Guessing that'd be me?DemonHybrid wrote:Looking for a replacement for Lowell.
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Guessing that'd be me?DemonHybrid wrote:Looking for a replacement for Lowell.
Whoah. Both of these need some serious scumz on them. I can tell Nacho's scum on Pine, and jindori's scum on C-Worl, but there needs to be more than this! I suppose Moonstruck semi-counts, but still, that's only three and a half scum--I'd expect 1-2 more on here.The Mod wrote:Pine - 8 (bristep123, ConSpiracy,Nobody Special,C-Worl, Nachomamma8, Chronopie,tclawren,Nero Cain) L-5
C-Worl - 8 (RayFrost,Seraphim,, Pine,jindori, SnakePlissken, MaxKojoteLucresia,) L-5[Moonstruck]
Guess who?Chrono wrote:Highly likely that at least one of Krob andTBoneare scum.
I can pretty much (though not completely) invert this list and have it be accurate:RayFrost wrote:List o' townies:
NS
Chronopie
Implosion
t-bone
tclawren
gorilla
jindori
List o' teh scumz:
C-worl
bristep
krob
You just lost it.T-bone wrote:@The Game.
Massive understatement.My Predecessor wrote:That said, his reaction was over-the-top and his general behavior isn't great.
Right. These people are town to the wolf. Guess what that means?Jindori's 'town list' wrote:Pine
Chronopie
gorrilla
shift
conspiracy
Nope. I'm known for quality* (length) rather than quantity**.ConSpiracy wrote:mastin, are you always posting so much?
Nice to see you, too, Nacho. Shame we replaced in as opposite alignments and you're scum.Nacho wrote:MASTIN!
Fits with Gorilla being Jindori's partner.jindori wrote: i feel like i been cheated and backstabbed.
Yes. When I choose to be. Amazing, how good I am once I decide to stop sucking, eh?TBone wrote:It's funny how you can come on and immediately find 4 scum. You're amazing.
Lots of people in this game replaced lurkers. Lots of people in this game HAVE been lurkers.However I won't put much stock into your reads, because you replaced into a predecessor's slot who fairly much acted like scum, and that I'm town.
No. I'm picking who the scum are, simple as that. I can give reasons for all of them.I think what you're doing is picking 4 different people with varying levels of activity and hoping something will stick. Pine? Very active. Me? Little less active. Gorilla? Semi-active. Nacho? Not active at all.
No. I'm sticking to ALL of these. And I'm going to push it through.So I can throw some shit at the wall and see if something sticks, and then quietly fade into the background on Day 4, scoff free.
Gorilla wrote:mastin trying to connect me to jindori + pine is bunk, if you really think a scum player, even a newbscum player is going to put their entire team in a townlist then :/ is all I have to say in response. It's just as possible you'll see no real connections between jindori and his teammates when all is said and done.
A-hem. "We can't use anything Jindori says when it implicates me as scum, but we CAN use anything Jindori says when it implicates someone ELSE as scum!" That's essentially what Gorilla just said to me. HUGE contradiction, and EXTREMELY scummy.Gorilla wrote:jindori listed kr0b as mafia. Not really feeling him as a potential partner.
This wagon needs to die. Quickly.The Mod wrote:tclawren - 6 (implosion, ConSpiracy, Pine, C-Worl, Reckamonic, Chronopie) L-3
By now, the Snake wagon has grown to the point where it needs 2 scum, one from each faction. But no more.The Mod wrote:SnakePlissken - 6 (implosion,,RaudhrGarmKise, T-Bone, gorilla, MrZepher)
Lynch wagon. Since the last time I did my analysis, only thing changed is that now there should be 1-2 more scum on than before. Nacho's one of them.The Mod wrote:SnakePlissken - 12 (,RaudhrGarmKise, T-Bone, gorilla, MrZepher,C-Worl,Lowell, Nero Cain, ConSpiracy,tclawren, Nachomamma8,Eldritch Lord)
This reminds me of active-lurking-scum-singer in a newbie game.Singer wrote:While I understand the logic behind saying this, bad play is bad play. Sometimes it just looks scummy, and now it's our job to figure out which is which (way to go).
Sad. Not that they made this. That it didn't go through. It really shoulda. (If everyone had done this, like rational people should've, then Garm didn't need to be lynched. But noooooo, the scum were AFRAID of it...)Pine: 3 (Kise, RaudhrGarm, C-Worl)
Valid.Kise wrote:SingSing is looking like scum all a sudden, why are you pushing buttons?
