NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[Slaxx]

Ohai. Will catch up ASAP gimme time currently on phone until I get power back.

[Slaxx]

I'm reading the last 10 pages....

Trying to figure out why Mastin hasn't been hung yet...

[Slaxx]

But before I decide can I get a list of claims somewhere?

[Slaxx]

Oh wow have we not mass claimed yet?

[Slaxx]

Okay well I am going to wait for Mastin to put up what he needs to but I'm pretty firm on lynching him. Risky gambit as doc is risky.

[Slaxx]

My main qualm with Mastin's claim is if he had thought about it for a bit, he would have realized that having a Seer but not a cop would make the werewolves way less powerful than mafia and throw the game off balance unless werewolves had weaker roles or less people, but I see it being far more likely the teams are evenly balanced. So saying he didn't think there was a cop is silly, and something I doubt someone as analytical as Mastin would have conveniently missed. Also, him switching his claim to doc today makes the cop claim even more unbelievable. My guess is this either really is a gambit from Mastin or a kill got roleblocked last night and he is taking advantage of the situation. Either way its the rope for him.

[Slaxx]

When I say a gambit, I mean he was anti-town and decided to no kill and claim doc.

[Slaxx]

Lol. Or wolves just have better players. Also the seer died night 1 before he got to catch mafia whereas the cop caught one. That's easily explained. And much more realistic and parsimonious than thinking one team is way more powered just because there isn't an investigative role that targets them (especially now that one for each faction has flipped). I'm not buying it. Also, zePher, if you didn't notice the balance issue either wouldn't you be sympathizing with Mastin instead of admonishing doubt? Feels almost like am excuse to bus but that will wait until later. Mastin will flip wolf.

[Slaxx]

I meant more powerful wolve roles with only a seer. I think you're missing my point anyway.

[Slaxx]

Also it's not a gambit. There's a mafia roleblocker and mastin got roleblocked. Gorilla claimed to have been roleblocked when he tried to investigate the PGO. See no reason for dead cop to lie. I'm like 95% sure that's what happened. Mastin failed to kill and then decided to claim doc. That is why he keeps saying he wouldn't gambit like this. He didn't intend for the no kill to happen.

[Slaxx]

Because you fake claimed cop. That's always a good reason to lynch.

[Slaxx]

Well then he got roleblocked. Point is I live in a tunnel and you are getting lynched today.

[Slaxx]

Work on the case. It's kind of what we are waiting for.

[Slaxx]

I'm sorry. Take your time. I'm not voting until you get it up out of respect and because regardless of your alignment it's going o be content.

[Slaxx]

Prodvoid. Still waiting on mastin.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx has forwarded the deadline to Monday.

As in, if a case isnt up by monday I vote Mastin and rage so obnoxiously for everyone else to until you do it just to shut me up.

[Slaxx]

K Im bored.

Vote Mastin

[Slaxx]

grumble grumble

unvote

[Slaxx]

I'm not going to hammer until you get a case out. Or tomorrow. Whichever comes first.

[Slaxx]

Nothing's happen. Mastin has like 18 hours to post before I bring the wrath of hammer.gif on him.

[Slaxx]

"Nothing has happened"

Usually I don't correct typos if they are easily deciphered but that one just makes me look stupid.

[Slaxx]

Still waiting on Mastin's case.

/lurk

[Slaxx]

Can I not just have the dr Seuss version of both?

[Slaxx]

Um I'm not really going to hammer you at x:xx. It'll be today but I'm not that douchey. Close though.

[Slaxx]

Uh, mastin. I don't think you are going to die right away.

[Slaxx]

Well I am probably going out tonight (lolpersonallifeoninternet) so I probably wont be back until late late unless plans fall through. So I probably won't hammer you. Or vote. Or whatever. I too was up all night last night so I might go sleep too.

tldr: I'm not going to hammer you yet.

[Slaxx]

Nobody knows anyone is town with this two faction bullshit.

[Slaxx]

Okay slaxx is getting impatient. And referring to himself in the third person. That's serious shit.

[Slaxx]

Mastin you should sleep. All game-related material aside 2 nights of sleep deprivation is not worth an online game. I don't think anyone is going to read the content (unless you flip town, then I will make sure to look at it) but if you think this is going to get you off the lynch hook I don't think it matters.

[Slaxx]

You are pulling on my heart strings. Stop dat.

