So we're not going to lynch obvious scumzorz today?

[Parama]

^no he was waiting to see if someone would vote MS first - testing the waters

vote: foilist

I'm freaking sick of this game and this moronic town who fails to lynch obvious scum

[Parama]

Cute, Pome wants to bus foilist.

[Parama]

We've already done that. This is not a time for cases, this is a time for lynching obvious scum.

[Parama]

Probably not what you're asking about and you also need to reread the game because lots of stuff won't make sense out of context ITT.

[Parama]

ok, i'll try again!

Socrates must be town.

did anyone else find this post to be scummy? HOW DOES HE KNOW? a common scum tell! (+10)

vote battle mage

Issues:
1. He was right
2. He proved why he was right
3. Your vote is a logical fallacy

[Parama]

OH MY GOD THANK YOU WE'RE FINALLY GOING TO LYNCH THIS BASTARD

[Parama]

So you're not denying that you're scum? That sounds like a confession: "Okay you guys have no proof that I'm scum though I am in fact scum"

[Parama]

C'mon.
foilist is scum. Please lynch obv scum who claims scum.

this, to me, feels like scum baiting us into a mislynch. i haven't read the entire game, but that's what i'm going to assess it as at base value. why should i believe a bullshit mason claim? aren't the mafia's fucking masons? i don't trust this slot.

Furcolow, before making more BS assumption, you need to freaking read the thread. Stop posting until you're read the thread from beginning to end, otherwise I'm going to ignore every word you say because you obviously have no idea what's going on here.

[Parama]

Your posts contain faillogic and nothing you've said is worth my time. I've read the thread and I've posted in it plenty of times. I know the current situation. You don't. You have no idea what the hell's going on in this game and because of it every time I post I want to daykill you for the stupidity of your arguments and logic.

Please read the thread. It's really goddamn important that you know what we're doing and why. And yes, I am pissed at you. If you didn't get the idea. Stop posting. Start reading. Failure to do so will result in you getting lynched. Oh god I wish I had a daykill this game is driving me nuts.

[Parama]

Welp, then he MUST be scum!

[Parama]

I am not scum, in fact, I am one of the only people trying to scumhunt at all.

Your targets:
Someone who correctly called a townie as town in a game with 2 scum factions
A confirmed townie

durrrrr

[Parama]

I've been trying to get foilistscum lynched since D1. Only now is he dying, 3 days too late.
And if you were really "trying" you'd read the thread
gg

[Parama]

Well, it could've been 100.

[Parama]

Lolwut
What if all of one scumteam is already on the wagon? That's the worst reason for calling someone town ever.

[Parama]

1. I am saying that it's possible and in fact likely
2. I do not know this for sure
3. This scenario is being used to disprove the worst attempt at getting a town read on someone ever
4. if you are foilist's scumbuddy, hammer
5. if you are not foilist's scumbuddy, hammer

[Parama]

I'd give foilist a hammer full of modkill if I were the mod.
But that's just me.

i feel like you are mafia or werewolf, parama. there really aren't many town players left with me.

Thanks for telling me, because I'm totally interested that someone who has no idea what's going on in this game has a scum read on me because I'm telling them to read the thread.

[Parama]

Cool story bro. But you're wrong. Foilist is scum, along with his buddies Unsight and Pomegranate. But I'm not.

[Parama]

Lol, he votes him after the hammer.

[Parama]

My theory is starting to hold a lot more weight now that foilist flipped scum, eh?

vote: Unsight

If either Ythan or Pome get a bigger wagon I'll join that one though. Furc's actions during D4 are hilarious and he was obviously against a foilist lynch (chainsaw defended him by attacking me, methinks). So that's why he made the list of potential scumbuddies, though I'm worried that buddies wouldn't be that obvious. But that's WIFOM.

[Parama]

SSBF, Unsight is all but confirmed scum. Lynch him up.

[Parama]

BTW I already disproved your supposed "scumlinks", Unsight.

Die scum die.

Also, Rich.
Stop talking.
Read the thread. The whole damn thing.
Do not post until you have done this.

[Parama]

Your entire theory hinges around me listing MS as a suspect.
Which is a lie. I gave SpyreX's lynch list. That was his suspect list, not mine. But I approved of his plan so I just went with it + he was obvtown.

[Parama]

Wow. OMGUS more.

