NY136: The Death of ReaperCharlie (GAME OVER, Town win!)

[Parama]

vote: kondi

[Parama]

FoS: AGM

You die once we get this policy lynch out of the way.

[Parama]

vote: petroleumjelly

for the questionable content of his first post.

He... hasn't posted yet?

[Parama]

Hydras gonna fail
^the moral of the story

[Parama]

I should probably be going to be right now.

Meransiel just FYI you're the only person here who I've played with that doesn't know that they've played with me.
That sounds incredibly convoluted.
Just thought I'd let you know all these things.

[Parama]

Oh by the way me DH and kondi are neighbors and in our neighborhood QT kondi said he wanted to be lynched which is why me and DH are voting him to oblivion.

Now everyone else will read this and do the same, kthx?

[Parama]

Code: Select all

[b]vote: kondi[/b]

Everyone who doesn't copy+paste+post the above goes onto my scumspects list.

[Parama]

Starting now, of course.
I don't care about the people who'd have to time paradox it up to read this post before knowing of its existence.

[Parama]

Confirming the above.
I can't believe you managed to make the paraphrase longer than the original post.

[Parama]

DAMMIT.
I JUST CONFIRMED THE TOPIC TITLE. SCREW YOU SENSFAN FOR PUSHING ME ONTO THE NEXT PAGE.

[Parama]

Yessir.
Me and DH just discussed whether or not we should out the neighborhood, for starters.

[Parama]

Dh we're like the flying ninja bros.

except I'm only getting ninja'd and not ninja'ing'ing.

[Parama]

I'm making references that I don't even know if they exist now for some reason.

Dammit I should go to bed

if I do I'll wake up to a 9001 page thread full of kondi votes though. that'd suck. exept for the parts about kondo votes.

my typing's sufferting now too. oh man I need sleep.

[Parama]

MOD: How much would it take to buy this thread from you? You can still run the game, I just really like this thread.

[Parama]

I actually don't disagree with AGM at all.
kondi's still a better lynch but if that Hydra Hydra Hydra Hydra doesn't start playing like a Hydra Hydra Hydra Hydra then they can go too.

[Parama]

3 dudes are quick wagoning up a guy.
4th dude comes in and...doesn't join quick wagon, or even comment on it, and votes someone else entirely.

Why does that matter?

[Parama]

I'm not RVSing.

[Parama]

OKAY GUYS I'M REALLY LEAVING NOW

SEE YOU ALL TOMORROW MORNING ON PAGE 674.

[Parama]

MOD: How much would it take to buy this thread from you? You can still run the game, I just really like this thread.

Make me an offer.

I have 53 cents in my pocket, and there's two dollars lying on the counter a few feet away. So I'll take the thread for 2 cents.

@Parama: What the fuck?

Vote: Parama

I played with you under an alt that nobody but the mods know about, just for clarification.

So did you play with Meran as an alt or as part of an unsigned Hydra? I don’t care the identity of said account but the type is quite important.

Pfffhaahahaahaha "Quite Important"? Why?

FoS: AGM

You die once we get this policy lynch out of the way.

I actually don't disagree with AGM at all.
kondi's still a better lynch but if that Hydra Hydra Hydra Hydra doesn't start playing like a Hydra Hydra Hydra Hydra then they can go too.

Let me get this straight …

In post 8 you FOS AGM for saying that the Hydra was scummy for playing ‘Unhydra like’.

You confirm in 35 that you disagree with AGM’s stance yet in the very next line say “If they don’t start playing like a Hydra they can go also”. Which is exactly the stance that AGM took that you are disagreeing with.

Huh?

I changed my mind because AGM's first post was crap but the rest of Hydra's posts past that point were crappier.
Also in 35 I said I

don't disagree

which means you need to learn to read better d(''d)

[Parama]

For the record, the only times I've ever played as a hydra were in the hydra mafia games, which is why I'm never playing as a hydra again.

