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Post Post #3276 (isolation #400) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:08 am

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Save the Dragons (6) -- chamber, SpyreX, DrippingGoofball, mathcam, Green Crayons, Yosarian2
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Post Post #3279 (isolation #401) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:09 am

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ninja'd
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Post Post #3282 (isolation #402) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:18 am

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In post 3281, Yosarian2 wrote:OGML is also likely town; he's hard to read sometimes, but all of his posting since he joined the game has given me a good vibe.


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Post Post #3283 (isolation #403) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:19 am

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Wrong on so many levels.
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Post Post #3291 (isolation #404) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:49 am

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I also believe Bookitty is completely town.
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Post Post #3301 (isolation #405) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:31 am

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In post 3298, VitaminR wrote:FYI, I don't think that I ever said that I'll vote StD. I'd rather lynch one of our useless lurker slots than StD.


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Post Post #3304 (isolation #406) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:34 am

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NO. OGML. OGML. OGML. OGML.
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Post Post #3311 (isolation #407) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:38 am

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Unvote, vote STD
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Post Post #3320 (isolation #408) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:45 am

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You're reckless. You could have easily been run up and quickhammered yesterday vs. CES.

OGML would have been preferable to STD because the slot is doomed and it sucks for the replacement. My finger was on the trigger for STD if the game stalled too long though. I'm ready for night.

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Post Post #3325 (isolation #409) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:48 am

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No one will believe me, but I also thought that distancing myself from you a little bit today might save us from NK for a time longer lol. This game was too easy with both of us conftown to each other.

We took over the game and crushed.
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Post Post #3332 (isolation #410) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:52 am

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lol GC is scum trust me.
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Post Post #3342 (isolation #411) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:58 am

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mathcam will meet his end.
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Post Post #3347 (isolation #412) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:07 am

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You have to explain to me why you think OGML is town though. I'm not following.
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Post Post #3370 (isolation #413) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:22 am

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In post 3357, Sotty7 wrote:It's surprising how quick I've started to feel better about this game.


tbh I felt better about this game as soon as PJ replaced out.

PJ, Yosarian, and Porochaz, soooo wrong LOL

I'm greatly vindicated for defending DGB against conftown all game. It feels great.
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Post Post #3375 (isolation #414) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:26 am

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In post 3373, DrippingGoofball wrote:DrippingGoofball (7) -- Untrod Tripod, Tigris/Kublai Khan, Sotty7, Save the Dragons, Porochaz, CrashTextDummie, Albert B. Rampage
DrippingGoofball (5) -- petroleumjelly, Porochaz, Save the Dragons, Green Crayons, OhGodMyLife

Now that you guys know I was town all along ^^^^


OGML is quite transparently scum from these VCs.
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Post Post #3377 (isolation #415) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:27 am

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In post 3374, DrippingGoofball wrote:One of OMGL/Tigris/KK, Porochaz and GreenCrayons is scum.


Correction: one or more.
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Post Post #3381 (isolation #416) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:31 am

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We'll lynch OGML and mathcam in the next two days.

Then probably GC after that.

Why do you think VitaminR is town, and what are your thoughts on Spyrex?
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Post Post #3390 (isolation #417) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:42 am

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True.

OK.

chamber/VitR/MBL/Bookitty/myself/Yosarian are town.

That leaves GC, Porochaz, OGML and Spyrex.

The last scum are likely Porochaz, OGML and Spyrex. GC as backup if one of the three others don't produce a scumflip.
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Post Post #3394 (isolation #418) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:44 am

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Yosarian, are you in agreement to lynch out of OGML, mathcam, Porochaz, Spyrex and GC, in the next few days, in that aproximate order?
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Post Post #3396 (isolation #419) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:47 am

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chamber, are we set on lynching [mathcam, OGML, Porochaz] in the next couple days?
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Post Post #3400 (isolation #420) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:49 am

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In post 3397, Yosarian2 wrote:I'd say the scum group is something like Spyrex + probably mathcam + probably one of (vitimanR or Chamber) + maybe OGML. Something like that.


Porochaz?
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Post Post #3409 (isolation #421) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:54 am

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In post 3401, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3396, Albert B. Rampage wrote:chamber, are we set on lynching [mathcam, OGML, Porochaz] in the next couple days?


Can you put GC in there?


Yes, GC is on the hit list, never forget GC.

