NY 163: Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple (Game Over)

[Ms Marangal]

all these votes are Icky. how are we already pushing for a policy lynch when there are so many who havn't posted yet? :/

[Ms Marangal]

holy fuck, large games have a shit load of activity :<

hi TAM, you finally got a game with me

so uh.. what's up?

I skimmed through these 7 pages

and I'm not liking Underachievers at all

nor am I liking Robo, I mean, how is Apathy a town-tell when you are always Apathetic?

[Ms Marangal]

Maybe later when I more alert.

Pedit: well, both games I had with him, he was fairly Apathetic.

Pedit X2: TAM is scum gaise

[Ms Marangal]

Holy fuck that wall... and all it contains is a shit load of information

[Ms Marangal]

I skimmed it and noticed that she said I was timid. How the fuck am I timid?

[Ms Marangal]

well, I'm not lying and the ":/" is like saying "WTF is going on, jesus christ" without actually saying the words.

Pedit: chk is one head, but who's the other?

[Ms Marangal]

ugh...

Keybladewielder is terrible, How in the world is Titan even remotely acting like scum? his entire case on him sounds like OMGUS. and prod dodge really? I mean, we aren't going to get replaced for not posting every hour so why did you need to prod dodge? Titan's barely tunneling you :/

[Ms Marangal]

Marangal ignores a vote that's baseless, so? I could care less about what people think of me and if people think I'm scum, so be it but I would like reasons so I have the possibility of refuting it otherwise, I'll just do what I do and catch scum myself

[Ms Marangal]

but yes, I think Titan is very townie, and KBW, Not entirely sure. as of right now, I'm thinking very scummy townie who can't handle the pressure placed on him but that can change

[Ms Marangal]

KBW's case against him, what little of it there was in the first place really...

he calls him scummy for being pretty aggro towards him. that's pretty much his case towards Titan

AA9 seems pretty townie to me too

[Ms Marangal]

is that half Zora?

[Ms Marangal]

I don't see a scum case for Antilles, as for KBW I might be willing to go after him, in fact I'm halfway ready to place my vote on him.

[Ms Marangal]

I said I was half-way ready to lynch him. I still want more input from everyone else before we get someone lynched

[Ms Marangal]

Yo, TAM you still around?

[Ms Marangal]

TAM is somewhat active elsewhere though. He's made a couple post in another game, yet he's only posted here once today

[Ms Marangal]

I have never personally played with Active TAM at all. he does lurk quite a bit, though IMO, he does it harder, and more actively as scum then as town. then again, almost everything he does pings my radar soo....

[Ms Marangal]

HD:
I am conservative with my vote, you don't see me placing my vote anywhere yet do you? I said I was half-way ready to place my vote on him, meaning I can see him being very good lynching material, but there are a few who are just as good as well.

and this answer is long over due, I had forgotten about it and probably wouldn't have answered it if HD didn't link that post

Rainbow:
for the most part, I am against PL's since I would much rather have a lynch on scum, and to have a lynch based on discussion. at that point, there was very little discussion going on and there were many possibilities in regards to suspects that could have been made. it was entirely to early to even advocate any type of lynch IMO

I can see TAM scum, but I always see TAM scum but I'm reading Rach as Null. what your reasoning on him?

I'm not seeing much of a Serrascum in this game either

Pedit: It's a gut read on you right now Titan, I'm sure I'll find something to back that up later soon. it has something to do with your level headedness and your post look like they are actively scum hunting

HD is defintely town

Pedit X2: AtE Never works on HD

[Ms Marangal]

HD:
I am conservative with my vote, you don't see me placing my vote anywhere yet do you? I said I was half-way ready to place my vote on him, meaning I can see him being very good lynching material, but there are a few who are just as good as well.

and this answer is long over due, I had forgotten about it and probably wouldn't have answered it if HD didn't link that post

Rainbow:
for the most part, I am against PL's since I would much rather have a lynch on scum, and to have a lynch based on discussion. at that point, there was very little discussion going on and there were many possibilities in regards to suspects that could have been made. it was entirely to early to even advocate any type of lynch IMO

I can see TAM scum, but I always see TAM scum but I'm reading Rach as Null. what your reasoning on him?

