NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[Reckamonic]

We'll have our catchup post either tonight or tomorrow night.

[Reckamonic]

So, this is just dram with a catchup for now as Reck had some class to attend

@Chrono: PGO we are
@Kise: Seriously Kise. SERIOUSLY? Don't fall so low as to agree with C-Worl, you have credibility not worth throwing away

I'm curious why
C-Worl, T-Bone, Snake, claw and Garm do not have large wagons on them.
I'm curious why
nobody seems to have pointed out yet how krob is horribly obv non-town (most probably third party)

Considering we know there cant be 2 werewolf factions (barring one of them being a single third party SK), whatever east-side werewolf there is is going to be aligned WITH the west side one (two player scumteam, full steam ahead?)

Nacho, NS and surprisingly enough, Lowell are all obvtown.
Kise needs a slap in the face but is probably town

I'd say at least 66% of the game's antitowns are gonna be in
[C-Worl, T-Bone, Claw, Garm, Snake, Krob]
Considering its 24 players, if werewolf are all together 3-2-1 is kinda possible (though evil for scum if they have crosskill potential)
if eastside is a single SK wolf 3-3-1 or 4-4-1 is an option

I'll go with 3-3-1 and hope i'm 100% correct on the scumreads

Vote: C-Worl

oh and btw. Next person to call that shitty attempt at content post by C-Worl "totally town" should target me tonight <3

[Reckamonic]

I didn't pick them randomly, they're scummy through varying things. Bad posts, IioA, Fence-sitting... the list goes on, I just didnt make an individual case on each.
and I'm not schitzo, it's my (dram) posting style.
I'll wait for Reck to get up to date before really running loose.

[Reckamonic]

Are you serious Kise?
That's fucking awful.

Also, Jindori is a newb, it would have been easy as hell to bus the shit out of him over practically anything. Ray defending him is poor, shitty play, but we can't account for that.
Jindori puking watcher all over the place is due to playing mafia on Pokemon Online. They have this awful, awful attempt at a concept over there. It's even worse than epicmafia, and that's saying something. Watchers exist there in larger setups. It's poor play and rolefishing on his part, but again, we can't account for that.

Let me ask you something Kise. What part of "I am a PGO" is hard for you to grasp? You plan on trying to direct PRs on us for a while like that?

You have absolutely no case on us beyond "Ray was weird post-Jindori .flip.".
Guess what, when it's easy to go "OMG KILL KILL KILL" and be the town's asskisser, not doing it is not necessarely scummy. Yes it's poor, but considering the lack of capacities that Jindori has shown, his crap can sound kind of genuine if you squint a lot.

Now, YOU will get your head out of your cactus and start playing instead of flinging your vote like a VI.

Fuckin Christ.

[Reckamonic]

~Still Dram, Reck hasn't caught up~

[Reckamonic]

And yes, I did go over reasons why I find CW town independent of the easy wagon he had built on him. I've played at least over a dozen games with him offsite and, just like his VT claim, this matches up perfectly with the current playstyle he's using.

And you let him play like that? <_<

Kise, I believe you're town, really. Start playing the part.

In my reread, I have not seen you mention playing with C-Worl off-site (granted, I was mostly noting scummy or townish behaviours, so it wouldnt stick out to me). Can you quote for me WHEN you tried to stop the wagon that was/is developping before that post you just made?

Oh and for the record, what you did in that other post (you know the one)?
That was bad, seriously. You make me sad

-Dram, Reck has yet to catch up <3-

[Reckamonic]

Yes.

One of us is caught up, the other isn't.

[Reckamonic]

I respectfully ask, though, that if any vigs have any plans on shooting us tonight, you just lynch us instead so that town doesn't lose two people in one night.

YA HERD?

[Reckamonic]

Kise, I am disappoint.

[Reckamonic]

Reck (dram): I can't recall; is English your first or second language?

First (Second)

Again, Garm fails to take a strong stance.
Big surprise there.