We'll give Porochaz and GC sticks and see who comes at the other more aggressively and then lynch the other one.
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Post Post #3414 (isolation #422) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:59 am

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In post 3310, DrippingGoofball wrote:N1 Glork
N2 undo
N3 Sotty

Sotty you owe me your life


Looks like Shanba was a vig kill and that Glork was the real target.
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Post Post #3418 (isolation #423) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:03 am

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So who are you going to kill tonight, chamber?
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Post Post #3421 (isolation #424) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:04 am

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lol. Optimal strategy was for DGB to stay hidden. She just couldn't help it, and she was leaving to europe anyway.
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Post Post #3424 (isolation #425) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:10 am

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I really dislike GC's hop onto you after STD claimed.
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Post Post #3429 (isolation #426) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:13 am

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In any case, I'm happy about the claim. Everything is hunky dory.
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Post Post #3431 (isolation #427) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:15 am

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If he lived, we would have tried to steer the lynch towards OGML, and perhaps, lynched him.

Then STD would not be NK'd at night, he would claim to have protected some mason or other, and the town would grow suspicious.

A doctor claim only buys you so much time.
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Post Post #3433 (isolation #428) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:16 am

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Cop? Sure.
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Post Post #3435 (isolation #429) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:18 am

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The masons would continue to be protected by you, and you would continue to live.

Anyway, we all know that chamber is the vig.
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Post Post #3438 (isolation #430) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:21 am

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Anyway, I haven't said this yet, so I will say it now before Patrick locks the thread. You endured a lot of opposition, and gave this game your best shot. Well done, DGB. I'm proud of you.
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Post Post #3466 (isolation #431) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:36 am

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MBL is town. Go cook apple pie or something DGB, you're obsessed.
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Post Post #3468 (isolation #432) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:37 am

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Go bake a delicious blueberry pie.
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Post Post #3471 (isolation #433) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:39 am

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[Porochaz, mathcam, Spyrex] [SK?]
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Post Post #3473 (isolation #434) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:41 am

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[OGML, mathcam, Porochaz, Spyrex] [SK?]
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Post Post #3515 (isolation #435) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:19 am

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Looks like there's no SK. 1-shot vig. Even better.

Vote: CDB


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Post Post #3517 (isolation #436) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:22 am

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You can tell who the mafia fanatics are by the players who post as soon as Patrick unlocks the thread lol
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Post Post #3519 (isolation #437) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:38 am

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Juls, there's no way that Yosarian is scum.

Pick someone inside this group please:

[Porochaz, CDB, mathcam]
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Post Post #3522 (isolation #438) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:41 am

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Second towniest after MBL.
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Post Post #3526 (isolation #439) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:43 am

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In post 3523, Green Crayons wrote:
In post 3519, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Juls, there's no way that Yosarian is scum.

Pick someone inside this group please:

[Porochaz, CDB, mathcam]

If this is the voting pool, my gut reaction (based on my memory of each player's/slot's play) is Poro > mathcam > CDB.


I'll vote Porochaz if you will.
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Post Post #3528 (isolation #440) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:49 am

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Unvote, vote Porochaz


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Post Post #3531 (isolation #441) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:58 am

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Juls, don't worry, just trust us, Porochaz is scum.
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Post Post #3532 (isolation #442) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:58 am

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Although, at the moment, I think that CDB is more scum.
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Post Post #3537 (isolation #443) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:02 am

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Well, Juls, if you had a preference between those 3, I'd trust you and go for it, but I mean, if you're gonna say me/MBL/Yosarian/Bookitty are scum, well, I just think you haven't read enough of the game.

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Post Post #3541 (isolation #444) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:19 am

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In post 3539, Juls wrote:Where do you get that list of names?


We've pretty much broken down the game to where we can narrow the scum down to a small group. Thanks to the interactions in the game, the vote analysis and common sense.
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Post Post #3543 (isolation #445) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:24 am

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That was excellent, Green Crayons.
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Post Post #3553 (isolation #446) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:05 pm

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Unvote, vote CDB


This slot needs to die to prove to MBL that I'm town.
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Post Post #3562 (isolation #447) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:40 am

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In post 3551, MrBuddyLee wrote:Albert has been on the first and 2nd PJ-wagons, Glork, cam, two of the three CES-wagons, and Sotty. He was off the LML and first big STD wagons but ON the 2nd big STD wagon. Net: on 7 bad wagons, off two good wagons, on one good wagon. Net: 8 badwagons.


You're taking things out of context.

Day 1 I was busy and didn't participate much.

I had a rock solid townread on DGB which forced me into an anti-PJ camp.

I was forced to vote Glork due to KK/undo/PJ pushing the wagon under deadline pressure.

I aggressively defended CES when it mattered.

I unvoted Sotty and went after other bandwagons aggressively before she claimed.