I'm not seeing much of a Serrascum in this game either

Pedit: It's a gut read on you right now Titan, I'm sure I'll find something to back that up later soon. it has something to do with your level headedness and your post look like they are actively scum hunting

HD is defintely town

Pedit X2: AtE Never works on HD

[Ms Marangal]

no I don't, I'm just saying you aren't coming off as scummy... yet

his play is always like this regardless of his alignment... it's why I'm always paranoid of him being scum

[Ms Marangal]

no I don't, I'm just saying you aren't coming off as scummy... yet

his play is always like this regardless of his alignment... it's why I'm always paranoid of him being scum

[Ms Marangal]

wrong account Angel, gosh

[Ms Marangal]

... I can't even...

VOTE: TAM

You bother me way to much for me to not place a vote on you TAM, you're trying to hard to shrug off any pressure that anyone would even try to place on you. it's vexing, I'm fairly certain that you are one of the 4 anti-town members of this game. who are your partners?

[Ms Marangal]

... I totally forgot Klick was in this game... you got some stuff to say Klick?

[Ms Marangal]

.... isn't that the set-up?

[Ms Marangal]

oh, derp, I can't read...

[Ms Marangal]

but... what about TAM? He's being just as detrimental to the game, and I actually feel that he's scummier then Antilles. at the very least, Antilles is giving reads and asking questions, TAM isn't even doing anything that can be remotely considered scum hunting. TAM's posts are absolutely terrible, and keeping him around makes me feel like shit

[Ms Marangal]

@ Antilles you are going to have to do better than that. As for the whole they want to remain secret, that is null tell. And yeah I have no clue who they are cause NS won't tell me. So lets drop that part of the argument and focus on the hydra's posts and not worry about meta. It is a distraction. I find it rather interesting though, that right after a major wall about him, Antilles shows up and throws out two names saying they feel town. That looks like active lurking. No reasoning given, so we have no clue how they came to the conclusion that the two mentioned players are town. That is scummy.


MM we know you think TAM is scum, but you are tunneling, what about the rest of the players?

UA WTF??? What is your reasoning.

TAM knows full well that I willing to give just about everyone the benefit of the doubt, though he's been bothering me for a while with his not answering questions and stuff

other then TAM though, KBW, UA, and Possibly Bulba would be good picks IMO

I would like more from MO though, and Serra is quieter then what I'm used to... BT is Meh, so is Klick, Otter, Antilles and Reek,

Robo, I feel is town same with you

and everyone else I have no impression on one way or another

[Ms Marangal]

there's nothing wrong with Chk, he can be nice if he wants to be...

[Ms Marangal]

also, I'll state reasons on my reads soonish.

[Ms Marangal]

TAM- he's my first pic, I already stated my reasons on him. he's lurking, and isn't doing much to scum hunt.
UA- right now it's all guts.
Bulba- I'm not getting to much of a good feel from him, it's all guts but I get the feeling that all his stuff is seemingly done to frame people, such as BT
KBW- I would admit that, me wating him gone would be a PL at this point... I think he's a good person to take a look at though when he comes back. I think he's being anti-town rather then being scummy
Antillies- same reason as KBW, though I feel that the CHK head can be useful if it really wants too
Serra- he's way to quiet, I want to hear more from him
MO- I'm not sure, he's null. I'm not getting a too good a feel from him
Klick- I want to hear more from him, He's a super null read
Otter- I'm not sure what to think, He's making some good imput, but I'm not to entirely fond of his arguments. the fact that he wants to do a PL just for the sake of it seems scum motivated. he does have some good scum hunting points though and to me, the cancel the other out
Reek- Null, leaning town... I have a genuine read off him, though I still need more to get a clear read off this Hydra.
BT- Null town, I don't feel any scum force coming off of him but it isn't enough for me to say that he's actually full on town
Rach- pretty active, fairly questioning. I sense a good amount of good intent coming off her
Robo- posting not to much, but of what he does post is to the point and consise. his reads are pretty easy to figure out, and has his opinion stated with each post.