As Garm stated, this list contains serious scum. I see three. It's possible there's a fourth.Wants to lynch SK:
C-Worl,quadz, gorilla,lowell,powerrox, T-Bone, Pine,Reckmon, TC, Chronopie
Might be "why are you voting for my buddy?"T-Bone wrote:^^reason?
Nah, we can just leave Charlie to the SKOHWAITNOWECAN'TCAUSEYOULYNCHEDHIM!Hey mafias or werewolves, will you kill Charlie tonight? kthx...
Upon review, remarkably accurate.Tclaw's scumlist wrote:gorilla
T-Bone
Nachomamma8
Chronopie
MrZepher
I'm not defending my meta as being town. I'm pointing out that you're attacking my playstyle, things I do every game which are quite null. And anyone who's played with me will observe that every scumtell you listed against me is just my style. (Unfortunately, it would appear two of the people who could most back me up--Pine and Nacho--are scum, so they probably won't.)T-Bone wrote:#1532. I know you're interested in meta, but defending your own meta is meaningless to the game.
Nope. Just was waiting until I had finished my read (which I have, now) before paying attention to the people clearly trying to distract me.This sounds like someone is giving up.
By Lorthia, you guys suck. All of these wagons are Horribad.The Mod wrote:tclawren - 4 (implosion, ConSpiracy, Reckamonic, Chronopie)
Charlie - 3 (T-Bone, Kise, Powerrox93)
Chronopie - 3 (gorilla, MrZepher, C-Worl)
MrZepher - 2 (Nachomamma8, tclawren)
mastin2 - 2 (Pine, Charlie)
No. I pointed out who would know me best, but specifically said that they probably wouldn't, 'cause they're scum.T-Bone wrote: I'm using Nacho to back me up...hold on a sec, you continue to say "Nacho knows how I play" Pot, meet kettle, he's black.
What.Wait, how can you call me calling you out OMGUS, but then vote me because I am calling you out? Hypocrite. At least don't fall under the same accusations you're spitting out.
I'm calling it as I see it. Simple as that. If I have a scumread, I'll point it out. Got a town-read, I'll point it out. And what I've seen so far has consistently painted you as scum, on the opposite team of Jindori.I really think based on your first post that you are picking random names and then only seeing what you want to see.
And here's where your theory falls apart:T-Bone wrote:So you come out suspicious of me without reading the game?
Not in the mood to explain, after responding to T-Bone. Remind me later.Nacho wrote:What's so terrible about that post?
This is an interesting way to describe it, but upon thinking about it, Nacho's right; it's sadly very true. :/They're more akin to an addiction;
Since there are seven scum in this game (three on each side, serial killer), I'd expect 2-3 scum voting at this time. (24 players. 9 of them voting. That's 37.5% of the players. Since there are 7 scum, that figures that 2.625 of 'em--rounded up or down, that's two or three--are voting.)The Mod wrote:RayFrost - 2 (Kise, C-Worl)
Shift - 1 (gorilla)
gorilla - 1 (Nobody Special)
bristep123 - 1 (SnakePlissken)
MaxKojote - 1 (RayFrost)
Nobody Special - 1 (Lowell))
Chronopie - 1 (MaxKojote)
kr0b - 1 (Nero Cain
3-4 scum voting. Jindori's one of them. This VCA also suggests Gorilla is one. Still leaves one more, and it's looking like ConSpiracy.The Mod wrote:Nobody Special - 3 (Lowell,Kise, ConSpiracy)
C-Worl - 3 (RayFrost,Seraphim,)jindori
RayFrost - 1 (C-Worl)
Shift - 1 (gorilla)
gorilla - 1 (Nobody Special)
bristep123 - 1 (SnakePlissken)
Chronopie - 1 (MaxKojote)
jindori - 1 (Nero Cain)
Pine - 1 (bristep123)
Nobody Special - 4 (Lowell,Kise, ConSpiracy, implosion)
C-Worl - 4 (RayFrost,Seraphim,)jindori, SnakePlissken
RayFrost - 1 (C-Worl)
implosion - 1 (gorilla)
gorilla - 1 (Nobody Special)
Chronopie - 1 (MaxKojote)
