NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

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/confirm

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Town- Gameplay, tn

maybe town- TSO, Elyse

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^Town

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TSO because he's trying to figure out what we're dealing with regarding the setup

tn for the pl vote

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That he flat out admits it's a PL vote while the rest are like

"lol no gambiterinos for u"

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Oh

I missed psyche's post

It's okay because i'll just read all his posts are trolling anyways

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Where the fuck is my greeting from majiffy

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there it is

Okay you can be in the list for now

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fucking lol

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meh

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I will if the flowchart tells me to

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There's ns vs ns

That's always a fun battle to watch

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King: Majiffy

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Yeah.

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Scumhunting sucks.

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VOTE: tree

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Do you do anything but ask if people are full of shit

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Townreads are preferable to scumreads early on imo.

why are you answering his question towards me

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That post wasn't fluff, tree.

Someone asked me about if I have scumreads.

That was a response.

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No games of experience with him that I remember that I can talk about

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Majiffy who's blood is on the menu today

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Syrup is kinda meh solo.

Can I bring pancakes?

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You'll end up more sticky than the entertainment at a bachelor party.

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I already answered your question

see:

"Scumhunting sucks"

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I'm sitting on the sidelines because flowchart told me to follow majiffy

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Is it newbtown or newbscum

hmmm.

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Why am I not higher up

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pffffft

pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

Are we sure we're talking about the same person

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When have I even been scum vs you

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oh wait

it was fakegods game I think

pfffft I was obvscum there lmfao

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ew

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What the fuck are you going on about

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Why are you townreading oka majiffy

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How is that a town ISO?

It just reads as peanut gallery

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He's obsessed with people bsing things but not why they are

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That's a real nice quote you have there

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So yeah

he's town

moving on

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Majiffy I need some selling on Oka

the saleman who came to my door was kinda bad

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Click my iso

The answer to your question is easily answered a few posts up

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So yeah

he's town

moving on

I get that Gameplay's theory on a mountainous game makes it look like he is vanilla town. And I've never played with him before, but isn't it worth considering that he's scum who made this whole thing up to look like vanilla town?

Wtf?

All that has gone in and you want to play wifom.

Vote; texcat

What the hell is this post

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Hi Titus

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I think Oka tbh

Farside's vote on texcat was really bad

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Because I'm sheeping majiffy atm

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Because I'm sheeping majiffy atm

Why would you sheep Jiffy? He is capable of being fooled. I've done it. You should be voting your scumreads.

Not feeling particularly confident in my reads as of late.

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Why is texcat a town read ?

He's not a townread

But the vote on him just felt really strange

It was reachy as fuck

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Hey Majiffy

can we chat

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Farside/Oka.

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I didn't like the vote from farside on tex nor did I like the readslist she gave shortly after.

Oka I just feel ike is playing peanut gallery but at the same time just kinda flitting around not really doing anything

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And I feel like tn is chasing butterflies but town

pedit-

Yeah he's doing that and I think it's scummy the way he's doing it

Namely his focus on if something is bs or not without highlighting why someone would bs (x) for reason (y)

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meh

I have tree as a vi read

I don't remember my last game with psyche

and I could be persuaded for aero

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Let me run you down the two scenarios;

1) Town Tree
Gambits IC.
Garners no reactions, until a reasonless vote.
OMGUSes.
Gambit revealed as fake.
Decides to gambit again, despite first yielding admittedly no useful responses.

Motivation for second gambit: ???


2) Scum Tree
Gambits IC
Regardless of actual reactions, can either;
a) Use the gambit in and of itself to push self-as-town
b) Use any reactions to garner falsified reads that he can use as a leg to stand on for "scumhunting"
Garners 1 vote and no other negative reactions.
OMGUSes
Gambit revealed as false
Gambits again, because there wasn't major blowback.

Motivation: Risk-Benefit is in his favor for the second gambit as scum.

this?

Also @Aero

Not really. I'm not voting Majiffy any time soon. I'm not voting Elyse any time soon. I'm not voting TN any time soon. Probably not voting Alina any time soon. Not voting psyche any time soon. Not voting gameplay.

But yeah, I could be persuaded to vote anyone.

You're right.

