NY 171: An Education in Telling Jokes (Game Over!)

[PeregrineV]

Fast game. Almost too late for RVS.

But not quite.

Vote: Elsye

For making me lose that 2-room game after playing 40 days and 40 kill-less nights.

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Just finished ISOing Desp so I could watch all the videos at once. Guess I'll go read the thread now.

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SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME GODDAMNlT

OK, you got 10 minutes.

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Didn't realise that this had started. Will catch up and post now. For now FOS: any Spurs fans.

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I was reading fine until Poro distracted me.

Need to do more work now.

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Gonna start with the past-past Nikanor reads,

@Mollie-

Why do I think you are scum this game? Is that feeling strong enough to lynch you today?

Vote: Gooner

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, are you a Spurs fan?

Now GC. He's been active lurking up to this point. I mean read his ISO. It's all lovely blending into the background, not doing anything to push the town along type scum. The type of player you don't really tend to notice until the end of the game when he's revealed as scum. Fortunately, I have a lot of experience with this type of scum and have grown accustomed to spotting them from a mile away.

Yes, I am. Insomuch as I don't follow basketball much, gotta support the home team.

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VOTE: PeregrineV

Making a show of his scumhunting, instead of being focused on the actual results.

This intrigues me. Since I have about 1 post where I've said anything that is remotely scumhunting, I'd like to hear about the show vs the results.

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Gonna start with the past-past Nikanor reads,

@Mollie- Why do I think you are scum this game? Is that feeling strong enough to lynch you today?

You're making a monologue with town. You did that in the game I modded, too, before you flaked.

I was actually lynched, and my team won, so not sure how I flaked.

And my first sentence was agreeing with 127

My second was telling Mollie I think she might be scum, and inviting a response.

And your response means it's not a monologue, but a dialogue, which is always the purpose of posting to the town in general.

[PeregrineV]

Monologue. You're not talking with anyone, you're talking to 'em

While a fun back and forth (ie, dialogue), I'm now behind 15 pages so we'll pick this up later (but probably not).

[PeregrineV]

Let's pretend I skipped reading the last 15 pages, and started in the last page or two.

Not voting Elyse, Formerfish, Radiant or Nikanor.

Who does that leave me, viability-wise?

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Formerfish.

Rumor has it he claimed doc. Why lynch doc claim day1?

[PeregrineV]

Hey guys. I just received confirmation I'm taking over in this slot. Let me read the game and get back with thoughts.

First, you must post the secret town password.

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Re: Formerfish is scummy

Which posts are being used to support this opinion?

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Re: Formerfish is scummy

Which posts are being used to support this opinion?

We're pretending I did. Now that it "happened", say I'm confused by the Formerfish hate, and want some strong examples of his full-on sliminess which i will then concur or dispute, at my leisure.

[PeregrineV]

First, you must post the secret town password.

Zuzu's Petals. There. Now an angel got its wings.

I'm only on page 8 and I'm already tired of reading this game. Some of these posts make me sad.

OK, fine you can be town.

Read the first 10 pages and the latest 10 pages. If there is anything important in between then Samuel L. Jackson will instruct you to read those posts.

[PeregrineV]

First, you must post the secret town password.

Zuzu's Petals. There. Now an angel got its wings.

I'm only on page 8 and I'm already tired of reading this game. Some of these posts make me sad.

OK, fine you can be town.

Read the first 10 pages and the latest 10 pages. If there is anything important in between then Samuel L. Jackson will instruct you to read those posts.

And watch all of the videos for important clues.

[PeregrineV]

First, you must post the secret town password.

Zuzu's Petals. There. Now an angel got its wings.

I'm only on page 8 and I'm already tired of reading this game. Some of these posts make me sad.

OK, fine you can be town.

Read the first 10 pages and the latest 10 pages. If there is anything important in between then Samuel L. Jackson will instruct you to read those posts.

I take this back since you vanished.

Vote: Marquis

[PeregrineV]

Not currently lynching any of the claimed PRs. They are locked in and are now targets or confirm-able in some way, and may even catch scum if they are town.


For tonight, Zekrom can shoot Green Crayons, Mollie or Gooner.

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why mollie?

If scum she'll never be lynched.

Relational tells with Fish, Zek, Sthar.

She never gave her own vig targets out (that I can see).

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Don't shoot Gooner. I'm good with the other two shots, though I'd prefer Green.

What about 1023?

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why mollie?