And the reason for saying "don't disagree" instead of "agree" is that earlier I DID disagree with AGM. That has changed. Before, I disagreed. Now, I don't disagree.

The point stands that you need to be able to read better.

[Parama]

Can you two please be more specific on why you believe kondi's the best lynch for today?

No.

[Parama]

Then kondi is not dying.

There's literally NOTHING more to say.
Well, there WAS.

*facepalm* at kondi. neighbors =/= masons.

[Parama]

Wait I just realized.
kondi townslipped. Awesome. 1 confirmed town. Only need to confirm the rest of the town to win d(''d).

unvote, vote: Hydra

this is a vote.

[Parama]

@Meran - if Parama doesn't get to it first, how about you explain the obvious town slip from kondi? I'm still blatantly missing it.

sure.
kondi legitimately thought we were all confirmed town to each other. all I need to do is read his post in the neighborhood to confirm that. Reaction to finding out that neighbors are not confirmed = genuine. It is literally impossible for this reaction to come from scum. Therefore, townslip.

Cool, so now that klondi is town, there's probably one scum between Parama and DemonHybrid.

Thanks guys!

This looks suspiciously like lining up lynches. What happens in the case of a 3-town neighborhood? "Oops, I guess there weren't any scum in that neighborhood, I dun goofed guize!"

@Parama: What do you think are the chances of DH being scum?

Lower than average, since he was the one who suggested outing the neighborhood. Then again, MoI's catch is pretty good... THEN AGAIN, if DH cared about how he looked, he probably wouldn't have posted that comment in the first place. It's very much a nulltell, really. So yeah, DH is probably town, and I don't want to lynch him today.

P-Edit:
Hey look, MBL's recent post contributes nothing under the premise of trying to look like he's contributing something.
Just throwing that one out there.

[Parama]

Hydra

why the hell are you still voting kondi

oh wait

[Parama]

hey moai
kondi's post in the QT is incredibly vague, btw
I had no clue what he was talking about when he said "confirmed"
didn't get it until he explained
and when he explained he townslipped
at which point DH unvoted
I'm actually not seeing the problem here. at all.

[Parama]

Oh god I need to stop skimming and actually post something.

Been feeling really eehhhhh about all my games lately. Will try to get back into this tomorrow.

[Parama]

(lurky lurk + DH's story of why they decided to out the neighborhood reads like Parama is scum trying to get townpoints when faced with a bad situation. ("Oh shit, if I say let's not out the neighborhood he'll think I'm scum" tell. And yes I realize this is WIFOM. That's why he's on the watch list.)

Oh god. This is hilarious.
I haven't been posting recently. This is because of lazy, and doesn't apply to just this game.
However, please note that I have more posts than anybody else in the game. LURKY LURKY LURK LURK ALL RIGHT.
Your hypothetical situation assumes I'm scum to make an argument as to why I may be scum.
WIFOMing away your own arguments means you did nothing but waste space.

I'll read over the boring stuff later.

[Parama]

*anyone except Meransiel

screw off. I don't care.

[Parama]

Stuff from page 6:

why the hell are you still voting kondi

Because I think he's scum and don't like the counterwagon on me. What of it?

Why do you think he's scum?

kondi legitimately thought we were all confirmed town to each other. all I need to do is read his post in the neighborhood to confirm that.

Please paraphrase it again.

Nah. Don't feel like it.

They were talking about lynching me before I posted in the QT.

I suggested it d(''d)
I had and still have good reasoning, but it seems to be too late at this point because he's now confirmed town in my eyes.

This looks suspiciously like lining up lynches. What happens in the case of a 3-town neighborhood? "Oops, I guess there weren't any scum in that neighborhood, I dun goofed guize!"

Well, yeah - but it's a good thing, not bad. I'd gladly trade 1 town for 1 scum - and that's the worst case odds, since it assumes we lynch the town player first and not the scum player (if we lynch the scum player first, then we're just done).