[Ms Marangal]

My next question was going to be how you expect scum to react to a town self-vote.

Couple of things:

1.) I'd expect scum to be drawn to it in certain ways. The most obvious would be to vote in the hopes of an easy lynch. Another way would be to cast suspicion on the vote without actually voting for the person who self-voted. In fact, drawing a lot of attention to the self vote would be ideal for scum, whether they are on the wagon or not. That's why a self vote can be a good way to judge reactions.

Let's take you, for instance. Your voting habits thus far have been very opportunistic. You jumped on the first wagon available without much of a reason of your own. Then when my self vote starts garnering a lot of attention, you choose that opportunity to vote, after criticizing others' reasons for doing so. In other words, you tried to have your cake and eat it too. You can't join a wagon and distance yourself from it at the same time. It doesn't work like that.

Regardless, this was something new that I wanted to try, and I got quite a few leads from it. 4 people bit, and I believe 1-2 of those are town. Going to start with the scummiest and work my way from there, starting with BT.

2.) "A town self-vote"? Sounds like you're in the know, which you shouldn't be, unless you're scum.

I was referring to this quote, didn't read much into your later posts. here, it seemed like you were trying to accuse him of making a "scum slip"

[Ms Marangal]

@Titan

IDK? I can put it back if you want? I'll probably get that vibe again when I read (is thinking that was Tammy)

Klick, why am I a strong town read? :/

[Ms Marangal]

... what? da faq are you talking about?

[Ms Marangal]

... that could have totally have been a scum slip... IE, I thought there were four scum because if I was scum, then there would have been four other scum, who would be my teammates... I don't think it's a good reason to town-read me :/

[Ms Marangal]

but, then again, it's your call. I find it to be a little strange

[Ms Marangal]

Serra and I are OBV Scum buddies, and he's trying to protect me <3

and my reads are weak because I'm coasting, looking for stuff to attack. I can be passive, and I can be aggressive, but I feel like being passive especially since the only thing I'm feeling strongly about ATM is TAM

other then that BT, you don't really have a case against me.

I am noting your seemingly buddying up to Bulbazak though

and the last time I heard the phrase "this is to easy" it came from scum...

I'm defintely not seeing Rach as scum, and if I had to defend someone, it'd probably be her.

[Ms Marangal]

who's RBD?

[Ms Marangal]

@Titan

IDK? I can put it back if you want? I'll probably get that vibe again when I read (is thinking that was Tammy)

Actually that was arthur. I actually didn't notice you hadn't included us in the later post.

But, why would you put it back if we want? If you're town and your read changed it did, you could point out why, but I don't know why you would just want to put it back because arthur called you out.

my read didn't change, though I had found it a little strange that he had called out on the fact that I didn't add you guys into my T/S list. I was interested in how he would have reacted to my response.

I'm town-reading your reaction alot stronger then Arthur's one though

[Ms Marangal]

BT thinking that I'm scum because of something Mae did a couple games ago is highly amusing.

[Ms Marangal]

Its the RainbowDash alt. No wonder its so horrible. Who are these other players that are "posting next to nothing"?

I totally get where Mastin is coming from. Arc voting for our hydra specifically is selective scumhunting.

It is not, I have explained this to you before. You have been unnecessarly pulling this out for no reason. Not good at all

I said that I get where Mastin is coming from not that I agree with him.

Why is Mastin's willing to policy lynch scummy but Rainbows moaning about a policy lynching townie?

??

isn't rainbow advocating the PL of Anti-town people?

[Ms Marangal]

never mind, I misinterpreted your post... Carry on

and the only scummy person that I can agree with in terms of AA is TUA. everyone else is null or town, speaking of, why is the BT slot scum Angel?

[Ms Marangal]

V/LA till monday

[Ms Marangal]

you mean your long list of reads that looks manufactured?

[Ms Marangal]

I'm not fond of the lurker right now. Might be residue from my feelings of TAM, though his opening post rubs me the wrong way.

