NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

[Lowell]

/confirm

[Lowell]

posts like 55 make me lynch-hungry.

[Lowell]

I did. Sorry, the first time stopped reading after the part that said "you win when parama is dead".

[Lowell]

vote parama

. WINCON.

I love early bandwagons, but not SSBF. Games need one or two overeager go-getters early on.

[Lowell]

SSBF is idiot town, a Lowell like character (OOOOOHHH BURNNNNNEDD). Quick wagon is super scummy.

Vote: Dr Robotnik

Haha. He wishes. After all, look how hard this guy tries and still is getting lynched. I haven't done nearly as much and am basically unlynchable.

[Lowell]

Two quick things:

1) I find the bandwagon pushing on parama to be interesting. Can't say I disaprove, seeing as I'm on it. But the pivot is strange.

2) Super townpoints for midnight. NO way scum follows 181 with the hilariously-honest 183.

[Lowell]

I'd say saraphim's claim is real.

I'd go on to say these are crocodile tears, and that masons claiming D1 isn't a big deal.

[Lowell]

I'd go on to say these are crocodile tears

, and that masons claiming D1 isn't a big deal.

Who are you referring to here?

Everyone who has brought this up. I don't want to make a thing out of this, but it's a giant game, and having 3 confirmed town isn't the end of the world. People need to move on.

[Lowell]

I will take the 6)answer: Something you didn't talk about.

Seraphim claimed for whatever stupid reason he had.
I'll

Unvote
Vote daniel94581

If anyone has anything to gain from a mason dying, it would be a non-town-aligned mason. Regardless, daniel looks by far the most town of the three to me.

fos vez

[Lowell]

^^^ that was the longest post to add nothing ever.

unvote, vote robotnik

. Why is it that people bandwagon early, but by page 10 or so everyone loses their nerve?

[Lowell]

I'm kind of leery of the way the Dr. Robotnik wagon formed. A lot of players just saying "I like this wagon" without adding anything else.

That said I don't like Robotnik's response in 319. It's overly theatrical.

I don't see why LynchMePls is town.

I agree with your assessment of 319, and robo's latest is no better. Moreover, I'd dispute that a 6-person wagon is a big deal. That's not even halfway there, so if you're suggesting this will become a convenient "quicklynch" then I doubt it. If he gets lynched he'll deserve it.

I find SCs explanation satisfactory, and consider him pro-town (I also see a little bit of SC-buddying from robo in his last post, but I think that's trying to latch onto a confident player rather than them both being scum).

I'm not thrilled with sevis' 355. Mostly the first sentence about his attempts at activity sort of hit me the wrong way. Players who try hard to monitor their own posting level, IMO, tend to have more to hide.

fos sevis

[Lowell]

Good enough for me.

unvote, vote nhammen

[Lowell]

Now obligatory mod gaming from me. Lowell is scum.

If anyone knows how I deduced this gets 6 vez points.

Because it takes one to know one?

[Lowell]

My explanation of why lowell is scum.

The mod didn't want to start the game early because lowell hasn't confirmed via PM. He then says that after lowell confirmed wants to give more time to the people with night talk abilities. He is not a mason or a monk therefore he must be scum.

Unvote nhammen
Vote Lowell

Wow that's stupid.

Just stupid enough to find you a ready excuse to jump off a nhammen wagon coming too close for comfort, I suspect.

[Lowell]

Chrono and vez need to pay more attention and realize how awesome I am. You're barking up the wrong tree.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote sevis

If this nhammen thing isn't happening, I want to be early on this wagon. My impression is sevis spends a lot of time worrying about his image. An ISO read brings that out even moreso.

[Lowell]

@parama- not that nhammen isn't scum and all, but generally speaking the player doing the following is scum, but the player being followed not necessarily so.

[Lowell]

One NK? I hope this game takes 180 pages to finish.

[Lowell]

This wagon is good.

vote midnight

. His defense/reaction is uninspiring, and looks very much like scum caught for a "stupid" reason, and thus pissed off.