If you read me in context, compare it to any of my scum games, you can't possibly think that I'm scum, unless I'm the best actor you've ever met. Same thing with Yosarian, he doesn't have the acting chops. You're just completely wrong MBL and need to re-evaluate different facts.
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Post Post #3563 (isolation #448) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:42 am

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VitaminR, no, Yosarian is town. How can you not see that? He's not that good an actor.
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Post Post #3564 (isolation #449) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:44 am

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After the nightmare we went through day 2 and day 3 under PJ's tyrannical sway, forcing us to choose between CES and DGB to lynch, we need to work together and understand that we've got this game under wraps. Stop trying to find weird suspicions that nobody else agrees with. This game is practically over, it's just a matter of time before we get all of the scum.
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Post Post #3565 (isolation #450) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:52 am

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I believe that we should quicklynch Porochaz or CDB and talk tomorrow.
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Post Post #3566 (isolation #451) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:55 am

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The case on CDB is extremely strong, JUST LOOK AT OGML'S INTERACTIONS WITH DGB YESTERDAY AND THE DAY BEFORE. THAT DOES NOT COME FROM TOWN.
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Post Post #3567 (isolation #452) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:57 am

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@MBL

Do you know why chamber me and VitR thought that Yosarian's case on CES was trash? Do you know why DGB has a rock solid town read on me and vice-versa? It's because we have experience playing with each other. You can't come back for one game and think you have all the right answers while we've been active on the site playing with each other and learning to read one another.
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Post Post #3568 (isolation #453) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:57 am

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You're wrong, MBL, wrong wrong wrong wrong. Accept that I'm town and move on.
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Post Post #3605 (isolation #454) » Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:20 pm

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I think it's gotta be CDB or Porochaz today, one or the other.
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Post Post #3618 (isolation #455) » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:08 pm

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It's either Porochaz or CDB.
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Post Post #3627 (isolation #456) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:15 am

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Unvote, vote Porochaz


Can we lynch him now?
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Post Post #3628 (isolation #457) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:19 am

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Unvote, vote VitaminR
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Post Post #3630 (isolation #458) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:25 am

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I'm tired of talking in circles, I just want the day to end.
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Post Post #3632 (isolation #459) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:29 am

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After 2 deadline mislynches Day 2 and 3, I want to end this day as quickly as possible. There's nothing to discuss, from my perspective. It's clear where everyone stands and how one player relates to another. I just want to see some flips at this point.
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Post Post #3633 (isolation #460) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:31 am

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If MBL could lay down a vote on someone who has a chance of being lynched today, that would make me very happy. Same with masons. Same with everyone not bandwagonning right now.
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Post Post #3637 (isolation #461) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:33 am

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That's just great MBL, clap clap clap ignore everyone in the game that says I'm town and follow your terrible logic to place a vote on me. This achieves nothing.

I'm the new DGB in this game, just great, just absolutely great.
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Post Post #3640 (isolation #462) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:48 am

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The hypocrisy is real. The masons didn't have a strong read on STD so you wouldn't vote him, but the masons think I'm town or don't mention me, and you vote me?

See below:

In post 3003, MrBuddyLee wrote:As for STD, I specifically asked for the masons' input when I made the detailed case, and none of them were the least bit interested. That let me know that I should revisit the scenario from a perspective of "STD is town". It's not sheeping the masons per se.. it's looking for external town confirmation that I'm not tunneling on a quirky townie like I did on inHim and Ecto in the last Oldy. I still think the case has merit, but I'd be less shocked at this point if STD is town.


In post 3599, Sotty7 wrote:Still think ABR is town.


In post 2189, Sotty7 wrote:viewtopic.php?f=55&t=37174 This is most of the reasoning for my ABR town read. In this game he wagoned with the noticeable easy lynch early day one and became extremely disinterested with the game. He was passionless, not the ABR I grown used to. I started with a town read on him letting him be "ABR" for day one, but that changed quickly as his bland posting continued during the second day. He was eventually lynched but not before replacing out which might temper the read a little. But in this game he seems invested, he cares. He's posting in a way that rings as genuine for me at least. I think he is town.
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Post Post #3641 (isolation #463) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:52 am

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Undo is lurking, Sotty is busy, Juls is busy, most of this game is sleeping, DGB is dead, it's like I'm having a nightmare.

WAKE UP AND BANDWAGON TO VICTORY! THIS GAME IS DONE. WE WON.
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Post Post #3647 (isolation #464) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:03 am

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In post 3609, mathcam wrote:15) Albert B. Rampage
- Willing to buy for now his claim that he's not that good of an actor.


In post 3597, SpyreX wrote:But, of that group Albert is never, ever ever getting a vote from me.


The masons don't support it. The town doesn't support it.

Unvote me now.
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Post Post #3648 (isolation #465) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:06 am

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MBL has been driven to madness. He's sick in the mind. I can't abide him.
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Post Post #3649 (isolation #466) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:10 am

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MBL are you deliberately trying to act anti-town so that the scum don't NK you because you're a PR? It's annoying me. If I'm a vig, and you don't unvote me right now, I'll NK you tonight.
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Post Post #3650 (isolation #467) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:17 am

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I have to choose a better way to express myself.

