NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

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I actually laught reading C-Worl's case on RayFrost

Well, see,

I'm

still in RVS. I've found it can be quite fun if you allow it to be.

You've moved on, and I respect that.

But I'm still over here. Be patient.

- Who said last newbie I played he didn't like RVS?
- Who Random voted in that newbie?
- Who appeared scum?

VOTE: Nobody Special

PE: You guys are annoying, I can't even properly put a post in this thread without being ninja'd thrice...

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Okay, I'm actually caught up now. Coffee and time have done wonders for my hangover-addled brain. My first post was...embarrassing.

Moving on.

I'm going to hop on the C-Worl train.
1) Scumtastic. The C-Worl case has been made repeatedly, and I have little to add to what's been said so far
2) Hopefully, if Town, increased pressure will make C-Worl wake up and smell the coffee and defend himself adequately
3) Or slap some sense into him and get him to scumhunt. Either way.
4) In such a large game, a policy lynch would do the Town more good than bad.

You are trying to hard to back your vote up, scum.

UNVOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Pine

RayFrost, you have done your job quite well, we found the scumjoiner in the wagon. Come over to this wagon now.

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No email notification of posts in thread :/

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VOTE: Pine

Mostly for his #94, immediate Hop, and bad attempts to justify.

Scumbuddy alert!
This game is too easy.

Sorry I got lost between all the idiot comments by most of the people here.

I suggest you don't read your own posts...

@jindori

, have you played mafia before on another site?

Rayfrost, let's focus on one at the time. Come join us.

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Jin, even then, the point on T-Bone knowing more than he should is bogus. Let's assume there are 3 kills (more doesn't really make a difference, less throws the point out altogether)

Mafia Kill
Werewolf Kill
??? Kill

??? kill could be either an SK or a vig. Both are common in large games.

T-Bone=Vig

Well, we're obviously not lynching him.

T-Bone=SK

In absolute claim or die mode, he could possibly claim vig (Though that's normally a bad idea for an SK) and guess what? We'd believe him

Chances are he's not even either of the two. I am honestly expecting three or four kills tonight, and at least 1 third party role. T-Bone saying that is a null tell in my book.

I love this post. It doesn't explain at all why T-bone said 3 or 4.
jindori, you were right with your slip. Care to explain T-bone?

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Sooo, I have not much to say other than T-Bone being incredibly annoying. That reminds me of the other game we played in together.
I would like to vote for Chronopie, since the Pine wagon doesn't turn up as I hoped it would, but seeing as T-bone already voted for him...
I will wait for some extra activity around Pine first.

And I just read that we need 13 to lynch. Holy sh*t! That is enough people to start a mini!

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ok noob question what happens when we drop below 13.

The amount of people needed for a lynch is, one more than half rounded down
So in the case of 24 right now:
24/2+1=13 people
If we have 13 people:
13/2+1=7.5=7 (rounded down)

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@ ConSpircy. You said you would like to vote Chronopie but won't cause I did. Why? You yourself pointed out it is 13 to lynch in that same post. Is your vote really going to do that much damage? I find it odd that you are hesitant to place the second vote on a wagon. Don't you have the ability and plenty of time to change your vote if need be?

I love the question, especially when you just answered it yourself.
And I love you saying that I am hesistant to place a second vote on a wagon. Especially after you accused us in a rude way of not reading the mod's posts properly.

Can we have some less spammers and some more lurkers in here please? This game is just a wishy-washy of players rambling around.

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Hmmz... I am searching for another wagon, since the Pine one is slowly shrinking.
tclawren, are you going to put something townish in your next post?
C-Worl, will you stop insulting every one in your next post and make a case on someone?

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Remind me to answer the C-Worl lurk case on me please. I absolutely have no mood to answer it now.

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Meta, can be a very powerful tool. Voting someone off it during late RVS is highly acceptable. Complaining about how annoying we are is alright since I'll admit I can be an ass most of the time.

Most of the time *cough*

This was an overreaction to a post from Pine that didn't actually look bad. Pine made valid points to try and wake me up but that didn't stop Conspiracy from essentially starting the Pine wagon. It's also a fun note that NS quickly followed Conspiracy by voting Pine with little info of his own.

Yes, pines reasoning was bad. You are trying to make me scummy by saying things that are stupid.

Was Pie's vote suspicious? Very. Does it make him Pine's buddy? No. Especially since your reason for voting Pine was full of holes. Also, fun to note that this is the second time he called for Frost to join his Pine wagon.

Yes it was suspicious and yes it seemed like a wonderful bus vote. Especially since my reason to vote Pine has been better than your vote for any one.

This is laughable considering how full of holes the T-Bone case was.

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This is laughable because you didn't even understand what the post was about.

1.

How is T-Bone annoying?

2.

What does the other game have to do with this one?

3.

Why do you want to vote Chrono instead of Pine considering Pine still had more votes than Chrono?

4.

Why does T-Bone voting Chrono change your mind?

5.

What does that last line have anything to do with this game?

1. Calling us out for quicklynching and not readiing the thread.
2. He was rude to us in that game too.
3. Because I didn't really like the players that were hopping on the Pine train
4. I don't like following T-Bone, that may give him a good feeling.
5. That we need 13 to lynch, didn't you get that?

You've posted 6 times by the time you post this. Lurkers never help. At least spam gives us something to work on. You're basically giving town bad advice.

Because only you and jindori are posting, it is very hard to get any reads on anybody else. Spammers are even worse than lurkers.

Conspiracy will you stop lurking, prod dodging, and make a case on someone?

Will you stop spamming, making other people harder to read and make a good case on someone?

Anyway, that's Conspiracy, all 7 posts of him and people actually get onto me for lack of content?

Anyway, that's C-worl, 1.000.000 post of him like this and he still doesn't understand why there is a wagon on hiim?

I think I am taking back the thing about T-bone. I can be an ass, too, apparently.

And finally a wagon that I like very much:
UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: SnakePlissken
I laugh at self-metaiing.

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T-Bone, I am terribly sorry, but I mistook you for somebody else. That is why I said you were very rude again, because I know the other one (AntB) can be. Both of you have the same avatar. I hope you accept my apologies.

To provide some content: Did snake just got in, made two posts and went a way again?

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Kise, that was very, very mean to do.

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Red: Mafia
Brown: Werewolves
Purple: Third Party
Green: Town
Blue: NPC
Silver: Modkilled Neutral Survivor

Westside werewolf wut?

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I am in no mood to make a wall at the moment, but I can briefly tell my thoughts of the last few pages:
- I really didn't like Elrich lord trying to "save" a, as he was saying it, confirmed scum lynch.
- Flavour is

not

allowed in Normals. So there is no possibility of an "East side mafia" or only "West side Werewolves".
- I really didn't like Pine attacking other players on something he did himself at first. I want to re-energize the Pine wagon, it is stronger than the SnakePlissken wagon atm.
VOTE: Pine

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ConSpiracy: flavor is allowed in Large Normals so long as it is Mafia related. Also, read Jindori's flip.

I quote from the rules:

In Open, Mini Normal, and Large Normal games, flavor is allowed provided these rules are followed:
- All flavor should be public; flavor is not allowed in Role PMs.

Role names should be standard

, or non-flavored if original.
- Flavor should have no bearing on the game -

it should be possible for a player to read only the role reveals posted with the death scene and gain all information needed to play.

This information should be formatted to stand out from the flavor.
- Flavor not based on Mafia must be entirely original. Games based on books, moves, video games, sports, real people, or any other source material are classified as Theme Games.

So no, I still believe we have 3 scum-teams.

1. I'd like to point out that (at least) RayFrost, myself, T-Bone, Nobody Special, AND Pine all share or have, at one point in this game, shared this logic or at least appreciated it as a sound approach going into Day 2. Also, the gambit would have been successful because I successfully identified jindori as a werewolf non-PR. My reasoning is logically sound, please provide a counterpoint if you believe that its not, consider this a formal request.