[Slaxx]

This game is dying. 24 hours from now I vote, regardless.

[Slaxx]

Town Neighbor, my other neighbor was dead.

Am I allowed to make references to the QT?

[Slaxx]

Okay. Let me paraphrase the QT then

My slot: Hi
Other slot: Hi
My slot (Night 1): Hi what do you think?
Other slot (Night 1): Gorilla is scum, Nero is PR
Other slot (Night 2): You and quadz=mafia
My slot (Night 2): No you are.


So productive.

[Slaxx]

If he really was the doc

1) He wouldn't have CCed the cop
2) After a seer flip in a confirmed 2 faction game

Game, set, and match.

[Slaxx]

Mastin might be a werewolf rolecop or something. Possible. I could actually see

rolecop/watcher/wolf

vs

roleblocker/tracker/goon

or something similar. Actually, that works quite well I think. We know orilla ot roleblocked and the dead wolf said somethin about watcher. Setup speculation is useless I guess but might as well share thoughts.

[Slaxx]

-Gorilla Got

obv stupid sticky G key

[Slaxx]

I swear on my life, soul, and honor I am actually a Pelican.



I use my beak to type.

[Slaxx]

First off. Why I didn't do this immediately. "It Only Works Once, You Know. " Holds true for this game. I consider that sentence to be so strong, so powerful, that I never wanted to use it more than once. (If I did it every game where I was town, but refused to do it as scum, I'd eventually become the easiest-to-identify-scum-player-ever. )

I didn't want to use it, because I was intending on saving it for some later game. Yet I've used it here and now, since I decided there was no better time to do so. Because there'd be no other situation where those words would mean more to me, no possible situation close to what I'm in now.

Now, as to why those words are important.

In one of my novels, dealing with souls and the afterlife, where reincarnation is common, Death Is Cheap, people can survive things they shouldn't be able to, etc., breaking a promise made in such a matter

erases you from existence

. It's the ONLY way to end up Deader than Dead. Heck, in the story, people who've been dead (and presumed deader than dead) are actually alive thousands of years after they were destroyed. Even they dare not violate that promise, because it's the unbreakable rule. (Formed from a combination of things, by the way. All three pieces are important to me.)

Life--by stating you're willing to risk your life on something, you're ready to die if you are wrong, ready to let yourself be killed. Theoretically the weakest of the three, since getting killed in this case is a lynch. But when you realize that I'm sacrificing my Real Life activities, that I'm suffering in Real Life, you realize how it's just as important as the other two pieces. That I'm giving up everything I possibly can for this game.

Honor--the largest to me. I have a Code of Conduct I maintain in my games. I do not do certain things others probably would have no issues with, but I personally find abhorrent. For instance, cursing. I do not like vulgar words, to the point where this game marked the second time in my MafiaScum career (that's 35 games, mind you) that I had done so--with the previous curse being in my first game, and far more minor.

Heck. I even try to avoid FOREIGN curse words. No American would be offended by a lot of worse I know off the top of my head, but the potential to offend others is there, so I do not employ them.

That's just one of many. My rules, my code, are part of my Honor. I am a guy who is extremely Honorable, to the point of Honor Before Reason. I dislike lies, I dislike dishonesty, because they seem to...well, just be wrong. (That said, deception is fine, since it's manipulating, bending the truth, rather than flat-out breaking it. I'm a man of my word, but I'm quite the fan of Exact Words. )

Me playing on mastin2 and being on a self-inflicted MD ban is another, due to There Will Be Bloodshed. Would anyone care if I read MD, and contributed actively there? Would anyone care if I posted as Mastin, rather than mastin2?

Nobody else. But I would, because I made a promise, and to violate it would be to break my honor, shatter it and leave me with...what?
Nothing. Honor's huge for me.

Soul is, of course, one of the more subjective ones. I'm not a particularly religious guy, but I do believe in souls existing, and when I say, "I pour my heart and soul into the game", I really do mean it. Giving the game my essence, giving the game my spirit, who I really am.

To make an oath on one of these would be powerful, to me.

To make an oath on all of them is the strongest weapon I have.

Vote: Mastin

[Slaxx]

I swear on my life, soul, and honor I am actually a Pelican.

I use my beak to type.

Can I put that in my sig/wiki page once the game is over?