Let's try that again.

<stops playing mafia>

You're an idiot. You're literally too stupid to play. I wish that you didn't sign up for this game, you dolt. You're ruining this day and destroying my chances to win with the town.

<return to mafia>

You can unvote me now.
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Post Post #3651 (isolation #468) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:21 am

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^ wrong thread. That post was meant for another player in an ongoing game. I know it looks like it fits nicely with my theme on MBL here, it's not meant for him.
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Post Post #3657 (isolation #469) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:56 am

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I don't remember. I can just tell you that my views and his were diametrically opposed for the entire game, except for my case on VitaminR which he gave me some credit for. I didn't like what he had to say very much.
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Post Post #3660 (isolation #470) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:05 am

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My vote is on you for a reason VitR.
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Post Post #3664 (isolation #471) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:21 am

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Case on VitaminR:

1) He can't see that Yosarian is town
2) He isn't saying anything about MBL's ridiculous vote on me
3) See my case on Day 2 which is pretty much the only time PJ agreed with me
4) He insisted on parking his vote on Yosarian yesterday instead of contributing to lynching STD
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Post Post #3686 (isolation #472) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:01 am

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In post 3676, mathcam wrote:ABR: There is nothing in this game that is bothering me less right now than MBL's vote on you. It definitely bothers me less than that mysterious four minutes between you voting for porochaz and you voting for VitaminR. What exactly happened in that four minutes?


VitaminR is pinging my scumdar like crazy.
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Post Post #3689 (isolation #473) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:09 am

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In post 3688, VitaminR wrote:MBL, you're confusing a bunch of things here. I was never trying to make the point that my push on LML looked better. The only thing I'm saying is that I don't have trouble seeing SpyreX case as a bus, because there's something strange about his level of certainty (exactly as you say, he never appeared to waver or have any doubts).


There was no one that came in as certain as OGML. He is a million times worst than Spyrex.

The fact that you keep muddying what happened and cherry-picking tells to support your campaign against Yosarian is disruptive and needs to stop.
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Post Post #3691 (isolation #474) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:20 am

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chamber, VitR says that Spyrex is likely scum because of his certainty. Don't you agree with me what OGML was far more certain and unwaveringly committed to seeing DGB hang as early as 3 posts and a couple days in? Isn't that scummy of OGML? Isn't that telling of VitR who cherry picks evidence to argue against Yosarian?
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Post Post #3694 (isolation #475) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:34 am

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Are you saying that he was sure that Std was scum, so that's a point in disfavor of Spyrex?

Because I have to completely disagree.

OGML was trying to get DGB lynched right up until the point we nailed Std.

OGML is scum.
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Post Post #3695 (isolation #476) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:37 am

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I'm thinking VitaminR/OGML/Porochaz
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Post Post #3697 (isolation #477) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:43 am

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Why aren't there more votes on VitaminR after posts like this?

In post 3298, VitaminR wrote:FYI, I don't think that I ever said that I'll vote StD. I'd rather lynch one of our useless lurker slots than StD.


Are you kidding me???
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Post Post #3699 (isolation #478) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:55 am

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No, VitaminR is scummy, STD was probably the best positioned scum in the town hierarchy, and VitR didn't want to let him go. That's the narrative I'm going with. Why are you taking a stab at Yosarian now?
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Post Post #3702 (isolation #479) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:17 am

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In post 3700, chamber wrote:
In post 3699, Albert B. Rampage wrote:STD was probably the best positioned scum in the town hierarchy


This is a silly statement. He got lynched, clearly that's just false. Unless you are suggesting he got lynched by his team mates, but that's not in line with you accusing VitR for not lynching him.


STD was in good standing, people bought what he was selling, he just got POE'd and then got counter-claimed. Yosarian was debating between STD and DGB and eventually picked STD as scum which tipped the balance.
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Post Post #3706 (isolation #480) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:27 am

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In post 3705, Green Crayons wrote:
In post 3674, Porochaz wrote:I am up to page 90, there are a few things Im noticing, one, I am still finding it hard to drown DGB, two, there is still the weird DGB/ABR relationship, three, the masons need to contribute more, sotty because when she does, its usually useful and undo because well, what the hell has he done? 4, the yos and vitr discussion is slightly more interesting, its one in which yos's focus on the masons comes off badly for him, 5, MBL and GC are still obvtown

Scum version of scumhunting. Safe and unobtrusive.