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I'm clearly just sheeping majiffy

I'm not forming my own reads at the same time

Thank you for showing me the error in my ways

teach me more

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Aero/Farside/Oka

Okay

that's 3

How many scum do we think there are

(aero is a fully omgus read btw. Nothing else.)

pedit-

You said you didn't like his reaction to being voted.

I'll reread your ISO and get you your rebuttal either in 20 minutes or later tonight, because I have an early dinner and family activities tonight.

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Actually I'll do that right now

my shower can wait

pedit-

I can't

the short bus only goes so fast

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Okay.

So you think it was a scum gambit designed to look like a town reaction test.

Okay. It's in the wifom area. I mean really, with the logic "It was a scum gambit designed to look like ________" I can express a scumread on anyone in the game.

As for sidelining, that's a decent point.

I still think it's VI though.

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Yeah.

I'm thinking Titus is scum.

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Yep. Titus is scum.

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Titus/aero/oka/farside?

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VOTE: titus

Majiffy

Lend me your strength

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Yeah.

I feel weirdly confident in it.

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Not really.

But okay.

Pedit

A wagon on scum I a vaible wagon

Why are you scared to cross vote?

I find it weird you think you can pass off a bs scumread on me.

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Bawk

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Bawk

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Bagawk

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I think psyche is just dicking around

Shiny things majiffy

Shiny things

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No.

Titus challenged our honor.

Claiming she's not a viable lynch today.

This cannot stand.

In the words of the great Thomas the Tank Engine-

"CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKER"

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Yes she is.

If you believe

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I feel way better lynching Titus Aero or Farside.

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Yay, a shiny thing for me

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I think you read the wrong thread

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Utter uselessness yet better reads

mhm.

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Majiffy

I'll compromise on Tree

but Titus gets lynched tomorrow

deal?

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I can deal with that.

I really just think Psyche is distracting town though.

VOTE: Tree

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Put em back in your pants boys

Noone wants to see the waggling

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Yawn.

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Yeah I'd watch it again and again.

Kaoru's the best character.

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I think my favorite episode was the one that Hikaru/Haruhi went on a date.

You?

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You know what wagons would be really cool right about now?

Titus or Aero

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I'd just really

really

really like them not to be able to hide amidst the dickwaggling contest

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I think someone needs a tissue

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Although, I'd be apathetic too if my whole scumteam got called out D1

/shrug

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Funny, I don't remember scumreads on all you being dependent on reads on each other

pedit

^@TN

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Why the fuck are our reads so close

this is fucking weird

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Fucking marquis

Anyways.

Why are you questioning the scum majiffy.

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Majiffy

can't you read

Scum want to WK him

So let them do that

and help me provide to the blood gods

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Yep, I totally am

It's not like I've had a "he's a VI and lynchbait" read on him all game instead of a scumread

But you know, you're right

You've caught me

Damn.

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Nah

I'm voting him because Majiffy will help me lynch scum-titus tomorrow if I do

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blah blah viable lynches blah

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Because flowchart

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You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

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But nah, you're going to try to be my psyche

So whatev

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No I'm pretty sure that's exactly what eloping means

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My reads are all independent of his

But the people I want on my wagon are on his

And I'd rather not have to try and outyell him

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Role pm reads scum

You're more focused on who is bsing than why they are bsing

(Scum try to push lynches based on who is lying, town needs to not only figure out if someone is lying but why)

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I told you I have my own opinions

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Yeah but you should act on them. If you think tree is town why the fuck would you want him lynched
that's stupid as hell

Imagine trying to convince your southern baptist grandfather to go on a date with a guy

That's a cakewalk compared to convincing Majiffy

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yes

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I'm not going to waste energy trying to scream down majiffy because it won't work and it will just induce apathy.

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Okay.

Who is willing to join a Titus/Aeronaut wagon?

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But Titus challenged my honor

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Her stance on me is full of shit, for one.

Other than her just not sounding like town-titus, nope.

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that's not what your mother said

heyo

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Well, he is the dominant one.

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Alinas town majiffy.

I get home in like 15 and can explain.

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Also what Elyse said re Titus is similar here

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Yes shit

I'm about to explain why my reads are better than everyone rlses

I mean give a readslist

(I really mean the former)

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I know

But there are some people who need a reality check

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Oooh is it me?