[Reckamonic]

your pushing on kise is pretty ridiculous, you basically have no legitimate reasoning (but then you really haven't had legitimate reasoning for anything today) and the guy outed jindori. If you're trying to tell me he did a fake daykill gambit as scum, and his latests posts have been solidly town. you've been hopping votes pretty much arbitrarily all day, trying to find something that'll stick. I want to vote you, but snake is so much worse. But he's almost certainly not werewolf. Decisions, decisions...

We have a mafia to find too yuo know...

Note to self: in the unlikely event that Kise flips scum, Gorilla needs to eat a bullet. Or several.

[Reckamonic]

Besides the fact said vig is playing against his wincon you mean? <_<;

[Reckamonic]

I haven't consulted with dramonic on this, so I might get yelled at because he's not here all day long, but that NS slip on saying he's vig or SK seems worthy of a vote.

Unvote; Vote: NS

[Reckamonic]

BTW, Cam, this hydra is half-Will.

As in, CPW Will.

[Reckamonic]

We occupy a single playerslot, of course we're gonna post on a hydra.
usually we consult before posting.

[Reckamonic]

C-Worl isn't reading the thread completely.
Scumtell.

[Reckamonic]

Kise is on his game, and I would happily sheep him until the end.

I would recommend scum go for shooting Reckamonic. Shit, I would.

Whee contradiction?

[Reckamonic]

C-Worl isn't reading the thread completely.
Scumtell.

What makes you say that?

Because, Cam.
I know you. I even pointed out "It's Will, from CPW" and I know your personality. You would've at least been like, "OMG HI", if not something more excitable, or at least acknowledged my hello.

Instead, you ignored it and only responded to like one thing. Skimming the thread because you don't have to really pay attention = scumtell.

Vote: C-Worl

[Reckamonic]

A whole bunch of Replacements is not helping me after coming back from a V/LA... In a way being lynched at this point almost seems like a relief.

This post is just sad...
You know what, it apparently is a consensus of ignoring the NS wagon. Let's lynch this guy then:
UNVOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: SnakePlissken

Why is it sad? I'd feel the same way.

[Reckamonic]

why are C~Worl and Garm alive again?

Vote: Garm

[Reckamonic]

Pre-edit: I'd forgotten about Reck. Ugh, it'll a pain getting through the day with him. A shame that Kise was probably bluffing about being able to kill. We'd know which was which by now. I think I need to reread some posts to get an idea of who's who. Ugh...William Martin Murphy's still on my mind.

Yes, it will be a pain to get through the day for you with us here.
Because like hell I'm letting you off. For some inane reason people seem to think there's something protown about C~Worl.

[Reckamonic]

Actually ConsPiracy is absolutely right.
We have no intelligent reason to want to kill the SK when we've lost two cops and a doc. He has to play the part of the vig if he wants a chance of winning, otherwise mafia will crush him like a bug.

DId I mention C~Worl is terribly obv?
You guys make me a sad kitty.

[Reckamonic]

and you wonder why i want to lynch you <_<

@C~Worl: I reckon you missed the part where Kise heavily implied he was lying?

[Reckamonic]

@other guy/guys: why do you feel it's important for me to out my role? If Reckamonic is still alive, that should tell you enough.

[Reckamonic]

That doesn't imply that he lied. To me it sounds like he's implying he got Role Blocked.

Just... no.

[Reckamonic]

Given that the Mafiates and the werewolves know each other

erm... whut?

[Reckamonic]

The thing is, they're both scum anyways.
So does the order really matter?

[Reckamonic]

I think he meant the werewolves know the other werewolves, and the mafia knows the other mafia.

ah, that would make sense <_<;

[Reckamonic]

Why do you care, Implosion?

[Reckamonic]

cursed, became ill and decomposed.
Or something in that mindset.
It's very cute.

[Reckamonic]

HOLY SHIT WHAT AN EXCELLENT DEFENSE!

[Reckamonic]

Oh the ridicule.

Trying to cover yourself for when he flips scum?

Yes, covering yourself for a proper lynch is great play <<

Already told you, I'm pro-town. If I survive, I'll also be gunning for Reck, Pine, tclaw or someone I've had a change of heart about tonight.

