New York 152 Niiightless Game Over!

[Hiraki]

I feel like redff wants to die.

He always does.

Bro

He's actually liek

Trying and stuff

Pretty sure everyone expected him to try. That wasn't Pine's point.

I don't really care what he does.

1.good dodge, not good enough

I'm voting him if there's nothing good on Page 2.

I'm well aware that I'm not likely to succeed in this, but I feel it is ethically appropriate to register my objection.

No offense, but this is kind of as bad as troll-Crypto. It's just personal now.

Just play the game. You could've backed out like I did.

1. What exactly am I supposed to be dodging, your insane page 1 scumhunting?

Wtf? This was an obvious attack on him.

It shows you feel threatened by an pinch of pressure.

Not much, trying to avoid actually reading this shit because you guys are already pulling out bullets, that's never a good sign.

Explain this.

I'm confused. Even if it is a joke.

Lynching Vifam quickly gets me a few things. It gets rid of Vifam, there's a chance to hit scum, and it gets juicy reactions from people like you.

1. No shit sherlock.
2. Well when you do a policy lynch against someone who has friends in the thread, I wonder if they're going to object to it.

Hmm.

Say, anywho. Vifam, what was the last game we were in together? If you don't remember off-hand that's fine.

shit sorry guys I'll start quoting when I reply I forgot it sort of makes it hard to follow.

Just to note, this is actually better than quoting. Just if you do it with multiple people, make the necessary adjustments. Or quote. Your choice.

Unvote, Vote: RedFF

[Hiraki]

That game was a joke.

holy shit

you were in it

mindblown

Actually, I liked Coventry.

Had potential if she'd stop being so sincere.

[Hiraki]

That game was a joke.

Had potential if she'd stop being so sincere.

Wow, I just found Kyle's MS account.

Is that Trekker?

[Hiraki]

anyways kids a genuine troll

[Hiraki]

It's like you read my post and went "oh, he said that the reasons write themselves. Time to capitalize!" and just stopped reading the post

This is the worst blatant misrep I've seen in a long while

Um.

It could be a mistake.

I find the vote very hostile, to be quite honest.

sup.
VOTE: noraaa
seems like she has the urge to post for the sake of posting.

And this is scummy...because?

[Hiraki]

BK, if scum, deserves a vig shot.

Can't really read him well.

[Hiraki]

no

[Hiraki]

i just didn't feel like explaining something that prolly most people wouldnt agree with

i'm not just arbitrarily picking reasons to not like people

UNVOTE: redFF
VOTE: inte

Do better.

Matias, why?

huh why are people so flingy with their votes

anyways kids a genuine troll, at least from what i remember

[Hiraki]

I'd like to know where the proof that i'm too smart to do anything is.

You misread, completely.

[Hiraki]

Vifam is town for starting redFF though.

Well, then again.

Eh. Yeah, he's town.

You wouldn't consider that a slip, Pine? I'm borderline thinking about switching at the moment, actually.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP:

This is what dissuading me.

2 mb53 (BK201, redFF)

[Hiraki]

Forgot why I was voting RedFF. Will re-read soon.

[Hiraki]

What is causing you to hesitate?

His case was fairly simplistic.

[Hiraki]

No chance on my support on BBmolla.

Might change it if I've said something different, but that's what I remember at the moment.

[Hiraki]

NS contribute more than sparring jabs plz

He doesn't do more

and self-hammers as scum

not much to know more about

[Hiraki]

oh my god please put all your thoughts into one post.

and have decent thoughts

because if you're calling anyone but inte the idiot

you might be worse

[Hiraki]

See this?

3 redFF (Hiraki, Mogri, BBmolla)

That's where my vote is.

Sheep it.

3 Mogri (Major Minor, mb53, crypto)
3 Nobody Special (noraaa, inte, UberNinja)

These two are bad.

The only thing good about NS is that we can basically confirm is alignment by using his whole scumhammertell

Not up for that, really.

[Hiraki]

I just don't like Vifam. It's a policy lynch. I'm here to bust this game wide open, reactions like BBmolla's are exactly what I'm looking for.

See this?

Where's Red's vote now?

1 mb53 (redFF)

Oh, right.

On the same player.

