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hi sorry i didn't reply i had just woken up and was scanning the thread before i went off to class, didn't feel the need to comment at the timejindori wrote:yo gorrilla i see your on lol how are you.
this is a post by scum that did not read the threadimplosion wrote:VOTE: Nobody Special
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I guess you could call c-worl over-eager (in reference to kr0b) but I don't really like his attitude with the "you'll be sorry when(if?) I flip town!" (#128) and I suppose the way he's playing could come from a town player but it isn'tgoodtown play so if he is town he needs to stop being friggin ridiculous with his posts
pine makes a pretty big emotional appeal in #133 which I don't like but the initial posts he got jumped on seem like dumbtown to me? like he legit just didn't 'get' what rayfrost was doing
think I favor voting C-Worl right now but blah blah blah fast wagons and I feel like there are definitely a lot of people slipping by without having to do anything but by this point that's becoming a tired and cliche sentiment
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hate to show up with no content but I've fallen under a mountain of schoolwork
catching up on the most recent pages
I actually think C-Worl has an interesting assessment of tclawren on the last page, tcl's initial justification for his vote on C-World reads like a bad grade school essay. He initially says Pine is scummy for the same reasons as everyone else then decides it's actually a super town move. However, tcl unvoted Pine when Pine was still leading as the wagon, and not losing steam at all, contrary to what C-Worl points out. kind of seems like C-Worl is just looking for targets/trying to incriminate others instead of looking at things objectively
maybe they're both scum on opposing factions
Chronopie's latest post strikes me as scummy because he seems like he wants to get the day over with, I know it's day 1 and a big game and blah blah blah but that's no excuse to be lazy and want to rush things. Without content, there's never going to be anything to work with. I'm feeling a bit challenged-
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"scum vibes"? come on is that the best you have to offer
SnakePlissken saying he plays the same every game is laughable, and he basically admits he's not trying in his last post, when there's been so much going on and he basically has no comment on any of it. this far into day 1, not taking a stance on basically anything is scummy
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like this vote more than c-worl who is at least trying even if he's basically lashing out at random
hi I'm right here if you have things to say you can direct them at meRaudhrGarm wrote:Null read ongorilla, though his vote here seems a bit random. (Reading posts in ISO so if it was made during the RVS, sorry).
it was basically an RVS vote but essentially I thought implosion suggesting the concept of 'dueling wagons' there was stupid when the votes on C-Worl were all fairly serious and most of the NS votes weren't. he's made two wallposts since that I'm not sure about, he just comments on whatever then parks a drive-by vote at the end with little explanation. to me he is slightly scummy-
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Because he made a dumb response to try to justify a bad vote and he's basically not keeping up, not offering opinions, not helping the townC-Worl wrote:So I log on and see that I'm still alive, which always makes me feel better. And we've got competing wagons. I have 9 votes and Snake has 7 (I think) I haven't gone back and read yet but apparently Snake is scum bc of a response to me? Aight well fuck it. I've yet to see anything to suggest that anyone is scummier than tclawren so even if it might save me, I'm not gonna switch my vote until I'm given more evidence.
it's not like i can write a massive wallpost about why he's scummy because there's not much to analyze, but what there is to analyze is pretty damn scummy if you actually think about it at all-
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I just didn't think his posting had been scummy prior to this, you had a lot of people saying he was town, not gonna pull quotes, but I basically agreed with that assessment
the more he says now, though, the more of a sense i get that he's lying
there is no cult mechanic, this game wouldn't have passed review if that were the case-
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honestly was a bit unsure what to think when he claimed werewolf, not gonna lie
but no that was pretty much the tipping point, obviously
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Oh god I had a post typed up and you all just buried me with these posts and made me irrelevant
I think a lot of these speculative arguments about the setup are silly, also recall jindori was the one who first jumped on T-Bone for supposedly slipping and revealing the presence of multiple anti-town factions
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Kise makes a really good point there, and in light of...well, everything that's just happened, I think it makes sense to look at things from a fresh perspective. I'm noticing that jindori hopped on C-Worl rather quickly when C-Worl started criticizing RayFrost. I think he was newbie enough that the simple explanation is likely here.