Missing the point. Like, you didn't read past "lining up lynches" in my post. Read it again, please, and then make a RELEVANT post.

If 1 or 2 of you are PR, you clearly can't be all town

0_0
o_0
:-/
.-.
0_0

Explain this to me?
Oh and yes it is rolefishing.

FoS: AGM

You die once we get this policy lynch out of the way.

This post annoys me. Passing it off as a policy lynch and FoSing the first person who doesn't join your wagon?

It was a policy lynch. It started as a policy lynch even before kondi said he was okay with it.
I didn't FoS AGM just because he didn't join the wagon, I FoSed him because that post was crap. and now he's improved a bunch so I don't FoS him anymore.

Unvote, Vote: Meransiel

Not only has he been scummy, but if he flips scum, the 3 of us neighbors can rest easy knowing that we're near-confirmed town.

This irks me, particularly the timing. You could've said the same thing in your last post, but it looks like you waited until someone else voted to vote. Testing the waters?

[Parama]

Page 7 stuff:

Hey, at least I'm not bullshitting you and copy/pasting the other reasons to vote for him.

You're using the same reasons, so you might as well have been.
I don't like Iece's 152. Lots of town reads, little scumhunting, and very little of backing up reads.
saporo 157 is amazingly worthless.
Meran, why did you bring this up anyways? Seems random.

3.)

I don’t like how Parama got defensive about whether he thought there could a be a scum in his Neighborhood after announcing that kondo2424 was Town.

If you were apparently willing to lynch kondi2424 before he even posted in the Neighbor QT – supposedly on the assumption that there might be a scum in the Neighborhood – then it is reasonable to wonder if you would still consider lynching the third member if you strongly thought the second to be Town.

I thought kondi was scum in the neighborhood. It's assumed that I thought DH was town. Once kondi townslipped, I no longer had any reason to suspect that there was scum in the neighborhood. Why would I attack someone I thought was town on the off chance that they could be scum in the neighborhood? It's not a guaranteed scumlynch and I only vote the scum who are guaranteed scumlynches.

4.)

Also, I have to ask – and this goes to both DemonHybrid and Parama: if you could apparently

daytalk

with kondi2424, why didn’t you ask him to clarify what he meant in the Neighborhood QT before attacking him and outing the Neighborhood? If his post was so “incredibly vague,” it sounds like you should have bothered to ask him questions before making an irreversible claim for all three of you.

Because kondi is always a good lynch.

If Meran is Town then at least 1 scum jumped on this easy wagon. Role-fishing is one of the easiest accusations to make that seems like a good scum-tell but rarely is.

Ooh, nice call. One of 5 players is likely to be scum. That's probably true statistically, too. Great job, sherlock.

If this is Thor I’m fairly assured that you know I don’t but any weight at all in Town slips / tells. On its face the statement was reasonable for a newer MS member. I also went and looked at all Kondi’s on site games (ongoing and completed) to see if he had played with Neighbors or Masons before. I see zero evidence that he has so the statement remains credible to me.

Question!
In what world is it NOT a townslip?

This looks suspiciously like lining up lynches. What happens in the case of a 3-town neighborhood? "Oops, I guess there weren't any scum in that neighborhood, I dun goofed guize!"

Thanks for tripping one of my personal scum-tells!

You're welcome.
Now care to explain why you disagree with me?

Then again, MoI's catch is pretty good...

I'm actually not seeing the problem here. at all.

I’d like you to point me to what happened between 116 and 125 that changed the catch from being ‘pretty good’ to ‘you not seeing a problem’. Because all the facts you claim make DH believable happened before 116.

I didn't read closely enough. That tends to be a trend. Your argument was one of those "looks good on the surface but is complete BS when you read into it" type deals.
Yos, Moai: stop having wall-o-text wars. Not reading any of it. Probably not missing anything.

[Parama]

Page 8 wazzup:
Iece's 178 is just as useless as his last catch-up. There's a lot there, but none of it says anything.
What the hell this page is all walls.
No.
Screw it. I'm done.

