NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

[Slandaar]

Confirmed

Threat to the town detected.

VOTE: EG

I have an inkling that it's multiball.

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I'd take Slandaar's post as sorta scummy

Why?

Sample scum PM says there are only 3 scum on a team.

This means compared to a mountainous 10/3 there is a gain of 3 mislynches to find one scum. Compared to a mini normal of 10/3 where you have 3 mislynches here we have 6 but no PR's. I just don't see that as likely the number of mislynches available seems too high for only 3 scum, this, combined with the fact the game will also take forever if it were only 1 scumteam means 13/3/3 seems very likely.

Tell me; how many scum did you assume there would be?

but probs a mistake.

Probs.

"As this is a vanilla game these are the only roles:", which makes me think it can't be multiball or have a SK.

Vanilla doesn't mean it can't be multiball. 13VT, 3 Goons, 3 Goons.

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Fresh meat how sweet

nomnomnom

I see your link to as a message saying this me this town read up and go easy on me. Also even through slaandar brought up wifom of multiball with out going to the night phase (Bad slandy)

The question you should of asked was what makes you think it's multiball?

Yep.

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The sample scum role PM also says 'You are a Mafia Goon' not 'You are a [TYPE] Mafia Goon.' It seems unlikely to me Huntress would deliberately reveal the exact size of the scumteam(s).

The sample PM didn't remove type but did remove an XXX to hide how many scum there are? I see!

Maybe the sample PM wording is exactly the same as the real PM's after-all that is the point of them. Mafia Goon could be coloured to indicate the team.

In any case - why do you believe speculating on this at this specific point in the game is useful?

What do you mean at this point in the game?

It is something to talk about, to generate discussion, that is what the point of RVS is.

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VOTE: Goodfather

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Albert

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What's up?

This is my 'I am not impressed' face;

I'm seeing a lot of town kicking up a dust cloud for scum to ooze into and hide behind. Lets stop that.

VOTE: Goodfather

(That is my 'I have such nice shades you should sheep me face')

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Whoever brought up multiball

Hi

none of these things even remotely resemble scumhunting

Well, you're wrong.

It's all white noise that looks on the surface like helpful activity but is actually just a fine place for scum to hide.

Let us take this hypothesis as true, it would mean starting a conversation about multiball would draw out and ultimately help catch scum.



Was I doing that? meh I know to watch peoples activity regarding multiball and activity regarding scumhunting need to be about equal (or increase in scumhunting), if activity drops from someone when multiball talk ends they are scum. There is nothing inherently wrong with talking about multiball in RVS after-all as long as the person transitions; it is better than making a random vote because someone posted above you.

We could also go another level, if we know that most people think that it's scummy and there are a lot of people who incorrectly do (town like to talk), then we can assume scum will see this as a reason to use to accuse town of acting scummy and this leads to scum who know people will be accused of scum for talking about multiball are less likely to do it than town.

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scotty.

Her name is Sooty get it right Garmr! Don't think star trek think Childrens TV!

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Don't mind me I am just lurking.

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Maestro really feels like scum to me. Chevre not so much.

Loot/Maestro seriously looks like a team when you realise how quick Maestro was to dismiss Loot as a VI but not EG.

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Kabs what do you think about Aegor claiming scum near the start of the game?

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I don't want any lynching for a while (on anyone) as I am conducting some very valuable investigations. I half oppose half don't care about the chevre wagon; it seems very meh to me.

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Reading Slaandar over in ISO, my town read on him is cancelled.

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Slandaar is on my scum shortlist too

and absolutely avoiding the major issues with his vote parked uselessly on a nonstarter

Why is he a non-starter?

it just feels outside of that he's done relatively nothing

3 walls; conclusion; 'lets lynch a lurker'.



also; Poor Fonzy.

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Iunno but maybe, if you read his post, you can work it out.

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straight up to snipping away the point he didn't want to deal with.

I assume this is meaning;

does not absolve your sin of hiding on the sidelines sitting out all major discussion.