As far as I know, you were the first one telling us to save a jindori lynch for a mislynch. Provide a counterpoint if not, consider this too as a formal request.

FOS: Kise I'm disappointed in this one.

This is just too sad...
UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: C-Worl

YES, CLEARLY, THE WEREWOLF SAID IT, IT MUST BE TRUE... look. We cannot believe anything he said. For all we know, west/east side werewolves (there could be the same thing with the mafia) are like seeking masons except scum (there was a similar mechanic in mafia on holy orders, multiple aligned scum factions that didn't know each other at the beginning of the game). He could just be covering.

Keep in mind this is a normal and those roles aren't normal.

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checking in. still loving the tclaw vote, though he seems to have figured out that if you just lurk like hell you can't get lynched in this game.

C-Worl, learn from this.

I still don't get how C-Worl got town points that easy for his summary, though a couple of players have stated that already. I am comfortable with my vote on C-Worl.

That sentence from Jindori about Rayfrost is nill. Do you guys think somebody can be that stupid to say something like that? Sure he is newbie, but that was just the dumbest thing ever.

You have yet to provide the counterpoint I asked for, ConSpiracy. Consider this a formal reminder.

I meant that you were the first one to say we should save him for a lynch further on. That is stupid, a confirmed werewolf should be lynched immediately. Saving him to be lynched won't do any good since he would never be night-killed.
None of the others said saving him for a later lynch as far as I know.

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I quoted a post which said just that! And its not stupid, I have posted reasons why it isn't stupid. Your counterpoint doesn't make sense, the idea isn't for him to be nightkilled, its for us to lynch another scummy player and save him for the next day or a situation where we don't have a mislynch. Killing him today wouldn't get us any information we didn't already have after his scumclaim, and it wouldn't stop the nightkill from his faction. But since you insist (despite twice now, having been answered successfully) on continuing to say that I was the only one to have suggested "saving" him:

I will not continue to argue with you about whether or not I was the only

or even first

one to suggest "saving" jindori's lynch for another day. I clearly was not, and this is the third, I believe, time that I've proven it. If you would like to contend my logic, please do so appropriately by directly answering

my

points rather than attacking ghosts and shadows that you've conjured up about "saving jindori so that he can be nightkilled."

I would recommend reading post #623.

/Drunkpost

The thing was about you being the first saving C-Worl for a possible

lynch

, not a night kill.
And I am not going to read post #623 right now, since I don't know properly how to find it.

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So, I got busy. Sorry.

PGO in a normal game loloololksure.... AND I WILL THRASH YOU SO WE'LL SEE WHOS GOTA GUN

MAFIA PEOPLE
DONT ROLEBLOCK ME
IM GOING IN TONIGHT

UNVOTE; VOTE": SNAKE

You're either town-aligned Vig or 3rd party SK. Guess what? I don't feel comfortable leaving

either

alive.

Vote: Kise

Pine, just stop trying to justify that "years" of live mafia experience is applicable here (or anywhere online).

Reck (dram): I can't recall; is English your first or second language?

Geez, so many juicy scum to choose from. Snake, Kise, Reck. What to do, what to do.

I'm happy with Kise for today.

LOLOLOLOLOL! Scumslip!

He thinks Kise is either vig or SK:
- Kise says he is going to target Reck
- Reck dies if Kise is vig. Reck has a chance of dying if Kise is SK
- He want to lynch Kise although the odds are high Kise would kill another scumsuspect of him (Reck)

No ulterior motivations on lynching Kise? I highly doubt there aren't

UNVOTE: C-Worl
VOTE: Nobody Special

This will be the lynch for today. Reck will be killed by Kise vig, according to him being vig. Snake is very lucky to live through today.

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- Reck dies if Kise is vig. Reck has a chance of dying if Kise is SK

I'm not feeling well today, so I may be missing the obvious.

But why is one a certainty and one is only a probability?

Town doesn't lie (they shouldn't)
3rd party lies sometimes, but may want to fit in town.

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ConSpiracy intrigues me...Mostly null read, but at the same time...

There's something about him. Am keeping an eye on him to see how his further posts are styled.

I am getting an eye on me
I must be pretty.

How come nobody sees the NS scum-slip apart from a player who is desperately trying to avoid his lynch? Hmmz... Get's me to think.

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Guys, I like the Snake-wagon, but I prefer lynching confirmed scum over 99% scum, the odds you know. Come to us, I have cookies!

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God, there really should be done something about replacements on this site... This is getting out of hand.

I think T-bone is right, this game is just bickering between a few "blocks" with nothing really happening.

Normally, a town-aligned vig is not a big deal; but I don't trust Kise (after that gambit with jindori) or his reads, so I'd prefer him dead.

Why are you adding reasons for your scumslip if you haven't said those before? This is getting scummier and scummier.
I still don't get why just 4 players can see this... Is there a 20 man mafia/wherewolf team or something?

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Why does the NS wagon still not get any momentum?

Pine, you are starting to play cocky in your last posts. Please stop posting as if you are "conf town" scum. It is annoying and we don't need a scum sign to find you scummy.

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No, but the main wagon ever since the modkill has been Snake and the game has slowed down because he's not here to defend himself OR incriminate himself. Right now it's like a black hole in that spot.

*reads this after seeing the avatar. Can't stop laughing*

Sorry, singersinger, you really ought to read the full thread.

Why?

You don't have to. NS is scum so vote for him, that is enough for today.

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A whole bunch of Replacements is not helping me after coming back from a V/LA... In a way being lynched at this point almost seems like a relief.

This post is just sad...
You know what, it apparently is a consensus of ignoring the NS wagon. Let's lynch this guy then:
UNVOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: SnakePlissken

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A whole bunch of Replacements is not helping me after coming back from a V/LA... In a way being lynched at this point almost seems like a relief.

This post is just sad...
You know what, it apparently is a consensus of ignoring the NS wagon. Let's lynch this guy then:
UNVOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: SnakePlissken

Why is it sad? I'd feel the same way.

Because he hadn't made any attempt to do anything in this game and then he blames the replacements for not wanting to catch up. That way he never should have signed up for this game in the first place.

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Whoa, 3 town PRs?

Nero: Mafia
Nobody: Sk/Vig?
Thor: werewolves

Kise, you have holla lot to explain.

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I actually don't want to lynch Kise.
Why? Because I highly suspect her to be the SK.
(I can't see a vig strangle somebody with NS's pants down)
We lost 3 PR's which is a heavy blow for town. We might have to use the SK in our advantage with this dead PR night.
Scum knows that the SK is only going to hinder them severely and has to choose: Either they trust the SK to kill town (which would be stupid for the SK to do) or they don't take the risk and kill the SK.

I rather want to lynch Pine here. Aside from the scummy things he did day 1, he just starts a very easy non-mafia/werewolfish person-wagon.
VOTE: Pine

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.... what? You don't want to lynch the person who you think is an SK? You realize that an SK is anti-town, yes? Therefore leaving an SK alive is BAD? I don't think town should trust an SK to do a vig's job, ever, and that's the only reason I can think of that you wouldn't want to lynch someone you think is an SK. If we pick someone who's a mafioso or a werewolf, then fine, leave the SK. But if he's the biggest read you have? You vote the shit out of him. Period.
VOTE: ConSpiracy

We can pretty much assume that there are two scum factions (mafia and werewolves). There is either an SK or a vig, or both (and one got blocked / there was doublekill).
It is

possible

that Nero Cain targeted Reckamonic, especially taking into account that RF was being tossed around pretty heavily as a Jindori scumpartner. I'm inclined to doubt it, but the possibility remains open.

Mod: If two kill actions were targeted at the same player, would the flavor show both actions?