If scum she'll never be lynched.

Relational tells with Fish, Zek, Sthar.

She never gave her own vig targets out (that I can see).

I never gave out vig targets, does that make me scum?

Does it?

What will I find if I iso you?

Will you ever be lynched?

[PeregrineV]

eh

because i don't want to have to waste my time and town's time fighting a mislynch on day 2

VOTE: marquis

i'm a vt

let's pretend for a sec though that i'm vengeful and my will to kill zekrom extends into tomorrow or something. or w/e

Sthar has 8 votes and you have 6 when you vote you.

Why not Sthar?

[PeregrineV]

Was going to finish reading but there is so much juicy stuff.

well lookie lookie

two terrible votes by two of my day 1 scumreads

I am SO DOWN for a Marquis lynch

vote Marquis

Yes, it's true.

Vote: Marquis

So how many nights does Zekrom get to not confirm his claim?

VOTE: Zekrom25

Given your experience level and game knowledge, and the flip of a town roleblocker, Why would you think that the shot (if true), would not have been blocked?

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VOTE: Mollie

Serious vote.

You remind me of Shos when he discredited every single one of my crumbs in OGM. Shos was scum;therefore you are scum by default.

Also;

I think I'm down for a Zek lynch, but not voting because not many people have posted and I don't want a quick lynch to end this day off, tbh.

I feel good about this vote also. ++ to Mala

[PeregrineV]

idk if as a vig my 1 shot was wasted

You could ask the mod how many shots you have remaining.

Do that and get back to us.

[PeregrineV]

Aaaaanyways.

Here's my starting point from my initial skim:

Confirmed Scum:

Zekrom

Probably Scum:

Malakittens
PeregrineV

Lean Scum:

Elyse
Tman

To be sorted:

Deathnote
serrapaladin
pisskop
Yates (formerly Matias)
Untrod Tripod
Nikanor
Porochaz
Pacman
Green Crayons

Lean Town:

Mollie
Ythan
Radiant Cowbells
Marquis

Confirmed Town:

Cabd

I'll rearrange this:

Highly Likely to Be Scum after last 6 pages:

Zekrom

Probably Scum:

Marquis
Mollie

Lean Scum:

Green Crayons

To be sorted:

serrapaladin
pisskop
Yates (formerly Matias)
Pacman
Tman
Ythan

Lean Town:

Malakittens
Radiant Cowbells
Deathnote
Untrod Tripod
Nikanor
Porochaz
Elyse

Confirmed Town:

PeregrineV

[PeregrineV]

Gooner-Cabd can go into "to-be-sorted".

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Will look into this.

Good job Marquis.


@UT- you can take the hammer when you think he's done.

Vote: Zekrom

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i hate this.. maybe i'm just paranoid but as much as i would have liked to just hammer zekrom day 1 i can't bring myself to do it now or even vote for him because cabd's play fits in with scum gambiting to get the mislynch off quickly then excusing it tomorrow as a town gambit. again idek if it's just paranoia but someone else look at gooner pre- and post-zekrom claim and tell me how it makes sense

pedit iso gooner... why did he want to lynch fish over zekrom, when it would have made more sense to directly cc zekrom and get the protective role on him night 1?????

i hate this.. maybe i'm just paranoid but as much as i would have liked to just hammer zekrom day 1 i can't bring myself to do it now or even vote for him because cabd's play fits in with scum gambiting to get the mislynch off quickly then excusing it tomorrow as a town gambit. again idek if it's just paranoia but someone else look at gooner pre- and post-zekrom claim and tell me how it makes sense

pedit iso gooner... why did he want to lynch fish over zekrom, when it would have made more sense to directly cc zekrom and get the protective role on him night 1?????

always make the play that has better odds of success. you're arguing for a cute play here instead of a good one.

No lie. This doesn't look like an expression of disbelief:

1. Zekrom's claim makes me not want to lynch him today. I say we give him a night to prove whether he's a one-shot vig or not. Zekrom, use your vig shot tonight. Good targets for vig shots are lurkers.

[PeregrineV]

point taken

can we let Cabd do his analysis first before delving into the WIFOM pl0x

Yeah, OK.

Unvote.

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Rare weekend posting- I think lynch has occurred?

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Vote: Serrapaladin

I remember that much at least.