Alright then I won't 'ignore' it; What exactly do you mean by sitting out all major discussions? Could you tell me GF's contribution to these major discussions?

But to answer the question you thought would let you avoid the rest of it, its a non starter because you put your vote there and prompty did nothing at all to get it started.

That doesn't mean its a non-starter just means I didn't push the wagon. What is the difference between that and lets just take a completely random example; GF's vote?

Somebody who *knows* he's town is feeding that fire.

Who are we talking about here?

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People who need to post:
Brian
Kabsy
Maestro
ABR

People who are scum:
Brian
Kabsy
Maestro
ABR

I see a correlation here.

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People are just randomly voting me it seems.

How's this coming?

Stalled while Kabs is awol.

emeraldemon is a really bad D1 lynch. Slandaar's posts consist of naked votes, fluff, setup speculation, and general badness. He is absolutely useless and this is mountainous so we are in no danger of lynching a PR. He is a great lynch for today.

Why were you claiming scum on page 1?

I tell you what, you make a case on someone, anyone, then I will.

Useless indeed.

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Albert why do you think I am scum?

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Because you usually have a trajectory, are more forceful, do less setup speculation and post more.

I thought that would be the answer.

Meta, if I were scum here, I would have posted a lot more or at least thrown some nice town looking content out, I find it interesting you think I would not consider my meta in relation to others.

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I assume you still don't understand how I caught Thor in the linked game Albert? no-one seems to understand it.

Thor did exactly that; he didn't adapt his meta accordingly.

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So, what you are saying is, you think I am scum for not posting much (which I can disprove at anytime) and the content I have posted looks town?

Doesn't look good does it Albert?

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I have initiative so its not that, I have confidence so its not that. Sometimes I just don't feel like putting in the effort to lead the town.

Check for example how kabs has sat on EG for her 'im scum' but not Aegor who has done the exact same thing. Check how Maestro can conclude Kabs is VI instantly but not EG. Maestro whos sole content has been to argue with a VI to look good and a self vote apparently means you should unvote your scumread who then accuses Chevre of doing exactly the same thing as he has.

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Kabs is obviously scum btw, you can even look through demons meta game to see he did the exact same thing as scum as kabs did here.

What are you doing is the question.

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Slandaar, if Kaboom is obviously scum why are you still voting the goodfather (now inHimshallibe)?

Havn't decided who to lynch yet.

The real question is how I voted someone who has by their own admission played terribly and replaced out due to it.

Brian is obviously scum; making these walls which are completely disconnected from the game.

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Albert call the win condition police.

Hey, man. It's not my fault you're incapable of completing your phrases. Whether you meant you wanted a Brian wagon or not, that was NOT how you wrote it.

(hes scum)

Town: OK I misunderstood; scum; what? hey thats your fault!!!

The resort-to-blaming shows a guilty conscience

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Dunno really, it is quite fun on the sidelines.

I'm the guy who likes to hang out on the sidelines

How long do you plan on sitting there on the sidelines

You jealous?

Why are you voting me?

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Well considering your reasons don't exist and I am your only scumread one has to ask; have you done any scumhunting?

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About as much as you and then some.

Then post reasons.

Have you asked me questions? nope, where have you been scumhunting?

What makes you think I don't have reasoning? Can you conclude town from your iso considering you've been relatively active this game?

Yep.

So, you have reasons? get to it then.

You look about as useful as you've looked in any of the games you've been with me (you were scum in both of them by the way).

My posting in this game is actually very different. My ISO being useless is greatly exaggerated.

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-Not one but two faked towntells.

Dunno what you mean; but its funny because if they are towntells why are they not towntells and instead fake?

-Going after low-hanging fruit (lurkers; relatively new players in Goodfather/Kaboom)

They have the same chance as everyone else of rolling scum.

Being new doesn't mean they are not scum; perhaps you should look at the why and if the why isn't there; ask; not just look at targets and make baseless accusations. I assume you think they're town to even suggest this, why is that?