Did you miss the entirety of the conversation with Kise? If you think I'm scum and are protown(well you're not, but...) you'll (try to) lynch me.

bulletproof vig is a ridiculous overpowered claim.

@SS: He didn't claim the NS kill, he said he shot NS who came up with the wrong flavour. HMMM MYSTERIOUS!


I'm inclined to believe that Rauhd is NOT the SK and is in-fact mafia (or wolf). Think about it: He claimed MAFIA'S kill flavour, he claims to have shot someone who's already dead, and he produced a claim that in all likeliness would only be CCed by a SK (because from the look of the flips there is no vigilante). of COURSE the SK won't counterclaim because he knows Raudh is lying scum and that will result in the SK losing. It's a fail claim.

Any questions?
No?

Proceed with this obvscum lynch.

[Reckamonic]

Did we mention he claimed the mafia kill flavour?

I'd expect what Quadz said: If he is indeed bulletproof killing me is the worst possible thing he can do from the town's perspective, because we lose a strong town PR and he the scum/SK is still there.

This incapacity to understand that if you don't believe a PGO claim you go for the lynch is astounding.

Raud needs a healthy length of rope.

[Reckamonic]

No.
Just... You don't ask for a claim at L-4.

Raud needs rope. You're scum too.

[Reckamonic]

No.
Just... You don't ask for a claim at L-4.

Raud needs rope. You're scum too.

No I'm not, but I'd love to hear the (fake) evidence you have that would state otherwise.

Did you check your play?

[Reckamonic]

and good ways of ending up at L-1.

[Reckamonic]

I still think he's gonna flip scum <<

[Reckamonic]

Honestly I'll be very surprised if Raud flips SK and not scum.
All signs point in scum direction, none in SK.
Seriously.

[Reckamonic]

Direct the vig.

Lynch C-Worl.

[Reckamonic]

Or, we lynch someone else and let the SKvig shoot C-Worl tonight.

[Reckamonic]

Actually, we'd probably be down for a Raud lynch today.
Dram hath convinced me.

[Reckamonic]

Vote: C-Worl

What the fuck is this Charlie bullshit?

[Reckamonic]

singer, Kise, ConSpiracy, implosion, gorilla, T-Bone, charlie, Pine

Those are the people that weren't on my wagon when it got to L1. Scum would have no reason not to hammer town so massive townie points for all of them.

Reck, tclawren, Chronopie, MrZepher, Lowell, Nachomamma8, Powerrox93

Those seven were on the wagon when it got to L1. Your remaining scum are more than likely among those.

Unvote; Vote: TC

Just found the case I had against him D1. I had forgotten how scummy he is.

SCUM WOULD ALSO HAVE NO REASON TO NOT HAMMER THEIR OWN FUCKING BUDDY
THANK YOU FOR PROVING THAT YOU ARE LIKELY SCUM WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE FIRST LIST

[Reckamonic]

Ace card?

[Reckamonic]

^Can't hammer a buddy when I'm a townie. Fail scum is failing.

Are you planning to eventually attempt to defend yourself with something better than "I'm town"?

[Reckamonic]

Someone summarize the tclawren case in less than twenty words. Links to posts are allowed.

[Reckamonic]

Someone summarize the tclawren case in

less than twenty words

. Links to posts are allowed.

[Reckamonic]

WHATEVZ.

UNVOTE; VOTE: TCLAWREN

[Reckamonic]

V/LA, shit has gone down and needs to be worked out.

Noted.

[Reckamonic]

We're back. Ish.

Mastin is wallposting again.

[Reckamonic]

Sorry guys - huge huge huge fucking problems in our personal life. We're still here, and reading, we'll be back soon.

[Reckamonic]

So Gorilla claims not having targetted Nacho at all...
If one of the other two can claim not having targetted either that'd be nice (either that or they BOTH targetted him and that makes Gorilla much more scummy)

Doubt it'd be a dumb scum mislynch ploy, too early for that.
We'll withold our vote for now.