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Honestly, the one thing that got me looking at evilpacman18 was this:

I don't like sthar. He posted a read list "in the interest of transparency" meaning he's more concerned with peoples' perceptions of him than posting reads because they convict him into lynching/defending certain people, etc.
Also he's got like a third of the playerlist chalked up to VI (including myself, which I can't remember playing with him but whatever) which normally indicates a town read (it is a VILLAGE idiot, after all), but in the case of someone like fish, who he says he doesn't really believe the claim, meaning he's reading him as scum, it's either a mislabeled null-read or intentional dissonance. Either way, his dismissal of so many players as VI is some indication that, again, he's more interested in looking actively engaged than being so. zekrom's 959 is more typically dull posting from him but I think he accidentally tripped over the discovery that sthar doesn't actually have much at all and for a full playerlist reads post, it leaves me at least still quite unsure of what sthar thinks.

This post is written at a time when sthar is already taking a lot of heat, but only has three votes on him. And the entire post is bullshit! "Intentional dissonance," REALLY? evilpacman18 doesn't even vote sthar until two other people hop on the wagon, making this post even worse, since sthar didn't post a single thing in that time.

VOTE: NIK

last time someone said 'honestly' during a post they were scum. Sayin 'honestly' is a classic scum tell because if you were already honest about it you didn't need to emphasize honestly

I was going to go through every post of evilpacman18's and make up some bullshit tell on everything he said, hoping it'd get him lynched. Instead, I decided to point out the one post that I actually found scummy. Hence the "honestly".

This is how I read that.

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@Elyse

- Where u go?

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@Yates

- short version of why Nik is scum, cause I'm not seeing it.

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@Elyse

- Where u go?

Still here. I agree with mollie that serra's post was hedgy and he looks scummy.

Don't have much else to add. I didn't like evilpacman complaining about only being voted for for one post but Nikanor did the same thing kinda. The main thing that bothered me about his explanation of using the word honestly was that an explanation was unnecessary. I use honestly in my daily life all the time and it's completely unnecessary. Honestly, apparently, and literally are three words I need to stop overusing, but the use of the word "honestly" has changed and it doesn't necessarily mean someone was lying before.

You were a strong townread of mine day1.

Compare and contrast your day1 play with your day2 play.

[PeregrineV]

I was more active and confrontational Day 1.

You were active and made posts that resonated with me.

But since I have been wrong before, and know this, I require constant Elyse-town reassurance in the form of you town-posting some more.

Can you do that please?

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I was more active and confrontational Day 1.

You were active and made posts that resonated with me.

But since I have been wrong before, and know this, I require constant Elyse-town reassurance in the form of you town-posting some more.

Can you do that please?

Can you trying showing us why you are town too?

It would get me modkilled, so no.

Do you have any scum reads?

Sure I do.
Green Canyons & pirate mollie.
I thought Marquis, but he may have done something to remove it.
Serrapaladin is hanging around this area too, for now.

Null
5. pisskop
17. evilpacman18
20. tman2nd
Deathnote

Town
10. Malakittens
6. Yates
9. Untrod Tripod
11. Elyse
13. Nikanor
14. Ythan
15. Porochaz
18. RadiantCowbells

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It is true that he hasn't been very active at all, so it is odd for him to request that someone else post more.

But my quality is much higher.

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Tman the parrot.

Honestly

, I am down to lynch one of the following:

Tman
Peregrine
Mala
Nikanor
Marquis

A brief line of "why" for each could bolster support for lynching that person.

[PeregrineV]

Pot. Kettle. VOTE: Peregrine. Also because the reasons the confirmed town stated.

your defense of scum Zekrom and attack of the confirmed town-doc Formerfish puts you in the scum or bad town category. Until I learn to flipflop my reads like you, or figure out why you do so and get away with it, your probably scum.

[PeregrineV]

You show me yours, I'll show you mine.

Mine are hidden through the thread.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Pick a post or player, get all specific on me, address anything I posted before, and we'll talk.

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So Nik...

Zekrom: Please kill Gooner. I have information that says he is scum.

Is this serious? I'm not going to read the whole game. Spare me the drama and tell me.

It wasn't serious.

VOTE: Nikanor

This doesn't make sense, Yates.

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I could also

vote

sheep PereV.

Probably not the best idea- feeling like my reads are really subpar this game.

But, I partially blame you for that.

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Yates- [noun]

Plural- Yates

A creature that stands precariously upon a thin object, usually a fence or bench.

UT- I saw Marq vote as a possible buss but I am totally down to kill Marq. My read on him hasn't changed in the slightest.