You're dumb as fuck, why should I sheep you.

God, why must you be so caustic? Such an ass?

Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.

batman himself said it, yes it is true

[Hiraki]

You could've just sheeped my case Mogri.

It's really fine.

[Hiraki]

NS doesn't self hammer any more.

Gives me more reason to want you dead

especially that vote change now

Fuck yeah that's what I am. And don't you whiny little bitches forget it.

Hey, you can edit quotes to put the cool images out of them that totally describe you in every way, fashion and shape.

[Hiraki]

It kind of is that 5 second flick where I give you stuff and you accept it.

Your turn.

UberNinja. Please stop editing my quotes. Your 12 year old humor isn't making anyone laugh.

[Hiraki]

herp derp

it's about the policy lynch on Vifam

who frankly isn't here anymore

why would I rehash a case that doesn't really work?

[Hiraki]

Blondie reminds me of myself in my first game. Hiraki, do you see it? It's painful. Blondie, keep playing. Just keep playing. (I'm only in my fourth one myself.)

I'll admit it.

I've been putting a very lazy eye on him just because his posts are longer and unfathomable, from what I've seen so far.

[Hiraki]

I'm not trying to give him a hard time.

You don't find anything bad with Uber?

disappointment

[Hiraki]

Nope.

Aww.

You like him or something then.

Yuck.

[Hiraki]

You gotta stop role-playing an edgy badass on the Internet.

It's fun.

[Hiraki]

RedFF

leaning toward noraaa

But I don't have a good definite read on a second.

[Hiraki]

Sorry, didn't read after D2 flip.

[Hiraki]

As much as I'm still

very

on the line about NS.

Vote: Inte

[Hiraki]

This post cares too much what others think.

Okay.

[Hiraki]

zzzyisntinteded?

[Hiraki]

2. No one has been able to clearly articulate an argument for my lynch.

Unvote, Vote: Mogri

Sorry for the delay guys.

There's more than enough to comment on, Mogri.

And two of those reasons are shit by themselves.

[Hiraki]

Says the guy who's voting obvious town NS.

[Hiraki]

obvious town NS.

i just fucking choked on my coffee

you're hilarious

Humor me.

Why is NS scum?

[Hiraki]

@Hiraki: NS is unreadable to me and I don't want that

Exactly the point.

You lynch scum.

Not unreadable people.

[Hiraki]

Kassadin?

[Hiraki]

Alarm bells ringing.

Hiraki, wtf.

Good spotting. Forgot to talk about this.

So, some questions because I'm lazy:

Why is inte STILL totally voteless??

Has there been discussion about whether the lynch was quick enough that it caught (both?) mafia offguard, thus, no NK?

Has peta been as scummy as BBmolla was?

Who should I vote?

This was the main reason for concern, like everyone else noted.

However,

noraaaaaaaaaaa, i KNOW the game is nightless. Please to actually READ my question, then answer appropriately. Thanks!

This is like uber NS town meta.

As scum, he lurks more than this and from what I've seen rarely pushes on a question. There's a decently well chance of NStown here.

[Hiraki]

As town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go (148 is a good example of what just happened)

As scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go (Yes, he does pressure, but not to an extent as seen here.

As scum, he posts more filler than anything. I don't really see that here. And by filler I mean useless and offtopic, not just useless.

Crypto: Why are you voting NS?

[Hiraki]

[quote="TeCHNoWC"}Those who are on the Hiraki wagon, I would assume would agree that NS is scum (if Hiraki is scum because of what he said, he was likely covering for NS).[/quote]This is false, and you should realize this.

[Hiraki]

Love the Admiral Ackbar reference, though doesn't Lando say it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddAi8FF3F4

Lrn2meme

I never made an absolute nor assumed that either was scum.

Now, I'm getting wary. You didn't make an absolute, but you were appealing to everyone on my wagon to get the fuck off and go to NS, because he needs to die first.

This looks pretty bad for me, and I don't like it.

Hiraki's response has since made me realise that there are two varying characteristics of play between town NS and scum NS, but I think Hiraki has overlooked some of the behaviours that NS has displayed in this game, that he also displayed in scum.

