NY135: Sexy Sedilla Semi-Open - Town Wins
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Top Secret Replacement Reads:
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MrZepher: This is THE best possible lynch today. How does anyone read him as town?
Others include possibly SpyreX saporo.
I think this game becomes a lot easier once we lynch Mr.Zepher.
I think the cases on chair and kanye and god knows who else are not that strong at all, I'm not really feeling anti town sentiment from either.-
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That post was left unfinished. Anyways, continuing,
Empking was going to be lynched, and I'm not entirely sure where you are getting the thoery that multiple scum had to be on the wagon, when just as easily you could have said multiple scum are probably OFF the wagon and going from there.
To me it reads as arbitarly assigning a scum tell to something that is at best null, and then deciding somethinghasto be done because of that tell.
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I mean, if you were scum, you sure as hell would know the thought process you're running through right now, and would try as hard as possible to stay off the wagon and then push the fact scum were probably on the wagon, no?-
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{Kayne, Yos2, KoC/Ludi} contains 1 scum. (80% sure of that, now. 19% being 2 scum. A gratuitous 1% for all-town, which quite frankly I find pretty much impossible.)
No, all these people are probably town. I asked kayne a question about your alignment not even checking the vote-count, he answered that you were probably town, despite the fact you were voting him. Thats a town mindset.
Yosarian is town as well, as am I.
Seriously, I don't understand the pro-town intent behind making so many conditional If X than Y or one of A B or C is Scum so that means this to E D etc. Either someone is scum, or not. Chair is probably not. If you're going to vote one of them, vote saporo. (But you're not voting her. You should be )
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To Mr Zepher,
To convince town you're scum, here is my 'case' as some call it.
Love,
Ludi
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Swag wrote:Para, you've made a lot of unbiased posts, and not very smart moves. You're trying to cover yourself up too hard. Obvious scum is obvious. VOTE: Parabollocks
This was Swag, looking like a scum trying to hop onto the crappy and easy lynch of parabollocks.
Hiraki and KKC are okay [vigging targets]
Vote: Untrod Tripod
Dramonic - Null leaning scum
You want two town vigged here (assuming KKC is Knight of Cydnoia). While this doesn't immediatly make you scum, not finding or voting scum for extended periods of time makes me think YOU are scum looking to gun down poor innocent townies. And you seem to be all over the townies this game! You can't really argue this, its an outside irrefutable observation!
I find Yos' slip damning, and Idher's potential chainsaw damning.
This is crap, since both are probably town.
I'm almost too lazy to look for questions directed at me.
Laziness is more likely to come from scum than town in my experience.
NOT BEFORE I GET MY WALL UP. FOOL.
Usually people who want to stall to get a nice 'awesome' wall up are scum. They want to hide any sembalance of scumhunting in a mountain of text.
ISO 16 wrote:Townier than null: KoC,
ISO 20 21 22 wrote:tl;dr Ludi is scum.
Hmmm, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I think you're scum for this flipflop.-
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So you think it would be a town move to hammer the player who has posted once since I replaced in and last posted on monday with one vote on her, despite the fact I have espressed much greater suspicion on MrZepher and the saporo wagon exploded to L-1 in a day or so?
These aggressive mind games you play are too much for me.-
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No, it wasn't. There was nothing about it that was more likely to come from scum than town. In fact, the reasons were pretty clear, I think you just disagree with them (why?)
I believe zepher is scum, for the reasons I present. You can't have it both way, if I hadn't given you clear reasons, you probably would think I was scum for voting based on 'gut'.
Seriously, go reread him, and tell me where you get any sort of town feeling or good posting.-
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Well, Its useful to try and bounce reads off of somebody in order to
a. determine their alignment
b. figure out things from another point of view so I don't get stuck tunneling.
And though you think you may have been clear, I was asking to determine what you thought right now about those players.
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a. Where is Amrun?
b. How many scum do you expect on a day one lynch in general in a large normal game?-
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Oh ok, Amrun doesn't at all need to post here (can't believe I forgot that)
Idher, the only reason I bring that up is because you've called the entire day one wagon on untrod town except for one person (Knight of Cydonia), and I know for a fact that that person is town as well. Its not a theory debate at all.