[Parama]

Parama’s

240

pings my scumdar.

This is the second time you've said this, and the second time you haven't explained.

[Parama]

It means IDGAF about your posts.

[Parama]

Nah. Don't feel like it.

This is the second time you've said this, and the second time you haven't explained.

Oh, so it’s perfectly fine for you not to elaborate when you want but others doing isn’t appropriate. Noted.

Haha, nice out-of-context quote there. I refused to paraphrase something that has already been paraphrasing. Where have I refused to elaborate on something?

Because kondi is always a good lynch.

Oh, so your good reasoning to think there was scum in the Neighborhood was a Policy Lynch. I see.

Haha, misrep it up.
I thought kondi was a good policy lynch BEFORE he was scum.
When I thought he was scum, I pushed it as a policy lynch anyways . Me and DH had already agreed to push this lynch prior to the game so it hardly matters.
I now have no reason to believe there is scum in the neighborhood.

In what world is it NOT a townslip?

What part of the phrase “I don’t put (yeah, I had a typo originally) any weight at all in Town slips / tells” don’t you get?

So you think townslips don't exist. I know that's what you said.
Tell me why what kondi posted isn't a townslip, because I believe they exist, and I believe kondi made one. If you think townslips don't exist, then prove it to me right here that kondi did not in fact townslip.

Now care to explain why you disagree with me?

Disagree with you regarding what? Your hypothetical situation as posed? That your attack using the ‘Lining up lynches’ play is scummy? I need more information to clearly respond.

You said my argument was a scumtell, which means you disagreed with it.
Does AGM's post not look like lining up lynches to you? Because it does to me.

Yos, Moai: stop having wall-o-text wars. Not reading any of it. Probably not missing anything.

Parama – stop whining like a suburban spoiled emo kid that ‘Reading is Hard’.

I am here to play mafia, not read a goddamn novel. Yes, MoI, your posts are almost exclusively TOO DAMN LONG. Conciseness is pro-town. Apparently you were never taught this. And when you make long posts, it forces other people to make long responses. And then there are long responses to those responses, and the cycle perpetuates creating worse and worse posts until everyone gives up.

[Parama]

Y'know what it's time for methinks?

unvote, vote: MoI

he's scum. Lots of misrep and he's happy to dodge any question thrown his way. He's on the "lynch the neighbors" wagon, and it's because he knows we're all town.
Still hasn't explained either of the times where I "tripped one of his personal scumtells" or "pinged his scumdar".
I could probably write several books on his posting thus far if I ever felt bored enough to do a PBPA. I was just getting bad vibes at first but now it's definitely something worth pursuing.

[Parama]

2.)

Parama, why did

you

want to be the one who outed the Neighborhood (according to what we've been told about your QT discussions)? Why couldn't DemonHybrid do it? That's a strange request to make.

'cause it would've been faster than waiting for DH to do it.
Even though he was online at the same time.

[Parama]

I'm going to be

V/LA from 6/26 to 6/29

.

[Parama]

*yawn*

I'd rather see MoIscum lynched. I'm too lazy to attack multiple people at once, anywho.

[Parama]

...I already did?

[Parama]

There's even been a votecount since I voted for him. Do you read this thread?

[Parama]

@Parama - then maybe you should be explaining why this pile of people on Meran is wrong and we should all be lynching MoI? Because that weaksauce wagon isn't going anywhere quick, and YOU'RE IGNORING MERAN ADMITTING TO BEING SCUM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ATTACK MULTIPLE PEOPLE!?!

Show me where Meran claimed scum?

vote: MoI he's scum. Lots of misrep and he's happy to dodge any question thrown his way.

Please clarify.

@DH and Parama

, what's this all about, and was it prior to D1 or prior to receiving alignments?

Me and DH had already agreed to push this (kondi) lynch prior to the game.