That said, I actually agree with MS on

fos sevis

. In iso he reads horribly.

[Lowell]

With 24 players and 1 NK, I'd say there was probably at least TWO kills blocked last night, not just one.

So if nhammen "blocked" someone, I'd say it's a good guess that person has a killing role.

[Lowell]

Sorry,

vote sgr

. I don't see why we don't test this out.

[Lowell]

Okay, so why don't we go ahead and try to find some proof then...

[Lowell]

Whatever, dude. My vote is good.

[Lowell]

I have sympathy for socrates' situation, what with replacing in with many votes.

But we're still left with someone claiming to have roleblocked someone else and in the process leaving us with waaaaay fewer NKs than standard in a game this size. Right? I'm not willing to watch the socrates wagon die down. His is the only lynch that makes sense.

[Lowell]

Can someone tell me why scum-roleblocker-nhammen would care so much as to "set up" SGR for the kill? Why would he care about some random idiot if he's scum?

It's a bad sign when Lowell is way smarter than everyone else playing in this game. We're screwed.

[Lowell]

Okay I give. Foilist is in fact scummy. But soc is still the play. I'll take the known (a roleblock followed by missing kill

) over scummy behavior (being as I am someone who tends to "look scummy" all the time).

The votes on nhammen and parama are stupid though.

[Lowell]

Yo Lowell, why don't you like the push on nhammen? I get everything else you're saying (although I think the chance of more kill factions than 2 is unlikely given we're in a game consisting of two distinct scum groups that have mod-confirmed distinct killing styles.)

But I don't get why you're anti-nhammen wagon.

I don't find him super-town, if that's your question. But since I believe at least one kill

was

blocked yesterday, I'm not willing to start out by killing the guy who claims to have blocked it.

[Lowell]

1. Socrates*
2. Sevis**
3. Foilist

* Seriously, this lynch is still obvious. I can't see why so many people are ignoring the obvious lack of kills last night GIVEN THAT WE HAVE A CLAIMED ROLE--BLOCKER. It'll take a lot to get me off this vote, because frankly right now socrates is laughing at you all for being idiots.

** The smartest thing this guy ever did was go AWOL. The dumbest thing you guys did was let it work. Every time he opens his mouth it's scummy.

[Lowell]

So, to summarize, socrates replaces some idiot and we're all like "ooo, poor socrates, let's stop voting him!", then shrine replaces some idiot and we're all like "yeah, let's vote the new guy!", despite the obviousness of socrates being scum. Really? Thank god I skipped the foilist wagon-drama entirely.

[Lowell]

Just checking in. Still going with the smart decision and voting socrates. When schizo town settles down come join me.

[Lowell]

Robotnik? Really?

You guys better be right or be prepared for a mega-touchlashing from me. What's the count, should I jump on or what?

[Lowell]

True on all counts.


What's your question?

[Lowell]

@ssbf- because this wagon is in not smart, but I'm tired of arguing the point. I've explained why socrates is the obvious choice, but I'm willing to vote robo if that's what we're doing.

[Lowell]

Meh, who knows. I have no opinion. He's not as obviuosly scum as socrates, which is what's annoying.

[Lowell]

I have an idea, let's all vote socrates.

Hey, yeah, I agree.

Good idea, let's do that!

[Lowell]

I echo the sentiment in 1572, but will go the other way.

unvote, vote shrine

Socrates is laughing at our idiocy right now, I promise.

[Lowell]

Sorry just realized the game was back. I'll catch up, but if I remember I already know the answers and no one listens to me.

[Lowell]

The only thing I care to do right now is restate this:

I still think Serial should be copped.

I still think Nhammen should be Seered.

And Socrates should

absolutely

be NKed. Somebody help yourselves here. For some reason people refuse to lynch him, so if you're scum, don't count on him being the target tomorrow.

[Lowell]

OMG you guys are idiots.

vote socrates

Seriously. WTF. One person dies when PRO-TOWN ROLEBLOCKER blocks someone. Next night, three die. What do you need?