Maybe, but I'm going to say that he's town for now. If you're going to call me scummy for that

well

come at me bitches

[Hiraki]

Well, I didn't see any self-votes

nor did I see any pleas/begs/bargins

nope

he's not begging

wow no more posts for you

He said Lando for Admiral Ackbar

The fucking alien only has 5 lines in the movie

and he messes up one?

fuck him

george lucas' normal babies are precious

can't fuck up stuff like that

it's like saying that the death star was built on endor

FALSE

it was built on a MOON OF ENDOR

[Hiraki]

Does anyone have proof that NS acts this sarcastic as scum? I've heard reports that he acts the same as either scum or town, but I'd rather see meta examples.

Get better sources

NS definitely has meta.

[Hiraki]

"My sources" tell me that NS acts scummy as either town or scum.

Okay. Thanks for sharing.

[Hiraki]

wow, techno just started posting a lot as soon as somebody voted him.

this needs exploring.

UBER JOINED THE WEEK AGO AND HAS 88 POSTS

ARE YOU FUCKING READING?!?

[Hiraki]

Pine.

This isn't scum.

seriously hiraki did you even fucking read his posts? ...have you been reading them?
because if you haven't, your charge to me to "read the fucking game" rings a little bit hypocritical

Considering that all your translations were shit

no.

The only one that legitimately makes sense is number one.

And he's not scummy for that because he's right.

[Hiraki]

@hiraki post 949 ummmm yeah that's a weird post.

Why?

[Hiraki]

though Diablo III is about to consume a portion of that.

[Hiraki]

(Kairyuu, UberNinja, Pine, Nobody Special, Mogri, noraaa, TeChNoWC, Psyche)

Let's examine.

Starting to get horrible feelings from Psyche.

Noraaaa is null.

Mogri is scum.

Vote: Mogri

NS is town.

Pine is town.

Uber is town.

And Kariyuu is town.

We're done here. One of my town reads is probably wrong--but we can deal with that later.

[Hiraki]

Obvious town player gets attacked. Obvious town player posts walls of text containing an abundance of evidence that he is town. Obvious town player gets lynched for it.

but no crypto!!!!

didn't you read and interpret his walls!!!!

they were disgusting!!!!!

i can't believe it took him that long to be lynched!!!!

[Hiraki]

He's prob. not though.

Matias: Reads.

[Hiraki]

You don't get it. It doesn't make sense because ... dun dun dun...

scum defend town all the time. For brownie points. So, you fail.

I don't no how much longer I can read this.

Your excuses are so stupid.

Sometimes, as town, (take note this is a masta hiraki tool) you have to realize that you were wrong

get over it

and move on

UBER

HERE'S YOUR CHANCE

CLEAR ALL YOUR READS

AND TRY AGAIN

I HAVE NO FAITH IN YOU

JUST TO NOTE

[Hiraki]

hello, everyone please vote either mogri or nobody special; we are lynching them today and tomorrow.

Lining up lynches is scummy, just so you know.

Not in this sense.

It's bad when you say "X today, Y tomorrow"

Crypto doesn't care which one dies which day.

[Hiraki]

hello, everyone please vote either mogri or nobody special; we are lynching them today and tomorrow.

Lining up lynches is scummy, just so you know.

Not in this sense.

It's bad when you say "X today, Y tomorrow"

Crypto doesn't care which one dies which day.

No, it's scummy either way.

Seriously what planet are you from.

Explain how.

I dare you.

That's honestly stating that he has two scumreads and would like both dead.

[Hiraki]

stop talking to me

you're literally hurting my brain

Okay.

Explain the scumtell. Right fucking now.

[Hiraki]

1. It doesn't take into account what either of them will flip. If one of them flips scum, it may prove the other is town, or vice versa.

Wow! Reads change?

That's impossible. You've basically just said that if I say "I want to lynch x and y" I can never say "I don't want to lynch x/y anymore" in the future.

That's fucking stupid.

2. It backhandedly encourages people to subconsciously connect both players together, whether or not they are aligned with each other.

Ah. The subconscious. This is just false. There's no way to argue with this. You're basically saying that one player's opinion will drastically affect the rest of the player's opinions because they stated it. While this is true in some cases, it's not in this one.

3. It allows lurking scum to "hide behind" both of the named players, and directs too much discussion to the pair, and away from others.