The conversation has already been paraphrased at least once <_<
Hey look, you took my quote out of context (sorta) and then asked me to clarify.
Funnily enough, I clarified plenty in that post and in previous posts made, but when you take things out of context you lose all that, don't you?

[Parama]

Gah, I messed up the order of stuff in that post didn't I.
Fixed version:

vote: MoI he's scum. Lots of misrep and he's happy to dodge any question thrown his way.

Please clarify.

The conversation has already been paraphrased at least once <_<

@DH and Parama

, what's this all about, and was it prior to D1 or prior to receiving alignments?

Me and DH had already agreed to push this (kondi) lynch prior to the game.

Hey look, you took my quote out of context (sorta) and then asked me to clarify.
Funnily enough, I clarified plenty in that post and in previous posts made, but when you take things out of context you lose all that, don't you?[/quote]

[Parama]

Prior to D1, seeing as I received my alignment with my role PM, and that same role PM contained to Neighbor QT link.

[Parama]

Skimmed it up, will actually read later. Maybe.

[Parama]

Well today I was at my grandparents for most of the day. Now I'm at home, sitting in front of my computer. I have no intentions of reading what I missed today.

[Parama]

1:

@Parama: What do you think are the chances of DH being scum?

Lower than average, since he was the one who suggested outing the neighborhood. Then again, MoI's catch is pretty good... THEN AGAIN, if DH cared about how he looked, he probably wouldn't have posted that comment in the first place. It's very much a nulltell, really. So yeah, DH is probably town, and I don't want to lynch him today

2:

2.)

Parama, why did

you

want to be the one who outed the Neighborhood (according to what we've been told about your QT discussions)? Why couldn't DemonHybrid do it? That's a strange request to make.

'cause it would've been faster than waiting for DH to do it.
Even though he was online at the same time.

3:
First you should ask yourself what reason he'd have to lie about something that two other players can confirm, and then you should ask yourself why you asked three stupid questions considering two of them I'd already answered and the third answers itself.

[Parama]

Hell, you just asked me a question... that you'd already asked me, and that I'd already answered.
Thanks for wasting my time.

[Parama]

1. dealwithit
2. dealwithit
3. dealwithit

dealwithit

PJ, I don't give a damn about what you want.

[Parama]

vote: mastin2

YAY I CAN PUT OFF READING FOR A DAY

By the way all large normal setups get reviewed so the setup can't possibly be illegal.

[Parama]

That won't do much good :/

[Parama]

And why would that be?

[Parama]

My excuse is that I still haven't read yet :U

[Parama]

PJ, the problem is I have no clue what this game is about. All my reads would be from page 10 or so. I WILL read eventually, hopefully sooner than later, but until then,

SCREW OFF.

[Parama]

Example from a normal game, because examples from theme games are IRRELEVANT JUST FYI.

[Parama]

noooope.

[Parama]

unvote

I see no reason for you to lie about THAT except for LOLIJKGUISE reasons but the mod will tell us all we need to know anyways so

oh hey mastin just wondering why am I scum?

[Parama]

Wow, I can't defend against a non-case.

[Parama]

Mastin.
Your case is literally taking quotes and throwing words on them without context.
What the hell do you expect me to do?

[Parama]

Logical fallacy:
Even if DH was SK, he wouldn't know for sure or not whether I was town.
Your argument assumes me and DH know each others' alignments, yet you also suggest we're not the same alignment.

[Parama]

This is likely the main reason both Demon and Parama have to call it an all-town neighborhood--because if they don't, then they've effectively scumclaimed via them mutually agreeing Kondi was town.

This is either piss-poor wording or you implying that we know each other's alignments - because you make it seem like there's also a mutual agreement to call the neighborhood all-town. An unspoken agreement.

Which there's not.
Because the neighborhood is at least 66% town and probably 100% town. Mastin's just on pinecones again probably.

[Parama]

DH I don't swear.

Hey peeps I actually started reading today and hopefully in a day or two I'll have this huge wall for you to not read.

[Parama]

Sweet, a wagon.