[Lowell]

I don't know how foilist writes that last post and then

doesn't

vote for socrates.

[Lowell]

Sadly, the idiotic and non-believable one-shot vig thing makes socractes as town more possible.

[Lowell]

Two more, please. Then I promise I'll scumhunt tomorrow.

[Lowell]

To socrates' point: I

regularly

, if I find myself playing with a MIA scumparter, will send the absent slot to do the killing (though via my PM). One, I figure he's less likely to be targeted; and two, even if he is, I figure it's better him than me getting caught out. So no, I don't think "my player slot was inactive" is a good defense.

[Lowell]

It took you 74 pages? Really?

[Lowell]

Let's not let BM derail the socrates wagon, please.

[Lowell]

So, now that soc confessed, can we lynch him?

[Lowell]

It's unbelievable how unlynchable socrates is. He's officially my hero.

[Lowell]

Prod avoidance. Nothing will happen until we lynch soc.

[Lowell]

prod received. will pay attention in a bit.

[Lowell]

Oh now I remember why I'm not paying attention. I've been trying to get soc killed forever now.

[Lowell]

vote foilist

I agree. Down with foilist.

[Lowell]

How in the hell did a single thing in what I just said point to that? You are either complacent scum or retarded town. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Case or not, your reaction strikes me much more as "caught scum angry about being lynched for a 'stupid' reason" than "townie genuinely trying to understand the case against him"

[Lowell]

Haha no dead. This game will go 400 pages.

[Lowell]

vote unsight

, fine by me.

[Lowell]

@SSBF- one could make a living on this site just by pointing out my "obvscum"-ness. don't bother, no one will ever believe you.

vote pom

sounds fine to me

[Lowell]

Hahah this is an awesome quicklynch. I love it.

Inevitable if you lurk your shit off all the time. I agree with 2308, though. Scum should think about how easy this lynch seems.

To answer your question preemptively, I have literally zero leads. I haven't been paying attention. I'll look back if you want.

[Lowell]

Lowell never does anything but gloat about how he never gets lynched for his anti-town play.

Heh this is true. What Ythan fails to note is that I'm actually awesome in addition to unlynchable. I'll claim soon, let me sift through my inbox to find my PM.

[Lowell]

haha vanilla.

vote MS

let's get this bandwagon going. Scum protip: if this guy isn't your faction, you need to kill him. Parama says so.

[Lowell]

We need fewer lowell votes.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote ythan

. There's like, no situation in which I wouldn't lynch this guy.

[Lowell]

Very long-winded prod received. Will read back if I'm still alive tomorrow.

[Lowell]

If anyone has anything amazing to report to save me the trouble of catching up, now would be the time. Much obliged.

[Lowell]

I've survived 8 days? This is a new record... by about 6 days.

Ythan trying to lynch me doesn't mean anything, it's just what he does.

If someone has a case against me I'm all ears, otherwise think hard and realize the idiocy in your ways.

[Lowell]

Yay I'm giong to get my chance to hammer ythan! My goal in all games!

Did he claim yet? I dont' remember.

[Lowell]

I've discovered the less I do the more town I look. Tell me how we got to the rich/ms conclusion.

[Lowell]

Also, I don't remember if everyone claimed already, but I don't really get how vez is still alive.

[Lowell]

I'm also VT. To give you minor insight I'm feeling strongly about vez and parama being town. vez' claim is fine, and I've like para throughout. I could take or leave the others.

[Lowell]

I'll do it.

vote richard

congrats if this is a scum win. smart to keep me around.

[Lowell]

If you're town that's probably game over. Meh.

[Lowell]

So you're telling me I was wrong, then. It's happened before, hard as that is to believe.

[Lowell]

In my defense, the alternate wagon was on me.... equally dumb.

[Lowell]

yeah yeah. parama wasn't getting lynched, either way.

[Lowell]

Um, is it not over?

[Lowell]

You forgot Lowell on that list.