I think I am too smart in this game for others to understand.
Let's see what a usual SK goal is: "You win when you are the only one alive or nothing can prevent that from happening."
Let's see who has the edge, mafia/werewolves or town? Right mafia/werewolves cuz we just lost 3 town PR's.
If the mafia has the edge over townies, who is the SK trying to get down to win himself? Righto, mafia/werewolves.
You have a nice saying for that: "Your enemy's enemy is your friend."

BTW, quadz and powerrox just earned a lot of scumpoints for this. They try to form an easy wagon without any substance.

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Actually ConsPiracy is absolutely right.
We have no intelligent reason to want to kill the SK when we've lost two cops and a doc. He has to play the part of the vig if he wants a chance of winning, otherwise mafia will crush him like a bug.

Finally someone with more than one brain cell...

Now vote for Pine.

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Meh, fine...
Let's lynch Pine tomorrow then, he has been alive long enough.
UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: Raudhrgarm

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BTW, quadz and powerrox just earned a lot of scumpoints for this. They try to form an easy wagon without any substance.

Explain how what I did was scummy? I felt that saying Kise is the SK and then leaving him alive was an anti-town idea. Calling it "without substance" is also a misrep.

Soo, I wanted to answer this, when implosion ninja'd me with this. (I appreciate you helping me, but I have my own voice/posts you know)
Let's bring it up:

After this, you proceed to vote CS. Why, exactly, does CS saying this make him more likely to be scum than town? Sure, wanting to leave a serial killer alive is nonsensical because they have their own agenda. But why would scum be more likely to say something like this than town?

My earlier thought process (the one I was utilizing when that post was made) made me think it would be bad for town to leave an SK alive. Therefore, saying that we should leave the SK alive was a scummy thing to say.

I can barely see that as a reason to vote for someone. (Trying to get out of WIFOM as much as possible, but it has to be said anyway)
How the hell is leaving a SK alive scummy? Give me a not far stretched reason why I would keep a SK alive.

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/drunkpost

I am getting mad at the people saying my post didn't make sense. We really should keep the SK alive since he doesn't want to mafia/werewolves to overpower the town either. -> he will act as a vig.
At least now, because town just lost 3 PR's.

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Game is boring... Nothing happens.
Raudh, just make another slip so we have three more players join your wagon to lynch you.

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Huh...

The amount of times that you've voted for Pine Con. Do you know something the town doesn't? Trying to cover yourself for when he flips scum? I'd say that you've done the same as me more or less, and yet I have nay seen any attack on your part. Actually, I agree with you on a lot of things, so I'm inclined to believe that you're town. Or a lone wolf. Not scum though.

@ 3 townies who do not vote Raudh

Is rolefishing enough?

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Any questions?
No?

Oh, yes. Do you mind being his bait?
He says he is a bulletproof vig
You said you are a PGO

Both are questionable. Let's see which one of them is the truth...

That said, I still want a Pine lynch coming up, rather that than lynching the SK.
UNVOTE: Raudh
VOTE: Pine

Oh yes, and I was wondering why Charlie posted when I read back in the votecount that he actually is playing in this game...
Love your content. [/sarcasm]

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CS: If Raud as either bulletproof vig or bulletproof SK visits Reck-PGO, it means that Reck dies and Raud stays alive. This is bad.

Really?
PGO;s do kill everybody that attacks them, right?
That is how I remember the role...

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I would say PGO comes first, but well, we have a mod, so:

@Mod:

If a bulletproof vig targets a PGO, does the vig die?

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Ok, my bad.
Raudh don't kill PGO then.

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Did we mention he claimed the mafia kill flavour?

hole shit I missed alot. Ima check back..like 2 hours. Road should be lynched for fucking up like this, unless reckmon lying about this quote.

But ehm, he claimed the kill on NS, as well.

Raudh, why did you claim a shooting flavour?

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C-Worl, why are you voting for a SK target when you are on his wagon to lynch him?
Seems scum to blend in...

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That settles it, we are going to lynch Raudh.
Too bad that town is going too easy with scum to lynch someone that helps the town... Oh well.

11. I'll vote count every page, but if I slack, let me know.

You slack.

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Soo...
VOTE: Charlie
I suggest you do something.

Pine, don't act scummy or I will get back to you again, today.

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Lol tclaw, you can just claim scum as well, you know.

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One at a time. I am not a double-voter you know.

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Wohoo! It is bandwagon day!
Let's start a wagon for a better reason.

UNVOTE: Charlie
VOTE: tclawren
Never make such a chainsaw vote any more, wether you're scum like now or not.
Scummy as hell.
And of course the other things that have been brought up about you.

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oh yes, and:

Mod: I am V/La from monday 2 may till thursday 5 may.

Noted as well.

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I admit that I'm a lurker, but the fact is I'm lazy in this game. I pro-mice that I'll get some things done Today!

Oh look at that. I think we need to reconsider lynching him as he has yet to get anything done like he 'promised'.

Vote: Charles

Oh look at that. I think we need to reconsider that he wants to put up an easy lynch again.
Note how easy both the C-worl and Charlie wagons got fast votes, while the tclawr has a lot of fuss between those.

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mastin, are you always posting so much?

CS, why are you trying to prevent Charlie from being lynched? Does ORDER of lynch really matter? They're all scummy and won't be crosskilled like I said.

Now can we lynch Tclawren? I'd rather lynch obvscum than possible lurkertown.

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It's one thing to build a case. It's another to build a case with holes and such. He came into the game with some dirty laundry and he should have addressed it rather than pretend it isn't there.

No need to get cocky. (That avatar still gives me a bad feeling about you )
Mastin, explanation?

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Great work mastin, you killed the thread.

UNVOTE: TC

If there are only two neighbours (one flipped town), it seems highly unlikely, as this is a two team game, that the other neighbour is scum. Three neighbours, and it may have been alot more plausible.

Stupid that I didn't think of this. Lol

So, tclaw isn't scum.
I am going back to my prime suspect then
UNVOTE: tclaw
VOTE: Pine

I don't care about finding the reasons. Mastin will just flood over it.

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So mastin is gone now, we can finally revive the game again.

T-bone, you read every thing mastin did? I just ignored it.

powerrox, until now you have completely slipped under the radar and I can't recall you doing much other than sheepin others. What is your stance on Charlie/Chrono/Pine?

Chrono, why did you sheep mastin that easily?

tclaw, where did you and Eldrithc lord talk about in your thread? i.e. who did Eldrithc find scummy?

Also something occured to me:
Town has: Seer/Voyeur/Jailkeeper/neighbours. That is helluvalotmuch.
Reck claims to be a PGO
Kise claimed to have a PR.
Isn't that a bit much power roles?

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Mastin, please help this town by vanishing in your V/La.

Pine is in the neutral area

So who is in your scum area? And why? (Apart from Charlie off course)

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@Conspiracy: Still fishing me?

Yep, cuz I still don't like your interaction with Reckamonic

@Conspiracy, Pine finds CP scummy but isn't voting, he's obviously protecting his buddy. Sometimes you gotta put a few holes in the body before you can slice off the head. You should totally vote Chronopie.

Bull shit. Chronopie is an easy wagon.

Chrono, why are you suddenly active when you are suspected?

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CS, you've been my advocate the majority of the time. There have been MANY points in the game where you did not want to lynch me and stuck up for me when I drew heat. But you've always been curious about what power I posses...? And you say you don't like my interaction with Reckamonic...? So where have you previously mentioned your dislike over this?

Well, it is odd that you said you would clear Reck if he was PGO or not. Both of you are still alive, but you haven't put any suspicion towards Reck. Is it odd that I do not take every thing for granted?
I have put no suspicion towards you, but I can hardly imagine I am the only one who thinks something is wrong there, either with you or with Reck.
And I haven't mentioned it before, cuz I didn't really think about it any more. After tclaw claimed neighbour, I thought about it again and day 2 I was busy with trying to stop the lynch on the SK.

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NO.

Fuck all of you.