Which means that they targeted bad town or scumbuds. Besides, this is the same thing if you want to lynch one player. You focus just about everything on them while others address you on them. See, this whole lynch thing is a cycle. In order for the cycle to contain a continuous circular motion, it needs two things. A, the basis of the case. B, the questioning of the basis. If there's only A, there's probably something wrong. In addition, you can't have B without A. Basically, you're trying to say that NS is scum here, I get it.

Don't really care.

1. FoSing two players is just about the equivalent of lynching them.

If you have a town read on just about everyone else in the game and you want one dead and you FoS another(and you're town to note--so no chainsaw), if you lynch your wanted lynch there's a pretty damn good chance you'll want your FoS dead, especially if your lynch target flips scum.

Ergo, yes reads can change but stating something at that point isn't harmful.

2. There's no point in not wanting more than one person dead during a game.

If you can go through the entirety of your games and say that you've only wanted one person dead every game at every moment, then you should meet my friend Parama. You guys would play very nice. By saying "hey I want X and Y dead", you're just asserting your opinion.

There's not much to prove here. If I want X and Y dead, I'll say it. To make it worse, there's more scum incentive to say "I want X dead." X dies, he's townie. Scum then says "I want Y dead." psst Y is townie too. If scum says "I want X and Y dead" there's more chance to say "no, X was town. your reads suk" rather than to not know them.

Basically, the whole jist of this, is that you're calling someone saying "lynching two people" in a game bad, where there's been multiple people, like myself, who have called two people scum.

hmm.

wonder if I want to lynch scum...

[Hiraki]

wow hiraki i can't believe you let him do that to you

I find pleasure in cleansing, crypto.

[Hiraki]

you're not allowed to champion d2 lynches on obvious town players and then unleash whirlwinds of snark.

UberNinja, crypto

hmmm

[Hiraki]

Who did you replace?

[Hiraki]

Hey guys.

Sorry about that, should've probably announced V/LA from yesterday to today, but I was really busy.

[Hiraki]

Vote: Psyche

I give up on inte.

That's fake.

[Hiraki]

As in, the read is non-existant anymore.

I just feel like since my experiences with him and his play in this game point toward town, rather than scum.

In addition, that Mogri flip helped.

And your contributions to this game push my scumread on you farther than inte

[Hiraki]

THIS BANDWAGON

JUST LOST ALL OF ITS BREAKS

WHOOOOOOOO

GOOOOOOOOOOO

[Hiraki]

Why? What changed?

not sure if trying to be funny

[Hiraki]

Vote: Psyche

I give up on inte.

That's fake.

[Hiraki]

Crypto isn't scum though

I'm like 100% sure of it

[Hiraki]

zzzzz

pyschecrysomemoar

zzz

[Hiraki]

Vote: Psyche

[Hiraki]

He's been lurking the entire fucking game

[Hiraki]

I'd lynch me too, I've been so behind. I'm not sure why Psyche is defending me. Psyche, it's obvious that I haven't been around for Days 2-4, so why disagree with others?

OH DAMN

WE GOT CONNECTIONS HERE

I'M MOTIVATED

TO SEND PYSCHE

OVA DA EDGEEEEEE

[Hiraki]

Vote count analysis for the fucking win. Me and you are fucking awesome, crypto. <3

don't associate me with your falsely effortful-looking iioa

no but seriously bro

you and him are suuuuuuuuper awesome

I'm getting townreads off of CF btw

so come back to the light crypto

come baacccckkkkkkk

[Hiraki]

I got my little eye on you too crypto~

[Hiraki]

I actually want to know the answer to that crypto

usually I skip CF's posts, but that one is actually decent

[Hiraki]

Wait wut? Did you really just do that?

Vote: Psyche

SCUMBUD ALERTTTTTTTTT

[Hiraki]

Pine is town noraaa

do not fear

[Hiraki]

Hiraki is a moron noraaa

do not fear

Says the person who's led 2 MLs now

ouch

wonder who has more credibility here

[Hiraki]

ok well this is nice and cuddly and sweet

but lynch psyche or CF

[Hiraki]

we should lynch him for it

taking that post super literally is scummy

[Hiraki]

isn't that what I do?