[Parama]

saporo why do you think I'm scummy again? Early game you said I was townish, and I don't really see much more from you while skimming your ISO.

And FFS guys I'm reading now, don't lynch me before I can give you all content that you ever wanted and then some.

[Parama]

@Parama

, you haven't done an ounce of scumhunting in your last 22 posts.

Not that YOU'VE seen.
I refuse to post my entire wall of "scum just lost this game" until:
A. I'm completely caught up and the wall is complete
B. I've been lynched and there's no reason not to post what I have

FTR I started on page 12 and went through page 16 yesterday but I started kinda late yesterday. At the rate I'm going I'll probably be finished sometime tomorrow.

[Parama]

yeah about being done by today
been kinda busy with other stuff, haven't read past page 20 BUT I'M GETTING THERE sorta. DH can vouch for me in the fact that I have actually written stuff, except he's on V/LA or something.

[Parama]

no I am posting it all at once so your minds all get simultaneously blown

it's already 6 pages in MS word
no quotes because quote stripes died with moi

[Parama]

but I have posted everything I've done so far in the neighbor QT
even asked DH to clarify some stuff
his responses may be paraphrased in the final wall

[Parama]

And you became INFAMOUS for that kind of nonsense.
Also there's tons of links which are shorter than quotes. It requires more reading than what's just in the wall, because I'm like that.

[Parama]

Hmm, I could be reading instead of posting here.

...but I don't really want to. Tomorrow I'll make PROOOOGRESSSS!!!! yay

[Parama]

I AM NOT A DORK TO BE PRODDED

[Parama]

Oh and I was going to read tonight and then I got distracted. I will totally devote all of tomorrow to reading or die or something

[Parama]

This is a really DORCish catchup, wouldn’t you agree?
Using a makeshift points system to track my reads. No, it won’t set my vote in stone, but it helps. Positive is scummier, negative is townier. No more than one point per any one argument.

Page 12:
Iece 295 – Thanks for telling us which reasons you thought were good and which you thought were bad.

+1

.
Meran 296 – Narrowed it down? Didn’t kondi townslip? That’s no fault of your own, yet you seem to be saying you did some sort of work to “narrow it down”. Maybe a bit nitpicky but still.

+1

.
Meran 298 – This post is useless. No elaboration, just making random claims.

+1

.
Iece: +1; Total: 1
Meran: + 2; Total: 2

Page 13:
Meran 302 – You’re both advocating your lynch and trying to halt an argument with an attacker. What is this abomination.

+1

.
Meran 308 – And thanks for telling us what townslip you WERE talking about. <_<
PJ 311:

a)

– I suitably answered that in the post you quoted which is why I didn’t answer MBL specifically. Nice job taking my quote out of context, though.

+1

.

b)

– I perfectly stated my intentions. It was going to be a policy lynch BEFORE kondi made his post.

c)

– If you don’t like this answer, tough. It’s the truth.
I adequately answered all these questions, if you don’t like my answers, that’s your problem, not mine.
Meran 317 – “Oh hey someone made a decent length something-like-a-case on someone. Saying this will allow me to come back to this wagon later.” This is the feeling I get from this post, dunno about anyone else.

+1

.
Iece 319 – This is awful. “Nothing’s changed about my top scumspect. Let me change my vote.” “Everything was good, yes, except, hmm, the parts about me being… scummy.”

+1

.
Earworm 321 – Seems odd that, after doing something like this, you didn’t talk about if your DH read had changed or not, which begs the question… did it?
Iece 324 – You’re not voting your top scumread… sigh. This just always pisses me off.
Meran: +2; Total: 4
PJ: +1; Total: 1
Iece: +1; Total: 2

Page 14:
Sapo 330 – If he was trying to keep attention away from the neighbors, why the hell would he want to out the neighborhood in the first place?
MBL 336 – Why did you vote me? What’s up with the random question? Do you still need me to answer that? Didn’t you realize I was on V/LA?
PJ 337 – Thanks for blatantly bandwagoning. Your reason for voting me, at that point in time, was akin to “I don’t think he adequately answered questions posed to him” even though my answers to everything were more than sufficient.