Nah, scum like you have reasons for shitty reads

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It's a game about getting your scumreads lynched

By voting someone to help a townread, said townread helps me

I scratch his back

He scratches mine

But nice try though.

I'm eagerly awaiting your push on me. Way I see it, scum are going to try to do here what scum did in Tales and get the people suspecting them lynched.

Fun.

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One vote plus the full force of his yelling

So

Yep!

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Too scummy to be scum is a bad way to read someone gameplay

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I'm going to play some minecraft.

I'll post my wall when I get back, it's about 70% done

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I closed chrome and forgot to save it as a draft.

fuck,

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VOTE: aero

btw

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1. The Light- scum based on tonality/shitty reads
2. farside22- scum based on a really weird readslist to try and look busy and a shitty push on texcat to get off an elyse push
3. Majiffy- town based on paranoia re: me of a past game I beat him in, scum him could just buddy the fuck out of me and get by
4. PeregrineV- dunno
5. Reinoe- dunno
6. alina- town for her "ns you're a fucking dumbass" attitude and knowing when it was pointless to stop
7. mirhawk- town for trying to draw parallels with past games and not just "lol u scum" re: me but actually asking stuff before he got the read
8. T S O- town because of reinoe push and not using suspicion of me for an easy wagon
9. AERONAUT- Opportunism, people he wants dead consisted of tree and 2 sheep and oka, weird interaction re:tree, etc
10. notscience- Obvtown
11. Aegor- town because gut
12. Shaddowez- who teh fuck is this
13. RoyalApe- who thte fuck is this
14. tn5421- town based on the batshit angle he tried to use to push titus
15. gameplay506- town based on the whole knowledge shtick and asking wake and yada yada
16. tree- VI
17. texcat- newbtown not sure how to get involved, paranoia re:gameplay
18. Psyche- town for the dickwaggling and pointing out logical errors as such and not as scummy
19. OkaPoka- scum based on the Bs angle I've already discussed
20. Elyse- town based on similar reads to mine for similar reasonings
21. Josh_B- town based on tunneling to provide something to do in the game

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Titus is scum.

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Tree, most of your posts are fluff. And no, we're not still all messing around after 11 pages. Even if we were, someone claiming IC is something we'd all take seriously.

Also, I'd just like to mention that Wake's vote counts are amazing and awesome. That is all.

^

The whole "claiming IC is something we'd all take seriously"

Sounds like you're trying to play big brother and speak for everyone, and just ends up sounding like coaching.

Your reasonings behind wanting oka and tree dead are-

You think Oka is soloscum (which only groupscum look for on D1 in the first place)

and

Tree for information.

Aka, one of these you think is a third party because your scumteam is weak, the other you expect to flip town and don't want bad light after the lynch.

As for your vote being opportunistic, you voted FOR INFORMATION and because you find him useless. Yet, rather than do this earlier youve been doing what- exactly? Oh, right. Pursuing sheep. See, Mirhawk voted because he knew majiffy wouldn't shut up about it unless he ate rope. (funny, this is exactly why I was voting tree, and you didn't care then?)

pedit

nope.jpeg

Bring it on chucklefuck

I've yelled down scarier than you

You're like the level 1 tutorial monster

I'm the motherfucking raid boss

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But really, rather than highlight that I in fact voted for the same reason as mirhawk (which is supposedly the same as your vote too) you just ignored that.

Some contradiction

pedit-

WELCOME TO THE PLATOON

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Yep

I'm the badass with the cigar plowing down the frontline not giving a fuck

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Yeah that movie was fantastic.

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Here I'm just wondering what Titus was dealing to the scumteam

To think they can mislynch me

Like holy fuck

must be some strong shit

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You see

the above post reeks of

"fuck, I can't outargue him"

And I'm not hiding behind him, else I would have just said "lol talk to jiffy"

But nice try

Also, if I've "scumslipped" as you say, and seeing as the leader of the tree wagon is no longer, ya know, leading a tree wagon, doesn't it make more sense to vote me, the person you claim to have scumslipped?

Also, only the reads I wanted to give?

The people I said "dunno" about are A) a lurker and B) someone who plays insanely antitown and I've only played with once where I died 30 min into D2.