[Reckamonic]

Mastin, if you as much as pretend to claim we're going to have to take a very long phallic object and shove it very far in your anal cavity.
That would be the most fuckin retard play to grace this game (perhaps after jindori claiming scum...)


Oh and ftr

I'd say at least 66% of the game's antitowns are gonna be in
[C-Worl, T-Bone, Claw, Garm, Snake, Krob]

T-Bone and Garm have both been outed as scum
Snake was town.

If this pattern reproduces respect will be required

and it probably will, what with C-Worl and Claw still roaming around.

@Gorilla: not angry at C-Worl, but when he flips scum we'll laugh, oh how we'll laugh.

Give us a good reason not to put scum in hammer range? "Tclawren needs to catch up" is not a good reason.

[Reckamonic]

I didn't say he'd flip wolf.
What's to prevent him from flipping mafia?
itchy vote is itchy.

[Reckamonic]

It's a bit late for random voting my dear charlie.

So much for the mafia rolecop saying implosion's a scum watcher heh?

[Reckamonic]

Actually amuse me Charlie
Why are you voting me. I mean, beside the fact that regardless of faction those are the most idiotic kills I could've ever considered pushing.

[Reckamonic]

You know, the whole claim wasn't necessary.

After Gorilla went "IMMA SUICIDE ON RECKAMONIC AS COP!" it should have become obvious he was bullshitting =_=

Vote: Gorilla

Charlie, get out of your tunnel <3

[Reckamonic]

i need you to give me a god damn chance

says the suicidal cop.

[Reckamonic]

You're claiming to be a town role, with results that would confirm another player as town, yet your reaction is to suicide.
Got it.

[Reckamonic]

I've given a decent explanation.
Investigating a PGO is poor play because it flushes your last 3 investigations down the drain (hint: failure to breadcrumb is not in your favour)

@Conspiracy: I very much doubt a 15-4-4-1 setup. Town visibly doesn't have the PRs to defend itself against that. Also if it's 4-4-1 we're at 5-2-3 and pretty doomed :p.
Also was I supposed to unclaim my role?

What REALLY bothers me is the fact T-Bone spends his last post saying Implosion (and gorilla) is a werewolf... and then the mafia ACTUALLY shot implosion, like they believed it.
That would logically point to werewolf having a redirector and mafia having a rolecop.

If it's not 4-4-1 (god save us all if it is), then whoever RBed gorilla would be town.


So here's what happened during the night, for yall who aren't paying attention.

Last night, Gorilla the werewolf watcher decided to watch someone. Who we'll never know, because the roleblocker (town)being a bit silly, he thought blocking the outed scum PR instead of the outed potential goon was a smart move.
Meanwhile, Mafia (presumably singer) went "Oh crap, I shall kill the werewolf watcher to avoid me being outed the same way my buddy T-Bone outed them!"
What she didn't know is that the outed potential goon wasn't just an outed potential goon, he was a redirector/bus driver.
Poor little mafia (presumably singer)

So gorilla's RB claim is factual, he's just not the role he claims to be.

Option B has the town possessing the busdriver who should then really consider telling us who he switched with implosion last night or the one before so we can wrap up this game.

B would respect simetry more, unless mafia (presumably singer) can use both her power and kill during the night.

However, we still have a rolecop who's unaccounted for in those scenarios.

So both the busdriver and the roleblocker are town (wtfsetup?)

OR

Gorilla didnt get blocked.

whee theories.



I'm starting to think this is 4-4-1 and am crying on the inside.

[Reckamonic]

But we have a flipped JK.

I doubt town would have JK, RB, Cop, Seer, Voyeur and PGO. Seems like a weird-ass mix (also OP)
So the roleblocker would probably have to be mafia.
except mafia has to have a rolecop otherwise why would they shoot implosion instead of letting the town mislynch?
But then there are too many PRs on one team for the amount of living scum, unless it's 4-4-1


So...

Gorilla is scum as the odds of there being a RB are pretty shallow (see above).
OR
Mafia is pretty silly <_<;
OR
This is 4-4-1 and we're pretty much doomed regardless, though lynching a werewolf is not a bad tradeoff (as long as we lynch mafia tomorrow)

[Reckamonic]

TL:DR

The only case where Gorilla is town is if it's 4-4-1, unless the RB is town which is freaking unlikely OR the mafia is stoopid.