Pine - 1 (bristep123)
Nero Cain - 1 (T-Bone)
T-Bone - 1 (tclawren)
Not voting - 9 (Nero Cain,kr0b,Lucresia, Nachomamma8, Chronopie, Shift, MrZepher,, Pine)[Moonstruck]
As large as they are, no more than 4-5 scum are on the two (8) wagons at this point. The reason why is quite simple: you don't want to risk your entire scumteam on the lead two wagons. (ESPECIALLY if one of them contains your buddy.)The Mod wrote:Pine - 8 (bristep123, ConSpiracy,Nobody Special,C-Worl, Nachomamma8, Chronopie,tclawren,Nero Cain) L-5
C-Worl - 8 (RayFrost,Seraphim,, Pine,jindori, SnakePlissken, MaxKojoteLucresia,) L-5[Moonstruck]
Nobody Special - 3 (Lowell,Kise, implosion)
implosion - 1 (gorilla)
Nero Cain - 1 (T-Bone)
Not voting - 3 (kr0b, Shift, MrZepher)
Not much has changed, other than an additional vote on C-Worl and Jindori moving to Pine. I'll need to see the context of that vote to make conclusions from it, but initial thoughts are "BUSSING BIG TIME!". But, still, with 9 votes, Pine has 3 scum on him at this point: two from the opposite faction, one from his own, bussing. (Jindori.)Pine - 9 (bristep123, ConSpiracy,Nobody Special,C-Worl, Nachomamma8, Chronopie,tclawren,Nero Cain,) L-4jindori
C-Worl - 8 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, MaxKojote, Pine,Lucresia,, Shift) L-5[Moonstruck]
Nobody Special - 3 (Lowell,Kise, implosion)
implosion - 1 (gorilla)
Nero Cain - 1 (T-Bone)
Not voting - 2 (kr0b, MrZepher)
No. Chrono and Charlie are both POSSIBLE scum. Chrono moreso than Charlie. But neither are guaranteed scum.T-Bone wrote:I won't get lynched today because guys like Chronopie and Charlie are better lynches
Fact: I skimmed the thread before so much as asking the mod to replace in. And then, posted my reads. And THEN started to analyze the whole read. That's not 'random accusations'. That's "accusations made off of partial information".Fact. You made random accusations before analyzing the thread.
How about nailing four of the five scum? VCA's what I'm using to find the fifth, of course. And if that doesn't work, I compiled all of these convenient notes on all the non-confirmed players.T-Bone wrote:Fact. There is NOT a single town thing you have done thus far in this game.
Jindori takes care of the scum not voting, suggesting that krob (now Charlie) and Zepher are both town.The Mod wrote:C-Worl - 9 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, MaxKojote, Pine,Lucresia,, Shift,[Moonstruck]tclawren) L-4
Pine - 6 (bristep123, ConSpiracy,C-Worl, Nachomamma8, Chronopie,Nero Cain)
Nobody Special - 3 (Lowell,Kise, implosion)
implosion - 1 (gorilla)
Chronopie - 1 (T-Bone)
Not voting - 4 (kr0b, MrZepher,)jindori, Nobody Special
(Of interesting note--The Pine wagon dieing out while the C-worl wagon remains is further evidence of Pine being scum.)The Mod wrote:C-Worl - 10 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, MaxKojote, Pine,Lucresia,, Shift,[Moonstruck]tclawren,) L-3jindori
Pine - 5 (bristep123, ConSpiracy, Nachomamma8, Chronopie,Nero Cain)
Nobody Special - 3 (Lowell,Kise, implosion)
implosion - 1 (gorilla)
Chronopie - 1 (T-Bone)
jindori - 1 (C-Worl)
Not voting - 3 (kr0b, MrZepher,Nobody Special)
(C-Worl - 10 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, MaxKojote,Pine,Lucresia,, Shift,[Moonstruck]tclawren,) L-3jindori
Pine - 5 (bristep123, ConSpiracy, Nachomamma8, Chronopie,Nero Cain)
Nobody Special - 2 (Lowell, implosion)
Chronopie - 2 (T-Bone, kr0b)
implosion - 1 (gorilla)
jindori - 1 (C-Worl)
Not voting - 3 (kr0b, MrZepher,Nobody Special,Kise)