Don't know what to thing of mastin latest post. Less then 4 hours until deadline now

Yessir.

[Slaxx]

I wanted a case on other people for wolf not for you being town.

DAMMIT ALL TO HELL. I WILL PECK YOUR EYES OUT.

[Slaxx]

Oh.

unvote

Get the cases up >.>

[Slaxx]

Well too bad, because he is getting lynched.

[Slaxx]

Oh cool, I knew it was Zepher/mastin.

[Slaxx]

Oh cool, I knew it was Zepher/mastin.

No.

Yup.

[Slaxx]

Alright. Mastin, I am hammering in a bit. Get what you have up.

[Slaxx]

^ No him

[Slaxx]

I wasnt being serious. Idk who mafia is, but Werewolves are Zepher and Mastin. Kind of hoping the problem will resolve itself overnight.

[Slaxx]

Why would you make a scum case on town.

You are one silly goober.

[Slaxx]

Tunnel unnel unnel

Can you really blame me though. I mean your gambit was bad with a flipped seer. You CANNOT blame me for thinking you are some sort of hostile faction.

[Slaxx]

If you are doctor I will blindly sheep your reads to victory ftw

[Slaxx]

You dont know me bro. If you flip town I go into beast mode tomorrow. Both in frustration at you for silly gambit and super scumhuting (hint: I don't like to be wrong, if I am wrong, I will not be wrong tomorrow). Although my death is a possibility I guess.

[Slaxx]

ZZzzZZzz <-Active lurking.

How much longer Mastin :<

[Slaxx]

Fuck no

[Slaxx]

lol

I wasn't going to say anything but uh

what the purple cat said

[Slaxx]

Interestingly enough that makes me a hypocrite attacking a hypocrite

[Slaxx]

That was L-1

vote MAstin

and so is this.

So now what. someone has to budge.

[Slaxx]

I refuse to change my vote from mastin until he's dead. I would rather no-lynch then lynching someone that isn't mastin

[Slaxx]

The sheer fact there is a competing bandwagon on someone who is V/La that formed practically overnight against a guy who CCED THE FUCKING COP IN A TWO SCUM SETUP WITH FLIPPED SEER probably means the people on the v/la wagon HAVE THE WRONG FUCKING GUY

GOOD DAY TO YOU SIRS

[Slaxx]

I DONT KNOW WHATS GOING ON ANYMORE
ALL I KNOW IS I LIVE IN A TUNNEL AND YOU ARE AT THE END OF IT
BUT FOR GOOD REASONS

AND I REALIZE I WAS USING YOUR LOGIC, THATS WHY I SAID THAT
CAPS ARE UNECESSARY
I apologize.
Still lynching you.

[Slaxx]

I am about ready to vote conspiracy out of sheer rage. This is dumb. Mastin didnt think there was a cop with a seer flip. What the fuck is that shit. That is what it comes down too. He could write 500 pages of AtE, 500 pages of cases, and 500 pages of romantic novels in his defense and I still wouldn't change. Mastin didn't think there was a cop when a seer flipped? MASTIN didnt think that? THE GUY WHO JUST WROTE A FUCKING NOVEL ON THINGS AND ANALYZED THE SHIT OUT OF THE GAME...DIDNT THINK THERE WAS A COP TO MATCH THE SEER WHEN BOTH COP AND WEREWOLF HAD FLIPPED?

FUCKING PLEASE.

[Slaxx]

-Seer, Mafia, and Werewolf had flipped.

[Slaxx]

Reckamonic's PGO claim is bullshit I am pretty sure. Too many antitown PRs, makes it swingy. Hostile faction has roleblocker, apparently wolves have watcher. Probably means hostile faction without roleblocker has rolecop.

I am willing to lynch Reckamonic, given he is last scum. He isn't a wolf though.

[Slaxx]

Think about it for a second.

Charlie suspected Reck and got killed.
Gorilla suspected Reck and got roleblocked.

PGO claim is false. Let me look at VCAs to see if Reck-scum is possible.

[Slaxx]

Alright, then we lynch Reck scum. Makes it mylo tomorrow, right? 7, one kill=6?