[Reckamonic]

TL:DR

The only case where Gorilla is town is if it's 4-4-1, unless the RB is town which is freaking unlikely OR the mafia is stoopid.

actually if mafia is stoopid Gorilla is still scum, so nevermind that section!

[Reckamonic]

wait... redirection is not allowed in normal games?

So mafia IS stoopid 0_o

Anyways...

@DemonHybridIs the scum wincon to have majority or to not be able to be taken down?

Not sure he'll answer, but that would play a part in proper play assuming you flip town.

[Reckamonic]

lynch a scum, the other can't kill me or endgame me assuming his wincon is to have absolute majority.
That gives a draw, which is better than a loss.
All this assuming you flip town of course.

No Conspiracy, I missed tha post of yours and reading back I cant find it.
note to self: If we want ConSpiracy to see us as town, we need to lie about our role!

Also since there's no redirector the mafiakill on Implosion makes 0 sense, through and through.
I am so confused by the mafia's play.
I assume your counter to the roleblocker would be a scumneighbor Con? Doesn't seem balanced at all.

[Reckamonic]

He's not getting town points for that, I asked in post 2301 <_<

scum neighbor rolecop would be... pretty ridiculous <<

Also, the main argument for there being a rolecop is that T-Bone said his team had one who saw Implosion. However with no redirection that is a proven lie, so does it matter? <_<

Also the roleblocker would be mafia, duh. How would it block WW-rilla otherwise?

@Gorilla: He did, except he got greedy and tried to claim three at once <<

[Reckamonic]

No, he just claimed that stuff assuming you guys would be insane enough to listen to the results of flipped scum

and it's working, apparently

It's really not. The reason you're getting lynched is for the most part Mastin CCing you and being way more credible. That's not related to T-Bone's BS.
Also the existence of the rolecop has been disproven.

EDIT: No, considering T-Bone said "GORILLA IS SCUM!", assumption would be you'd ask your buddy to do it <<

[Reckamonic]

roleblocker for one, something for the other.
I already said Gorilla is a scum watcher who did get blocked.

[Reckamonic]

I do too, because otherwise I'm starting to seriously fear 4-4-1.

[Reckamonic]

I have an unusual investigation for night 4 I wouldn't claim as scum.

WIFOM

Do I need to show you who I was crumbing investigating the PGO for most of day 4? Do I need to give you a case on why mastin is scum?

... well, duh?

You are being stubborn and can't really justify what you're doing because it's a bad decision.

You're really not making us feel like not lynching you.

[Reckamonic]

how about making a case?

[Reckamonic]

I have an unusual investigation for night 4 I wouldn't claim as scum.

WIFOM

That's WIFOM? How about mastin's "I would never kill the people who suspect me as scum"? Isn't that WIFOM? Look at the more likely answers here - scum want to be seen as being credible. As scum I would not claim something incredible, not even to make this argument. It damages my chances of being believed greatly. mastin claims he would not kill people suspicious of them because that would draw suspicion to him, but on the contrary, the loudest opposition to him has now been silenced and people are siding with him readily. These are the simplest possible explanations here, and they are the truth.

If you're town, the lone scum will shoot mastin tonight, simply because he can't win otherwise.
If he gets blocked we won't be in kingmaker.
If he doesn't we won't be in kingmaker.

Your argumentation is flawed, as is your Appeal to Fear.

[Reckamonic]

You assume tomorrow will be 4-2-1.
If you're town, that is completely implausible.

[Reckamonic]

I told Gorilla it'd work out fine.
See? Was right!

Vote: Mastin

[Reckamonic]

Singer suddenly appears much townier <_<

[Reckamonic]

Strange fact: The werewolves failed their kill. I seriously expected the MAFIA to fail, not the wolves 0-o

Unvote

Theories?

[Reckamonic]

Wait, it's 5 to lynch anyways

vote: Mastin

[Reckamonic]

If it's 4 mafia 4 wolves we lost, barring crosskill hell during the next 2 nights.