PUT YOUR GODDAMN VOTES ON CP RIGHT NOW.

I will change my signature to "I take it up the ass from Chronopie" if he magically ends up being town.

This is sad.
Now stop voting for Chrono as we have far more scummier Pine out here.

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Unvote; Vote: Pine

Fuck all of you. I'm sheeping ConSpiracy for the rest of the day. Everyone in our mafia QT said it was a great idea.

Sheeping me or lynching Chrono?

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ConSpiracy is scum. Only town are bored at this point, yet he still has a vested interest in what I am. Let's lynch him please? You guys got your Raud lynch the other day. Now my turn to pick a scum.

I haven't had my turn either, you know.
oh and great you claimed... Very useful.

Now, T-Bone and Pine, on the other hand...

Case or no case, I feel that Pine, Gorilla, singer and Bone are scum.

I was thinking, "please" but that works.

That is 4 people that want to vote or sheep on Pine.
I can tell you a secret, that is enough to make it as big as the main wagon!

So let all of us four combine together to vote this scumbastard instead of all voting for some random guy (especially if that guy is town, Kise)

Charlie, if you read this (probably not, since you are a lurker). Prove you read this with voting Pine.
Nachomamma, see above.

Implosion you are voting a near conf. town. Come to Pine,baby.
Powerrox, if you want to prove me you aren't scum, come to my lovely wagon.
Chronopie, you have to save you ass. The only way you can do that is with voting Pine.

[ConSpiracy]

Cod damn it, I wanna get a go. I've been here since the beginning...... now, IF I vote Pine, this won't count as my turn since it's your request, CS.

Fine with me.

[ConSpiracy]

It's also not wrong of me to decide Chrono's explanation was adequate enough to make me drop my vote, FORGIVE ME SIRE for I must decide who it must go one next.

Just for my understanding, this is sarcasm right?
Still bad, cuz you have to vote for Pine now.

[ConSpiracy]

Part of me wants to vote Pine...but I'm gonna have to stick to my guns on this one. He's only 3rd on my list of scum right now. I think he's done enough pro-town things to outwiegh the anti-town things he's done atm. I don't think Chronopie has done a single pro-town thing, and he should still be lynched.

T-bone, why are you doing the classic scumtactic"

"I think my scumbuddy is scummy, but I stick with my other scumread"

This isn't very smart you know.

Side note:
Also, I just forgot to tell every body, but C-Worl said he was scum. It could be sarcastic, but in my experience scum said this 100% of the time. If C-Worl is still alive in endgame, please consider this as a major scum tell. Right now it just nullifies my town read on him.

[ConSpiracy]

Part of me wants to vote Pine...but I'm gonna have to stick to my guns on this one. He's only 3rd on my list of scum right now. I think he's done enough pro-town things to outwiegh the anti-town things he's done atm. I don't think Chronopie has done a single pro-town thing, and he should still be lynched.

T-bone, why are you doing the classic scumtactic"

"I think my scumbuddy is scummy, but I stick with my other scumread"

This isn't very smart you know.

Yeah and had I voted Pine I'd be called scum for bandwagoning. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. I don't use scum tactics, I use town tactics. Sticking to your guns is a town tactic in my eyes.

It's bandwagoning if Pine flips town, but he won't.
Lrnyourfactsplz.

[ConSpiracy]

/drunkpost

if you really are town, Pine, it probably won't, because it just gives scum an incentive to hop on, and the one thing chronopie is right about is that every mislynch is costly at this stage in a multiscum game. if you're town, then quit trying to be a martyr. if you're scum i'm going to make sure you burn. answer me this: how much experience do you have playing mafia?

Scumbuddy post!
Just in case I get night-killed.

Chrono, you are stupid. You have to vote Pine to show that your wagon is inferior. It is to save yourself from being lynched.
Mastin will be online soon enough and will vote for Pine as well.

singer, instead of softclaiming a possibility of joining the Pine wagon, just vote him. That is less scummy.

Charlie, wtf is that vote going to?
At least be helpful to bandwagon someone...

My self-vote is not emo. I genuinely believe that my Town flip will provide the necessary information to untangle the Gordian knot that this thread has become.

Lolz

Sorry guys - huge huge huge fucking problems in our personal life. We're still here, and reading, we'll be back soon.

Both of you?

BTW: MrZepher townpoints.

[ConSpiracy]

I'm sorry I called you a jerk. Now why am I scum exactly?

Hmmm... I wasn't thinking about that. Now that I remember (and by remember I mean check his ISO), RayFrost claimed a little before going into the night phase....
Don't town normally claim PGO right off the bat? I've never been/seen a game with a PGO I don't think so I don't know.
This was apparently distracted by Kise's gambit with Jindori, and I guess jin said something about Ray claiming watcher?

Unvote
Vote:Reck

I'm by no means exempting you from being scum Nacho, but I has teh realizations.

MrZepher, I will ask you this only one time: Stick to one alignment please. First acting townish and then making this post is not very good.
We are lynching Pine today. Either Reck or Nacho comes tomorrow (with a small stretch of T-bone).
We can't let the wagon on Pine derail again, because he is basicly confirmed scum.

Oh yes, and guts are always right.

Things that aren't right:
1. Why are there still two people voting for tclawren?
2. Why are the people who do least (and an active bandwagoner) play together, instead of just bandwagoning as lurkers should?
3. Why is powerrex93 still not voting (for Pine)?
4. How the hell does mastin want to last the day longer when Pine is on

L-4

! <- Seems like trying to get fake townpoints...
5. Why does singer not understand that nacho will be lynched either tomorrow or the day after and that his vote is useless?

[ConSpiracy]

4. How the hell does mastin want to last the day longer when Pine is on L-4!

L-2, now.
My vote would've made Pine currently at L-1.

Far too close to a lynch.

Only difference:
When you said that he was at L-4. No reason.
Using the L-2 from now is wrong.
Be quick with your T-bone case. We know your stance about him and I really doubt you will be night killed. Not with the suspicious you got from (I thought) 3 people.

[ConSpiracy]

It may be me, but since when did we know that both scumteams had 3 members?
I had 4 in my mind...

Anyways, mastin, you can trust nacho in his mafia reads enough. We lynch Pine, nacho eats whoever is mafia (presumably gorilla) and mafia shoots nacho.
We can't have a better night, can we?

Don't act cocky, that is an such an easy attitude to fake a scumread on.

Also, didn't you think T-bone was scum with Pine? Why were you voting wolf T-bone then?

[ConSpiracy]

We wouldn't be in MyLo. Your math is wrong.

@ConSpiracy: We've been operating on a 3v3v1vTown assumption because 2 per scumteam is too small and 4 is too large.

I am the only one who fails to see that 4 player scumteams are too large? xD
Oh well, every time I make setup speculation, I am wrong, so...

BTW, self vote again plz. It makes it easier to lynch you.

[ConSpiracy]

I am here and I want mastin to say wether he visited nacho or not.
Hell no he may build up a fake-claim of some sorts with telling us afterwards.

That's all really. I'll maybe read back Nacho's posts to find buddies.

[ConSpiracy]

Why did you claim watcher(later on JOAT) when you have a kill?
Why did you RB kise when he would have taken care of a PGO? (or not fcourse, it was townish)
Why are you only attacking Gorilla when implosion should be conf scum to you as well?
Why do I recall jindori saying there was a watcher in his wolf team?
Why is that claim that powerful with a JK/voyeur/seer/neighbour dead already?

There was some rule for that. If there are some things that are unlikely, the big thing is gets very unlikely as well.

[ConSpiracy]

i think my team mates would be pissed off but i seriously don't care cause i feel like i been cheated and backstabbed. So i will just give you one role westside werewolf watcher. Also i seriorsuly don't know what cworl is. He just likes albi the dragon that spews rainbows ect. I also expect mafia to have a watcher. So if you guys don't lynch me now you could lose some power roles.