+1

.
Meran 338 – Something about the line “Also, can you remove your vote from me, given your stance?” is really bugging me… I remember a similar post in the previous few pages (no I will not read back to find it, screw you). Seems more self-interest than anything. Sirens are going off now.

+1

.
earworm 343 – Something about this post is giving off townvibes. I think it’s the way that earworm’s going about it – MBL’s vote hop makes no sense, as town or scum, and earworm’s trying to get information instead of attacking him for it. Or something like that. I can’t really put words but I now have another town read, yay!

-1

.
MBL 348 – Being replaced doesn’t change someone’s role… and while I do hate MoI’s playing style always and forever, I had legitimate reasons to suspect him. Not so much anymore, for obvious reasons, but.
PJ: +1; Total: 2
Meran: +1; Total: 5
earworm: -1; Total: -1

Page 15:
God this page is like a theory battleground. That Meransiel is saying “Just because someone is attacking me doesn’t mean they’re scum” is giving off a slight towntell, because scum would have less incentive to say that than town would. Just FYI, Meran, in a 18p game, statistically, a wagon of 5 players will contain 1 scum, assuming there are 4 scum or more (which is almost a guarantee).

-1

.
Hydra 368 – Are you reading comprehension much? It’s already been explained several times why that’s a townslip, it IS a townslip or I’m a corpse in manhattan, and why does it sound kinda like you’re trying to discredit the almighty townslip?

+1

.
Shanba 374 – I wish you’d done more to show me why my attack was wrong, if you disagreed with it.
Meran: -1; Total: 4
Hydra: +1; Total: 1

Page 16:
Iece 391 – If you don’t have scumreads, it’s probably time to reread. I mean that’s kinda what I’m doing sorta I guess? I don’t really like the nonchalant way Iece says this – “Oh hey guys I have 2 scum reads and no other scum reads, I’m not interested in finding any more scum reads right now either. Thanks!” Then again… technically limiting your pool of suspects closer to a lynch is a good thing… eh, I dunno. Something’s still bugging me but it may just be me.
And that’s literally it for this page. Wonderful.

Page 17:
Oh hey, if I had read immediately, then I would’ve saved myself 10 pages of trouble <_<
Go me.
PJ 407 – This is practically the bible of false dichotomy. You seem intent on doing little more than chaining lynches.

+1

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Hrezs 408 is just atrocious. Anyone paying attention would’ve seen that MoI put Sens in the actively scummy category, but I have a feeling Hrezs only read the lurker line, and only because he saw his name there.

+1

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Frankly I don’t even understand why there was an AGM wagon at this point… and I just read the past few pages somewhat carefully, too.
MBL 414 – questions at me seem completely irrelevant and useless. Yosarian’s been null all game, can’t really think of anything noteworthy he’s done either way, and there’s no reason to give an opinion on AGM now… why did you ask these when you did?
Not a specific post that I want to point out but it’s like… as soon as people stopped pressuring Meran… he started acting way more townie and I like him a lot more now. Still doesn’t fully remove suspicion but we’ll see how it goes from here.

-1

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PJ: +1; Total: 3
Hrezs: +1; Total: 1
Meran: -1; Total: 3

Page 18:
DH 427 – On Iece: Scum would put in more effort? That seems… unlikely. Town care about lynching scum, scum don’t. Town have more reason to put effort into their posts. Unless this is some meta thing… and meta is crap so yeah.
DH 429 – Yos is the only genuine vote on your #2 scumpick? If you think people aren’t genuine in their votes… then you’re saying you think they’re lying… which means you should see the player they’re voting as townier because of… but still… what. Is this some sort of contradiction? Or me just reading things wrong? My mind hurts.
DH 433 – Then why the hell do you have him as a scum read? “AGM is probably scum, but he has lots of bad votes on him, so he’s probably town.” This is basically what you’re saying here…