I tend to agree, but then CDB isn't up to date either.
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Post Post #3714 (isolation #481) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:23 pm

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Unvote, vote Porochaz


Alright Yosarian, we will revisit this another day.
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Post Post #3733 (isolation #482) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:36 am

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Unvote, vote mathcam
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Post Post #3735 (isolation #483) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:50 am

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You didn't defend me against MBL's terrible vote, what did you expect?
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Post Post #3740 (isolation #484) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:54 am

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Glork was pushed by PJ/undo/KK and was a compromise deadline lynch. There was nothing to be done.
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Post Post #3747 (isolation #485) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:02 pm

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Looks pretty town to me Porochaz.
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Post Post #3748 (isolation #486) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:03 pm

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vote: porochaz
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Post Post #3771 (isolation #487) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:10 am

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Unvote, vote CDB


I don't believe him. Prozac is just plain wrong and probably going to tunnel on me like he did on DGB and like he will continue to do on town all game long. It can't be helped. CDB I think is actually scum.
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Post Post #3773 (isolation #488) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:10 am

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The part where he pretends that he's town ie: everything.
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Post Post #3775 (isolation #489) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:49 am

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His posts since Day 4 looks town.
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Post Post #3783 (isolation #490) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:41 am

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I can't be the only one who's tired of discussing. Lynch CDB!
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Post Post #3801 (isolation #491) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:40 pm

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Unvote, vote Porochaz


I like what Juls pointed out.
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Post Post #3808 (isolation #492) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:16 am

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I'm down to lynch either mathcam or Porochaz today.
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Post Post #3809 (isolation #493) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:17 am

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I have the exact same reads as Bookitty FYI
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Post Post #3811 (isolation #494) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:44 am

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Juls I don't agree. Bookitty and MBL are definitive town. Yosarian is town. chamber is probably town but I'm not sure. VitR/OGML/GC/Porochaz/mathcam are the suspicious ones.
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Post Post #3816 (isolation #495) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:43 am

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In post 3813, Porochaz wrote:Does anyone want to tell me what Bookie has done recently?


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Post Post #3818 (isolation #496) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:55 am

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In post 3813, Porochaz wrote:I have disagreed with him more than most, and well thats what ABR views as scum so bye bye me.


First of all, I'm town. And if you are town, get busy helping me lynch actual scum because I'm not dying today and I have other suspicions than you who I will gladly vote for with your help. If you want to die voting for me, then I will remove you from my way, whether you are town or scum.
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Post Post #3820 (isolation #497) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:12 am

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My townreads are Bookitty, chamber, Yosarian, and MBL, from the least to most townie.
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Post Post #3822 (isolation #498) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:02 am

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Spyrex was with us every step of the way, helping us through the crucial lynches, so I'm reluctant to reward him with a bandwagon when there's scum who pulled all the stops to prevent us from succesing.
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Post Post #3826 (isolation #499) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:33 pm

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There is no room for an information lynch. Leave that for the endgame. We're going to lynch who we think is the scummiest, with no regard for what ties that players has, and that's final. I'm fine with lynching mathcam for today if we choose to go that way. Just make sure that we are lynching for the right reason.
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Post Post #3829 (isolation #500) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:52 pm

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Help me see Yos-scum from the end of day 3 onward. I agree with you Day 1 - 3 up until a tipping point where he towntells in many posts.
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Post Post #3838 (isolation #501) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:55 am

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Yosarian can't claim any credit for STD. That's nonsense.

I'll sheep Juls on this.

Unvote, vote Yosarian
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Post Post #3840 (isolation #502) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:09 am

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You and Bookitty are both higher on my town list.

Let Juls have her way today. She will be complaining for a long time if she's right and didn't get her way as a confirmed town.
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Post Post #3841 (isolation #503) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:12 am

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I'm quickly losing interest in this game. I want a lynch to happen NOW. The game is getting stale, the masons are prod dodging and quite frankly ever since DGB died, this game has lost all its fun. You passive old fogeys forgot how to make a bandwagon happen.
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Post Post #3845 (isolation #504) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:22 am

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In post 3842, Juls wrote:I'm not going to complain about anything, the people who have played this game from the beginning know more about the situation than I do. Sheep Sotty and undo before you sheep me.


Who, the lurkers? We would have lynched them if they were VTs for their lurkaderping.

The least they could do is use their vote to join a viable bandwagon, but they won't even do that.

Something needs to happen.
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Post Post #3846 (isolation #505) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:23 am

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Yos is very scummy Day 1 - 3. Except people are saying that he wouldn't bus LML.

End of day 3 to now he seems OK.

Unvote, vote mathcam


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Post Post #3848 (isolation #506) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:38 am

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I started this day with the intent of getting a quicklynch as we had agreed with DGB yesterday. Instead, we lurked, we derped, and we talked each other in circles without actually lynching anyone, and it's getting boring. I've lost interest. I told you this would happen.