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As a courtesy. I'm not wagoning a player while they're still catching up on the thread, especially when I first voted to see how rayfrost would respond. The way the votes are piling up seems opportunistic (I hate that term, but really, piling votes on a player who's not here to defend, what else can you call it?)
Also, people giving C-Worl town points for making a summary post are either stupid or scum. Making a post like that offers no real risk to the person making it (scum want to avoid risks) and doesn't actually help with finding mafia? If you find the information useful, fine, but saying it's an "omg sooper town" move is just flat-out wrong.-
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nah bro i'm townEldritch Lord wrote:Call it meta, but your lack of willingness to commit to a wagon, combined with your inability to pick up on things we've previously agreed are universal scumtells coming from C-Worl's defense makes me think something is off about you this game.
Also not in character for you is that you've posted very little content yourself. You know in poker a lot of players make the mistake of looking for their own tells, I hope that isn't what you're doing by criticizing C-Worl's summary post as a 'lack of contribution'.
For now,FoS: gorilla
i already said i thought it was possible that C-Worl is just Bad At Mafia (early VT claim) and i'd rather have gotten a scummy lurker who just hops on wagons with bad reasoning
i know you will probably say that is low hanging fruit but if i wanted an easy lynch i'd be one of the anonymous wagoners on C-Worl
remind me of the scumtells i'm missing here
i got off to a slow start this game so i haven't been posting up a storm but i'm tryin' to keep up and put some thought into my votes, you know?
my criticism of his summary post is information over analysis, not that his overall posting lacks content. you're pretty blatantly misconstruing what I was saying there. also, didn't you just say i was ignoring the scummy stuff he did?
i'd rather not lynch reckamonic or pine today especially since everyone on those wagons except for kise is damn scummy. re-checking the thread and i feel like i'm beating my head against a wall. snake is posting bad but probably is not wolfscum. i'd still be fine with him dying but i want to look at other players first.
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oh i see i got upset by the use of what i consider a dirty tactic in a mafia game that was used to out a scum so that makes me his scumbuddy for believing something is against the spirit of the game, hrm yes
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congrats on being inept or scum, i guess, tclawren. leaning scum since if you actually read those posts in context instead of in ISO T-bone was the only attacking jindori in between those posts, and he already had his vote on him, so you're just BSing. there was predominant party line, i catch up with the thread, am confused, re-read and see scum coming up with an outlandish fakeclaim, and i vote him. you're trying to paint my disagreement with kise's choice of tactics as lolscumfrustration, when anyone with a semblance of ethics would bitch. But fact of the matter is, your iso #14-#17 looks like the exact same damn thing: whoa guyz wuts goin on i dunno wtf to make of this, then suddenly, oh he's scum let's lynch him. hypocritical.
in short, oh my god you suck
your pushing on kise is pretty ridiculous, you basically have no legitimate reasoning (but then you really haven't had legitimate reasoning for anything today) and the guy outed jindori. If you're trying to tell me he did a fake daykill gambit as scum, and his latests posts have been solidly town. you've been hopping votes pretty much arbitrarily all day, trying to find something that'll stick. I want to vote you, but snake is so much worse. But he's almost certainly not werewolf. Decisions, decisions...-
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You've never played a forum game with me, and it's basically been ages since we've played anything together. Schoolwork and the slow pace of MS have kept me from posting as much. The case on me is BS, it's selectively picking out my posting when there were people who reacted in similar ways including both you and tclawren. also, you're basically changing your reasons here since i told you your original points were crap. save yourself some time and ISO someone flying below the radar.Eldritch Lord wrote:
It's the combination of the two posts, to be honest. But it's really meta more than anything, you've barely posted at all, when you usually have so much to say in a game of mafia. I'd like to see you post more, your playstyle this game is very atypical of what I'm used to seeing out of you. You have a tendency to post jokingly whenever you're scum, often addressing me directly. I'll read and post an analysis in ISO on you later tonight or tomorrow.gorilla wrote:oh i see i got upset by the use of what i consider a dirty tactic in a mafia game that was used to out a scum so that makes me his scumbuddy for believing something is against the spirit of the game, hrm yes
eldritch lord agreed with me about the nature of that tactic, making his vote fairly hypocritical
you want words out of me? I got time now but the more I read the thread, the more confused I get. It's the first big game on a forum I've played as town, and it's fairly daunting.