Unvote
Vote: Marq

Malascum is viable.

1665.....

Along with, "why is mala scum?"

[PeregrineV]

Dude, I am not going to pick through YOUR iso to make YOU give opinions about the game. If you want to just throw out reads without supporting them, thats your prerogative. By asking for you to explain reads, I have already done my part.

I have been giving them. It just appears you haven't been reading them.

I'll compromise and explain any specific person if you do the same.

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I just have a townread on PerV.

Um, why?

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The thing is I had a heavy scumread outside of UT before the info got erased and now I'm just trying to figure out who it was.

VOTE: UT for now.

What was your heavy scumread based upon?

[PeregrineV]

Someone was calling someone else scum in an insanely scummy half-assed way.

Remember anything like that?

I meant your UT scumread. I remember nothing that does not exist.

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Monday check-in- will read later.

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@Poro- I have a slight townread on you, but not wanting to lynch Zekrom day1 is not a scumtell. Nor is a vote for Mollie. Is there anything else that you want to add to the case?

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Just now saw 1777. I'll check her ISO again, but other than low activity, don't find her scummy. Maybe I'll look at some of her scum games, but first feel is town.

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Claim is meh, but as scum claiming encryptor as any part of the role doesn't seem smart, whereas town ::should:: be truthful.

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I like green crayons but it might possibly mean they are scum

How, I'm not really getting scum vibes off their posts.

Nor am I seeing what you see in Death or Elyse.

Mollie starts with 3 scum suspects. Does malakitten defend all three if all three are town?

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Is there a Nik case?

He was a day1 townread, so not heavy onto the idea of this wagon. But, quite a few players have fallen short of day1 happiness.

@Nik- Need a little more info than that to get a Yates vote out of me. You got any concrete based?

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I also want Elyse to answer GC's questions. I just did a quick ISO and Elyse's activity has fallen off drastically.

@Elyse- Why are you entering active lurker stage? Your posts were much more thought out early game.

Are you trying to sheep me?

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I also want Elyse to answer GC's questions. I just did a quick ISO and Elyse's activity has fallen off drastically.

@Elyse- Why are you entering active lurker stage? Your posts were much more thought out early game.

Are you trying to sheep me?

No?

But if you want credit for saying that first, then all yours buddy. Hope it helps you seem a little more townie.

Does it?

Because 8 posts after I say that, I get this from you:

Tman the parrot.

Honestly

, I am down to lynch one of the following:

Tman
Peregrine
Mala
Nikanor
Marquis

Trying to connect the Deathnote thought processes here.

[PeregrineV]

I'll wait for you to post something that makes sense.

If you are still trying to say I am mimicking your reads or buddying you then the answer is hell no. I wouldn't mind seeing you dead but there are lots of people in this game that fill that category.

If you remember, that is also the time when I started questioning your reads as you weren't giving any and then when you did, you wouldn't explain because "herp-derp you first".

And then I said:

You show me yours, I'll show you mine.

Mine are hidden through the thread.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Pick a post or player, get all specific on me, address anything I posted before, and we'll talk.

[PeregrineV]

I'll wait for you to post something that makes sense.

If you are still trying to say I am mimicking your reads or buddying you then the answer is hell no. I wouldn't mind seeing you dead but there are lots of people in this game that fill that category.

If you remember, that is also the time when I started questioning your reads as you weren't giving any and then when you did, you wouldn't explain because "herp-derp you first".

Hell, I even started.

Sure I do [have scum reads].
Green Canyons & pirate mollie.

Pot. Kettle. VOTE: Peregrine. Also because the reasons the confirmed town stated.

your defense of scum Zekrom and attack of the confirmed town-doc Formerfish puts you in the scum or bad town category. Until I learn to flipflop my reads like you, or figure out why you do so and get away with it, your probably scum.

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Vote: Serrapaladin

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VOTE: Nikanor

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Nik has more votes though, you shouldn't have lollygagged.

Yeah, but 11 days to deadline.

If only we had some scumflips to glean some info from....

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ythan has been lynched. He was a

Vanilla townie!

Elyse, Town Mason, and Green Crayons, Vanilla Toe n ie, have been endgamed.

DeathNote, Mafia Goon, and Antihero, Mafia Goon, victorious!

Full mod reveal later tonight.

Hey Desp- I know it can be pieced together, but any chance of getting full setup/actions posted?