You need to read the thread. You replaced into the game, it's not our responsibility to recap everything that's happened for you. It's your responsibility to keep up with the game.

[Parama]

You can claim to a have a reason for any vote, but if the reason's crap, all it looks like is OMGUS.

[Parama]

Richard if you haven't even read the thread yet,(Your words not mine sir) then how in the world can your words, Foses, and vote hold any weight?

^this

Really another way of phrasing what I'm trying to pound into his brain.

[Parama]

My vote and FoS hold weight because they are based on events that occured after I replaced in. Thus, reading the thread was not necessary.

Unvote; Vote Unsight

I already said I was going to BW, so don't even bother.

You cannot just say "Oh I said I would do this so here it goes" and act like you're innocent. That's not an excuse.

[Parama]

No, wait for a claim and a defense you moron.

[Parama]

Nikanor's been in the game <_<
If anyone's flying under the radar, it's Dry-Fit. I didn't know he was in the game until about a week ago.

[Parama]

Ah crap, that IS a modkill :/

[Parama]

Not much time, limited access.

This wagon is full of win and you know my theory even if Unsight flipped town :/

vote: Pome

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[Parama]

Now let's lynch Ythan tomorrow!

[Parama]

Midnight is scum. Dammit why didn't I figure this out sooner.

vote: MS

inb4 Lowell flips scum and I look like scum because of trying to start a counterwagon

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Dry-fit

I forgot he was in the game again. If he's not scum, I fail at mafia forever.

[Parama]

Dry-fit needs to DIE PLZ

[Parama]

VOTE DRY-FIT

[Parama]

LYNCH
DRY-FIT

OH MY GOD
IT'S NOT THAT HARD

[Parama]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... lect=11629

^Read it. Tells you everything you need to know about why Dry-fit is a good lynch.
P.S. It's his ISO and it's short and lacking in content

[Parama]

Assuming 4 scum, there are currently 4 good lynches.

[Parama]

Ythan, give reasons as to why Lowell is a better lynch than Dry-fit.

[Parama]

Ythan, give reasons as to why Lowell is a better lynch than Dry-fit.

Where did this come from? I don't know Dry, Lowell's always a good lynch, and that's all I can tell you.

It came from the fact that you're voting Lowell over Dry-fit.
And that's a terrible answer.

[Parama]

Assuming 4 scum, there are currently 4 good lynches.

So why is Dry-fit a better lynch than the other 3?

He hasn't done crap, his scumhunting is hilariously bad, and he obviously doesn't care about town winning.

[Parama]

Ythan, give reasons as to why Lowell is a better lynch than Dry-fit.

Where did this come from? I don't know Dry, Lowell's always a good lynch, and that's all I can tell you.

It came from the fact that you're voting Lowell over Dry-fit.
And that's a terrible answer.

You should read more.

I don't feel like reading. I know 3 scum at this point - Dry-fit, Ythan, MS. Lowell is just an opportunistic scum-driven bandwagon. Dry-fit is where all the cool kids are. Because he's scum and stuff.

[Parama]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2390193

[Parama]

I never listed you as town, and I never said you weren't on my scumlist (you weren't at the time Unsight said you were <_<).
But like I said, the wagon was full of opportunistic scum, and your vote looked the most opportunistic of them all.

HOWEVER.
Dry-fit is scum beyond a shadow of a doubt. You're just incredibly likely scum; Dry-fit IS scum.

[Parama]

Better response:
Timeater || Battle Mage != AGar

[Parama]

Ythan:
VIs are anti-town by nature. So your argument says that all VIs play to a scum wincon. Which means that any player labeled as a VI MUST be scum in every game they play in.
Obviously, your logic is faulty.

[Parama]

Pro-scum = playing towards a scum win condition

[Parama]

unvote, vote: tubby

yay hammer

[Parama]

Wow, looks like the mafia didn't submit a kill. Dry-fit would have died otherwise (assuming he can't self-protect). - wait derp, the kill flavor last night says AGar couldn't self-protect so Dry-fit almost certainly can't. So yeah.
So the last mafia is someone inactive. Assuming 3-man scumteams, of course. Which seems most likely at this point.

Also, I believe this is lylo, barring possibility of crosskills. We cannot and do not want to miss.
Still thinking about which would be more beneficial out of hunting the last mafia or hunting a werewolf. Getting a mafia would remove a kill, but balancing the teams allows for crosskills, and any crosskill with one man standing on each team would kill off a faction completely. A lack of crosskills would just leave us worse off, though :/

Bleh.