c-worl had a horrible reaction to rayfrost's tunnel, yes, and I believe I'd said I would have voted him at one point early in the thread, but he started posting content and it was decent, not great, and i got the sense of frustrated town out of a premature VT claim. i think getting pissed off at a seemingly irrational tunnel should be taken as null, it's the tendency of a lot of people to get mad when they think they're being accused for ridiculous reasons, whether they're town or scum. overall he is not my favorite poster but i do not think he is the scummiest out there
ray/recka seemed fairly townish, thought kise had an interesting case but their response seems town and the random scumbags have barnacled that case really hard so i don't think they're scum
Snake is posting horribly and doesn't seem town, but jindori was so willing to vote him which makes me hesitate
powerrox has a scummy history, replaced a lurky slot only to lurk more and hit the obvious wagons.
tclaw has been contradictory and idiotic but to an extent i can get why someone might read what he did off of me complaining about kise's tactics. still leaning scum on him.
after a lot of thinking I want to get rid of snake because nothing he says is useful, connections be damned. I think as it stands right now it's too hard for me to draw connections off jindori and i see a lot of bad cases coming up because of it.
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pre-edit: I know, Reckamonic. I think I got too caught up in trying to read off flipped scum and not enough on who's actually scummy
if kise is scum you can go ahead and lynch me because I am clearly completely incompetent if that is the case-
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He wants snake to talk, not claim. He never used the word "claim", and thinking that makes no sense when Snake is at L-5. Snake's been varyingly useless/scummy, and he's saying by voting him he's hoping to put pressure on him to post content or else get lynched.
Anyway, to comment on the people voting me, tcl is scummy imo and i'm not sure about EL, but they at least are trying to provide reasons even if i (obviously) disagree with them and think their reasons are bad. Honestly, I'd suspect EL more if he weren't questioning me because of meta etc.-
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Oh god I'm sorry for not posting, I forgot the last time I'd posted and the thread had stagnated but I've been reading. Still fine with lynching snake, pine has scummy interactions with jindori so I'd be willing to switch to him, everyone is getting replaced so much that the thread is going to keep stalling out, which is going to completely screw town if that happens.-
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Lynch everyone who is not town aligned
that should be the most discussion the SK gets today
imp that post of mine was objectively pretty weak, if you agree with my reads, cool, but otherwise it just looks like you are trying to buddy me
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reads & opinions can change, yes, but you still haven't offered any reasons for why your read changed and saying you've wanted him lynched since "the jin affair" completely ignores that you wrote him off as town at one point. to me it really looks like you're squirming right now. you need to justify your reads changing or i'm going to assume you're BSing and get you lynched-
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They're both scummy, unless there is a good reason tclawren needs to die sooner, I'm fine with voting Raud because his defense is particularly weak. telling us to get off before the other scum hammer him is just attempting to inspire fear + appeal to emotions, he's not attempting to be helpful and point anyone out-
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what the hell is this post. what the hell is it.Charlie wrote:A moment of silence for the dead...
I voted without a reason just to see reactions. Interesting that Charlie did not question me about this. He promised content when he finished reading the thread after replacing nearly 3 weeks ago. It took him 10days to read up to page 11. No further updates since then. Have you caught up with reading the thread yet? (if not, why the hell did you bother replacing into this game?) I'd expect you'd have time while the thread was closed. I want to see your reads, you replaced a scummy player and haven't done anything which means I can't really suffer you to live if you continue this way. I want to see something from you.