We no lynch tomorrow, gives us 5 and lylo. If Mastin isnt dead by then you lynch the ever living fuck out of him.

unvote, vote reckamonic

[Slaxx]

No, I looked back at Recks Iso. He is last scum. Like 100%. Nachomamma ignored Rayfrost the entire game and T-bone soft-defended him like crazy. Neither had any contact. This is 100%. Fucking SHEEP THE PELICAN, conspiracy is town ugh

[Slaxx]

I am still intent on Zepher+Mastin being wolves. This will prove itself in due time if we lynch Reck today. Pretty much anyone besides the three people this is going to incriminate (Reck, Zepher, Mastin) should be for this lynch. If mastin doesnt hop on this now he is going to look bad, so he probably should get in here and do that. Counting on supertownies powerox and Conspiracy to help me out here.

[Slaxx]

Tbh, PGO is the perfect scum claim in this game. You claim it so scum dont kill you because they are scared shitless and so PRs stay the fuck away from you. The correct play is to simply play as townie as possible with PGO, so you can soak up nightkills.

[Slaxx]

Scum: Reck
Werewolves: Mastin+Zepher
Town: Conspiracy, Powerrox, Chronopie (?), Singer (?)

Ive nailed this game for christ sake just sheep the pelican and it will all be okay. Reck scum is obvious looking back at T-bones ISO, look how much he defend RayFrost. The only time he confronts him is asking for a big post Ray never did, which is obvious distancing. NAcho only mentions Ray four times. Reck calls one of them obvtown (cant remember which one off the top of my head). Reckamonic is the mafia roleblocker. Its just that simple.

Please switch.

And yeah, true. But its better than playing scummy and drawing NO night kills and investigative roles.

[Slaxx]

Cop+Seer+Voyuer+Jailkeeper+Neighbor+Neighbor+12 vanilla townies.

Goon/Tracker/Roleblocker
Wolf/Watcher/Assuming Rolecop

Its a good setup. Very nicely done DH. Its the classic 25% town PR, 25% scum, 50% Vt.

[Slaxx]

Hint: Both our PR claims cant exist in harmony, and PGO is pretty swingy with All the PRs that hostile factions have.

Doc isnt likely because if the team without a roleblocker get into a investigative+doc scenario the tables turn against them a lot.

I have cracked the game open and everyone around me is too dense to care.

[Slaxx]

-I am the swing vote here
-I demand we lynch Reck or Mastin
-Do it

[Slaxx]

Thur we go!

[Slaxx]

Singer why DONT you think Reck is scum? If you need a case I could make one. It will be short and sweet /glares at mastin.

[Slaxx]

Alright I give up. See you guys at deadline.

[Slaxx]

BECUASE HE IS TOWN

I have made a really short case on reck. What have you done for the conspiracy lynch? Nothing...

Reck is pretty obviously scum once you look at the setup. Also, i thought of something.

If BP SK visited PGO, who would die?

PGO is perfect scum claim in this setup as I said.
Nacho and Tbone interactions are damning
Also, if I recall correctly, Reckamonic as focused exclusively on wolves (this part could be a bit wrong because I have read three other games since then)

[Slaxx]

Vote Reck if you think he is scum Zepher.

Also, think about it this way Zepher (this is super wifom but idc):

Setup wise, I would be town, because giving one scum access to a townie's thought process but not the other would shit the balance of the setup. Plus, I am like the only one here actually differentiating between mafia and wolves. I swear I am the only one who wants to lynch both, christ.

[Slaxx]

FINE I WILL REREAD

BUT RECK WORKS SO WELL WITH MAFIA ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY

AND IM NOT LOOKING FOR WOLVES BECAUSE I ALREADY FOUND BOTH OF THEM

[Slaxx]

Oh yeah...I forgot about the jailkeeper... >_>

BALLSACKS.

This is why mastin and Zepher are wolves.

[Slaxx]

Sorry DH <_<;
ConSpiracy is an awful lynch today.
mastin has shown freaking crystal clear anti-town behaviour
also wagon on V/LA person etc.

[Slaxx]

Tell me, singer, what's the benefit to not lynch mastin right now?

Tell me, singer, what's the benefit to not lynch mastin right now?

Tell me, singer, what's the benefit to not lynch mastin right now?

Tell me, singer, what's the benefit to not lynch mastin right now?

Spam.

[Slaxx]

Oh, then I claim super-doc.

I protect everyone always and I can't die because I'm a pelican and am endangered.

See how well that strategy works?