I'll be more eloquent in the morning, but suffice to say I'm not wholy behind your own towniness anymore, and thus not behind you and mrzepher and your wagon.
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"There is no way anyone besides Sapo or Chair is going to get lynched."
Kunkstar, why do you think this?-
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Jesus, what is it with people tell me what I'm thinking. I haven't been willing to vote saporo for several posts/days now, and I'm not particularly happy one way or the either with chair either.
FOS Mastin
I don't like you saying Saporo was scum and voteable, than slowly backing off that read based on two connections with people (50% of which is confirmed town to me, null on the other) saying both are scum as well, forming a sort of weird bermuda triangle of scum interactions which make no sense, then saying Lamda is town.
Also, I don't like the rest of your play.-
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You are a Mafia #-shot Bookie!
Your teammates are (PLAYERNAMES). Each night, you may select a player. If that player is lynched the next day, you may perform an extra kill in addition to your factional the following night. During the day, you have your voice and your vote only. You win when mafia is equal in number to town, or nothing can prevent the same.
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Can the bookie double bookie someone on one particular day? Was this asked?-
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Chair, I say one of mastin and Chair (you) are probably scum based on this votecount, which I'm usually a fan of to help supplement my read of scum on one player. This was the untrod lynch:
Chair, mastin2,T-Bone, Ethos, Hiraki,Knight of Cydonia, MrZepher,Yosarian2,kunkstar7
I put Yosarian in darker green because I have a town read on him, and myself in darker green because I know I am town but I haven't flipped yet.
Regardless, as it stands NO scum have flipped from this wagon, and two unconfirmed scummy people are sitting at places 1 and 2 on the wagon, and MrZepher is sitting at late spot number 7. Thats why I said one of chair or mastin is probably scum.-
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You did.
Yeah, I realize i'm tunneling a little bit (perhaps more than a little), but thats basically because I think you're scum, and I'm hoping to lynch you. I do worry about tunneling away my time on a towney, but I don't think that is the case here.
I do have reasons (which you disagree with, meh) why I think you are scum.-
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Yeah, I would prefer not a deadline lynch, if people made up their mind about zepher I would be happy, we have cookies on this wagon trail!
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Ludi's attempt to prove me scum, has actually only managed to convince me that he's scum, because both he and Chair were on UT's mislynch.
Also, I won't stop pushing Chair/Ludi. Settling for a tertiary suspect-->bad.
Yargghhh bad logic ahead, settling for a lynch of someone you read as scum is good, yarrrr, mastin says lynching someone he think is scum is bad,..... yargh?
Mastin thought both L-1 wagons were on scum, yarrrr, when has this ever happened,.... yarrrrrr. Pirate logic ahead.-
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That is so anti-town its not funny. There is no need to rush, hahaha. The reasons I want a MC today the day before lynch or lose is the reason every town player wants one, to lock scum into their claims.
And yes, the person suggesting it is in fact waiting for feedback.
If a cop shows up with a guilty on scum, we put off the massclaim until tomorrow. There are several reasons to wait until everyone confirms about massclaim, all of them very town.
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But vote me if you just can't help yourself. Lose control mastin, its already slipping apart. Pound for pound, extracting you flesh is going to be the sweetest treat of all.-
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Mastin, vote me if you dare you pirate-logic knave. I have no time to read your useless posts with insane logic (that is very anti-town to boot), much as you tried to stonewall away beautiful innocent town chair's case on you with the fact that he was 'confirmed scum'. Yeah, everyone else, how did that work out for mastin?
(I'm not seeing idher as obvobvtown at all)
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Ahhh, its good to have some town in this thread. Hello kanye! I like your thinking, I agree with most of what you said in that post. The untrod and yosarian wagons are very interesting.-
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Mastin, let me put it simply.
LUDI HAS NO TOWN MOTIVE TO NOT CLAIM IMMEDIATELY. LUDI HAS PLENTY TO GAIN FROM WAITING AS SCUM, BUT NOTHING TO GAIN AS TOWN!
This is wrong. I propose a massclaim, and it is more than resonable to wait until everyone has at least checked into thread before we (or myself, it hardly matters) start a massclaim, because there are several possible situations in most games (in this one, there is the obvious cop with a guilty), that make massclaiming today a dumb idea. Having half the town claim, claim a few power-roles, and then someone show up and say "guilty, why didn't you guys wait for me?", is just fail-town practices.