Vote: T-Bone

[ConSpiracy]

Because I didn't use the kill yet. What is there a special order for using powers I'm supposed to follow?

Because you could have waited claiming and use you kill shot on gorilla?

I thought Kise was really gonna do it so I RBed him to protect him

I can't help but fail to see any town PR do this to save another not even conf townie this way.

I didn't say I was a watcher.

Dude,you claimed watcher first and it was your only PR-action that actually does something.

Gorilla is scum, implosion is scum

to a lesser degree

. I want gorilla lynched first. What part of that was unclear? Why do I need to attack implosion and mastin too? We can only lynch one player at a time and you just brought the most incorrect lynch of them all back to L-1. Nice job.

to a lesser degree - yeah sure. Both should be conf scum if you are town. To a lesser degree is BS.
I don't know where you got the idea of attacking mastin, but it's wrong.
Oh, and I don't like ad hominem.
And I want every body to read this votecount and read what's wrong with it and confirm their reads of T-bone:

Spoiler: votecount 3.13

VOTE COUNT

Day 3 Vote Count (#13)

Chronopie - 5 (gorilla, MrZepher, tclawren, T-Bone, C-Worl) L-4
tclawren - 3 (implosion, ConSpiracy, Reckamonic)
Charlie - 2 (Kise, Powerrox93)
mastin2 - 1 (Pine)
T-Bone - 1 (mastin2)
MrZepher - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Not voting - 3 (singersigner, Chronopie, Charlie)

As a reminder, keep in mind that ANY AND ALL prods do not go away after various game phases. If you need to be prodded and you have two prods, I will start looking for a replacement.

Reckamonic is V/LA for an unspecified amount of time.
ConSpiracy is V/LA from Monday, May 2nd to Thursday, May 5th.
Powerrox93 is V/LA from Thursday, May 12th to Sunday, May 15th.

If I am missing anything this votecount, let me know.

Deadline is May 17th, 9:00 PM EDT. With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch and 8 to No Lynch.

[ConSpiracy]

And I still say it's unwise to confirm or deny T-Bone's result, since regardless of whether it's accurate or not, role confirmation would not be alignment confirmation.

No way. You are far from townie to even consider saving yourself with this. It is not about T-bone being right, it is about you not being possible of pulling a fake-claim using T-bone's (possible fake) investigation. You shouldn't worry about being killed.
Ya know what?

unvote: T-bone
vote: mastin2

Let's vote for him to claim his result.

[ConSpiracy]

So, are you claiming or what?

[ConSpiracy]

Mastin, let me explain it once again.
It does help town. Why? Because you are in the neutral/scum zone.
Scum mustn't get a possibility to fake-claim.
You just got scummier by trying to come across with a townie and than drawing it back again.

Also. Just noticed, Charlie might just use the "I am voting a random non scummy guy, just to slip by unnoticed" I hate his non contribution. LyLo matters again.

[ConSpiracy]

ConSpiracy, the problem is that you're not thinking of me as being town.

If you're town, try it. Think of me as town. Then, try to put yourself in my shoes. You have that town mindframe. So, think of the reasons why I wouldn't claim whether T-Bone's correct or not as town. And it'll all become clear to you. It'll snap into place, make perfect sense if you're town.

But only if you see me as town and are town yourself.

I can say this because scum trying to do the same exact trick will fail. Since they already have that scum mindframe, first they have to GUESS what a town mindframe is, and THEN put themselves into my shoes, and THEN try to guess my motivation for not claiming, but they won't be able to shake off their scum biases a good 70-90% of the time. In other words, they might draw conclusions from it, but their conclusions will be flawed and incomplete.

Whereas with town, it'll naturally fall into place, almost like an instinct. It did for me. Once I thought about it, I realized and instantly knew about this last night, that it'd work and that any townsperson would be able to figure it all out, whereas the scum would be left confused and wondering WTF I'm rambling about.

It works. It really does. If you're town, and--just for a moment--can see me as being also town, you'll understand. Otherwise, it'll fail. If you think I'm scum, it won't work. If you ARE scum, it won't work.

Have you maybe thought it once from my perspective? IE you may be scum trying to set up a fake-claim? Please, trust me, you won't be night killed anyways. You could only be worried for a scum RB.

Also, I miss many people in this thread I believe.

[ConSpiracy]

Yes

Vote: gorilla

[ConSpiracy]

care to explain the objection? and also the vote?

10:2:1, no way we are going to mass claim.
At worst we will have 7:2:1 next day, which is the day before LyLo.
Vote because of mass-claim suggestion. I believe T-bone to have tracked you to the kill.
And all the other stuff that mentioned you as scum in previous posts.

[ConSpiracy]

care to explain the objection? and also the vote?

10:2:1, no way we are going to mass claim.
At worst we will have 7:2:1 next day, which is the day before LyLo.
Vote because of mass-claim suggestion. I believe T-bone to have tracked you to the kill.
And all the other stuff that mentioned you as scum in previous posts.

Oops, nevermind the 10:2:1 thing, It is 7:2:1 at the moment actually.
I still don't want a mass-claim.

[ConSpiracy]

Eehm, gorilla?

T-Bone was put to death Day 4. He was an

East Side Mafia Tracker

His team is one down.
Why would he suicide with something that stupid (three players), when he could also claim tracker and tracked you/mastin to the kill?
Keep in mind that it is in his best interest to lynch werewolves now, too.
This is why mastin should have claimed yesterday. Werewolves didn't know yet the opposing team had a tracker (at least I assumed that). If he did claim the action to be true, we knew he was scum. But noooo, nobody even cared about him claiming...

And mafia shows us that imp wasn't the one being tracked with killing implosion. He wants to direct our lynch today and I completely agree with lynching scum.

Thinking about it, the C-Worl lynch might suggest that the werewolves think there aren't any PRs left. At least no PR that would hinder them.

PE: No way vig pool is going to work.

[ConSpiracy]

Wait a minute...
Mastin knows very well that when gorilla will flip werewolf that it will be 7:1:1 as well. No way singer is going to vig anyone then (if she is the last maf) since she has as much players as the other team. Mastin should know this, especially after thinking this over all night.
Unless gorilla isn't werewolf. That would mean it will be 6:2:1 at night.
If we direct the the maf kill (and werewolf succesfully direct it to a townie) it will be 4:2:1.
Why would mastinwolf want so badly to have the game at 4:2:1? Most likely that will result in a town win.
I am missing some big piece of evidence here that reveals everything...
Give me some time to think.

PE: gorilla, coming to you next. First thing first. Mastin, is this a counter-claim?

[ConSpiracy]

Reckamonic and Charlie:

Both of you have modded quite some games before, right? How imbalanced are games with 2 scum-teams that do not have the same amount of scum in it?

@ mastin:

Just counterclaim, then I believe you.

[ConSpiracy]

Reckamonic and Charlie:

And while you both are at it, how imbalanced would two 4p. scum teams be?

[ConSpiracy]

Here's how things will go.
We lynch Gorilla. When he flips wolf-scum, Singer will intentionally try not to crosskill. Same with the remaining wolf (Zepher, in all likelihood).
Then, tomorrow, we lynch Singer, to get rid of the mafia.
One wolf kill later, and we've got plenty of mislynches left to find the remaining wolf.

But trust me. Gorilla NEEDS to die, TODAY. He's lying, spewing a bunch of BS.

Hell no I am going to listen to you without a claim. You got away with it once due to lazy town in this game.
You just possibly made the biggest mistake as werewolfscum.
You were right with mafia, but Pine didn't show up wolf.
You wanted to lynch only mafia.
In my eyes, you are about as much wolf as gorilla is. Too bad you can't be buddies.

unvote: gorilla

Things need to clear up first.

And gorilla, why didn't you post any reasons for your night results?

[ConSpiracy]

[/ignore]

[ConSpiracy]

Don't want to lynch any of the following people: mrzepher, implosion, reckamonic, kise, conspiracy.