You can see why I stopped analyzing the primary wagon, no? It and Pine are unchanged. The secondary action, however, tells an interesting story: three (1) voters, one of which is scum. (Gorilla.) two wagons of (3) voters, which contains AT LEAST one scum (T-Bone). Probably no more, as the rest of the votecount is unchanged and therefore neither is the scum distribution.The Mod wrote:C-Worl - 10 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, MaxKojote, Pine,Lucresia,, Shift,[Moonstruck]tclawren,) L-3jindori
Pine - 5 (bristep123, ConSpiracy, Nachomamma8, Chronopie,Nero Cain)
Chronopie - 3 (T-Bone, kr0b,C-Worl)
Nobody Special - 1 (Lowell)
implosion - 1 (gorilla)
Lucresia - 1 (implosion)
Not voting - 3 (MrZepher,Nobody Special,Kise)
(Whoah. Solid streak of town!) C-worl looks like he could have either two or three scum on him. Pine's unchanged. What has changed is that now there's an extra (1) wagon, which brings the number up to (4). There's definitely at least one scum in there; I'd wager two. Of course, there's still one scum in the (3) wagons. Heck, if I'm somehow wrong about there being two scum in the (1) wagons, it's possible there's two.The Mod wrote:C-Worl - 9 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, MaxKojote, Lucresia,, Shift,[Moonstruck]tclawren,) L-4jindori
Pine - 5 (bristep123, ConSpiracy, Nachomamma8, Chronopie,Nero Cain)
Chronopie - 3 (T-Bone, kr0b,C-Worl)
tclawren - 1 (Lowell)
implosion - 1 (gorilla)
Lucresia - 1 (implosion)
kr0b - 1 (Pine)
Not voting - 3 (MrZepher,Nobody Special,Kise)
With the growth in the Not Voting wagon, we now have one scum, guaranteed, but no more. (Gorilla.) Pine and C-worl are unchanged, but there's now scum in the two (2) wagons. (T-Bone.) And--of course--scum in the two (1) wagons as well, for diversity. (Pine.)C-Worl - 9 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, Eldritch Lord, Lucresia,, Shift,[Moonstruck]tclawren,) L-4jindori
Pine - 5 (bristep123, ConSpiracy, Nachomamma8, Chronopie,Nero Cain)
Chronopie - 2 (T-Bone, kr0b)
tclawren - 2 (Lowell,C-Worl)
Lucresia - 1 (implosion)
kr0b - 1 (Pine)
Not voting - 4 (MrZepher,Nobody Special,Kise, gorilla)
Considering that Raud's an SK, it's not too large a stretch to say two scum on "Not Voting". Especially when combined with the Pine wagon to make a single (9) wagon, which you'd expect 3-4 scum in. (Nacho, Gorilla, Raud, possibly ConSpiracy.)The Mod wrote:C-Worl - 8 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, Eldritch Lord, Lucresia,tclawren,, Chronopie) L-5jindori
Pine - 4 (bristep123, ConSpiracy, Nachomamma8,Nero Cain)
Chronopie - 2 (T-Bone, kr0b)
tclawren - 2 (Lowell,C-Worl)
SnakePlissken - 1 (Shift)
Lucresia - 1 (implosion)
kr0b - 1 (Pine)
Not voting - 5 (MrZepher,Nobody Special,Kise, gorilla,)RaudhrGarm
This is concerning. I know, Raud is a SK and therefore not tied to any faction. But with "Not Voting" at (2) votes, it now means we have to combine it with the other (2) wagons: which leaves us with a single (6) wagon, in which you'd expect 1-2 scum. T-Bone is one, and Raud's another. Gorilla would make that single (6) wagon made up of half-scum, and that's quite frankly not what I'd expect.The Mod wrote:C-Worl - 9 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, Eldritch Lord, Lucresia,tclawren,, Chronopie, MrZepher) L-4jindori
SnakePlissken - 4 (Shift,Kise,Nobody Special, ConSpiracy)
Pine - 3 (bristep123, Nachomamma8,Nero Cain)
Chronopie - 2 (T-Bone, kr0b)
tclawren - 2 (Lowell,C-Worl)
Lucresia - 1 (implosion)
kr0b - 1 (Pine)
Not voting - 2 (gorilla,)RaudhrGarm
...The eff? Two of three Not Voting being scum, I can see. (It's right there.The Mod wrote:C-Worl - 8 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, Eldritch Lord, Lucresia,tclawren, Chronopie, MrZepher) L-5
SnakePlissken - 5 (Shift,Kise,Nobody Special, ConSpiracy, implosion)
