NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)
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zabriel Mafia Scum
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Jesus, 14 pages.
Currently thinking Mozamis. He dropped what looked very much like a "town v town" read, and I hate those.
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There's currently a lot of banter bogging down the game. Om in particular has a lot more chatter than content.-
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Not really feeling like voting Bitmap right now. Vifam seems better. Challenging town reads and all. I like my vote where it is right now though. Maybe later.-
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EBWOP: That "maybe later" is referring to Vifam. Bitmap is a bit lower on my radar.-
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What's with the 'tude Mozambique? You're kind of overdoing the snark, and not really accomplishing anything at all.-
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Not that I don't appreciate being called obv-town, but NY 159 was my first scum game. Or maybe just my first non-micro scum game. It's a valid observation; I do suck as I almost never roll scum, but I do like to think my scum game has improved a little since NY 159. I'm going to assume good intent since that was just kind of volunteered out of nowhere. In my experience scum usually wait until my wagon is already rolling to defend me.
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UNVOTE: Mozamis
Thinking about where to go from here. Just read Penguin's iso and I actually like her posts a little better now. I didn't really get the Hero-wagon until I re-read #374. First point is terrible and the testing the waters stuff seems terrible and reaching. Plus the jump to Om (who would seriously just be a policy lynch) without commenting on the switch rubs me kind of wrong.
VOTE: Hero-
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The recent interaction between Vifam and Archive has got me feeling a lot more positive about Vifam than I was, and not so jazzed about Archive.
We should also consider ending this day soon as we were penalized 10 days and day 1 is essentially random anyhow. The days will be more useful to us later. If we can have somebody lynched before February I think that would be good.
Sidenote: I just put in two and a half shifts with the Trevor Project, plus an hour of overtime, so I've been listening to depressed and suicidal kids for 6 hours. I am going to get food, and probably smoke a big fat bowl of marijuana. Possibly in reversed order. Stay frosty kids. Will be back when I've managed to unwind.-
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Which part Majiffy?
Back now, thinking more clearly. Re-reading.-
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I didn't say I think you're scum Vifam. I was leaning scum on you earlier, but I liked your interaction with Archive. I thought it was good. I should have been more clear with my wording.-
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Actually it's theUnderachivers. They missed an 'e'.
I don't fully understand the Mhork case. Gonna iso.-
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Gonna quote things as they pop out.
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I'm trying to look at these from both perspectives. The scum thinking is kind of easy to see. I have to look harder to pull town off it.
For the few posts with any content he's got he does seem to rattle off whatever he's thinking. However, his thoughts have been kind of useless since speculating about whether breaking game rules is more town or more scum is dumb, and Boner/Matt's status as town has never really been in questions. I'm not liking how he ended his comment on Hero. It was looking like he was coming up with a secondary read and then he hedged it at the last second. It's enough.
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VOTE: MorkLast edited by Maestro on Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:55 pm, edited 2 times in total.-
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What happened with my last post? I'm not that high.-
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zabriel Mafia Scum
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Evening.
@Majiffy - You mentioned not liking the post I made when I got off my shift. I wanted to know what specifically bothered you about it.
I actually didn't hate UN's walls, which is probably a bad sign since I usually don't care much for UN's play.
@Mhork - Kind of dumb to ask questions you know the answer to. If Matt has something more interesting to say than "the guy I'm voting for", cool, but I'm really not sure what you are expecting here.
@Matt - I get IaI, but is lynching him worth derailing the Mhork wagon? I'd just as soon lynch Mhork and leave IaI as potential Vig-bait.-
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@Mhork - read that game/vote count?
@Matt - Odds on Mhork-scum?-
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That's a little lower than I'd have put it, but I get your point.
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Because, even though both are scummy, IaI carries enough of an increased chance of being scum to justify the extra time spent getting def-probscum over straight probscum.