-General fence-sitting

Have I?

and leaving votes on low-hanging fruit (like literally, I'm here right now and you've called me scum not once but thrice, put your vote where your mouth is)

Well actually GF was replaced so I don't think your argument holds, nice try.

Also, I'm tired of your bullshit in my games and watching your slot flip scum after you replace out (you were actually kind of townish in that werewolves games, dunno why you replaced out). Actually, why did you replace out?

And what has this to do with anything?

I assume you are replacing out soon?

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You use the sample PM to feign ignorance over the matter

Feign ignorance about what?

and later go "oh hey, so that's how that works." Yeah, no.

Nope, I did not do that. Quotes.

The second one looks like a faked breadcrumb. It's a vanilla game so I don't understand your intent.

Exactly, vanilla game so its not a breadcrumb just how I decided to word it.

I agree with the bold part, except you just vote them and call them scum, but you don't really offer reasoning for them to defend themselves. Lurkers and newer players are low hanging fruit and I don't think you really had any intention of trying to sort them.

What is the difference between that and your vote on me?

I as a lurker am low hanging fruit.

You are scum committing the exact same crime that you accuse me of it appears.

You have clearly avoided the major wagons, even up to this point

I don't particularly care for them, what is the issue with that?

where you have stated me as a scum-read. If you were townreading Chevre/EG, fine. But you've clearly not been townreading me.

Don't understand, I clearly havn't been townreading you, yes???

No, it still holds. So unless you think his replacement is still scummy, or scummier than me, what the fuck is your vote still doing there with only two days left on the deadline and that wagon clearly not going anywhere (I mean if you were pushing it, it would be a different story, but you aren't)?

His replacement is in the same slot so, yes, still scummy.

General prejudice.

I read through you so easily.

VOTE: Brian

I assume you are replacing out soon?

Should I be?

Yes. You apparently think those who make posts like;

Then push my wagon harder and put me out of my misery.

Should replace, so you will be replacing out?

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Nice wall, I have had enough of that.

Yes, Sland is the only scum read of mine.

General prejudice.

One scum read who he has general prejudice against; how coincidental; hes scum, lynch.

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Brian thinks I have been trying to fake towntell so I present you;

Brian faketowntell #1;

Will actually read posts sometime this weekend.

Meanwhile, don't mind me slipping my vote onto the largest wagon.

VOTE: Emogirl

Scum wouldn't do that would they?! (why would town?) Wifom nonsense isn't needed unless you are scum.

Brian faketowntell #2

Page 17? Really? I'll catch up on Sunday.

Haven't read anything, but Albert and Garmr both get townreads for being awesome. Maenara gets one too because I still feel bad.

Emogirl can be scum for as long as I sit on her wagon. Will try to figure out why she's getting wagoned later.

Making up reads? Scum wouldn't do that! (why would town?) Wifom nonsense isn't needed unless you are scum.

I could go on but want to keep this post a reasonable length.

The best reasons he is scum is;

Hey, man. It's not my fault you're incapable of completing your phrases. Whether you meant you wanted a Brian wagon or not, that was NOT how you wrote it.

(hes scum)

Town: OK I misunderstood; scum; what? hey thats your fault!!!

The resort-to-blaming shows a guilty conscience

This is very very good. It really shows he is scum.

Nice wall, I have had enough of that.

Yes, Sland is the only scum read of mine.

General prejudice.

One scum read who he has general prejudice against; how coincidental; hes scum, lynch.

Lynch Brian it doesn't get much more obvious.

Interestingly the rest of the town burnt themselves out in the first few days of the game; I am by far the most active player now.

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You have never seen me under pressure as scum.

ABR is now guaranteed scum.

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Where have you seen me under pressure as scum Albert?

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Albert are you going to respond?

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I accumulated approximately 0 votes in those games,

It appears you are the one who misremembers.

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I accumulated approximately 0 votes in those games,

It appears you are the one who misremembers.

Because you made yourself a non-entity. If you had posted more content, you would have been easily caught. You replaced out before.