The "who are they" are lurkers who I don't even remember beingin this game.

But sure, they're totally my scumteam.

This is a scumclaim

Come and get me.

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"I really don't want to lynch you"

but if I'm scum, wouldn't that mean I want to lynch you?

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Nope

You're dying today

And when you flip scum

Titus dies tomorrow

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Highlight the steady stream of bullshit, please.

i want concise points.

Direct quotes.

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AKA

"i'm fucked, I give up"

Thank you have a nice life

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K yeah

Ape is town

pedit-

Teh weird interaction was the top of it.

But, okay.

I didn't refuse to answer your question, nice try though.

And for someone so sick of scum being in charge of this game, you sure had no problem joining a wagon lead by "scum" before!

pedit-

I'll call myself it again

I am scum

You still aren't lynching me

Hell, you're too scared to even vote me

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Yep.

What are you going to do about it?

Oh, right.

Call me scum, then t ry to AtE your way out, then go back to calling me scum, all while pushing a wagon you said I was pushing earlier for an easy mislynch

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I have bolded it like 3/4 times in the past 2 pages

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Nope.

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^

Elyse this makes up for you m aking me claim SK :>

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So basically

Do the exact same thing as the person he's trying to call scum is doing.

Why is this still alive?

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There's also the fact he AtE'd to his scumread about not lynching him

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Yeah but you know that post was town as fuck

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You didn't read that in town-sass?

I read that in town-sass.

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meh

Maybe.

I still liked it.

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Royal, do me a favor.

Who does Aero want lynched?

Why does aero want them to be lynched?

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God damnit elyse

you take all the fun

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The blood gods will feast well tonight.

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lol^

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Aegor's definately town.

Off a cliff, but town.

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>.> I'm pretty clear about these in my posts. The answer is you and tree. Tree, because he's anti-town. You, because you're scum, and making a joke of this game. I'd be alright with Reinoe at this point too, because
he's a fluffy sheep lately too.

"Making a joke of this game" How? I'm still waiting for the detailed list of bullshit you say I'm spewing.

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I've already done that. You asked for further explanation, I gave you them, then you said I didn't.

What motive do I have to get by getting you to vote me?

I'm a masochist, obviously.

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No, the aeronaut wagon should not fall apart.

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He's made several claims against me, and when asked to back them up has provided nothing.

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He's just dumb town, don't mind him.

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gameplay, why is aero not scum in your opinion?

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Okay.

Here are MY reasons behind it-

His early interaction with tree about how people would take an IC seriously. It looks like he's trying to put up a charade of being all business and seriousness and "alrighty guys lets get down to work" and it doesn't read genuine.

Look at his vote on tree. He voted essentially because Tree is anti-town. Note- he still thinks tree is town, just doesn't want him alive. It's not for reasons like my push where I need the people on the tree wagon to help my wagon so I join, it's just because he's anti-town.

Look at his scumread on me. Why is he scumreading me initially? For my sheeping. When I reacted, he then has to stretch and bullshit his way around my reaction. When he makes a claim about me, I ask him to give me quotes and concise points. I get nothing. When asked for reasonings behind him, I give them and then get accused of "avoiding answering questions." How is that a town response? What town- who is adamant that someone his scum and isn't voting them- would not be able to provide reasonings behind a claim he makes, a claim that apparently encompasses the entire thread?

Look at his REACTION to the push on me. First I'm scum, then look at his softclaim TO ME. His scumread. Does town softclaim like that to a scumread? No.

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You really don't want to lynch me, Notscience.

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You targetted ME specifically.

Everyone can see it, yes.

But you were talking to me specifically.

So, you're trying to abate the scumread pushing you by softclaiming to them?

In what world does that make sense from any alignment but scum?

pedit-

Gameplay, TRYING TO LOOK. Which alignment has to TRY TO LOOK

I'm going after him based on the poor vote on tree. There were other people on for a PL, but they have other motives (ie mirhawk to make jiffy shutup)

Yep.

It's AtE. It's supposed to.

Fair enough.

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Town.

I've said it all game.

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Yep.

Unlike you, I had another reasoning behind the vote.

but of course, you're going to try and twist this to make me look back so yep!

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Gameplay.

Which alignment has to try to look like something.