You did it. You did the thing.Pine wrote:I need to do a re-read. EL's flip especially will probably prove enlightening.-
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I just accidentally closed a post I'd spent some time writing and mulling over and I'm upset by this
mastin trying to connect me to jindori + pine is bunk, if you really think a scum player, even a newbscum player is going to put their entire team in a townlist then :/ is all I have to say in response. It's just as possible you'll see no real connections between jindori and his teammates when all is said and done.
also, think you write off bristep too quickly off of too little.
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Don't want to lynch any of the following people: mrzepher, implosion, reckamonic, kise, conspiracy.
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still think powerrox is scummy but my vote isn't doing any good there. charlie needs to die at some point, I didn't like the speed with which he got wagoned but he clearly is not playing the game at all. That said, Chronopie voting tclawren "for information" today while doing nothing else is bad, he in general seems to be avoiding giving any reasoning. Looking at the D1 snake lynch wagon I guess that means C-worl, T-Bone, lowell (now mastin) and nacho are players I ought to be looking at. Lowell barely posted enough to get a read on, will have to see how the T-bone/mastin exchange plays out. Nacho has also not posted much, don't know about him. C-worl is annoying but probably town.
Meh.
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MrZepher wrote:I want to see how the Mastin thing plays out as well.
T-Bone isn't exactly on my town list but he's not a priority.
Wasn't there some suspicion on kr0b day one? I'm just checking to see what's going on in the thread right now so I don't have time to check. Is there any established meta on kr0b?
I also never had any sort of scum read on Gorilla. Maybe Day 1, but Day 1 was just madness so......
Nacho is irritating me with his lack of justifying his vote on me. He was a null read before but if he doesn't say anything soon that could change...
Tclawren hasn't said anything either, and he's at L-3....
I think there are people seeing Mastin's walls as an opportunity to lurk, WHICH I DON'T THINK IT IS.
I'm semi-guilty of this, but I'm trying to contribute wherever I feel that I can. There's not much discussion really...
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Pine, I'm not lynching the claimed neighbor today. I did notice that EL obviously distrusted him day 2, but I'd rather let him live for now.
Zepher, neighbors can potentially be scum, it's the aspect of the role that makes them different from masons.
jindori listed kr0b as mafia. Not really feeling him as a potential partner.
Let's turn the heat back up on Chronopie. I am thinking right now I would rather move the pressure there than on charlie, because as annoyed as I am with how he's (not) playing, re-reading kr0b i actually don't see him as particularly scummy where Chronopie is showing a strong lack of scumhunting, especially on recent days. In particular in his last post he votes TC "for information" but doesn't really say what information he expects from the flip, or even give any reason to suspect him as scum. He has literally never mentioned tclawren before that post. Actually, hell with it, I want Chronopie lynched today for that. That's some straight-up opportunism.
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C-Worl wrote:mastin2 wrote: and point out a contradiction I just spotted in Gorilla's posts. (See if you can find it, first.)
Unvoting Powerrox bc no one else is but then voting Chronopie when no one else is?
I unvoted him because I didn't think I had a strong case. I do think I have a good point against Chronopie, and realized other players, including mrzepher, who I have a town read on, have expressed suspicion of him but it hasn't stuck around, so I figured I ought to try to start a wagon there. Yes, I changed my mind. I don't care how it makes me look. I think Chronopie is scum, I'm going to vote him.-
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A-hem. "We can't use anything Jindori says when it implicates me as scum, but we CAN use anything Jindori says when it implicates someone ELSE as scum!" That's essentially what Gorilla just said to me. HUGE contradiction, and EXTREMELY scummy.Gorilla wrote:jindori listed kr0b as mafia. Not really feeling him as a potential partner.
Nah actually I was implicating kr0b as not scummy on the basis of that. Theory being that newbie scum does not try to get their partners lynched. Same time, they aren't necessarily going to be listing their teammates as town because they want to avoid having connections between them and their scumbuddies. Not the same thing.-
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Kise wrote:gorilla wrote:I decided I don't like the charlie wagon and am trying to wagon chronopie instead
How long have you suspected Chrono publicly?