Pine - 3 (bristep123, Nachomamma8,Nero Cain)
Chronopie - 2 (T-Bone, kr0b)
tclawren - 2 (Lowell,C-Worl)
kr0b - 1 (Pine)
Not voting - 3 (gorilla,)RaudhrGarm,jindori
...This makes so much sense, this votecount seems so perfect, compared to the last one messing up my entire reads, that I'm willing to accept the last one was a fluke.The Mod wrote:C-Worl - 8 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, Eldritch Lord, Lucresia,tclawren, Chronopie, MrZepher) L-5
SnakePlissken - 6 (Shift,Kise,Nobody Special, ConSpiracy, implosion, gorilla)
Pine - 2 (bristep123, Nachomamma8)
Chronopie - 2 (T-Bone, kr0b)
tclawren - 2 (Lowell,C-Worl)
kr0b - 1 (Pine)
Not voting - 3 ()RaudhrGarm,jindori, Nero Cain
This is concerning for gorilla-jindori. Jindori's vote is right next to Gorilla's. Again. (Was also this way in the Not Voting.) C-worl wagon remains unchanged, believe it or not: it should have two scum on it.C-Worl - 9 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, Eldritch Lord, Lucresia,tclawren, Chronopie, MrZepher,Lowell) L-4
SnakePlissken - 7 (Shift,Kise,Nobody Special, ConSpiracy, implosion, gorilla,)jindori
Pine - 2 (Powerrox93, Nachomamma8)
Chronopie - 2 (T-Bone, kr0b)
tclawren - 1 (C-Worl)
kr0b - 1 (Pine)
Not voting - 2 ()RaudhrGarm, Nero Cain
Ironic, that Pine votes with C-worl. Anyway, still the same number of scum on C-worl (minus Pine): 2-3. Chrono, Nacho, and Zepher. (Chrono and Nacho on the same team, Zepher NOT on the same team.) This is post-jindori-claim, obviously. T-Bone JUMPS at the chance to do some legitimate scum-hunting and eliminate a member of his rival scumteam. Pine desperately tries to save Jindori, too, to the point where he's willing to work with his apparent mortal enemy, C-worl!The Mod wrote:C-Worl - 11 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, Eldritch Lord, Lucresia, Chronopie, MrZepher,Lowell, Nachomamma8,Powerrox93) L-3
SnakePlissken - 7 (Shift,Kise,Nobody Special, ConSpiracy, implosion, gorilla,)jindori
jindori - 3 (tclawren, T-Bone,)RaudhrGarm
tclawren - 2 (C-Worl, Pine)
Chronopie - 1 (kr0b)
Not voting - 1 (Nero Cain)
I was gonna say this, too, once I got done with the VCA. Looks like you beat me to it, though.Chronopie wrote:UNVOTE: TC
If there are only two neighbours (one flipped town), it seems highly unlikely, as this is a two team game, that the other neighbour is scum. Three neighbours, and it may have been alot more plausible.
This effectively clears kr0b of being scum; Jindori takes care of the scum in the three (1) wagons. Pine's still scum, so desperate to save Jindori that he'd rather go along with his scumread--C-worl--than let Jindori go down without a fight. (Effectively, if Jindori wouldn't fight to live, he would fight for Jindori to live and rely on the wifom of "no scum'd be that stupid!" Sounds like a Pine-scum move to me.)The Mod wrote:C-Worl - 9 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, Lucresia, Chronopie, MrZepher,Lowell, Nachomamma8,Eldritch Lord) L-4
SnakePlissken - 6 (Shift,Kise,Nobody Special, ConSpiracy, implosion, gorilla)
jindori - 4 (tclawren, T-Bone,,RaudhrGarmPowerrox93)
tclawren - 2 (C-Worl, Pine)
Chronopie - 1 (kr0b)
T-Bone - 1 (jindori)
Not voting - 1 (Nero Cain)
I'd expect one scum in the (1) voters, but apparently, there isn't any. There are, however, two (5) wagons: combined, that's a single (10) wagon, which needs 2-3 scum. C-worl has the same 2-3 scum as well. Leaving 1-3 scum left between the (1)s, and the (2).C-Worl - 9 (RayFrost,Seraphim, SnakePlissken, Lucresia, Chronopie, MrZepher,Lowell, Nachomamma8,Eldritch Lord) L-4
SnakePlissken - 5 (Shift,Kise,Nobody Special, ConSpiracy, implosion)