+1

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PJ 438 – No, that is not a valid reason. For starters, what have I done that a town neighbor wouldn’t do? Hint: The answer is nothing. And “influence kondi” who is the worst goddamn sheeper on the site? To influence that dude, all you’d need to say is “Vote kondi” and he’s like “OKAY VOTE: KONDI”. Oh and the neighborhood is absolutely dead and has been. There wasn’t a single post between 6/24 and 7/03. And both those posts were me.
MoI 439 – Goddammit, I wish he was still alive so I could hear elaboration on that first line. I’m not sure what he’s even implying there.
DH 448 – Eh, I’d be like “Nice to see you stepping through that revolving door twice” but AGM’s posts were pretty ehh. Not really lynchworthy because he does bring up some valid points but the general attitude is – OH WAIT HAHA I’M SUCH A HYPOCRITE . Yeah no attitude generally isn’t a scumtell but the post is still kinda ehh. Eh. Uh.
DH: +1; Total: +1

Page 19:
PJ 455 – “Those last few posts are indeed pretty bad.” You’re not going to go into a point-by-point like you do on everyone else? It’s like you’re saying “Eh I’ll support this mislynch because it won’t hurt me but I don’t want to put effort into pushing it in case people will suspect me for fueling a lynch wagon that already seemed likely.” Oh and yes that is different from trying to start a mislynch wagon, I’ll have you know.

+1

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Meran 458 – Holy crap it’s like nobody is even TRYING to push this wagon, they all know it’s gonna go through, there’s no stopping it, and there’s no reason to put their lives on the line for it. I bet every single scum at least paid lip service to the AGM wagon.

+1

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MBL 465 – If you’re going this route, you should just ask me what my reads on every player are <_<. Seriously, your questions seem to be getting more and more irrelevant every time you post.
DH 471 – Uh… town vibes I am getting.

-1

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PJ: +1; Total: 4
Meran: +1; Total: 4
DH: -1; Total: 0

Page 20:
DH 476 – Don’t freaking speak for me and assume I was thinking the same things you were. I voted kondi because what sane town asks to be lynched? And then we later found out “the not-sane kind who doesn’t read their role PM right but manages to townslip as a result”.

+1

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Mastin 480 – Just wondering but where did this mason theory come from? And where the hell did it go? I would +1 this but… for obvious reasons, that’s not going to happen.
PJ 494 – I just want to go back to this post again because it’s fun.

1.)

There’s a then again towards towniness overturning a then again towards scumminess. And I think I went over why MoI’s one thing was a fallacy in a later post.

2.)

Again, tough luck. It’s the truth.

3.)

It actually seems like an excuse to have The Rule Of Threes in your post, thank you very much.
DH: +1; Total: 1


there's a reason I didn't want to post this until it was finished <_<
jerks.

[Parama]

now go kill yourselves I'm not voting yet because of reasons that are obvious
I should never go V/LA ever again

[Parama]

Meran I don't want to lynch you.

[Parama]

Did you quote it first? because y'know there are tons of links, which I said is what made it longer.

[Parama]

See, now I posted an unfinished catch-up and everyone and their mother are jumping to conclusions.

Great job, guys. "HEY POST YOUR CRAP OR WE LYNCH YOU" *posts what he has far* "YOUR CRAP IS BS BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING ACCUSATIONS AND NO CONCLUSIONS, DIE."

WELL NO WAY THERE ARE NO CONCLUSIONS IN A HALF-FINISHED CATCH-UP POST.

[Parama]

I'm pretty much not interested in rereading at this point, because I've remembered how much I hate doing it.

vote: PJ

[Parama]

actually no

Requesting Replacement

get someone else in here who actually cares about this game

[Parama]

I know you claimed vig and I know Meran claimed tracker.

[Parama]

I speak collectively for the dead QT here:

FINALLY!!!