[Parama]

vote: Ythan

Because Lowell doesn't look like scum, and because, rereading, furcolow was so obviously foilist's scumbuddy.

Dry-fit, I may have missed it, but who did you target each night?

[Parama]

No I'm not .-. I was wrong about nhammen, Chrono, Shrine, SSBF, and Unsight, for starters.

[Parama]

Ythan needs to claim.

Lowell not hammering is a good sign.

[Parama]

derp, don't we all claim town? <.<

Roleclaim or you might as well self-hammer.

[Parama]

Lowell is town IMO.

[Parama]

Well there are 2 scum out of these 3 people:
MS, Nik, Rich
So yeah Rich is probably scum. Still, I'm going to withhold my vote for now.

[Parama]

Actually, screw it. I don't think Lowell is scum, I don't think Nikanor is scum, and Vezok is confirmed town, so the scum are MS and Rich.

vote: Richard

gg

[Parama]

I find it odd that you don't list yourself as confirmed town, because if you were town you'd know that you were town and it would be confirmed to yourself.

...I suck at phrasing but you get the point.
And thanks for posting all that without giving an ounce of analysis.

[Parama]

staaagnaaaatiiiing

I'm up for a massclaim, though I wouldn't doubt everyone except vezok will claim VT.
Like me, for instance.

[Parama]

Actually, screw it. I don't think Lowell is scum, I don't think Nikanor is scum, and Vezok is confirmed town, so the scum are MS and Rich.

vote: Richard

gg

Para, I'd just like to point out that you've thought me scum in every game I've been in with you, and I've flipped town every single time (bar once, but I was 3P). See a trend here?

Nothing personal, but it's basically PoE at this point.

[Parama]

If Richard and Parama are both town, we've lost the game already.

Explain this?

[Parama]

Lowell is town, silly.
Also those quickhammer gambits are all theory. I've only seen it done at L-2 once, and that was because of a moronic townie who didn't unvote after the first scum's vote.

[Parama]

Process of Elimination

[Parama]

Lowell is town. Please just bus, scum.

[Parama]

I still think Lowell is town.

[Parama]

I still think Rich is scum <.<

[Parama]

Rich is tryin' to scare us. He's a sneaky little bastard like that. He's pulling a Pie. (this is an inside joke from another forum)

[Parama]

I also thought foilist, Pome, and Ythan were scum. Look where that ended.

[Parama]

I love the crosskill night of failure.

Lol, both teams thought Vi was scum N1, hehe. Well it was mostly me on the werewolf side but meh Vi is a good kill if Vi is town and Vi is a good kill is Vi is scum. I also don't know Vi's gender so I cannot refer to it <_<

[Parama]

Had I known while I was alive that Parama was not a relative newbie but actually a

highly competent scum player

I would have placed him dead to rights right about when he posted I WILL NOT BE SILENCED (i.e. direct willingness to be anti-Town and wrong).

I don't like being a better scum player than town player though because town is so much more fun :< But my scum W/L record kinda speaks for itself - the one loss was a game where I was SK'ed night 1 and didn't get much of a chance to play <.<

[Parama]

Also, arguing over who would send in the kill on Dry-fit was funny.

[Parama]

Had I not gotten vezokpiraka in the way at the time, I probably still would have pushed for a Parama's lynch Day 1 and prehaps he would have been lynched.

Actually, I've been lynched a grand total of 1 time on this site and it was a 7-player wagon with 4 Serial Killers on it (the game had 6 of them), so you probably weren't going to get me lynched, for I am unlynchable (SK shenanigans aside)

Also you were the "easy target" D1 so I threw some dirt on you then started ignoring you.

[Parama]

Was there I dead QT? I saw no mention of one so...

[Parama]

You really won't let people breadcrumb? :S

[Parama]

I always read those hyperaggressive players like Parama as town.

My town play looks almost exactly like my scum play, though many people don't seem to notice this
I am the anti-thesis to meta.

[Parama]

You haven't played a game with town-Parama though.

[Parama]

...vezok, barring an ongoing game, this is the only time I have ever played with you :/

[Parama]

You just replaced into one of those and it's in night <_<
/enough ongoing game talk kthx