jindori - 5 (tclawren, T-Bone,,RaudhrGarmPowerrox93, gorilla)
T-Bone - 2 (, Pine)jindori
Chronopie - 1 (kr0b)
tclawren - 1 (C-Worl)
Not voting - 1 (Nero Cain)
1-2 scum voting by this point is what I'd expect. (((23-16)/23)*6 = 1.8somethingoranother, which is 1 or two, more likely, two.) One of them being the SK (and the lead wagon being on scum) means that I can MAYBE see an extra scum in there.Pine - 3 (T-Bone,C-Worl,, ConSpiracy)RaudhrGarm)
C-Worl - 2 (Eldritch Lord
T-Bone - 1 (Pine)
tclawren - 1 (Nero Cain)
2-3 scum voting. Same people: T-Bone, Pine, and of course, Garm.Pine - 3 (T-Bone,C-Worl,, ConSpiracy, Pine)RaudhrGarm)
C-Worl - 3 (Eldritch Lord
tclawren - 2 (Nero Cain, Lowell)
RayFrost - 1 (Kise)
Still 2-3, actually. This is slight evidence against Gorilla being scum, though considering one of the scum voting is the SK, I'm willing to accept a slight rule-bend in the VCA (as VCA is never 100% accurate.)C-Worl - 4 (Eldritch Lord, ConSpiracy, Pine,RayFrost)
Pine - 3 (T-Bone,C-Worl,RaudhrGarm)
tclawren - 2 (Nero Cain, Lowell)
RayFrost - 2 (Kise, gorilla)
While the positions might have changed,C-Worl - 4 (Eldritch Lord, ConSpiracy, Pine, Reckamonic)
Pine - 3 (T-Bone, C-Worl, RaudhrGarm)
Reckamonic - 3 (Kise, gorilla, Nero Cain)
tclawren - 1 (Lowell)
Now there's 3-4 (albeit only just: 3.1 is a heck of a lot to round up to four.Reckamonic - 4 (Kise,Nero Cain, SnakePlissken, Lucresia), ConSpiracy, Pine,
C-Worl - 4 (Eldritch LordReckamonic)
Pine - 3 (T-Bone,C-Worl,)RaudhrGarm)
tclawren - 1 (Lowell
Still 3-4 scum. (3.6somethingoranother) A bit concerning how it should be getting closer to 4, yet I only see the same 3. Pine on C-worl, Garm on the (3)s (there should be at least one, but it's possible to have two...), and T-Bone on Pine. With none on the (1)s.C-Worl - 4 (Eldritch Lord, ConSpiracy, Pine,Reckamonic)
Reckamonic - 3 (Nero Cain, SnakePlissken, Lucresia)
SnakePlissken - 3 (implosion,,RaudhrGarmKise)
Pine - 2 (T-Bone,C-Worl)
tclawren - 1 (Lowell)
Kise - 1 (tclawren)
Okay, there really should be four scum voting at this point; the numbers said 3.9. Which is concerning, since I STILL see only the same three. THIS evidence points to there needing to be another, which could only be ConSpiracy. :/ (Or implosion. But implosion looked better earlier.)SnakePlissken - 4 (implosion,,RaudhrGarmKise, T-Bone)
Reckamonic - 3(Nero Cain, SnakePlissken, Lucresia), Pine,
tclawren - 3 (LowellC-Worl),
gorilla - 2 (tclawrenEldritch Lord)
Kise - 1 (Nobody Special)
Nobody Special - 1 (ConSpiracy)
C-Worl - 1 (Reckamonic)
And by now, enough people have logged in and placed votes where staying off of a wagon is a choice, hence, Not Voting is a wagon as of now. 2 scum in there. Nacho's one. Chronopie/Shift look like the other.SnakePlissken - 6 (implosion,,RaudhrGarmKise, T-Bone, gorilla, MrZepher)
Reckamonic - 3 (Nero Cain, SnakePlissken, Lucresia), Pine,
tclawren - 3 (LowellC-Worl)
gorilla - 2 (tclawren,Eldritch Lord)
Nobody Special - 2 (ConSpiracy,Reckamonic)
Kise - 1 (Nobody Special)
Not voting - 6 (Charlie, Nachomamma8, Chronopie, Shift,Seraphim,Powerrox93)
Hate to tell you guys, but Charlie's not completely wrong, here. Just a little mistaken.Charlie wrote:Verbrosity is scummy.
Conciceness is pro town.
Because scummy != scum. C-worl has been scummy, but is pretty much confirmed town. Tclaw was wagoned to L-1 for being scummy, yet is pretty much confirmed town. Kise and Reckamonic have both had wagons on 'em 'cause they've both done scummy things, but they're still pretty much confirmed town.Zepher wrote:If somebody is scummy, and a good portion of people agree with that, then how is it helpful to the town to try to push for a different wagon?