I posted this day 2. I did the list in reverse alphabetical order but the key part is that I stuck my investigations at the front. my ISO #43. I normally hate breadcrumbing but I was continually nervous at that point that I might lose my investigations.

p-edit: mastin is bullshitting scum who can't come up with reasons to get me lynched after T-Bone failed. His entire strategy now is argumentum ad nauseam with no reasoning. none.

@powerrox, yes, I only get guilty results on mafia

I asked why you chose them, not where you showed your choices.
But it is a good crumb.

[ConSpiracy]

Calling it: The Scumteams are {Jindori, Gorilla, Zepher} and {Nacho, T-Bone, Singer}.

Quoted for clarification.

Powerrox

, you seem town. What reason could mastin have to suggest the vig pool?

Rage seems fake. Reason to investigate implosion is weak.
Mastin is playing entirely different at the moment.

What am I missing?

[ConSpiracy]

Why oh why did the scum such a good job choosing their night targets...
Charlie I see you reading (PE: posting in) New York. I want an answer.

Ooh. Cop claim. Seer flip. Symmetry. Balance. Harmony. Zen.
*sparkly*
Hang on while I do some analysis.

And there you have your answer for symmetry mastin.

[ConSpiracy]

Read his words, and tell me, with a completely straight face, that Gorilla isn't faking it. Tell me, with complete and total honesty, "I buy Gorilla's claim *any number more than 80%*." I dare you to. Heck, you shouldn't be buying the claim more than 50%. I, for one, buy it -100%. As in, there is not a chance, absolutely NO scenario, where Gorilla's an actual cop.

As long as there is no counter-claim, I am buying it.

Every body who posts after this post without a cop claim will be treated as no cop.

[ConSpiracy]

That sets it then. Let's lynch mastin:

Vote: mastin

[ConSpiracy]

unvote: mastin

for clarifation.

[ConSpiracy]

Jeez. Stop it.
So it is
7:1:1 tonight.
Two kills (no cross):
5:1:1
Mastin, if you are competent enough, you should target Reck tonight.
We wait for the night to end until Reckamonic posts, saying something about his claim.

Vote: gorilla

@mod

, just to be sure: Can mafia PRs send in both their night actions and the night kill?

[ConSpiracy]

Mastin, if you are competent enough, you should target Reck tonight.

And get myself killed? When it's likely I'm already the nightkill?

That won't do anything, ConSpiracy. Since I'm dead tonight, anyway, investigating Reckamonic won't confirm or disprove them being the PGO.

If I had a guarantee I'm not the wolf kill for tonight, sure, but the only way I'd get that is if a wolf claimed.

Last day you asked me to understand. Now you have to think and I am the one to be understood.

And both of you stop fighting. This has lasted too long. Gorilla is going to be lynched.

[ConSpiracy]

Don't pretend to bus me, gorilla. Vote yourself, it is easier. You know you are talking shit.

[ConSpiracy]

what the fuck is wrong with you

I ask you to explain things and you give me that

I'm appealing to you to listen to me and discuss things

like good lord are you even trying to play this game

Noo... I love to throw the game away.
If you don't know why you are being lynched, then you are very VERY stupid.

[ConSpiracy]

spell it out for me because you're throwing it away right now and it wouldn't kill you to be polite

I want to read in your own words why you're doing this

not mastin's words

Okay, I will be polite.

You claimed cop.
Mastin counterclaimed cop.
He is far more likely to be cop.

Done. I think this is polite enough.

[ConSpiracy]

@ mod again, please read this:

@mod

, just to be sure: Can mafia PRs send in both their night actions and the night kill?

Gorilla, do I really have to waste my time to explain to you why?
It will waste my time so much...

[ConSpiracy]

So

Reckamonic

didn't

unclaim

his

PGO

.

sidenote: That will be another example why: "same rules in all normals" should apply. (No offence mod, it has nothing to do with you)

gorilla, really? It is really annoying to do something that isn't useful at all. (Actually, Reckamonic nailed it)

[ConSpiracy]

Allowing scum PRs to kill and use their ability at the same time is actually up to the mod and completely affects balance. Perhaps that's something I should revive Hoopla's thread for, but as for this game, I can't say anything.

Again, there may or may not be scum PRs left and if so, they may or may not be able to use their ability with their kill. I can't reveal anything.

Trying to not go to off-topic so I will leave it with this. However, can you please give me the link to Hoopla's thread about this subject?

[ConSpiracy]

Reckamonic, did you read my theory about mafia trying to push us in the direction of a gorilla lynch?
And yes you were supposed to if town.
Gorilla asking to mass-claim certainly does show us there is some kind of roleblocking role in the game.
Redirecting roles are non-normal. They shouldn't be in the game.
Don't forget the two neighbours.
Would a scum neighbour outweigh a rolecop/roleblock? It is unusual.

[ConSpiracy]

And yes you were supposed to if town.

I meant claiming. Sorry, it is late.

[ConSpiracy]

Eehm, gorilla?

T-Bone was put to death Day 4. He was an

East Side Mafia Tracker

His team is one down.
Why would he suicide with something that stupid (three players), when he could also claim tracker and tracked you/mastin to the kill?
Keep in mind that it is in his best interest to lynch werewolves now, too.
This is why mastin should have claimed yesterday. Werewolves didn't know yet the opposing team had a tracker (at least I assumed that). If he did claim the action to be true, we knew he was scum. But noooo, nobody even cared about him claiming...

And mafia shows us that imp wasn't the one being tracked with killing implosion. He wants to direct our lynch today and I completely agree with lynching scum.

Thinking about it, the C-Worl lynch might suggest that the werewolves think there aren't any PRs left. At least no PR that would hinder them.

PE: No way vig pool is going to work.

This post I meant.

And with unclaiming I meant that you are either town PGO or scum. I won't buy an unclaim and another RB claim any more.

they kill the other townie and i'm pretty sure you get endgamed from there,

ask the mod.

Love this Trying to get town points with reasoning with us together, and then he says this.

[ConSpiracy]

And a scum neighbour Role Cop vs. a Roleblocker?
And if so, which one would you put with the tracker and which one with the watcher?

And while we are at it, Charlie, can you comment on this, too, if you are online again?

[ConSpiracy]

But scum has to have something right?

2x goon, tracker
2x goon, watcher
BP SK
Seer, Cop, Voyeur, JK, 2 neighbour, PGO, 11x VT

This seems ridiculously town sided.

[ConSpiracy]

And what would even out a roleblocker, but not being the same PR?

I seriously hope Gorilla isn't the watcher and flips something entirely different...

[ConSpiracy]

Gorilla, instead of being useless. Give us a case of who you think is the last mafia.

[ConSpiracy]

last mafia? Don't know, think singer is a likely pick at this point. powerrox is mastin's scumbuddy, though. like 99%.

I am being useful, I am trying to convince two very stubborn and foolish players that I am town, but they are being rude and not giving me the time of day. If you actually stopped to reason here and think about this, you might realize you are coming to the wrong conclusion but you are voting without thinking. mastin is scum and I'll do whatever it takes to prove it.

*Sigh*
I will give you one post. It has to be well structured and complete to have me read it.

Reckamonic. Which PR could even out the Roleblocker?

[ConSpiracy]

Reckamonic, once again.
Which PR evens up a scum RB?

[ConSpiracy]

Uuhm, Reck, gorilla does have a point.
The remaining maf wouldn't be that stupid to not kill the last scum.
That is a free lynch the next day.

[ConSpiracy]

Soo... Why isn't mastin lynched, yet?

Vote: mastin2

[ConSpiracy]

Zepher, I see you reading this game...
Vote so we can end the day with a werewolf rope.

[ConSpiracy]

I'm not voting Mastin. Town on the Mastin wagon would UNVOTE now.

There's too much to discuss today to end it this quickly.