[Slaxx]

Im not trying to be funny. I am making a perfectly legitimate point here. What if I switched my claim to something different right now that was more powerful and made you more scared to lynch me?

[Slaxx]

So mastin has never tried something like this as scum?

[Slaxx]

... /facepalm

Mastin puts in this much work as town

So if Mastin didnt do it as scum, he would be a super easy read. Is he a super easy read? Am I missing something here?

[Slaxx]

I don't think mastin would have put in the work he has as scum. He would have fobbed us off with some excuse and/or self-hammered.

Therefore: Mastin is town.

I think mastin would do this much work regardless of alignment because of his personality

@singer: Would a townie really scream "I'm town and not scum" in every other sentence?

Hint: neither of them are going to reason.

[Slaxx]

The point is this: Mastin is scummy. I don't care what he claimed. He claimed cop yesterday, doc today. My point still stands. Who the FUCK would assume there was no cop in this setup? Mastin is more competent than that.

[Slaxx]

Also, here is food for thought:

Instead of CCing Gorilla because he thought there was no cop, why not just...idk...bring that SHIT UP? Why CC, as the fucking doc no less? So even if he overlooked that (hint: he didn't) why not just say there is no cop?

[Slaxx]

I cannot believe we wagoned someone who was V/LA

[Slaxx]

What is this the fucking twilight zone?

His vote is GOOD. It's on someone who LIED about their ROLE.

[Slaxx]

Singer fell pray to the retarded AtE wall.
Zepher used it as an excuse not to bus werewolf buddy.
Reckamonic is on the right track but mafia.

[Slaxx]

Wtf? You can't call me scum buddies with Mastin then turn around and then use a completely legitimate qualm about voting to calm me scum buddies with somebody else.

Scum points.

I was still calling you scumbuddies with Mastin.

All I see here is flailing Wolf and OMGUS. Also, Mastin hasn't posted in a few days, so we can wagon him, right guys? Seems like its this town's cup of tea.

[Slaxx]

Vote mastin

Looks like we have come to some sort of impasse.

[Slaxx]

[Slaxx]

Then convince the rest of this mindless mob to vote Reck, otherwise the vote stays.

Also, you CCed a role thats dead: speed of the bandwagon

does not

apply here.

[Slaxx]

I negotiate with terrorists

[Slaxx]

You're mafia rolecop aren't you.

[Slaxx]

Wait no lol nvm roleblocker is in mafia side because wolf missed kill.

[Slaxx]

Well I was having doubts near the end which I why I switched to reck. But no probably not. It's the fact that I felt it was extremely obvious cop was in the setup to me. Sorry mastin.

[Slaxx]

Haha just setup wise it made since. With a known mafia tracker/goon and werewolf watcher/wolf it was highly likely it was balanced.

[Slaxx]

Haha. Happens. Well sorry I wa a smart ass and tunneled but I was extremely confident of my read on you.

[Slaxx]

Demon I love you

Wolves well played, I had Chrono+Reck as scum after I died I think. When Reck I saw was Vengeful...idk, would have been a tough call, I love you both for killing me.

[Slaxx]

I did not read the entire 100 pages btw

Just couldn't do it

Anyway DH thanks for modding, it was fun, your flavor was good, your modding was good, the modkill decisions were good.

Deadlines could have been a bit shorter around the end.

Also, I want to make sure Mastin knows I don't really loathe him, he is a nice guy. Our playstyles just clash a bit I think.

[Slaxx]

I'm using it in Upick

Anyway, thanks again DH, you kept good flavor and good modding (especially prods) up despite this game dragging on forever.

Kudos to Ray for the awesome claim, too bad it made me tunnel you, because it really was good.
Also grats to Singer for calling the bluff but not flipping out and just assuming Reck was scum like I did.

I am sure more kudos go to people for the first 100 pages but uh, yeah. No thanks.

[Slaxx]

Yeah, I realized that while I was at Barnes and Noble one day. It was seriously a huge epiphany for me. That is why I asked you if you were mafia before the lynch xD

How random I am >.<

[Slaxx]

If you had claimed scum, I would have lynched reck tbh. But I think if singer+reck had outted their encounter before now, I might have figured out Chrono, probably not Power though. I had Power/Consp as obvtown I think.

[Slaxx]

If mastin claimed mafia (not werewolf) I probably would have believed him, it would have just accelerated my epiphany a bit I think.