For one thing, it makes it a lot more likely that that the mafia will get a successful bookie shot off, because they know their lynch pool is reduced by one or two (the power-roles), and a successful bookie shot at this stage in the gameloses the game for town, which cannot be stated enough.
Mastin wrote:Ludi is calling my posts useless, insane, and anti-town. This is a scumslip, because Ludi is NOT calling them scummy. Ludi's instead basically pushing a policy lynch of me.
I'm not sure how this is a 'scumslip' at all, and completly grasping at straws. Just because I didn't use your word-de-juer, doesn't mean at all I haven't displayed clear intent that you are scum. Anti-town means scummy for 99.99% of the players on this website. You are scum.
Mastin wrote:Lynch Either me, or Ludi today, and if they flip town, the other one tomorrow,
Why hello there gambit that loses the game. I see no pro-town reason for suggesting such a plan, because it is bad on so many levels. The only way this doesn't work is if you are scum.
mastin wrote:Unvote, Vote: mastin2.
I guess you are admitting it? Go back to voting yourself if you are serious with your gambit.
Also:We're Massclaiming, but the lynch today is either Ludi or myself. And if the one lynched flips town, lynch the other. Accept no others. No compromises, no alternatives, no backing out at the last moment for some trivial reason.
I'm going to stop basically answering Mastin's posts because
a. they are literally so insane every post is trying to doom the town.
b. I am going insane reading them
c. I am starting to hate mastin completely.
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Idher is scum because, from her last post:
Idher wrote:-Magister Ludi. I honestly have a hard time conceiving a possibility of Ludi-town. KoC was flailscum as fuck and Ludi has not improved the slot at all
Whats with all the conditionals and weasel words. What do you have to be honest about suddebly, and why do you have a hard time conceiving that I am town. What specifically? How was KoC 'flaillscum as fuck', which is some inane buzz words, and where is MAstin in your post?
You do realize the biggest scum gambit I have ever seen was just thrown down and you complelty omit ANY MENTION of him in your next post?
Idher wrote:-LLD. I was totally convinced that saporovirus was scum. LLD's initial replacement made me doubt a little, but her actions today - that 100% TERRIBLE Oversoul vote -- threw that out the window.
um, no. LLD is almost certainly town at this point. The fact her wagon disintergrated so quickly at end of day probably means that she is town, as she was at L-1 for the longest time and has had only one vote today, no one was genuinely convinced enough that she was scum. They were voting her for a mislynch.
Oversoul wrote:Because of my interactions with Ythan and his arguments between Ethos and Yosarian. That is why I feel Ludi is more scummy than Mastin.
What is this post even saying?
What are you reads on the following player, by the way
a. Idher
b. kunkstar
MrZepher wrote:As much as I'd like to vote ML, the threat of a bookie shot combined with Mastin's famous gambits are making me reconsider.
Then do it. Do it now. This is so wishy-washy its not even funny. I don't mind the entire scum team trying to get my lynch and failing. What is making you reconsider?So you think mastin is gambiting on town (me) as scum (him), but you'd STILL LIKE TO VOTE TOWN (me) anyways?-
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Continuing.
In any case, Mastin's move on Ludi is blown wayyy out of proportion. Why the hell would you just claim straight away without getting any input on the MC from the town? Ludi's comments there seem in line. LLD needs to go now. Vote: LLD. The fact that she got to L-1 yesterday and the wagon died in favor of the Chair wagon only fits further with the previous Empking interactions which made her slot obvscum to begin with.
This is why kunkstar is probably town. As scum, he could easily jump on whatever wagon he felt like, and ride it hard. As town, he is disinterested with the crazyness and goes after who he views as scum.
KKB wrote:basically heres how i feel: ludi immediately went into dodge status as soon as mastin dropped that bomb. hes posted several times in other threads without a peep in here.
I had three posts since mastin, and I'm not going to drop useless one liners when the game is on the line and I am trying hard to figure out who is scum or not. And those three posts were very short, anyways.
KKB wrote:im still going to wait and see what he eventually comes to us with, but im going to be a lot less receptive than if he had responded promptly, even if it was a bare acknowledgment of the gambit mastin proposed.