[Hiraki]

Pine is town

so yes you are the only one

[Hiraki]

ok thanks come again

[Hiraki]

six out of seven times what, Psyche

You're defending the guy but you don't even read his posts? Cause he's mentioned that several times.

stop taking uber seriously

[Hiraki]

well this has been fun

but let's get this done and over with already

[Hiraki]

You mean Psyche?

[Hiraki]

lol obscums are obv

[Hiraki]

Uber isn't scum

he's just really fucking stupid

[Hiraki]

GJ insulting me.

[Hiraki]

god am i the only one who's disturbed by how hiraki is just cruising confidently late in the game with the town's back to the wall

i am too

[Hiraki]

Vote: Psyche

BK wasn't scummy kthanks.

[Hiraki]

BK was scum. I'm interested to know how you think that's not scummy?

Scum=/=Scummy

just because a boy looks like a boy, does not mean it's a boy

could be a cross dresser

[Hiraki]

You could've just asked Peta

I'll give you a case

when I'm asked

not today though

[Hiraki]

Peta, are you just going to follow crypto on every vote?

[Hiraki]

i think nora's scum

I'll agree with this now.

Very surprised on Pysche's flip but that just about settles everything.

noraaa/CF/Pine/D3fend3r

I think that should about finish this one up.

Pine is now scum for his statements that he just said. There's actually nothing scummy about D3fend3r's defense. Why is he on the scumlist then? Process of Elimination. I'm don't see crypto/peta/inte being scum. So that leaves D3fend3r, who I've had a null read on. Same with Doctor and whoever replaced him etc. etc.

They were annoying to read so it was hard to read.

Oh and Matias is pseudo-town for going against statements that buddied him with Psyche. It's not 100% definite, but I'm ready to say GG if Matias is scum.

[Hiraki]

Why is he on the scumlist then? Process of Elimination. I'm don't see crypto/peta/inte being scum. So that leaves D3fend3r, who I've had a null read on. Same with Doctor and whoever replaced him etc. etc.

[Hiraki]

My point is that it's really strange that you criticize me for finding him genuinely scummy, when you've come to a similar conclusion by other means.

So you're saying

that even though I believe he's scummy

I shouldn't think you're scummy

because we came to the same conclusion?

Should Dr. Xavier and Magneto be friends still?

[Hiraki]

That isn't what I'm saying at all.

You criticized me for finding him scummy, despite the fact that you agree for different reasons. Professor X and Magneto agree on some things and oppose one another on others, but they aren't enemies for the things they agree on.

You're criticizing me for what we agree on, which is weird.

Um, that's what I am criticizing you on?

[Hiraki]

Hiraki thinks crypto wants me dead bc he has no reading comprehension... therefore -I figure- he's thinking "well if me, crypto, and of course pine and UN will vote nora, then I can go get Pine and or UN later.. and knock two more people off my list"

um no

I just want you dead because you're being more cryptic then crypto

[Hiraki]

why the hell is 10v3v3 unlikely? IT ISN'T. IT'S TERRIBLY LIKELY. this looks to me like somebody who's scum trying to make townspeople think the scum teams are smaller than they ACTUALLY are, so they'll let their guard down and think they'll have more mislynches than they ACTUALLY have...

You know this isn't really that scummy just because this is usually the norm

[Hiraki]

I misread it.

My mistake. The norm is 3/3/10

[Hiraki]

I'M FIRING

MY LAZER

Unvote, Vote: d3fend3r

[Hiraki]

oh please

Uber isn't scum for that

almost every fucking setup is red mafia with blue town

or green town with blue mafia/red mafia

we all knew this was coming

[Hiraki]

I can join this wagon if this is proven

manipulation of the facts

[Hiraki]

I HAVE A HORRIBLE FEELING ABOUT THIS

BUT I WANNA HAMMER

SOOOOOOOO

Vote: UberNinja

[Hiraki]

so

for getting two scum

i am being attacked

welp gg peta

[Hiraki]

You think inte or Matias had those balls?

Noraaa might've, but she'd be stuck on page 3 of the thread still

[Hiraki]

i can melt

get some water

[Hiraki]

remember meeeeeeeeeeeeee