Such as...

[ConSpiracy]

I at least want to discuss before the day ends. Duh.

What do you want to discuss?

[ConSpiracy]

This is sad...
How come mastin still isn't lynched?

[ConSpiracy]

Honestly, I don't know why Mastin's so hellbent on leaving the mafia alive. He counterclaimed the real cop, which is already bad news. If he's so convinced I'm the last mafia, it almost makes me feel like he's a werewolf trying to keep me alive so that there's at least one other person other than his team getting targeted for a lynch.

As long as you are shooting townies, why should he target you? Mafia is only helpful to the werewolves, as they haven't done anything bad to them at all.

[ConSpiracy]

Zepher seriously thought mastin was town...
Town would not even think about that, especially not after this much incriminating evidence.
I just smell, as reckamonic said, a scumteam of Zepher and mastin pulling the too sync to be buddies card.

Not reading mastin's walls.
What an awful tactic to just say very much so others are bored and not even caring to say something back.

[ConSpiracy]

I just didn't want the day to end 15 posts after it started (or how ever many. You know that I mean)

So you don't vote him? So you did think he was scum? Yet you vote me? Lolflail

I don't think I've ever had a full on read that Mastin was town.
I didn't want to waste the day with a quick lynch on somebody I thought could be town, so I tried to slow down the Mastin wagon.

Even thinking mastin could be town is bad. And again you voted me to slow down the mastin wagon...

My viewpoint on Mastin since then is shifting at an [insert speed that isn't exactly quick but not at all slow] pace...

After we thougt you two are buddies, it is too late.

And actually I read the last spoilers of mastin. I seriously laughed how he defended himself. Let's do a mastin defence:

Spoiler: Random Subject

So you doing this is very scummy

Different type of defenses:
1. That is not something I would do
2. Sorry, I was wrong
3. I had some feeling
4. Something happened + I am the only one with an explanation for it (how weird it may be) = I am right.
5. Let's just make a long text to show I am right

Hmmz. Let's pick number # this time... (And by no means is either one of these WIFOM)

[ConSpiracy]

I still think you're scum Conspiracy. In fact I think you and Mastin could be buddies FAIK.

Luckily you read the thread...

And yes that was sarcasm.

[ConSpiracy]

So, right now you are saying power is wolf and I am maf with reck?
This is getting worse and worse.

Conspiracy, are you aware that you're votes have been placed on town pretty much this whole game?

Oh Noes, now please check out the votes of other people as well.

[ConSpiracy]

[quote"mastin"]If I follow through with my plan, though, I'll be on Reckamonic tonight. That'll be the ultimate confirmation. It'll confirm you as town if the wolves NK you. It'll confirm Reckamonic is scum if I don't die. And, heck, if one of us lives but the other doesn't, it STILL confirms the other since the town will know our reads were legitimate and therefore the pairing suggestion between us was wrong.[/quote]
Another flaw in mastin's plans...
Why didn't he protect Reckamonic last night? He should have known that he would be lynched next day, so...

unvote: mastin2

For myself. Consider the vote still being on mastin2.

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Oooh that's a good one...^^^

Stop stalling this.

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Simple, really. I didn't think of doing it at the time. The thought to target Reckamonic never crossed my mind until today.

What, you think I'm omnipotent or something?

With the mistakes you made, you should be mentally ill by now.

(Sorry if that joke is innapropriate, but I couldn't word it in another way)

Anyways, V/La till saturday. I am neglecting my exams at the moment.

Noted now: 5/28/2011

Please bold them for the future.

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My first prod ever...
Oh well, can two others vote for mastin please?
BTW, mod I was V/La until today, so prod wasn't justified.

(Just kidding, I don't mind)

Also:

I think you're overlooking the fact that if I were "confirmed" mafia right now, I'd be dead. Hands down. Why would the werewolves leave me alive? That's like, the worst idea ever...

Didn't I say this before? You haven't done anything bad to the wolves as mafia and it would be unwise for you to do that (at least in the last few nights). This argument is nothing.

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Like, this is ridiculous...how can "town" think I'm the last mafia and risk not lynching me? That's the worst idea I've ever seen. Whoever thought of that needs to die. Whoever agreed with it needs to die next.

Last two lynches were conf. scum lynches (Come on, did any one think gorilla was cop?)
No need to lynch a most likely scum.
I don't know what you are doing, but your vote still isn't on mastin.

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V/La from next monday till 6 june (also a monday)

I might have a temp. replacement, but most likely not.

Vote: mastin

So day ends in my V/La.

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@mod, the post above. I thought I bolded it, but apparently not

No problem, I caught it.

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Still waiting on Mastin's case.

/lurk

And I am V/La as of this post

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Vote: No lynch

Every body do the same. (And dare to ask me why)

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Dram, vote no lynch.
And happy birthday.
Tomorrow you will have enough time to discuss, since you won't be killed anyways.
(And stop calling me Con. CS is a much better abb)

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MrZepher, start acting town.
It is MyLo, you should have encountered at least one game in MyLo right?

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[insert Mastin quote here]

It's waaay too long to quote, but you know where it is, and I think it sums everything up nicely.

so none at all.
Con, Chrono, thoguhts on the missing kill?

When we are in LyLo.
Every body here is doing a bit dumb.

@MrZepher, keep in mind that only power and reck haven't voted for me. It's pretty much suicide for me anyways. Now try to do something townish for once and vote No Lynch.

@mastin. Tell me in the Death Quicktopic whether you are true about your wolves thing or not. You did a good job in (at least Zepher,singer,Chrono) them believing that I and Reck are the last wolves. You practically gave the wolves the win.

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Dram, you were the one that plays on this site far longer than I did, right?
No discussion on MyLo.

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Explain to me why LyLo is too late and I listen.
Zeph, Chrono and singer all three don't listen to me anyways.
I don't think I can even try to have them get sane and vote No Lynch.

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You can't have a conf. townie in LyLo when claiming in MyLo.
BTW, you can't treat a counterclaim either in MyLo, since lynching non-scum is autolose.

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Shouldn't you just call popcorn claim immediately? It doesn't make any difference.
I am not going to No Lynch then though.
Still Dram right? How much has reck said?

Unvote: No Lynch

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I think he posted once on day 1 and that's it.
massclaiming is a bad idea, it might give scum the occasion of neutering some information we could obtain otherwise. However claiming if you can explain the missing kill (for example roleblocking X would imply X or the blocker is scum) can help us for tomorrow.

Have you talked with him about anything? Why didn't you just switch to only dramonic?

@singer
AtE is nothing. I just want an answer after the game finished. (And not him making it up after the game finished)
And I have a hard time believing mastin set every thing up just to have town win.

PoE gives me nothing, yet. I still have to believe you/Zeph not being wolves. First I am rereading both of you to find that out.

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So...
singer/reck/Chrono/Zepher, any chance one of you wants to go for a No Lynch without discussion?

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No. That's stupid.

A day is wasted without discussion wtf.

...
Ever encountered a MyLo...
...

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signer? Be townish for once please

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I'm almost tempted to think that Con is trying to rush the lynch because he dun goofed the NK.
End the night without sending in your kill there bud?

Con, stop being scum for like A SINGLE post please?

What kind of useless thought would that be?
Zeph, this is getting just sad.
Luckily this post gave me a very townish feeling. This shows that you are really being dumb and not playing it.

(No hard feelings, this is just a game)

Now I am waiting for singer. No word from me.

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*No word from me until singer answers*

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Do it Dram. Vote no lynch.

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Finally...

Claim: Entertainer

Roleblocks an entire faction (exept for town), but can't roleblock the same player on consecutive nights

N1: Nobody Special - check suspicions
N2: C-Worl - check suspicions
N3: Charlie - was steaming cuz of Pine, trusted others of the town
N4: Gorilla - obv.
N5: Reckamonic (no kill)
N6: Zepher suspicions, etc.