*EditBWOP:Mastin wrote:To those doubting Charlie is scum:
Whoah. Both main wagons have grown by one!The Mod wrote:SnakePlissken - 7 (implosion,,RaudhrGarmKise, T-Bone, gorilla, MrZepher,Eldritch Lord), Pine,
tclawren - 3 (LowellC-Worl)
Reckamonic - 2 (Nero Cain, SnakePlissken)
Nobody Special - 2 (ConSpiracy,Reckamonic))
gorilla - 1 (tclawren
Kise - 1 (Nobody Special)
Not voting - 7 (Charlie, Nachomamma8, Chronopie, Shift,Seraphim,Powerrox93,Lucresia)
Nacho's scum on the 6 wagon, with a possible second. (Shift.) Pine'sscum on the two (2) wagons. 2-3/6. This--of course--means that the remaining three are on Snake at this point: T-Bone, Garm, and Gorilla/Zepher.SnakePlissken - 8 (implosion,,RaudhrGarmKise, T-Bone, gorilla, MrZepher,Eldritch Lord,C-Worl) L-4
Nobody Special - 3 (ConSpiracy,Reckamonic, Chronopie)
tclawren - 2 (Lowell, Pine)
Reckamonic - 2 (Nero Cain, SnakePlissken)
gorilla - 1 (tclawren)
Kise - 1 (Nobody Special)
Not voting - 6 (Charlie, Nachomamma8, Shift,Seraphim,Powerrox93,Lucresia)
Only thing changed is that implosion has moved from Snake to NS. Other than that, this wagon is identical, so therefore, my analysis is the same.SnakePlissken - 7 (RaudhrGarm, Kise, T-Bone, gorilla, MrZepher, Eldritch Lord, C-Worl) L-5
Nobody Special - 4 (ConSpiracy, Reckamonic, Chronopie, implosion)
tclawren - 2 (Lowell, Pine)
Reckamonic - 2 (Nero Cain, SnakePlissken)
gorilla - 1 (tclawren)
Kise - 1 (Nobody Special)
Not voting - 6 (Charlie, Nachomamma8, Shift, Seraphim, Powerrox93, Lucresia)
This is the peak of the NS counter-wagon. By this point, it looks like it has one scum on it, but there's no guarantee--the larger Not Voting wagon looks like it needs two, and if it has two, then that leaves no room to spare. (Since there's one scum in the three (1) voters--Pine--I have only five scum left. The number on Snake hasn't changed--three--which leaves me with two scum left. Nacho's one of them, leaving me with only one scum left to find...)SnakePlissken - 8 (,RaudhrGarmKise, T-Bone, gorilla, MrZepher,C-Worl,Lowell, Nero Cain) L-4
Nobody Special - 5 (ConSpiracy,Reckamonic, Chronopie, implosion,tclawren)
tclawren - 1 (Pine)
Reckamonic - 1 (SnakePlissken))
Kise - 1 (Nobody Special
Not voting - 7 (Charlie, Nachomamma8, Shift,Seraphim,Powerrox93,Lucresia, Eldritch Lord)
Now the NS counterwagon has lost its steam.SnakePlissken - 8 (,RaudhrGarmKise, T-Bone, gorilla, MrZepher,C-Worl,Lowell, Nero Cain) L-4
Nobody Special - 4 (ConSpiracy, Chronopie, implosion,tclawren), Pine)
C-Worl - 2 (Reckamonic
Reckamonic - 1 (SnakePlissken)
Kise - 1 (Nobody Special)
Not voting - 7 (Charlie, Nachomamma8, singersigner,Seraphim,Powerrox93,quadz08, Eldritch Lord)
And suddenly (whoah, four votes between VCs!), we have the lynch. There's now 0-1 scum Not Voting, due to the decreased number. There's still 1-2 scum on the smaller wagons, but the main wagon has 4 scum on it. This suggests ConSpiracy is town. Both Nacho and T-Bone are on the wagon, so not all three scum from that faction are going to be on there. It's POSSIBLE that ConSpiracy COULD be a Wolf, but extremely doubtful. I also find it hard to believe 5/6 scum in the game would risk being on the same wagon. So--while Snake was scum-driven--I've already found the four. (T-Bone, Nacho, Garm, Zepher/Gorilla.)SnakePlissken - 12 (,RaudhrGarmKise, T-Bone, gorilla, MrZepher,C-Worl,Lowell, Nero Cain, ConSpiracy,tclawren, Nachomamma8,Eldritch Lord)
Nobody Special - 2 (Chronopie, implosion)
C-Worl - 2 (Reckamonic, Pine)
Reckamonic - 1 (SnakePlissken)
Kise - 1 (Nobody Special)
Not voting - 5 (Charlie, singersigner,Seraphim,Powerrox93,quadz08)
Just getting warmed up.tclawren wrote:Are you almost done Mastin? You got your point across ages ago.
