Would the real mafia leader, please stand up? Please stand up!
HE IS STANDING!!!! GOTCHA SCUM!!
As for everything else, I'm not sure about someone's page 2 read. Perhaps some people are taking RVS too seriously?
Oh lol is cool.ConSpiracy wrote:T-Bone, I am terribly sorry, but I mistook you for somebody else. That is why I said you were very rude again, because I know the other one (AntB) can be. Both of you have the same avatar. I hope you accept my apologies.
To provide some content: Did snake just got in, made two posts and went a way again?
Wait...fluff post? Pot, meet kettle. He's black.tclawren wrote:gah, I'm getting impatient.
This seems really random to me, but whatever. Why exactly are you getting town vibes from Lucresia?Raud wrote:Town read on Lucresia.
Fluff post. Lowell's and Nero Cain's posts sandwiching it are pretty close to fluff also. IGMEOY.T-Bone wrote:Well...than post. You've done this twice already. Get proded, say you'll catch up...only to get proded again.
@Jindori: Why are you convinced that C-Worl is/was a troll townie?
You're kidding right? Me stating the information from THE FIRST POST = inside information that only scum will have? Up until you came out with your BS, I had no idea who the factions were, how many there were, and what they are called.jindori wrote: well the fact you mentioned the 3-4 diffrent factions points me to the direction that your eastside werewolf. Your post is practice what you preach. If you never believed in cworl bieng lynched why push so hard at it your throwing wifom right now. Also look at the way i played if i was scum wouldn't i stayed on c worl no i am third party.
This is not the same logic. How is this remotely in the same ballpark?Pine wrote:The same logic goes for saying that VTs are a threat to Town because of the lynch power.
jindori wrote:i'm third party not scum
Scum says what? According to the Mod, you can't be a werewolf and third party. Otherwise why would he posted like this? Is your role PM color purple or brown?Mod wrote:Brown:Werewolves
Purple: Third Party
Yeah my "town list" can't have anything to do with the people voting claimed scum. Right? I picked 3 names at random.DemonHybrid wrote:
Werewolves tear people to shreds right? and this NPC was a representative of the town right? And you're telling me Pine, that all this screams NON-THREAT to you?DemonHybrid wrote: Dead:
Tour Guide, NPC Tour Guide,Torn to Shredsand Shot Night 0!
That's not possible.DemonHybrid wrote:Red: Mafia
Brown: Werewolves
Purple: Third Party
Green: Town
Blue: NPC
Silver: Modkilled Neutral Survivor
I used those numbers as an EXAMPLE. I don't know the real numbers. He could be lying and have 9 other mafia buddies.Eldritch Lord wrote: He never claimed there were 4 of them, he said under 4. I don't know why you keep using that number, but I'd like it on the record that you are continuing to do so after jindori clarified his meaning and has stated under four several times. He isscum, regardless of whether his particular faction is strictly anti-town or more of a pseudo-third party. Meaning that any reads youCONFIRMED"could" have on someone defending him like Pine or, even myself if you interpret this as defending him, are already readily available and clear in their entirety. Lynching him doesn't confirm any suspicions or put anything in a new light, because we alreadyknowhis alignment.
I would rather take longer and operate in a fashion that's logically sound than hope to get lucky and wrap the game up in the minimum number of days. Lynching him doesn't gain us anything unless he's a werewolf PR, and given his willingness to sacrifice himself, Ihighlydoubt that is the case. Save him for a situation that'ssignificantlyless certain, at the very least for tomorrow.
The meat of it:We either enter tomorrow with new reads on people on the C-Worl/T-Bone/Whoever bandwagon, and a confirmed scum ready to be lynched OR we enter tomorrow with a dead scum and no new information outside of night action flips. I'd rather not rely on a "good" night for a decent shot at tomorrow.
Jindori said his faction had less than 4. He said he thought the other faction had less than 4. Fine. I choose to use the number 4 to make my point, whether you agree with it or not. When we were discussing Jindori, we were discussing TWO factions. His faction and the other. 4+4 equals 8. During that whole exchange about Jindori we were NOT discussing a third faction in our hypotheticals. Guess what? We were talking about hypothetical scenarios at the time. Never was I talking about fact. I am well aware that there could be 3 factions as I have pointed out before.@ EL. Yes, but at the same time, letting him live gives both anti-town factions an extra day. Say he's right and there are 8 anti-town in total, and we mislynch me for example. Now we need 9 days to get rid of them instead of 8. (excluding night kills). I don't think we'll be at the same place Day 2, with so many people defending him the way they have been. Pine for example. To say that we'll be in a bad place Day 2 is ignorant. A Day 1 lynch of scum is always beneficial.