Yo, I have a life here. Sorry I'm not grinding out my exsistence at a computer screen. Mastin's gambit loses the game for town, guaranteed, if it lynches me.
SpyreX wrote:I'm FAR more receptive to idher being town with chair flipping town.
Why exactly? Is there something on the earlier pages that makes this interaction more certain?
KKB wrote:something of interest to note: if you are town and ludi is town, there is literally zero reason for scum to have not jumped on this gambit. they could probably push ludi to an easy lynch today and quicklynch you tomorrow. im quickly starting to buy the idea that the two of you are opposite alignments.
Which is why mastin has one vote and I have three. There was a attempt. I'm pretty hard to mislynch as town barring rediculous circumstances (dynasty warriors, defcon mainting special mechanics). Also, don't build up to a point with several posts and strange logic words, clearly state where you are.
You posted those wagon anylasis three pages ago showing mastin on every town wagon. Did that influence you? Do you still think mastin might be scum?
Anyways,
Vote: Mastin2
Self vote again mastin.
Claim: Vanilla Town
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Idher wrote: You're flailing SO hard right now.
No, i'm not. I think you are voting me for completely made up reasons. You are not clear at all. I would like you to bullet point, or number, in a single post, the reasons you think I am scum and the actions you think I have taken that are more likely to come from scum than town. I haven't seen anything from you, and I want it.-
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I gave you my reasons in post 1119 (isolation 14). Now, you disagree with them (obviously, you're not going to claim scum as scum or town), and have since decided I have been strawmanning you all over the place (where), but I did lay out why I thought you were scum, as did Yosarian2, who is now dead. .-
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Yosarian2(8): Lady Lambdadelta,mastin2,,Untrod Tripod, SpyreX,Chair,Empking, MrZepherHiraki
Untrod Tripod(9):,Chairmastin2,,T-Bone,Ethos, Magister Ludi, MrZepher,Hiraki, kunkstar7Yosarian2
Empking(8): SpyreX, Magister Ludi,, kanyeknowsbest,T-Bone, Oversoul, Lady Lambdadelta,Yosarian2EmpkingNo mastin
Chair(6): SpyreX, kanyeknowsbest,mastin2,, kunkstar7, LLDYosarian2
Lady Lambdadelta (5): kunkstar7, Îdher, MrZepher,, OversoulChair
Other wagons of note
(5): kanyeknowsbest,Ethos,Untrod Tripod, SpyreX,HirakiMastin2
Empking (5): Îdher,, kunkstar7, Lady Lambdadelta,EthosYosarian2No mastin
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Mastin has been on basically every important town wagon at arguably the scummiest spots. How does this extra evidence scream town?-
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This is the ultimate scum-slip. Why? Because my plan of "Lynch Ludi/Mastin, lynch the other if the first flips town" only loses the game if we're BOTH town. So, in other words, the gambit will not lose us the game if one of us is scum.
BZZZZZT WRONG. If you lynch me today, the bookie will hit you tomorrow, because I am town, and EVEN IF YOU ARE SCUM, the town loses, because the mafia will get two nightkill shots from lylo. I can't believe you didn't realize this. I think you did realize this, and simply don't care, because you are scum.
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Anyways, I'll make it simple. Why are you not self voting again if you are so sure I am scum and want to prove it 100%?
Also, can you point me to any flipped player whose alignment you have correctly called, and any town wagon you were not on?-
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Well, i'm not going to convince you that you are scum and that your plan is totally wrong and illogical, and you are basically contradicting yourself at every town and discounting high percentage possibilities of scum winning. If you get another vote, I expect you to self vote again.
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Does anyone else need convincing that mastin is scum? I think its pretty obvious, I'm not seeing the ythan town read, and I definently don't read mastin as town, before I started and especially after this conversation. I'd be happy lynching either, or Idher, or Zepher.
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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No, it isn't at all. I never said either of those.
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No, i'm not. I think you are voting me for completely made up reasons. You are not clear at all. I would like you to bullet point, or number, in a single post, the reasons you think I am scum and the actions you think I have taken that are more likely to come from scum than town. I haven't seen anything from you, and I want it.-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3258
- Joined: April 7, 2011
- Location: San Francisco