In regards to the case itself, I find his town read on hero questionable and there's something intangible bothering me about his null list. I guess I'd like to see him comment on some of the people there and make that list smaller. Beyond that the biggest thing bothering me is his tone and the fact that he's still pushing the mollie vote. I personally have them about even odds, but I know I've missed things on IaI's case and Mhork's is pretty well laid out by this point. IaI is going to start looking like a better and better option, and you seem confident enough. Besides, if it doesn't take, Mhork's not exactly going anywhere.-
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I just had them even and I want to end the day and bank some extra time. But time's for catching scum and I've had some good experiences with flashwagons out of nowhere, so I don't mind investing in an IaI wagon so much now.-
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I'm assuming that they use a QT to communicate as a hydra. It caught my eye at first too.-
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I feel like that math is getting out of hand. I just wanted to know how confident he was in his read.-
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That would have been a little bit classic.
Kinda miss the flavor on the VCs.
PEdit: If there's a Vig or something of the like around, we might just be better off hitting Achivers and letting IaI get bumped off tonight possibly.
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I'm not sure what AP is thinking linking that game. I lurked like fuck and got two prods in HPATPL. He was scum and spent a good chunk of that game defending me, which he knows damn well influenced my thinking and play. Do you mind explaining that one a little better?
VOTE: AP-
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I would not mind picking up the IaI wagon again.
VOTE: IaI
Lurking, even chronic lurking is a solid null in my mind. JacobSavage is a non-entity in my mind. I have town feels from Matt.-
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Hi PV. I've been playing a lot of STO and not checking MS as often. I actually kind of buy AP's explanation for UN's Vifam case. The IaI wagon is comfortable though. I'd rather finish it than have it be something that keeps coming up.
PEdit: Seriously JS?-
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I will start telling you how baked I am every post if you like AP. Right now I'm pretty baked.
IaI and JS are my current favorite wagons. Let's do this.-
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Mhork, did you ever look over IaI again? You mentioned needing to re-iso him based on Matt's read, and I'd like to have your updated thoughts on him.-
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Hey Mollie. I was trying to get caught up with what I missed. I also idle here sometimes.
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@IaI - I generally feel that a vote implies a scum read. It appears that I have misread you. Dreams based on Dreams I like. I need to reread Hero. I would support a JS lynch, though the V/LA makes that somewhat awkward. I'm also wondering what the posh thing to do would be.
@AP - do you think town is eating itself on the JS wagon?
PEdit: Oh hai there. Is this happening?-
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Hmm, interesting thoughts AP.
Arc, final reads/thoughts?-
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Honestly, I'm just kind of watching everything right now. It's really interesting to watch it going at this pace.
VOTE: ArcAngel
For better or worse.-
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I wish I was a b@ller, wish I was a little bit taller...-
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If Vifam is scum he started distancing awfully early. Having a hard time seeing it.
IaI claim would be good.-
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There are plenty of reasons to leave a claimed cop alive in a large theme Rev, WIFOM not the least of them.
PEdit: I wasn't aware Matt was being serious PV. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. Would it bother you if he was just being lulzy?-
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That's getting annoying.
Yes indeed. I'll be back when it stops
Also getting this a lot.
@AP - interesting point on Rev. Hmm.
@Rev - I prefer to give claimed cops the benefit of the doubt for as long as there's a possibility they're town. Not a bad plan though if you might come up as a lynch target later. I'm down for whatever catches us scum most efficiently.-
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I'm sorry that my lurking and my weed are causing you difficulties.
I wasn't aware that I was on a timetable. There was discussion of an investigation, I was curious about where it would lead.
Sorry, I'm kinda of fried right now. It's been a weird night.-
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Agreed. Scum doesn't often advocate the lynch of an IC. It's pretty epic when they do though. I just grabbed a Survivor win off-site for lynching the IC. I lol'd.
So, AJ is most likely town.