I don't have any interest in defending Yosarian. I think Day 1 - 3 is scummy and Day 4 to now is town. Then again I thought LML was scummy, then he made one or two posts that I thought was town. Apparently MBL doesn't want to just let that go. I can't suspect LML and then think 1-2 posts are town for LML. I must be his partner. So I'm lynching Yosarian in that case, I don't care. I want this day to be over with.
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Post Post #3852 (isolation #507) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:47 am

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In post 3850, Juls wrote:@ABR- You started this day wanting to quick-lynch but not the person DGB wanted.


I didn't completely agree with DGB on the order, but the gist of it remains the same. Beats rolling our thumbs repeating the same things over and over.
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Post Post #3853 (isolation #508) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:51 am

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I sincerely believe that there's nothing more to be gained by more talking.

Now is the time for voting and hammering.
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Post Post #3855 (isolation #509) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:14 am

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What are you talking about, you're the most active player right now. I'm talking about everyone else.

The MBLs and the VitaminRs of the game. Just shut up, stop tunnelling, and join a main bandwagon.
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Post Post #3856 (isolation #510) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:15 am

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Unvote, vote CDB
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Post Post #3939 (isolation #511) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:35 am

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Unvote, vote Yosarian


I don't like his posting in the last 2 pages.
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Post Post #3979 (isolation #512) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:22 am

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Yeah, Juls better be right.
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Post Post #3982 (isolation #513) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:06 am

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In post 3980, Juls wrote:if I am wrong I won't be the first person in this game that's been wrong.


You will be the most important person who has been wrong. Better finish that read quick!
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Post Post #4011 (isolation #514) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:18 pm

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I told you Yosarian was town. Nobody believed me.

Vote: CDB


Speed lynch CDB please.
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Post Post #4014 (isolation #515) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:49 pm

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I said Yosarian was town. Juls was so sure of herself, she wouldn't even listen to me. Just wanted to do what she wanted to do without even listening to the players who were caught up, disrupting the entire thought flow that I had.

After DGB was lynched we should have just speedlynched CDB.
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Post Post #4015 (isolation #516) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:50 pm

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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post Post #4021 (isolation #517) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:16 pm

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I'm angry.
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Post Post #4024 (isolation #518) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:02 pm

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No it doesn't
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Post Post #4031 (isolation #519) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:49 am

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Lynch mathcam VitaminR and CDB. I will not stray from this course no matter what.
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Post Post #4035 (isolation #520) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:13 am

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Can we lynch CDB first?
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Post Post #4043 (isolation #521) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:08 am

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In post 4041, VitaminR wrote:Sorry Yos, guess we gave each other a hard time over nothing. I really thought I was in the right there.


You tunnelled like crazy on Yosarian despite no one else listening to you, and this is what you have to say? Sorry Yos? What about sorry town? Do you think the town deserves an apology?
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Post Post #4044 (isolation #522) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:08 am

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I'm not happy about the state of affairs.
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Post Post #4052 (isolation #523) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:34 pm

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In post 4046, VitaminR wrote:This is an odd post. I don't mean the asinine attempt at guilting me, but it's a really strange way to talk to the person you claim to think is scum.


It's not a guarantee that you're scum and you're the weakest of my scum reads, but at this point, you deserve the rope.
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Post Post #4053 (isolation #524) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:35 pm

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In post 4051, Green Crayons wrote:I'm still hoping ABR or chamber will let me know if they think they were a "thing" -- that is, perceived as a voting bloc -- before their OGML votes. I certainly don't recall, and it would help me form an opinion as to STD's actions. (Other folks can also chip in based on memory/actually looking this back up, but I would assume that those players who were directly involved would recall.)


No.

We were against lynching CES and DGB and against Yosarian's flimsy arguments against them.
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Post Post #4070 (isolation #525) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:52 am

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OGML, mathcam, VitR. No further comments from me.
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Post Post #4074 (isolation #526) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:36 pm

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He knows he can't get me lynched.
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Post Post #4079 (isolation #527) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:12 am

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In post 4078, mathcam wrote:As a side bonus, I also like it when ABR doesn't get his way


I never get my way. CES vs. DGB, I didn't want any of them lynched. When we lynched STD, I actually wanted CDB. Yesterday, I wanted CDB and we lynched Yosarian instead.
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Post Post #4081 (isolation #528) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:16 am

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He admitted to himself that he can't get me lynched. That looked town to me.
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Post Post #4091 (isolation #529) » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:29 am

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Let's kill CDB, I'm tired of waiting.
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Post Post #4094 (isolation #530) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:51 am

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Do it.
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Post Post #4096 (isolation #531) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:19 am

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Mod: I'll be on vacation from Wednesday to next Monday with limited to no access
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Post Post #4117 (isolation #532) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:13 am

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I don't care what he says or if he posts. He's scum. Lynch his slot with fire.
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Post Post #4121 (isolation #533) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:19 am