1-2 scum voting at this point. This is evidence against ConSpiracy being scum. The reason as to why is quite obvious--since Pine's scum, and Garm's scum, there's no more scum who should be voting!The Mod wrote:Kise - 2 (Pine,)RaudhrGarm
RaudhrGarm - 2 (tclawren, Reckamonic)
Pine - 1 (ConSpiracy)
tclawren - 1 (Kise)
Unchanged from before, this is 1-2 scum. Pine's one, so there's room for ConSpiracy to be scum, but he doesn't have to be.RaudhrGarm - 2 (tclawren, Reckamonic),
tclawren - 2 (KiseLowell)
Kise - 1 (Pine)
Pine - 1 (ConSpiracy)
Should be 3-4 at this point. Yet alarmingly, the only people here it COULD be are Pine and ConSpiracy. :/The Mod wrote:tclawren - 3 (Kise,Lowell, Eldritch Lord)
RaudhrGarm - 2 (tclawren, Reckamonic)
ConSpiracy - 2 (quadz08,Powerrox93)
Kise - 1 (Pine)
Pine - 1 (ConSpiracy)
Reckamonic - 1 (C-Worl)
Enough people are present by this stage that Not Voting has become its own wagon: a wagon which is 7/10, which of course means 1-3 scum. Alarmingly, a large number of my scumreads are in here. I know T-Bone's scum, and one of Zepher/Gorilla has to be the final Wolf, though, so we've met the minimum without exceeding the maximum.RaudhrGarm - 5 (tclawren, Reckamonic, C-Worl, ConSpiracy, Nachomamma8)
tclawren - 4 (Kise,Lowell, Eldritch Lord, singersigner)
ConSpiracy - 1 (Powerrox93)
Kise - 1 (Pine)
Pine - 1 ()RaudhrGarm
Not voting - 7 (Charlie, gorilla, T-Bone, Chronopie, implosion, MrZepher,quadz08)
Oh, look, situation's reversed! 0-1 scum in Not Voting, 1-2 scum on Tclaw, and 1-3 scum on Garm, with the remaining scum off! T-Bone and Nacho are both confirmed scum on Garm, taking care of 2. It's possible there's a third, but I'm not positive. The fact that Garm's on Tclaw takes care of 1 scum, there, too. We're up to half. Pine makes it four.RaudhrGarm - 7 (tclawren, Reckamonic, C-Worl, ConSpiracy, Nachomamma8, gorilla, T-Bone) L-3
tclawren - 5 (Kise,Lowell, Eldritch Lord, singersigner,)RaudhrGarm
ConSpiracy - 1 (Powerrox93)
Kise - 1 (Pine)
Powerrox93 - 1 (implosion)
Not voting - 4 (Charlie, Chronopie, MrZepher,quadz08)
This, however, suggests otherwise. On Garm, you'd expect 2-4, now, sure, but if I'm right, that'd mean 4/5 scum risked their lives on a single wagon. This MIGHT be justified by the nature of the wagon--on a known SK which means they MUST be getting townpoints for being on the wagon! Right? (No.)--so I'm not ruling it out. T-Bone, Nacho, and Pine are all confirmed scum on Garm. It's possible to have another, even if not probable.RaudhrGarm - 8 (tclawren, Reckamonic, C-Worl, ConSpiracy, Nachomamma8, gorilla, T-Bone, Pine) L-2
tclawren - 5 (Kise,Lowell, Eldritch Lord, singersigner,)RaudhrGarm
ConSpiracy - 1 (Powerrox93)
Powerrox93 - 1 (implosion)
Not voting - 4 (Charlie, Chronopie, MrZepher,quadz08)
...But the problem will stop when the walls magically vanish!C-worl wrote:He stated that he did not cause the problem but he has also admitted to adding to the problem with no intent to stop.
I read the thread, and realized that you were gone at the time.MrZepher wrote:Mastin are you even reading the thread? Or are you ONLY looking at the vote counts, because you're straight up not putting some things together.
*EditBWOP: I'm saying that (if Zepher's scum) Zepher's buddies WOULD still be around, not that they'd be gone as well.mastin2 wrote:doesn't mean your buddies wouldn't be