I never expressed that there wasn't a second werewolf faction. You sir are lying.Pine wrote:@Eldritch Lord: Actually, it's less amazing than I thought it was when I posted it. T-Bone expressed repeatedly before that that he doubted a second werewolf faction even existed.
I don't think this changes anything significant about the case against him, as it's something an ESW (or any anti-Town scum) would have said at the time.
Re-VOTE: T-bone
Preview Edit: @NS-I have been abundantly clear about that. I defended him because I believed his claim.
@T-Bone: The quote was completely in-context. I didn't misrepresent it in the slightest, and you just did the same thing AGAIN. We KNOW there's a Mafia faction. You SHOULD have said 1+1+1=3, but you're well aware that there's only two anti-Town factions, three if you count SK.
The remainder of your post is full of flail. You're continuing to miss the whole non-Town =/= anti-Town point, you pretend I'm ignoring evidence that doesn't exist, and you actually try to misquote me. I absolutely want to lynch scum on D1. And I'm honed in on you and C-Worl.
Christ, Mafia must be having a field day with all the attention they're not getting.
I'm sorry, Jindori said he was a Werewolf and Third party. I was showing how he was wrong in that respect. This quote is in context how? Where did I say there are only two factions?Pine wrote: Clear instances of T-Bone insinuating that a second wolf alignment didn't exist, spoilered because it is barely relevant except to disprove the "liar" deflection:
Fixed quote tags.T-Bone wrote:jindori wrote:i'm third party not scumScum says what? According to the Mod, you can't be a werewolf and third party. Otherwise why would he posted like this? Is your role PM color purple or brown?Mod wrote:Brown:Werewolves
Purple: Third Party
Again where does this imply anything of what you claimed?Pine wrote:Again how is this relevant? Are you just quoting me in hopes that people won't read?T-Bone wrote:Werewolves tear people to shreds right? and this NPC was a representative of the town right? And you're telling me Pine, that all this screams NON-THREAT to you?DemonHybrid wrote: Dead:
Tour Guide, NPC Tour Guide,Torn to Shredsand Shot Night 0!
I mean I can't spell this out any easier. Jindori claimed werewolf. And he claimed third party. According to the Mod...
DemonHybrid wrote:Red: Mafia
Brown: Werewolves
Purple: Third Party
Green: Town
Blue: NPC
Silver: Modkilled Neutral Survivor
Non-relevant parts of wall snipped.Pine wrote: That's not possible.
Now, my apologies to everyone else. I realize I've been arguing with scum, and I've been over generalizing with my accusations, since most players haven't posted since Jindori claimed scum.
@Pine. Why do you continue to ignore Jindori's contradictions? I caught him in a lie. Does that quote from the Mod say that werewolves are third party? Or am I correct is saying that the mod listed werewolves and third party as two separate factions?
Once again you're taking posts out of context. It was all in response to things Jindori was saying.Pine wrote:Clearly expresses belief in only two anti-Town factions.T-Bone wrote:I know I said I wasn't gonna post, but I was figuring you'd say higher numbers like 5 or 6.
For the sake of argument lets say both factions have 4. Sound like a fair guess?
Out of 23 players, the opposing faction consists of 4 players that are scum. You said your faction is town-like. So 19 players are town and 4 are scum. Does that seem reasonable to you? (Yes I know I'm metagaming a little bit) Somewhere on the wiki I read that anti-town should be 25% to 33% of the total player base. 4 out of 23 is only 17%. But, 8 out of 23 is 34%. That's if we consider your faction to be anti-town. Which sounds more reasonable? Or do you have reason to believe there's another faction that you are not after? By your admission your faction is Brown, meaning you'd have to be hunting the Red faction.
Now I'm not going to be quick to deny your claim, because you just said you think the other faction can recruit. Do you know this as fact or are you basing that on your own faction? I would think as werewolves, you could recruit.
@ gorilla. What were your doubts before? Maybe those should be addressed if others feel the same way.
Why is it odd that he is replacing out? He made it very clear that he learned something about the game he shouldn't have. Why does his role matter?SnakePlissken wrote:Wow, not so much to catch up on after my V/LA then....
I would like to thank C-Worl for that summing up which was more than helpful. So for now I'll give you a pass on my lame reasoning. My next candidate was Ray Frost for his defence for our modkilled Jin, but he's replaced out which actually makes me think that he's either Vanilla or anti town as you rarely see a Town PR drop out. In fact Im willing to guess he's anti town.