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VOTE CDB. NOW. VOTE HIM NOW.
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Post Post #4125 (isolation #534) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:54 am

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Behold...the wall of text meant to distract us from lynching CDB.
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Post Post #4132 (isolation #535) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:12 am

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I thought it was meant for me :(
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Post Post #4145 (isolation #536) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:48 pm

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hammer without a claim
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Post Post #4151 (isolation #537) » Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:26 am

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Was that the hammer? Finally, we're going to see CDB flip scum.
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Post Post #4179 (isolation #538) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:18 am

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Vanilla Townie.
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Post Post #4185 (isolation #539) » Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:11 am

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If there's a vig, he or she needs to claim.
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Post Post #4188 (isolation #540) » Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:15 am

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MBL why didn't you shoot me if you thought I was scum, contrary to everyone else? You knew you couldn't get me lynched, why didn't you just shoot me?
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Post Post #4199 (isolation #541) » Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:14 am

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Vote: mathcam
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Post Post #4201 (isolation #542) » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:15 am

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If he's coming back at all.
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Post Post #4217 (isolation #543) » Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:21 am

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Poro's post can be flushed down the toilet with the rest of his rancid comments.

The scum team is mathcam, VitaminR, and Bookitty.
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Post Post #4222 (isolation #544) » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:49 am

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Gut
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Post Post #4226 (isolation #545) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:35 am

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I doubt we have 4 scum left.
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Post Post #4233 (isolation #546) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:15 am

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What's funny is that all the masons had me as town and now they're all dead.
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Post Post #4235 (isolation #547) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:26 am

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Because your case is like a big toilet bowl and you're drowning in it?
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Post Post #4238 (isolation #548) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:33 am

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It's hilariously bad, Porochaz.
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Post Post #4239 (isolation #549) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:34 am

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It doesn't even make any sense that I would leave you alive during the night, and not pursue your lynch during the day. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

If you're tunnelling on me, I would either NK you or try to get you lynched, neither of which I've done.
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Post Post #4241 (isolation #550) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:31 am

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In post 4240, Porochaz wrote:Of course you are going to leave me alive, especially at night, I was following you up until today


That is such a blatant lie, I can't believe that you would say this in good faith. Die scum.

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Post Post #4244 (isolation #551) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:02 pm

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Unvote, vote mathcam
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Post Post #4246 (isolation #552) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:15 pm

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mathcam will assuredly flip scum.
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Post Post #4249 (isolation #553) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:44 pm

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Cool can we lynch him now?
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Post Post #4250 (isolation #554) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:45 pm

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I can compromise for VitaminR. I wouldn't mind, at this point.
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Post Post #4252 (isolation #555) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:59 pm

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We massclaimed. MBL are you the vig? Everyone else claimed VT.
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Post Post #4255 (isolation #556) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:59 am

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In post 4252, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
We massclaimed.
MBL are you the vig? Everyone else claimed VT.
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Post Post #4266 (isolation #557) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:18 am

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I really don't want any deadline extension.
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Post Post #4294 (isolation #558) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:24 am

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VitaminR/mathcam confirmed scum.
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Post Post #4306 (isolation #559) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:01 am

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In post 4295, mathcam wrote:ABR -- Great, that's two out of three. Who's the most likely third, in your opinion?


Already answered
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Post Post #4314 (isolation #560) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:38 am

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In post 4311, MrBuddyLee wrote:
In post 3820, Albert B. Rampage wrote:My townreads are Bookitty, chamber, Yosarian, and MBL, from the least to most townie.

Let me give you a little context. I just spent 12 days in the desert in the 100 degree heat, hit a deer on the way there, slept in a parking lot while they ordered a radiator from 500 miles away, drove home 1200 miles without air conditioning in the car, arrived home to a 108 degree day and busted AC in the house, and a tree fell on the house in a monsoon while we were gone. I haven't typed or thought logically in two weeks, and my hands and feet are still somewhat numb from the alkali.

Basically, I'm a minor shitshow but glad to be home and back to normal life. And surprised and grateful that I wasn't replaced.


What's the relevence to what you quoted?
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Post Post #4322 (isolation #561) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:00 am

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MBL, scum can always strategically position themselves for or against a lynch based on their knowledge of the flip. Attempts to sway the lynch exist in circumstances where the risk is very high to them, and so, they will stay off the mislynches as much as they can. Your method of scumhunting isn't logical.
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Post Post #4326 (isolation #562) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:28 am

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Just finish off mathcam already.
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Post Post #4330 (isolation #563) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:33 am

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Yes. 100%.