This is exactly the reason why I distrusted every claim (apart from the cop one), because town would be enormous overpowered in this game that way.

Tonight I am going to roleblock reckamonic again in hopes of stopping the kill again.

And...

Vote: No lynch

Chrono, you should think more. Posting your reads when we are going to night is not the smartest thing to do...

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So you... targeted Reck... but didn't die?

and then you hammered NL, preventing us following up on the Defective PGO. Or am I missing something?

Nope. Think it out yourself, you should know it.

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Unclaim

In case that wasn't obvious.

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Whatchathink?

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let's do it semi-popcornish then
power, you pick next.

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VT off course
singer, explain your role.

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Yes.
I tried to eat a night-kill.
With 4 out of 6 players that want to lynch me, game is over.
I didn't have high hopes, but I could always try.

Now explain your role. I believe shit of still a power role in the game.

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Ok. That makes sense; however, that didn't work, so how do we trust that you weren't just pulling that gambit as scum to be able to explain why you were still alive now, since it was pretty obvious Zepher was going to get the NK.

I'd actually prefer not to explain my role just yet. There's really no point, and I've had my reasons for keeping silent. I have just one more that I need to exhaust, and he knows what I'm talking about.

Are you going to tell it this day?

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singer, I can't believe your claim... I truely can't.
Can somebody make a setup balance for me?
We know every power roles + the amount of scum etc. so...

Aaaand...

V/La for the weekend

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Of course you "just can't" believe my claim because that's one less person you can pin being scum on.

Good job.

Care you explain why you lied and tried to pin the lack of kill on Reck?

Didn't I say that?
Cuz I hoped scum killed me.
Dram is certainly scum. Why would vanilla town claim PGO?
Since I happened to get some time:

Spoiler: setup

Town

Seer
Cop
Voyeur
Jailkeeper
Neighbour x2 (near confirmed town)
(1 Neighbourizer thingiething)
10(/9) VT's

vs

Mafia

Tracker
Doc
Goon

vs

Wolves

Watcher
RB
Goon

vs

Bulletproof SK

I happened to find this game, which is extremely alike:
New York 115

Spoiler: setup New York 115

Town

Watcher
Tracker
Jailkeeper
One-shot vig
Bulletproof townie
2 Neighbours (with a scum neighbourizer)
10 VTs

vs

Red Mafia

Doc
Tracker
Goon

vs

Blue Mafia

Neighbourizer
Watcher
Goon

vs

Bulletproof SK

I believe the Blue mafia neighbourizer to be alike with the roleblocker, so:

Spoiler: comparing town

Town

Watcher
Tracker
Jailkeeper
One-shot vig
Bulletproof townie
2 Neighbours (with a scum neighbourizer)
10 VTs

vs

Town

Seer
Cop
Voyeur
Jailkeeper
Neighbour x2 (near confirmed town)
(1 Neighbourizer thingiething)
10(/9) VT's

Spoiler: comparing no. 2

JK - JK
Neighbours - Neighbours (keep in mind that if neighbourizer is dead, the two others wouldn't be very likely to be scum/same as now, 1 neighbour dead, the other won't be scum)
Tracker/Watcher/One-shot vig - Cop/Seer/Voyeur (Voyeur is a slight weaker watcher, cop/seer is better tracker, all together the one-shot vig is added to keep them alike.
BP - nothing. Our town should have something more

NVM singer, we should have something more... Guess you are town. So what does your power do?

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Hihi ^^
Was away for the weekend.
I'm rereading now.

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Okay, not so much rereading to be done.
I fail to see how reckamonic would hold their claim as long as singer said. It keeps a VT alive and directs town powers. No VT should do that. It would be stupid for him to not confirm singer's power (2 players thinking he is scum) and I haven't found him doing much pro-town. (not at all).

that's been giving me bad feelings for a fair deal of the game.

Yeah, one day...

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@ConSpiracy...I literally don't understand exactly what it is are you trying to say...

Which part do you mean?

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That I don't see him as town.

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That I don't see him as town.

I don't see it. The point being, he really DID confirm me as town. And he never allowed me to get lynched, sooo...

Wait, when did he get your message then?

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I'd like an answer when singer send the message.
And singer, how is the role called? I don't think the name is not-so neighbourizer.
Then I will think about who to vote for.

Also I don't like Reck asking for votes.

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Okay,

@mod: Are all roles in this game the same as the wiki says?

Dram beat me to it.

Dram is town:

Vote: Powerrox93

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This thread is moving fast...
What keeps every one from posting content?

Dram, who are your scumsuspects?
Power, the only way you can think singer is town is when dram is his scumbuddy. You really think both of them set this up to win? Wouldn't there be any quickhammer by now then?

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Power, the only way you can think singer is

town

scum

is when dram is his scumbuddy. You really think both of them set this up to win? Wouldn't there be any quickhammer by now then?

As if that wasn't obvious...

In both case, it's up to who the one townie is among you three (singer is not part of you three.)

I don't think I can follow this...

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Lawl. 1 v 1 v 1.
For me it doesn't really matter who to vote of the two. I will just doublecheck dram not being scummy and change my vote.

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Now you should think why Power (he is the odd one out since he voted last) is scum...
And huzza! Found.

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He's the odd one out because he's voting a townie? Agreed.

Well, if he really was a townie, he should know both of us were scum. He wouldn´t care voting for either of us, but I already had a vote.
Done deal.

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Well done. You picked the wrong one.

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Too bad! Oh well, I was wrong almost all the time. I didn´t really enjoy the game, mostly because mastin was doing really stupid and there weren´t interesting things going on in the thread. Scum did well, though I wouldn´t like lurking to victory, but nevermind.

Well done DemonHybrid.

Going to read the QT this afternoon.

BTW dram, my reasoning why power confirmed himself as scum was true. If he were town both of us should be scum. He wouldn't matter choosing either of us.

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People complained about mastin too much .

I played pretty shitty this game... A well-deserved win goes to the wolves.

Lol I forgot who you were because of your old avvy

WE'RE MAKING A PACT RIGHT NOW THAT WE AVOID CONSPIRACY GAMES IF POSSIBLE AND WE POLICY LYNCH THE FUCK OUT OF HIM IF WE DO END UP IN A GAME WITH HIM. THERE ARE NO DEBATES HERE. SWEAR TO ME THAT CONSPIRACY GETS POLICY LYNCHED EVERY FUCKING TIME FROM NOW ON! HE JUST EARNED THE TITLE OF VILLAGE FUCKING IDIOT!

And I want to know where that unnecessary hate came from.

The reason why I said ending the day early thingie was because the first day that'd be done it was short, the second day it was long. It means that every one didn't have much to do the first day, but the second day there was most likely something that had to be done first, such as scum talking about something. It isn't much, but in my mind Dram became more scummy because of that.

And yes, I played bad. The last few games I played in I was bad. I really need some kind of support to help myself.

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No offense, Con, but your Town play was horrible. I don't think you had a correct scumread until endgame, and you pushed Town mislynches really hard.

I had mastin, that counts for something.
And actually, I can see some players telling me I was horrible, but you weren't any good either.
As far as I know you have been lynched and didn't work out your reads enough to lynch. There are two things a townie has to do:
1. Getting good reads
2. Push those reads

I did #1 wrong, you did #2.

Like I said, no offense intended. We've all been there and played in games where we were dead wrong about just about everything. But that's where the frustration came from. Particularly those of us who figured it all out and promptly died, then had our reads ignored even though we had flipped Town.

Yeah well, this ignorance is something I started looking at in my last few games. People reject kills far too easily as being WIFOM. I regret not doing that in this game.

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If you had claimed scum, I would have lynched reck tbh. But I think if singer+reck had outted their encounter before now, I might have figured out Chrono, probably not Power though. I had Power/Consp as obvtown I think.

You think you'd believe mastin claiming mafia?