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Nope.

My reasoning is I need his vote and voice and the people on the wagon to help lynch titus tomorrow.

pedit-

Why does town have to try to look like anything?

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Nah

Everyone on the wagon would follow suit

but okay~

I'm done arguing with you

Enjoy your shit reads!

As for town-

Anyone who sacrifices looking genuine in their posts is hurting their wincon and failing town.

Note: I've been dicking around most of the game and still look WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more town than either of you who have been playing "Serious"

So, nice try.

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Nah

I'm on the path to victory

But okay, sure, you proved me wrong

Enjoy being on a counterwagon with a scumfuck~

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I'm a 1 shot global watcher.

Guess you can't wagon me now either.

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Yep!

I'm just pointing out the obvious issue with your PoV so noone with a town PM thinks that's an okay way to think

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Yup!

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Titus

We all know you're too scared of me to face me head on

But discreditst like that?

Tsk tsk

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I feel bad for you Titus

your scum role pm

:/

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No means no and drunk yes means no

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(It means I don't take advantage of drunk people)

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What don't you like about the aero wagon?

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What do you think of farside?\

pedit-

I'm not avoiding oka, but he's not my primary suspect of the day.

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@tn- I've repeatedly been asked for reasons why I'm voting him and have given them. Don't just quote the "naked" vote and pretend there is nothing else behind it.

@Alina- Derp? Really? Bite me.

@Psyche- Bite me.

@TSO- Why are you looking the most sane this game? Don't we normally butt heads >.>

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@Titus I've done more than sheep Majffy this game, any particular reason you're still going on about that?

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The fact you aren't reading the game is highlighted by you aying I have no reasoning and the fact that you made my logic look "shitty" when in reality you did nothing but give your stance on it.

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aka

I know it's right and I can't bullshit a refutation

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It's not rolefishing when you've plastered taht you have a role all over the game

It's antitown wifom now to keep it hidden.

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Elyse what did you think of drunktitus

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Hypothetical.

There's a scum

Let's just call him Aeronaut

He softclaims a role.

We make him claim

He claims tracker.

Now, we have a townie, lets just call him jimmy

Jimmy's a tracker and CCs him

We have confscum now!

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Where have I said tree is scum Titus

quote me on that.

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so you aren't conftown

:s

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if you don't like it you can just shut the fuck up because your opinion is invalid.

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I'm voting him to get Majiffy to help me

Nice try though~

Really titus, I'm appalled. I though scum-you would realize that you can't pick a fight with me.

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Did this happen, or are you still just trying to get Aeronaut to claim?

Just trying to get the scum to fakeclaim so he cant' keep hiding behind it as a reason to avoid pressure

[notscience]

Better try to lynch us then!

Oh wait, that requires decent reasoning

which you don;t have

/shrug

[notscience]

What thread is this?

I must be reading the wrong one then

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oh my god

fucking lol

I think I know what's going on

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They're in a hood together, and then Aero claimed RB in there.

That caused the early turmoil re:gameplay having inside info and it's why he's being annoying now

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iirc that's what gameplay was going on about early

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I'm not saying it does.

If anything, it makes it worse.

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I think everyone is in an neighborhood.

Click gaempaly's iso

and CTRL F neighborhood

Then come back to me.

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tADAH

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Yay

ns is so smart

swoon

ns have my babies

yay

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Who else is in the hood

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If it's more than 2 people you obviously have scum in the hood.

Even with 2 you probably do.

So.

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What's the matter?

Scared they look more town than you?

[notscience]

The fact he claimed in a hood with more than just 1 other person is a scumclaim.

[notscience]

Nope!

Scum claim in their hoods for towncred all the time, genius.

[notscience]

See:

FEA with whoever neighborized bulbafenix

See:

Alice, namely Konowa

[notscience]

Go look up neighborhood on the Wiki gameplay.

I'll wait.

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Yep.

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Add gameplay to your townlist Majiffy.

He's dumb, but he's town.

pedit-

If you're the last neighbor and you don't out yourself in your next post you're getting quicklynched when you do.

No questions asked.

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The urge to hydraslip this game is so strong

holy shit

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Nope.

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You say while not voting me titus

pedit-

Come on titus, you're boring me.