Not very long. Kind of wasn't feeling him as scum day 1 and I have honestly been terribly lax in my play for a while, though I am trying to fix that. I re-read posters for a few hours, he stuck out to me with recent comments and I figured, hey this guy had some suspicion on him day 1, where did it go? Not going to lie and say I've been calling for his death since forever ago, but I feel like I actually have pretty decent reason to suspect him.-
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honestly, Pine, I've responded to mastin's arguments somewhat I just don't feel the need to sidetrack discussion because one player thinks I'm scum, I would rather focus on lynching scum (Chronopie). Your response here is strange to say the least, I have to say "mastin is pushing on us because he is scum and we are dangerous to him" is a really scummy-sounding response, but I want to know what you mean about "the only person I know to be confirmed Town" here.
I really just don't know about mastin/T-Bone. I don't. Right now my reads aren't particularly strong. I'm not going to just immediately OMGUS mastin, though, because for now I have to assume he has town motivation in his attacks and he's just mistaken about me. Time will tell if that's the case or not.-
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I was going to ask mastin to explain why he thinks T-Bone is scum, but I guess that's coming eventually. His loss if he can't get his argument out there before deadline. Right now I do not understand it.
Chronopie's defense is not great. Doesn't really address any of the points anyone has made against him, trying to inspire fear over mislynching, and apparently everyone voting him is scum. I want answers - what's the reason behind your scum reads, why did you vote tclawren when he was a popular wagon despite having never addressed him in the thread prior to this, etc.-
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Really? We're backing down off that?
Chronopie wrote:23: It bothers me how nonchalant he seems with this post. "Ideally he's scum, but a town flip is cool too."
*Again, I work via connections. TC's been fairly active, and we can get almost as much from connections made between scum/who the scum attack, as from genuine townie suspicions, whom may have picked up things that others miss, as no one has quite the same perspectives.
That still doesn't justify why you voted him after never addressing him prior, nor did you really state why you thought lynching him was a good idea. It was a sheepy, bandwagon vote with poor justification. Also, you list zepher as a possible scum on your wagon but then say his case seems sincere. So do you or do you not think he's scum?-
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Kise wrote:Gorilla keeps starting wagons then backing off when he gets followers, so he's trying to avoid being the first voter of someone not on his team. Bet that.
cite where i did this other than with charlie, where i didn't like the speed of it and explained myself when i backed down. I'm still sitting on chronopie and am a little puzzled as to where that wagon went. His defense wasn't good, it was just large and that was enough to throw people off the trail. still think he's scum trying to say just enough to fly under the radar without really ever sticking his neck out
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if you really are town, Pine, it probably won't, because it just gives scum an incentive to hop on, and the one thing chronopie is right about is that every mislynch is costly at this stage in a multiscum game. if you're town, then quit trying to be a martyr. if you're scum i'm going to make sure you burn. answer me this: how much experience do you have playing mafia?-
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guess what? he was wrong about pine. it happens. pine was shady for a lot of the game and that's why he pushed on him. I thought pretty strongly he was town yesterday by his reaction but he got lynched because we had scumbags pushing it through (nacho, t-bone, powerrox, ?chronopie?). mastin stayed off the lynch because he wanted to get t-vone lynched, he didn't just push it through and promise to get to t-bone the next day.
you are a derp. T-Bone's reaction to mastin and subsequent push to lynch pine is pure scum.-
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mastin2 wrote:^Still have you (EditBWOP: This was meant for Gorilla, but applies to Zepher as well ) as quite the wolf suspect, but hey, you're scumhunting the other faction at the very LEAST.
Powerrox isn't scum, though Chrono might be. I'll need to review the wagons for a moment to make sure.
Powerrox93 wrote:The latest posts here's a mess, but I think I'm gonna VOTE: Pine now
explain how a town player makes this post. go.-
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