[Reckamonic]

commuter-hider could be an option. Failed to submit the kill with two wolves alive would be pathetic. At the very least Mastin is most likely there.
roleblocker/doc im not so sure about with the JK being there.

Regardless it doesn't really matter, Mastin needs rope and if it's 3-3 tomorrow will be at the very worst 3-1-1 (or 3-1, if scum decides to kill me )

[Reckamonic]

Mastin should really stop saying he cleared Zepher when Zepher was cleared by Godzilla yesterday.
Also, what he's pushing on Con is the same thing he's accusing Con of pushing him on, it's kinda cute.

[Reckamonic]

Also Mastin your math makes no sense, just saying.

[Reckamonic]

You should read your last four posts, they're quite amusing when lined behind each other.
I think we've found ANOTHER werewolf.

Please vote your buddy? <3

[Reckamonic]

Am I allowed to just scream WIFOM to the face of your four points?
Presumably you've cleared both yourself and Zepher from being wolves. Under the precept both yourself and Zepher are the remaining wolves, you'd be in a pretty good position if you manage to convince the town to vote ConSpyracy.

I wish you luck in your endeavor, but you're gonna get lynched.
Also you've been here for years, Meta from your first game is completely invalid.

EDIT: what kind of BRILLIANT DOC protects his no.1 scum suspects when a crosskill would be good for the town?

[Reckamonic]

Reck hasn't posted in quite a while, this is the amonic part of the hydra.

And yes, I think you pushing a cop to death in a setup where a cop existing makes sense is indicative you really don't have the best interest of the town at heart. I've seen similar gambits. Heck, Reck pulled something like that in the recently ended psychic mafia (modded by me) and it made sense there because there was no logical indication of the existence of a tracker.

You trying to make us believe that in a NORMAL game with a WW-cop, you'd think there is no cop is completely subpar play.
I remember little of the old mastin, we havent really played together. What I remember is the walls, and that you werent fuckin terrible back then. I'm assuming you havent degraded too much and are trying to pull an (albeit awful) gambit on the fairly newbish town (no offense meant to anyone here)

[Reckamonic]

Also you're trying to rush the Con wagon when you're saying he's trying to rush your death.

[Reckamonic]

I dont do Meta, in case you missed that point earlier, so I really don't care about you quoting your previous experience.

I didnt say you and Zepher were scum, I said if you are then what you're pushing would be very favourable to a victory, so saying there's no solid scum motives to this is weak.

Singer was an unlikely kill, but Charlie and Power are really not because they were lurking, that's the whole point <_<
You protected your scumread, when his death and/or flip would've prevented a potential future mislynch from your perspective, instead you push that you "gambited". Seriously, you dont even believe yourself do you?

[Reckamonic]

He doesnt do it on purpose, he's just bad at summarizing :p

[Reckamonic]

How the hell can you type so much in such little amounts of time? 0_o

[Reckamonic]

^what he said

[Reckamonic]

We're in some weird form of pseudo-LyLo with claimed scum, Massclaim can wait an extra day.

[Reckamonic]

Singer, you should vote Mastin.
Also the reason the wolves haven't killed you yet is likely that if you're out of the picture the town can focus on a single team.
The mafia haven't killed you yet because you're their no.1 mislynch.

[Reckamonic]

Appeal to Emotion sensor just exploded.

[Reckamonic]

singer... do you actually believe him? =_=

He counterclaimed a cop in a setup where there being a cop was freakin logical, then proceeded to back off that claim and claim a new PR.
What's to say the wolf didnt No kill to augment the legitimity of his claim?

Seriously, this is BS.

[Reckamonic]

Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalling.
Face it Mastin, you're never going to finish before deadline.

[Reckamonic]

No singer.
No.

[Reckamonic]

...yes?

[Reckamonic]

He's not "vanilla" or "doc", he's freakin scum.