OK cool story.

So, where is the pressure that you claim exists?

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Albert will now sheepishly vanish for a while and hope he can get away with making up nonsense.

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I like how you avoided the question.

Didn't get away with it though.

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Sure I did.

The one you ignored.

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I accumulated approximately 0 votes in those games,

It appears you are the one who misremembers.

Because you made yourself a non-entity. If you had posted more content, you would have been easily caught. You replaced out before.

OK cool story.

So, where is the pressure that you claim exists?

I assume you responded to this somewhere then?

Quotes.

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...

I responded to your question but my post got caught in the simulposting. If you didn't spam the thread with one-liners, you might have seen it. Too bad for you.

When you find out your post didn't go through that is your cue to re post it.

The act is amusing though.

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So, what pressure are you talking about?

I have probably 15 completed scum games and 2 I replaced out of. Why are you selectively using the 2? (I know the answer). What has me replacing out got to do with anything? I had no pressure in those games; none more than normal.

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And both were due to disagreements with the modding, which makes it impossible to continue to play in, so, Albert, do you have a point?

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Whatever I wasn't going to because ABR is there but

VOTE: Emerald

I have him as scum too, amusingly.

ABR likes to try to assert himself on people he is intimidated by which is flattering in some ways but is also rather childish.

You can still answer me though Albert, just so I can show everyone.

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No, you are wrong now.

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The bolded is funny because I ISO'd you. Did the emerald read just come out of nowhere? Because it's conveniently placed as the wagon was building.

Why are you asking me? Obviously I will say no whatever my alignment.

I have your slot as scum too.

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Fonz who do you think is scum that isn't low hanging fruit?

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That depends entirely on who you class as 'low hanging fruit,' doesn't it? Both you and Chevre are MafiaScum veterans, so I'd say I'm not going for low-hanging fruit at all.

Who do you think is a poor player but town?

Experience doesn't mean anything but it is interesting you diverted to that. We were both is low hanging fruit positions as it were.

So, is there anyone?

I don't answer these type of things because I try not to call people poor etc so I won't be here.

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What matters here isn't if he's

right.

The question is, is he sincere? 'Feigning ignorance of the setup' is an accusation I've heard town make a lot.

Of course hes not; he took sarcasm literally and made a case about it.

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Like how is GF lowhanging fruit? he had 0 votes apart from mine, that is literally backwards. Lurkers are the hardest to lynch because everyone cries foul.

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Then I'm really confused by what you mean by low hanging fruit. If it's not inexperienced or poor (or both) players, what is it? Because that's what 'low hanging fruit' has meant every time I've seen anyone use the term on site.

Poor but really its lynchability which are similar but different. Experience doesn't equal ability level which apparently you think.

How are you 'low hanging fruit?' Like seriously, you're confusing the fuck out of me.

I have 2 people grudge voting me and I was lurking, how am I not? case in point: I have th most votes so you can't actually win the argument.

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Which is why I used the term 'positions'

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How is Fonz a weak or lynchable player? This doesn't add up.

I didn't say that.

MOST people think it is based on experience or ability but that is because they don't really understand (and should not be making the argument in the first place), lynchability can vary throughout games; if a bad player somehow is considered confirmed town they are not low hanging fruit.

This isn't very complicated.

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Lurkers and newer players are low hanging fruit

This is Brians definition.

Therefore his ONLY scumread from his POV;
#1 is low hanging fruit
#2 he holds a grudge against

Obviously he is scum. You can't make the argument he did with his reads.

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And way to grasp onto straws, Slandaar.

One of the most ridiculous things I have ever read.

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Kabs/Aegor/Maestro
Acidic/Brian/Em

Em/Brian doesn't make much sense but eh, looks good otherwise. Maybe Brian is making up stuff because he wants to grudge vote me that badly and it is actually OGML, quite possible.