VOTE: Rev
JS-scum because AA defends him isn't doing it for me. This smells like a cheap-shot at somebody who has been MIA from the site. Not a fan.-
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Go look at his recent posts IaI. He's posting precisely nowhere right now. I don't feel comfortable wagoning somebody who is on an academic v/la.-
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This is something that is making me wonder right now. Is Om hiding his partner in plain sight? Or is he setting us up?
In post 192, Om of the Nom wrote:Bitmap was throwing me under the bus.
See, we're scum together again this game, and that leads to fluffy fun times and joking that we're scum.
Right, Bitmap?
In post 720, Om of the Nom wrote:In post 214, Bitmap wrote:In post 213, Vifam wrote:No but he's scum and you're probably not gonna get anywhere with that Om wagon
OM WAGON, HO!
VOTE: Om of the Nom
Okay this kind of oppositional behaviour comes from town so Bitmap is off the hook.
PEdit: Interesting move from Rev. What do you make of 522 528 now?
Zabriel is null so far..
Majiffy is pretty much null, not sure if that’s how he normally plays so he is neutral
What do you make of the difference between how she treats her nulls? She leaves herself license to change her mind on her read of me and fills her read of Majiffy full of weasel-words and bullshit about ignorance of his meta.-
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I was actually in the middle of isoing Om at the time so I had them handy.-
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Mhork is an Innocent Child. We literally just had this out with AJ.-
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@RevIn post 3201, zabriel wrote:I was actually in the middle of isoing Om at the time so I had them handy.-
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I still think Matt is town. Majiffy or UN are possible. The more I think about it the more I think Om may have been hiding a partner in plain sight when talking about the Bitmap/AP slot.
@AP - Rev was saying that there was scum between AA's two null reads, so I wanted him to talk about how she chose to phrase those.
@Rev - Do you think AA is the sort that doesn't attack partners?-
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Rev, have you talked about JS/Buldamar since your reset? I see him on your list but I don't remember you updating your read of him officially.-
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I kinda want to lynch your mom Mhork. I wanted Rev to answer the question, so I asked it.-
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Buldemar for Buldemar is null to me. What are you getting off him Mollie?-
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Is Buldermar more or less likely to stall and eat up time as scum?
Majiffy is either intentionally misrepping or a dumbass.
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It's going to be one of these two. I'd like Buldermar to post some content. Did we set an artificial deadline already? Either way, waiting.
@Maestro - You're going with "Shoe of Eggs with Cheese" for my name? Is that a shoe made of eggs with cheese or is it a shoe filled with eggs with cheese?-
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Majiffy is the clear vote here. He's been misrepping and it's bad.-
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He misrepped the piss out of me asking Mollie to explain her read.-
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I was questioning the people on the Buldermar wagon while waiting for him to post actual content. I was also considering voting Majiffy. I had no read of Buldermar and was interested in what people who did had to say. Buldermar posted content that I read as town-motivated.
More misrepping:
In post 3383, TheReverend wrote:In post 3379, Majiffy wrote:You're "sheeping" her for reasons you didn't even accurately explain. Which means you don't understand her argument, and you just want her to take the fall when I flip town.
Now who's misrepping? I said I was sheeping her because she's confirmed town and has extensive meta on you. How is she gonna take the fall if you flip town? She's not gonna get lynched, is she?-
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I'll claim if I'm at L-1 (or hammered). I'm gonna go count.-
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I'm counting L-3. You guys can wait. I'm gonna strongly suggest you go back to Majiffy.-
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Why does everybody think declining to claim = getting ready to claim PR?-
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I just like to be at L-1 regardless of my role before I claim. It gets people committed earlier and gives town more reactions to look at after I claim.
In the interest of time I'd be willing to bend on this. Also, I've stopped caring.
VT. Enjoy.-
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Vote is staying parked on Majiffy. If you want to do this, do it now.-
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Just hammer if I'm not dead already. I just dropped my laptop and it's pretty badly broken so I'm on the desktop. I hate my desktop, so that basically means V/LA. I do not care to fight this anymore, so this is just the easiest way. I am town and you should lynch Majiffy tomorrow.-
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