[Reckamonic]

if he's not we know the mafia/wolves are conspiracy, chrono and powerrox.
Fortunately for us, the lone mafia has to kill a wolf tonight or he's pretty much done for, assuming a mislynch.
unless he thinks he can win at 2vs2vs1, which would require dodging a lynch, a bullet and an angry townie in LyLo.

however, Mastin wont flip town, so that's useless speculating.

[Reckamonic]

Well I'm not voting mastin.
At least not today.

Decision by Zepher made.

Also, Mastin's wall isn't difficult to read. Read it.

Obviously lynching your buddy isn't very pro-survival Zepher, but you're fucked regardless, so just go along with it why don't you?

[Reckamonic]

happy scumday btw.

[Reckamonic]

Yeaaaahhhh

Vote: Reck

I'm pretty sure only scum would think I'm fucked.
Town won't know either way until mastin flips.

...
Mastin is the reason you are "confirmed town"
Mastin is gonna flip scum
Where's the hard math?

[Reckamonic]

If Mastin flips town you're confirmed town from all source but since the doc is dead you're quite fucked.
Further questions?

[Reckamonic]

I'm not trying to use anything against you, I'm asking you to vote Mastin. He's either your buddy, or decided to take you with him as he goes down.

If I'm wrong you become a WIFOM-storm for the scumteams and attract both kills, with any luck.
If I'm wrong Mastin should also go back to his textbooks about gambits.

[Reckamonic]

... Why am I even trying to reason with you, you won't vote Mastin because that's against your wincon.

Singer, look at them kittens and ask yourself "do these look like they wanna fool me?"
then vote Mastin after you conclude we cannot want bad stuff for this town.

[Reckamonic]

considering Mastin's antagonizing I doubt Singer's scum.

[Reckamonic]

logic says powerrox or Chrono.
Potentially Conspiracy, but i'm skeptical there.

[Reckamonic]

Singer, I won't vote with 95% confirmed scum, even if he's good at smokescreens and stalls.

[Reckamonic]

Don't worry I'm not retarded :p

[Reckamonic]

*faceplant*
well...
*expected faceplant*

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Can someone explain to me how the doc's been spending the better part of the game breadcrumbing a role he isn't to be able to outplay the actual cop and get away with it?

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Can someone explain to me how the doc's been spending the better part of the game breadcrumbing a role he isn't to be able to outplay the actual cop and get away with it?

Singer?

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Sorry DH <_<;
ConSpiracy is an awful lynch today.
mastin has shown freaking crystal clear anti-town behaviour
also wagon on V/LA person etc.

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Why would you risk losing a town PR when we have something to gain from keeping him alive?

The only risk we're taking is showing Mastin he can't play like fuckin crap and expect to get away with it.

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If you really think Mastin and Zepher could only be scum buddies together, would a Zepher-town flip clear Mastin?

no

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Until I see your flip you're a wolf Mastin.
We'll see where we go from your death.
But whatever the case may be, admit this was a great big failgambit.

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is that gloaty, taunty and on the verge of winningesque to you? <_<

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Also you can stop using they.
Reck posted once in the game, it's just Dram under the wrong account.

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If you flip town it's Chrono, Powerrox and Conspiracy.
I dont know how that makes sense.
But it is.

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...what?
"If you flip town it's them. I don't know how that makes sense, but it is."
how does that mean I know what you'll flip? <_<

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Can't you english people understand the use of ellipses? <_<

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it's when you omit part of a sentence because it's content is obvious/repetitive.
Like in the sentence "if mastin flips town, it's them. I don't know how that makes sense, but it is if mastin is town"
You dont repeat "if mastin is town", it's already implied heavily by the previous sentence <_<

You can also remove stuff for style, but that's kinda BS in mafia.

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well, at least we agree on three things.
Slaxx and Zepher are town
Con is scum.

EDIT: "but it is (if you flip town)" <- ellipse

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Why would an ellipse require ... ?
that's for unfinished thoughts!

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Hold the fuck on ConSpiracy.

@Mod: If a faction only has one of their members left, can he both perform a personal power and do the mafia kill?

Because if not, we are WAY more screwed than I'm comfortable with, or I'll be wanting some thinking time outside of night.