Scum do this all the time, more often than townies even.
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Post Post #4334 (isolation #564) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:27 am

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@MBL Yes
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Post Post #4339 (isolation #565) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:09 am

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Unvote, vote Bookitty
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Post Post #4342 (isolation #566) » Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:56 pm

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In post 4340, MrBuddyLee wrote:Albert, please explain why you think Boo is scum.


POE
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Post Post #4346 (isolation #567) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:01 am

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Four? I have three. Porochaz is stubborn and dull, and wouldn't know scum if it sat on his nose, but he might actually be town.
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Post Post #4348 (isolation #568) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:24 am

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mathcam, he still thinks you're scum. And so do I.
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Post Post #4349 (isolation #569) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:24 am

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Vote Bookitty or I'm putting my vote back on you.
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Post Post #4352 (isolation #570) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:54 am

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Unvote, vote VitaminR
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Post Post #4357 (isolation #571) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:43 am

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mathcam voted Bookitty too easily. He's scum with VitaminR and Bookitty will be re-evaluated after they are both lynched.
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Post Post #4359 (isolation #572) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:01 am

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I said Yosarian was town, Juls decided to lynch him anyway.

OGML/CDB somehow flipped town.

I'm in a hurry to finish this game.
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Post Post #4360 (isolation #573) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:08 am

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I never stopped reading the game. I'm not going back to read though. 175 pages is too much. I'm just running on my memory.
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Post Post #4362 (isolation #574) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:23 am

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In post 4361, Porochaz wrote:
In post 4357, Albert B. Rampage wrote:mathcam voted Bookitty too easily. He's scum with VitaminR and Bookitty will be re-evaluated after they are both lynched.


Translation: Minor Reason found for not voting buddy. Vote someone else.

Cool.

vote ABR


Translation: Thin reason found for not voting for buddy. Vote for main tunnel again.
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Post Post #4365 (isolation #575) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:57 am

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The way that mathcam voted Bookitty does not point to her as a buddy.
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Post Post #4368 (isolation #576) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:44 am

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nope
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Post Post #4411 (isolation #577) » Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:26 pm

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You're voting VitaminR with me?
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Post Post #4415 (isolation #578) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:46 am

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Yeah let's lynch VitaminR or mathcam.
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Post Post #4420 (isolation #579) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:26 am

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I'm not voting Bookitty, I'm voting you or VitaminR.

There's the time where you had like 9 votes on you and none of them were scum.

But I'm more sure of VitaminR than I am of you, so that's who I propose we lynch.
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Post Post #4421 (isolation #580) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:28 am

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Seriously, get rid of VitaminR, he's dead weight scum.
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Post Post #4433 (isolation #581) » Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:10 am

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I'm not moving my vote guys. Lynch VitR.
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Post Post #4442 (isolation #582) » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:15 am

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VitR's arguments are weaksauce just lynch him.
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Post Post #4444 (isolation #583) » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:24 am

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You're clearly scum, there's nothing to discuss here.
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Post Post #4451 (isolation #584) » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:22 am

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Everyone needs to vote VitaminR now.
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Post Post #4469 (isolation #585) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:57 am

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Vote: VitaminR
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Post Post #4471 (isolation #586) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:11 am

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I will NEVER unvote you.
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Post Post #4473 (isolation #587) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:25 am

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I don't believe you. AT ALL.
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Post Post #4476 (isolation #588) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:30 am

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The fact that you haven't even explained why innocents died the night that they did is just another point against you. You're done.
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Post Post #4478 (isolation #589) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:50 am

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Explain all the nights without deaths then.
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Post Post #4480 (isolation #590) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:09 am

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You ruined the game.

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Post Post #4481 (isolation #591) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:09 am

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Congratulations for earning the title of worst vig ever.
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Post Post #4482 (isolation #592) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:11 am

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You are, by far, the worst vig that I have ever played with in 8 years of mafia.
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Post Post #4483 (isolation #593) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:14 am

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I've literally never encountered on this site a vig with so poor judgment as you. You robbed the town of a kill for 3 nights, and on the nights that you killed, you gunned down innocent civilians that multiple players had town reads on.
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Post Post #4484 (isolation #594) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:15 am

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Now who do you think is scum and why?
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Post Post #4485 (isolation #595) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:16 am

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If you do not declare me town, I swear I will throw the game and place my vote on you right now and get this ruined game over with.
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Post Post #4489 (isolation #596) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:49 am

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It could be chamber or MBL. The fact is that we don't know.
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Post Post #4490 (isolation #597) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:50 am

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Vote: Bookitty
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Post Post #4491 (isolation #598) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:54 am

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Unvote, vote MBL
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Post Post #4492 (isolation #599) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:55 am

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Bookitty was attacked very strongly by STD, while LML said "I feel like Bookitty's bandwagon is incredibly manufactured, just like mine". I'm not ready to stake the game on my read of her.

chamber and MBL, I feel have got to be scum.
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