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I think there is a difference of definition here because you've said you're low-hanging fruit due to your amount of votes; I think just the contrary, "low-hanging fruit" is someone who probably doesn't have a lot of suspicion but it would be incredibly easy to make a case on.

No, that isn't what I said.

What happens when you make the case and they get votes/suspicion? they are not low hanging fruit anymore?



You are scum aren't you.

Is that all you've got, or do you have some more misreps to spout?

Yes actually check a few pages ago.

I didn't misrep him he said low hanging fruit are lurkers; I was lurking ergo I am low hanging fruit and he is being mosntrously hypocritical.

Perhaps you can point the misrep out?



Too many scum. Luckily I killed myself so don't need to figure it out, I knew voting Emerald would do that, but did it anyways because... you guessed it.

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Yes, yes nice waffle.

He thinks X is scummy as theory, he does X either hes scum or just really bad town.

You work it out.

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He thinks X is done in theory. He doesn't realize he's doing X.

Conclusion: Town.

So, they DO coexist on the same level then.

Where is the misrep?

Why if he is scum did he have to know what he is doing? You can't catch scum using something they didn't know about?

If you make a case on low-hanging fruit, town is going to point out what you're doing and either not vote and/or suspect you.

If suspicion and votes are gained after you make your case, that's not low-hanging fruit. That's a true suspect.

lol

So, low hanging fruit can't be scum? You can't make cases on them without being suspected? then they are not easy to make cases on are they?

Hilarious.

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It is just a grudge vote you want me to be scum everything is made up on that basis.

We could employ the 'who has replaced out of a higher % of games' strategy to lynch people, but mine is like 5% so probably going to be lynching you over me.

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They were never meant to coexist at the level you are presenting them.

That

is the misrep.

He thinks X is done in theory. He doesn't realize he's doing X.

Conclusion: Town.

So, they DO coexist on the same level then.

Sometimes I feel I need to put things simpler these is one of those times;

He thinks X is done in theory. He doesn't realize he's doing X.

Conclusion:

Scum

.

So, as we can see, Bulba for some reason is suggesting I misrepped. Probably needs to explain where the misrep is quite sharpish at best he is debating my conclusion but that isn't a misrep.

Or is it? Bulbazak?

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You should just vote me at this point, it was a done deal a while ago.

I am off to see if Albert can come out to play today or if he is still hiding under his bed from me.

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lol

VOTE: Slandaar

Did you read me correctly, me posting more means you can, right?

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Ensuring there is a lynch before deadline.

It is always going to be me so may aswell do it now after trapping you.

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A summary of ABR's case on me:
Sland is lurking
ABR can read me if I post a lot
I am second highest poster

I am town

ABR is scum, lynch him tomorrow.

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The point is he has no case.

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Why was he voting me? because I was lurking, that is it. I am the second highest poster its laughable.

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And now hes all 'THAT AINT PLAYIN TO WIN CONDITION!' well it is really because I get to be around to post as confirmed town which I always intended.

Laughably scum.

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Why are you voting me Albert?

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(scum admission)

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I like how you dragged that into the game when the second one particularly I would always replace as town and the first 99% sure I would.

Very town of you.

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Like what does me replacing out of a couple games where I had zero votes have to do with anything?

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Well not bad excuses; good reasons, but you can pretend you are right.

What does it have to do with anything? I still have 70 or so games on site where I didn't.

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And now Brian is like obvscum to everyone because his one and only scumread he grudge voted all day.

Anyways I might post later, don't know, ABR/Brian fell into a scum pitfall its that simple, lynch them (assuming multiball) otherwise they are awfully bad town.

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I feel like Rainbow doesn't like me very much

I think the chance of you being able to PL me Rainbow if that situation ever came to pass (it won't so why you continually repeat it is beyond me) the chance is probably 0. The chance I can PL you is much greater though by employing the old 'I am better than Rainbow so if one of us must die obviously it is him' strategy; simple and effective.

Numpties like Rainbow do amuse me; the point of saying you don't like someone who isn't in the game anymore just goes over my head except to get a response such as this which he now has.