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Mastin actually flipped mafia doc, which means that somewhere along the line the wolf kill for N5 is missing.
Unless he can both protect and kill (or the wolf are retarded), we're missing their kill.
Option A) This is actually 4-4-1-15 and our current situation is, there's a 3p wolfteam still chilling around here, which frankly makes no sense, we'd be getting endgamed.
Option B) There's a town roleblocker who got lucky N5 and might really wanna consider telling us who he caught.

There would be option C other doc but nobody CCed and we already have both doc and JK flipped so yeah...

Chrono, Powerrox, Zepher, Singer, Con, any of you have an option B they want to share with the class?

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You guys SERIOUSLY need to stop rushing the day.

I'm your elder and it's my birthday, respect my wish

[Reckamonic]

*mafia elder*

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No massclaim, but I want a "unable to explain the N5 missing kill" from each and everyone of you. If whoever the fuck stopped it turns up dead tonight because you guys decided to rush a no-lynch I'm gonna throw a bitch fit!

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and thank you

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(and obviously if you can explain the missing kill, FUCKING DO IT SO WE CATCH OURSELF A WOLF)

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and your reason for not wanting to potentially out the wolves is...?

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...
...
*blows up*

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No massclaim, but I want a "unable to explain the N5 missing kill" from each and everyone of you.

Zepher and Con, stop ignoring me =_=

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I know it's USUALLY better to no lynch, but it's still our game to win if we lynch scum.
You're scum.
Problem solved.

What's your evidence for this?

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[insert Mastin quote here]

It's waaay too long to quote, but you know where it is, and I think it sums everything up nicely.

so none at all.
Con, Chrono, thoguhts on the missing kill?

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[insert Mastin quote here]

It's waaay too long to quote, but you know where it is, and I think it sums everything up nicely.

so none at all.
Con, Chrono, thoguhts on the missing kill?

When we are in LyLo.

No. LyLo is too late.
Immediately.

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Whoever told you that MyLo means rush a no-lynch is an idiot.
If you're so desperate to rush the day have someone hammer NL

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You can't treat a counterclaim/counterexplanation in LyLo <<

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Night actions.

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I think he posted once on day 1 and that's it.
massclaiming is a bad idea, it might give scum the occasion of neutering some information we could obtain otherwise. However claiming if you can explain the missing kill (for example roleblocking X would imply X or the blocker is scum) can help us for tomorrow.

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cause I'm lazy?
also i assume its simpler to iso if i dont switch.

@Powerrox: what do you mean by that?

[Reckamonic]

Whoever told you that MyLo means rush a no-lynch is an idiot.
If you're so desperate to rush the day have someone hammer NL

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A quick glimpse at Con's ISO indicates he probably cant explain the lack of kill either.
At this point I just hope Mastin was allowed to dual-action.

I'm ready to no-lynch now. Anyone has anything else to say?
Scum within ConsPyracy, Powerrox, Chrono, now's your time to claim

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Well if someone had gone "oh yah, I'M a roleblocker and I blocked xyz night 5!" I'd have smacked them very very hard.
and then we'd get a debate! =D

vote: No Lynch

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I got what I was looking for (or more accurately didn't get what I wish I'd gotten).
We may now no-lynch, unless someone else has anything they want to look into.
Zepher's awful attempt at starting a wagon on a player without irrefutable evidence in MyLo is awful and kinda sad considering he's pretty much confirmed.

Now who within Powerrox, Chrono and Cons is town?
IT'S A MYSTERY!

One we'll have to solve after a massclaim, tomorrow. (in b4 yall claim vanilla)

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Evidence is great, but to lynch in MyLo we'd need proof.
We lack that, therefore we no-lynch.

As a plus, you're the confirmed one here so we won't have to deal with you senselessly voting in LyLo ^^

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Interesting that you vote for no lynch after he unvotes.

not really?

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Cute.
So whats your REAL role, Con?

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dumdeedum, i wanna see moar aaaaaaaaction from conspiracy and powerrox.

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id like Con and powerrox to lay down a vote.

I want to have a hunch what the scumteam is.