[Ms Marangal]

I don't exactly know how he got his read, and based on the time difference of the posts, he really didn't read through the game that thoroughly. I'm also unsure as to why he would place a vote on someone without being fully caught up in the game

Pedit: it's mostly from my experiences with him. I didn't like the way his post sounded. I talk to him almost daily, and he's around just as often as I am

[Ms Marangal]

I see nothing wrong with Zedenek's scum-reads. it could very well be the fact that he's town who doesn't know how to separate Anti-town actions from town actions, and frankly I'm having a bit of trouble doing that this game as well

[Ms Marangal]

I'm not fond of the lurker right now. Might be residue from my feelings of TAM, though his opening post rubs me the wrong way.

Why are you getting any feelings from TAM?

Judging from his posts, he was obviously too busy to even play, rendering the whole thing null, maybe a few defenses here and there before he replaced out

. It seems more like an unrelenting tunnel than something you've actually thought about.

You should probably join one of the main two wagons instead of playing obtuse and continuing a rather unbased line of voting.

I'm actually going to keep my vote on Lurker. re-reading, this post here kick's my gut real hard, especially the Bolded, and his latest post doesn't make me feel any better. I realize my vote is Idling on TAM/Lurker though the fact that he had to call that out and tell me to switch to two larger wagons to me, Suggests that he doesn't like having the vote against him.

also, Amish tell anyone?

[Ms Marangal]

not that I'm aware of Currently, though when I had started to originally suspect him, he was semi-active in the Polygamist game that I had with him. He is modding a game though

[Ms Marangal]

Why does it matter if I tunnel you? if you are town, you should be able to take the pressure I'm giving you with no problem. I do have other suspects and I have stated them in thread

[Ms Marangal]

I believe the fact his game to mod came up is why he replaced out, Generally speaking asking to be replaced is a null tell MM. You are tunneling a tad here...

I'm aware of that. My read on TAM was null-scum, but my scum read on Lurker has gotten stronger especially since he's already trying to dodge any attention that I'm giving him.

[Ms Marangal]

Considering that KBW wasn't entirely active even before he stated that he had internet problems, it would have alarmed me if he wasn't inactive else where.

I would prefer Lurker over these two though, and I had TUA as a scum read I think... don't remember why

also, using the fact that the Hydra being inactive is different from a solo account being inactive are two different things because a hydra has more heads is kinda stupid because, as a Hydra, you kinda want your partner's input in the game.

[Ms Marangal]

uuhhh... there are no PR's in this game Titan

and I'm seeing TUA as a stronger scum read the KBW, but not by much. I would much rather get Lurker lynched

and I'm defitenly not seeing MO scum

goddamn Posts

[Ms Marangal]

you just stated that neither you or KBW were scum when you responded to my post though

[Ms Marangal]

Zedenek:

I disagree with the KBW, MO and Antillies Scum read Reek, I'm Indifferent on.

[Ms Marangal]

I'm not exactly fond of DGB. there's something about her that I don't like

I'm liking Angel though

[Ms Marangal]

that works fine I guess, though my read on DGB is stronger then what I had on Reek

[Ms Marangal]

No, I don't think DBG is scummier then Lurker, in fact I'm thinking that they are probable scum buddies so, either way, my vote is sitting on scum.

[Ms Marangal]

that entire self-voting act is completely ridiculous WIFOM, and it's a terrible one too. I agree with Titan in the sense that town can self-vote out of fustration, though I believe it is more likely for a tactical scum to use it. especially when there is no evident danger of being lynched. DGB is more likely scum then before.

[Ms Marangal]

My vote is on your scum buddy

[Ms Marangal]

My vote is on your scum buddy

What do you care which scum gets lynched? Pick me.

if you say so. either way, scum will die
VOTE: DGB

[Ms Marangal]

V/LA till monday

not feeling that lynch anymore otter

[Ms Marangal]

Jen... MO was fighting against the lynch as well.

who did Jen replace? I wouldn't mind getting behind her wagon

[Ms Marangal]

Mmm... Jen replaced Serra... yeah, I would be comfortable with lynching her

she likes how TUA is fighting for his survival, yet MO is doing just that and she parks her vote on that Hydra. Jen, do you actually find MO scummy? why or why not?

[Ms Marangal]

Except that "Scumtells" as defined by you are not set in stone. They are not like math or black-and-white, a town player can exhibit many "scumtells" which you have in your book but the slot happens to be town. If you have played enough games, you would have seen this phenomenon before. Simply, either the player sucks or has a playstyle that

disagrees with you

. Assuming that each player in a game is at a decent skill level, no player's playstyle is "bad", but whether they agree, disagree or is neutral with you. If they agree with you, it is a town tell, and if they don't you may see certain "scum tells". Once again I believe in the reality that you simply disagree with my partner's playstyle, so unless you can find evidence against me = both of us, you can't call us definite scum slot. Yes I was buddying with you, I'm glad you saw that.

No that is not how I define "scumtells", and I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. I rely on the same scumtells game after game, and they serve me quite well. As such, manufacturing of reads (ie. non-genuine reads) is a scumtell. Lying is a scumtell (I caught KX doing this with the read order thing. It was backward, which means that it was false, which means he was lying.). Doing something for the sole purpose of pacifying town is a scumtell. Trying to deflect the case against you, rather than confronting it, is a scumtell. Attempts to discredit a person or their case is a scumtell. Buddying is a scumtell. Need I go on?

Lying is not a scum-tell. I tend to lie a whole lot more then I do as town. manufacturing reads is not a scum-tell because I do that when I don't want to give my own reads for whatever reason. mostly due to the fact that I'm still searching for a certain thing from a certain person and how I view that person will affect what I'm looking for. pacifying town, sure. He also didn't deflect the case IIRC, he's confronted it though I agree with you there. I have also been discredited by town, and as scum I have had town discredit me when I 1v1 them so that is a null tell. Buddying is not a scum-tell, I have seen town buddy their scum read, I have done it myself as town.

[Ms Marangal]

OMG KBW was scum, yay.

and that's a total misrep of my case on you Jen, and I didn't even vote you

I'm still on day on in terms of where I am for information, I'll read up tomorrow >.>

[Ms Marangal]

VOTE: Jen

I suspected her earlier and her stating " I'm voting her because she changed her vote" is a complete misrep. yea, it's one of my reasons for wanting to vote her, though I did state that I found Serra suspicious, granted not as strong a Vibe as Jen is giving me now. basically, Both her and Lurker need to die at some point, I can go with Jen today and Lurker tomorrow.

I'm also fairly certain of MO town. Kx isn't coming off as scummy to me as he is to everyone else, and MS is completely genuine in his responses.

Jen: your misrep on me has to do with the fact that you Stated I voted for you due to your vote switching when that wasn't even the case at all.

[Ms Marangal]

Do you really think Serra/ now Jen is town DGB?

Yep. I do.

why?

[Ms Marangal]

What of the AtE nature of that sentence makes the Slot town?

[Ms Marangal]

HD, MO is def. town. Antilles and TUA would be decent, though I do still prefer Lurker and I'm still not seeing townJen

[Ms Marangal]

wow...

I'm not really seeing MO scum, mainly because of the ingenuity of the MS part of the post. Kx isn't all to horrible either, and I'm thinking that people are making him look worse then he actually is. the survival tells are weak for that slot, and there really isn't anything that's standing out. if anything, MS is actually trying his hardest to actually participate in this game evidence by him being upset that people are ignoring his wall post

[Ms Marangal]

well, yeah I realize that being Genuine in your posts and stuff isn't a town-tell though it's incredibly hard to sound Genuine and Honest in what you say or do as scum, hence why I believe MO's genuineness is a sign that he is in fact town.

and then there's the fact that the walls between you and that slot was actually an argument between you and Kx. the ones you did have with him didn't feel malicious in the slightest.

I also couldn't help but realize that people were pegging active members as somewhat scummy because they weren't as activity here doesn't match their activity else where? I can't help but think that it's a weak reason to suspect a person, especially because this is a large game. it's alot more easier to lurk in a large game then it is in a smaller game. I also couldn't help but notice that people who called those people out didn't add me in that list even though I havn't been incredibly active here either. I'll find those people later and question them

<3 Klick, it's your fault for town-reading me in Polygamist in the first place, it wasn't exactly a strong reason to think that I was town.

Still liking Lurker for scum though

Mod: V/LA till wednesday

[Ms Marangal]

Hey guys. I'm back, I'll be reading up now but this page... it confuses me... what exactly have I done that "Transparently scummy?"

I never inferred that KBW was scummy for being inactive, Hell I don't even remember making a case against KBW at all. there were other people who were top priority for me such as Serra/Lurker and TAM/Jen

@ Bulb, MS's genuineness is mostly his disappointment that no one has read, and responded to his large post that he made. kinda fluffy, though his response to you in 944 reads pretty genuine to me.

am I getting lynched? if so, I would like people to go after Lurker and Jen when I flip town.

Bulb is town, I want to say Antilles is town, though I'm not sure there.

Zedenek's reads are so fluid it scares me. He had Antilles as a scum read, and me as a town read when he entered the game but suddenly agree's with him in regards to me being scum? it doesn't make sense, and there is no indication of him changing his mind in his Iso. he's also totally flipped on MO as well

more interestingly, it seems like he's just following the flow of other peoples reads (people had antilles as a top scum-read when he replaced in, and many were town reading me as well though that somehow switched at this point?) He doesn't really take a stance of his own. If he's scum, I would suspect that Antilles is town, as with MO. Since MO is one of my stronger town reads, it makes me more suspicious of him

Pedit: yes, and he falsely suspected me, and I pushed a mislynch on him. I don't think he (if it is chk) ever read me correctly in any game I had with him

[Ms Marangal]

Ugh... I feel like I'm back in deja vu land.

Regardless, the wagon grew on me for ridiculous reasons / no reason at all. MM was bad and bothered me how she claims I completely misrepped her, yet in the same breath admits that my summary of her case was one of the reasons she voted me. At least one if not more scum had to have been on my wagon given the speed, and I think she is definitely one of them. And even now she's wanting to go after people who are replacing out. Maybe as chance has it scum all decided to replace out, but there haven't been 5 replacements at one time meaning at least some of the scum are here, and she's choosing to ignore that in favor of perceived easier targets.

We need more votes on MM please.

Yeah, and my fast wagon has amazing reason to why it's growing would that mean scum is on my wagon as well? I don't recall you ever giving reason to why you think I was scum Prior to your hop on me Jen.

also, you did misrep me, you took one of my points, changed it into something else and made it look like it was a main reason for my vote when, really it wasn't. as for the replacements, what does that have to do with anything? and even then, I went after those that I found suspicious.

also, I'm not ignoring anyone and if I was going after "easier targets", I wouldn't be Defending MO and I also wouldn't have called antilles somewhat town.

[Ms Marangal]

@Bolded: She claimed you misrepped her in your case then said you were scummy for misrepping her, therefore she's scummy?

No, she's scummy for pushing a bogus case on me and making false statements to try and discredit me. And also for her choice of targets. She reads like she's faking a read on me versus actually believing in it and is sticking to that read to try to appear tunneling townie versus scummy scum.

you know, I stated the biggest reason I suspected you is because both you and Serra gave me awkward vibes and how is my reason to suspect you bogus?

[Ms Marangal]

and I'm not on board for both Major counter-wagons so we need to find someone who is viable, maybe the two wagons that suddenly disappeared like Jen and TUA's ones? we could also go after fresh scum wagons as well such as Zedenek

[Ms Marangal]

VOTE: Jennifer

then from that list, I find Jen to be the best to choose from.

Antilles, MO, and Titan are not getting my vote any time soon

Pedit: ugh... damn you guys

Pedit: STAHP POSTING DAMMIT

[Ms Marangal]

Because my vote is on OBV scum and I'm not entirely sure of what to think of DBG at this point. I was iffy on her, and her predecessor but I'm more certain of my read on Lurker/TAM and Serra/Jen.

Pedit: then come join us on Jennifer

[Ms Marangal]

as much as I want him lynched, he isn't going to be a viable wagon today, come one to Jen, or tell me why she's town.

[Ms Marangal]

As bad as Antilles case is on me, he seems certain that he's caught scum. He isn't going to get my vote today

DBG baffles me and I can't understand why, as scum, she would be doing what she is doing. it doesn't make sense IMO

I have stated my case on Jen several times, the fact that she has freaked out over people voting for her is telling. If the reasons on her were shit, she should be able to disband her wagon entirely, or keep on scum hunting. I especially don't like her AtE and is seemingly attacking me for hypocritical reasons.

I'm not getting behind a MO lynch, I am also not going to get behind a Titan lynch, TUA is a faint possibility

and Lurker, yeah I guess he's viable but Jen is active and thus more dangerous, especially is she's scum.

Pedit: Antilles is not going to happen, jump onto Jen Please!

[Ms Marangal]

I'm not voting TUA unless someone comes up with a good enough case as to why, especially when they voiced KBW as plausible lynch suspect.

[Ms Marangal]

part of the reason why I'm not going after you either DBG

and neither have most of the arguments that I have seen today so far. Scum are already at a disadvantage, I don't see why they would bus when it isn't needed, distancing yes, but not straight up bussing.

[Ms Marangal]

She gave KBW a pass for being V/LA, yet didn't do the same for TUA because one of the heads would be "active" while the other one would be V/LA using the active head as a valid reason to place her vote on them. She uses hydra dissonance somewhere as a means to call TUA scummy, when really it isn't.

The biggest thing from her though was her switch from TUA to MO stating that she liked TUA because they defended themselves... That still gives me huge question marks and I don't think it was adequately addressed

and then she breaks down and tries to use AtE to get us to not lynch her. She states she gives up (which is more anti-town then anything but still)

and her most recent attack on me feels... strange. The only time she has really gone head on with me was when my wagon started to pick up IIRC, before then she really didn't do much. Sure, she has asked me a few questions, though her play is opportunistic at best

[Ms Marangal]

I'm not going to join Antilles, TUA, or DBG at this time, but if Lurker could get a wagon going, I would be all for it but the viable counterwagon's aren't worth my vote off Jen

[Ms Marangal]

Knew I was forgetting something

He's mostly Gut. As bad as his case is on me, he's certain that he's caught scum and is reminding me of a tunneling townie. His level of confidence in his read isn't one I think scum would possess.

[Ms Marangal]

My reasons for who is what and why isn't something that can be explained by logic.

[Ms Marangal]

no, said in a game of psychology and behavior analysis

[Ms Marangal]

I'm done.

Lynch me before Scum start drawing associative tells that I had with KBW and TUA both.

I still think Jen is scum, I gave my case on it, Bulba and Titan are town as fuck and it surprises me that DBG is scum reading them, though my thoughts on DBG scum are slipping with each post she makes. I still think Antilles is town as well, especially after this last post he made.

[Ms Marangal]

Yes, I realize that DC but the type of associations I had with Both flipped scum are pretty terrible, my scum reads are probably off this game, and at this point in time, I'm probably going to be a good person for scum to try and get a mislynch on. We can afford to get rid of some of the people who will be used as distraction for scum so that people like Titan and Bulbazak have less interference to work with.

[Ms Marangal]

I'm irritated and "depressed" because I was wrong on both flips and it's making me think that I'm wrong on my reads all together. I'm happy that we caught scum two days in a row, however I had both as null-town.

V/LA till Wednesday

[Ms Marangal]

I'm done moping, Still not voting Bulb or RBD DBG, sorry

I stated that I was fine with Serra/Jen lynch, as well as TAM/Lurker/Syry lynch and those still remain to be my top two choices

VOTE: Syry

either way, we will end up getting scum lynch so I'm down with this.

[Ms Marangal]

Why is Bulb scum Rainbow?

[Ms Marangal]

Town:

Syryana

Titan

Jennifer

Metal Overlord
BBMolla
Human Destroyer

Nulls (town - scum):
Arcangel9
Zdnenek
Rainbowdash
DLCXVI
Klick

Scum:

Antilles
Ms. Marangal
Dripping Goofballs

Bolded is completely wrong JTLYK

I have already stated that I would be ok with being lynched especially since I don't have the energy left to really play this game, and I don't want the mod to look for more replacements but if you guys let Syry, Jen, and Zdnek win the game I will be pissed

[Ms Marangal]

Bulbs scum reads are totally off, and some of his town reads are totally off but that doesn't make him scum DBG. Arthur and Bulb are both town, Antilles is town, RBD is town, Molla is probably town, MO is town, Angel might be town, HD can be town too,

so DC, Syry, Zedenek, and Jen are were we are going to find the team.

[Ms Marangal]

Why is MM town? Go. For somepony who is all into "scum doesnt bus" MM is almost what seems like an ideal vote for you. Look at all that "yeah KBW/TUA is kinda scummy - vote elsewhere" going on.

Called this association read

[Ms Marangal]

Except.... Syry's wagon started before mine so, if anything my wagon is a counter-wagon

[Ms Marangal]

But I'm right about Ms Marangal and I will avatar/sig bet anyone in this thread that she is scum.

I'll take you up on this

[Ms Marangal]

And I want Chk's Sig, not Antilles

[Ms Marangal]

If I die, can I still get Chk's sig, and can people go after Zed and Jen?

I'm not so sure on Syry anymore, and I'm not going to go for bulb.

Hmm... Maybe DC?

UNVOTE:

what did you lie about Molla?

[Ms Marangal]

VOTE: Jen

I'm going to go back here.

[Ms Marangal]

I'm pretty obviously town MM, so you're going to need to explain why you keep insinuating that I am scummy.

lol, wow. Uhh... no you aren't and I'm pretty sure I explained why I found you to be scummy

but I will say it again.

Your reads are totally fluid, which isn't a scum-tell on it's own if it didn't seemingly follow what everyone else was saying. Your scum reads switch seemingly without reason, so do your town reads, and they seemingly switch so that you are suspecting the biggest suspects.

[Ms Marangal]

....

are you assuming that Rainbow is scum for saying that we are likely going to be mod-killed? She didn't even suggest for it to happen, she just said that it was likely to happen

[Ms Marangal]

And I think that you were scum for the fluid changes of alot of your reads. You suspect Rainbow for similar reasons I suspect you, so if I'm wrong, so are you.

encouraging mod-kills are not scummy in the slightest, especially if she does feel like the game is being compromised :/

[Ms Marangal]

Yeah, thanks for giving me more reason to actually believe that you are scum Zde

[Ms Marangal]

She started null and she moved to town. Her actions, and her thought processes looks like she is actually thinking and doing analysis of players which is usually town-driven

[Ms Marangal]

No.

to lazy atm

[Ms Marangal]

RBD's changing reads are actually understandable, they are present in her posts and she does state reason for the change of her reads. She clearly had taken a step back to re-evaluate the game, while with you, that isn't as clear

and then 2163

Arthur, Bulb, and MO are my strongest town reads

Rainbow is a decently strong town-read along with Antilles

Molla, Angel, and HD are weak town reads that can easily change

Syry is null though his wall post a few pages back kinda pushed him to a town lean, Klick is also null

DC is a weak scum read, I want more from him to be able to discern his alignment

Jen and Zde are strong scum reads

[Ms Marangal]

DBG is a very fluid read, though I really cannot see her attacking her scum-buddies like that so blatantly. I mean, I'm one to bus as scum but the manner of how she did it really did not read like a bussing act.

and Molla is nothing more than gut, I'll have to read his posts more thoroughly to figure out why he is exactly giving me good vibes.

[Ms Marangal]

Probably has to do with the fact that she believes that the other wagons are scum wagons