Vote Reckamonic
Im not convinced by the Pine Wagon starting up right now and C-Worl has redeemed himself for the time being. Kise is starting to get on my scumdar with his impersonation of Fate now. (Is this catching?)
No one but me had a problem with this first post of the game?Chronopie wrote: No email notification of posts in thread :/
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VOTE: Pine
Mostly for his #94, immediate Hop, and bad attempts to justify.
Again first post of the game, using a lame reason to justify hopping on the bandwagon. Did Moonstruck get replaced? If so, I forgot who took his slot, but I'd like that person to answer for it. Have you done better scumhunting since taking over for Moon?Moonstruck wrote: Ehhh...to many posts...not enough time...Busy all morning tomorrow EST.
I agree with T-Bone, the only good evidence against Pine is that he switched wagons quickly. Accidentally missing the posts could have happened to anyone, and he's proven that overdoing his justifications is just his gameplay.
C-Worl on the other hand hasn't done much in his own defense and seems scummier and scummier with each post.
VOTE:C-Worl
I guess this I just find odd, because ChronoPie posted on the 25th (the one I quoted before) and he posted this on the 27th, but made a couple of posts before coming to this revelation. Of course he's getting replaced so we'll have to see what his replacement does.krob wrote: Is it me or is this post an immediate hop with bad attempts to justify? I've been looking at specific players but this jumped out at me. At the moment I am going to VOTE: Chronopie until I'm given a good enough reason not to. Hypocrisy is not cool in my opinion and this looks like a more blatant hop than anything else I've seen in the game and this includes jindori's play.
If you don't believe in the bandwagon, why hop on it? That's pretty lazy. If you think tclaw is scum, you make a case. Here you're just saying "I'm not gonna get this lynch so let me get another one". It sounds like it doesn't matter to you who gets lynched, and it should. Take some responsibility for your vote.lowell wrote: unvote, vote C-worl, since no one wants tclaw today for some reason. Not sure why the c-wagon seems to get close, then die down again.
Doing the same thing as Lowell. Do you not care who gets lynched? Now of course he does do some scumhunting in later posts and that's the type of stuff that I'm looking for town to do.lucresia wrote: Okay now that I have a headache from reading the nonsense that was the first page or two, a VOTE: C-Worl is in order.
Jumping on a bandwagon without a reason?Nachomamma8 wrote: Unvote, Vote: C-Worl
Don't like Ray's tunneling though.
Will catch up tomorrow, not today.
Going out to party right now.
First post, bandwagon. Next 5 posts? Saying things like "we gotta lynch C-worl". What kind of scumhunting did you do? You're another one who just wants a lynch as long as it isn't you right?seraphim wrote: ...what lyncher? I'm inclined jindori is newbtown. lol at C-Worl.
WHERE'S NACHO?!?!?! HI KISE!!!!!
Vote: C-Worl
RayFrost, let's do this.
The guy where I'm moving my vote to. I'm only quoting his bandwagon post, but as have been pointed out many times, he's not playing well. He didn't do anything to scumhunt C-Worl, and than comes up with some BS the next post to justify his vote. Most recently, he hopped on the RayFrost bandwagon, with reasonings that frankly make no sense to me. Snake is voting for RayFrost/Rec because he replaced out? That is quite possibly the worst reasoning I have ever seen to justify a vote.SnakePlissken wrote:I can't stand anyone pulling a Fate, and just for added pressure and this is non RVS Im voting for now this way:
Unvote, Vote C-Worl
What?Eldritch Lord wrote:This is just a lazy town, you got the same thing from Nobody Special and Seraphim for a post, though both of them did make an honest effort at contribution. They just don't want to read and end up throwing votes on wagons while they sort-of catch up. I think this is a null-tell in a game with players like this.T-Bone wrote:(A bunch of stuff about people not having justification for jumping on bandwagons.)
Are you my long lost brother? I love you. I will happily follow you to do that.Thor665 wrote: I'll be reading up over the next couple of days - my usual average is about 7 pages a day before depression and a fugue state set in, so should be roughly 4 days or so for me to catch up depending on how many posts I decide to start skimming over. At that point I'll post up a couple big honkin' walls of brilliance (presuming you agree that brilliance is generally seen via a load of bad insults and weak jokes).I'll then probably just wagon Nero Cain, because that usually makes me smile.Feel free to ask me any questions outstanding for Seraphim (I've never actually had anyone pose me questions for the replaced out slot, but I always ask just to be polite).
Regards,
Thor.
Nice and constructive, thanks for that.Chronopie wrote: