NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Marquis]

yeah i need to trim my alt list because i'm getting too lazy to change logins so i might as well cut this obvious one loose

@mod: replace tree with marquis

to prove it i will make tree's avatar dance

[Marquis]

[Marquis]

god bless u old friend

[Marquis]

yeah so anyway

scumreads on me? invalid

texcat scumlynch? totally valid

let's do it

prime rib cuts activate

[Marquis]

i like you too

[Marquis]

we cool

[Marquis]

thats lame man

you should be pushing for my nonlynch

we all know i'm town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Marquis]

you guys are practically baiting me into arguing that my scumgame is good ∴ you can't trust me here

this is bittersweet i guess

[Marquis]

farside was pretty obvtown

idk about muffin rn but my farside read stays prettttttty solid

[Marquis]

the case on me is basically "he gambitted twice" when

1) the first was less of a gambit and more of an i'm bored somebody make me feel in the loop
2) it's scummy!!!! lolwhatno

the case on texcat is

1)

sheep marquis

oh shit i wasn't even looking reinoe and tn are on this wagon

UNVOTE:

pedit lol @ that link

farside and i were scum together because we had mutual strong townreads

also people keep trying to chain/associate psyche and i also because of mutual strong townreads

let's just completely deny the existence of the term "townbloc" and assume {farside-muffin/psyche/tree-marquis/...} are a scumteam because we have townreads on each other and are actually bothering to defend those townreads

[Marquis]

OkaPoka (6): Aeronaut, Alina, Elyse, RoyalApe, Gameplay506, Psyche
texcat (5): Aegor, reinoe, Mirhawk, Marquis, tn5421
tree (4): Josh_B, Majiffy, texcat, OkaPoka

none of these wagons appeal to me

oka wagon composition is good but i keep thinking he's just horrifically bad/tunnelly town

texcat lynch itself is good but then you have a really shitty wagon between reinoe/tn and possibly mirhawk related to his earlier voting dance around me

as for the third well take
a
fuckign guess

[Marquis]

but i
need
to remind myself

that just because someone's
read
on
me
is wrong,

it does
not
mean that their
read
on
me
is also wrong

[Marquis]

VOTE: texcat

best wagon

psyche and muffin should help me mislynch this eternal glory scumteam for the

[Marquis]

i
messed
that
up

"
it does
not
mean that their
read
on
another
is also wrong
"

[Marquis]

trust me muffin please this is like titus and aero except more accurate

[Marquis]

oops screwed the quote up

Also I thought alts weren't allowed in Normal games?

they're not

[Marquis]

oh misread that

hydrae aren't*

as for alts i don't remember but i'm pretty sure the context of that quote had to do with people correctly guessing my identity and me trying to give a not-so-subtle non-response response

[Marquis]

farside was obvtown because she was thinking and actively throwing those thoughts and reads out there.

[Marquis]

i like aero's oka point less than elyse's oka point

[Marquis]

where is this textbook on newbscum and how much must i pay to read it

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

0

[Marquis]

,,,
,
,
,
,
,
that's so bad it's good

[Marquis]

texcat is the only wagon likely to flip with scum

[Marquis]

,,,
,
,
,
,
,
that's so bad it's good

referring to "crumb" and claim

[Marquis]

luckily for you i want to lynch texcat more than i think your 2494 is a big pile of doduo poop

[Marquis]

jesus fucking christ does nobody in this game know the difference between facts and ideas

[Marquis]

^

well i was a pr, so I knew gameplay was lying...

[Marquis]

this is so bullshit because he's more than likely town
it goes with his reasons for scumreading me exactly
I am so done with mafia

[Marquis]

If he got a Vanilla Townie/Neighbor role pm I don't see how there is any contradiction at all

ugh

oka it is between you and texcat right now. If your vote isn't on one of those slots I am considering you effectively useless.

[Marquis]

Neighbor can be a modifier not the role for some mods/players.

[Marquis]

im too tired to explain anything, i'll give it one last shot.

Gameplay speculates on the settup, he thinks it is mountainous.

having vt role w/ neighbor addon = can still assume mountainous

He has info that is bannable,

my assumption is that he misunderstood rules regarding out-of-thread contact/information. he's new. nbd.

and info that leads him to thinking it is mountainous.

see above

However he talks to wake and reveals it is not mountainous.

well to run a mountainous large normal you'd have to let ppl know that it's mountainout. wake would have to confirm it isn't.

Which confuses me greatly.

not sure how, and even so it's not scummy.

town newb gameplay is more likely from how he rambled on about the bannable part, also

[Marquis]

me neither

it's gone scum -> town -> slightlyscum

as i've said i just really really need to lynch texcat

like titus needs to lynch aero

but i need this more

[Marquis]

note2self mir town

[Marquis]

muffin how viable is a shaddowez quickwagon

I still want texcat lynch but I can compromise on that

[Marquis]

ns dont make me want to tunnel u again

[Marquis]

tree doesn't exist

aero isn't getting lynched today

psyche is town

[Marquis]

luckily for all of us, if oka and aero really are both town oka's claim allows scum to narrow down which one to roleblock/jailkeep/w.e and which one to kill!

[Marquis]

VOTE: pv

[Marquis]

VOTE: aegor

[Marquis]

This wagon is led by my townreads

I'm not too sure of the destination

But it feels like fun!

[Marquis]

can we lynch pv now

[Marquis]

i don't think he would fakeclaim it and i still want to lynch texcat

VOTE: texcat

titus how you're continuing to ignore this lynch is bothering the heckie out of me

[Marquis]

too many pr claims

[Marquis]

also site meta is that vt claims at l-2/1 are almost always just then instalynched, especially in cases like this with deadline so close

how the complete opposite happened here now that i think about it is kind of, no actually really, really weird

[Marquis]

these recent posts also remind me of aegor in [redacted] before he was [redacted] and the whole time i was [redacted] and already knew

[Marquis]

actually my first impression when i read that in the beginning was that wake added that to account not only for double doctors but for situations like this too (the main scenario in my head was town doctor + town jk, but same idea)

[Marquis]

jesus fuck misreps are all you do huh

[Marquis]

All of that is ultimately irrelevant and

probably seems like me trying to defend my fakeclaim

.

you even quoted the context

it's a from-another-POV sentence

how was that not clear

[Marquis]

aegor is not dumb

it's one false "scumslip" in a sea of towntells

ignore everything until you see something that fits your narrow POV!!

[Marquis]

hi titus i'd appreciate if you stopped extrapolating off of incorrect/unproven logic

this is how you get a pool of like 7 scumreads, with only 1 correct just because of the wrong reasons

[Marquis]

"aegor is not dumb" is something i was thinking before you said that, believe it or not. you guys calling that out as a scumtell is contingent on the idea that aegor's 6 years on the site has only resulted in a completely incompetent scumplay

[Marquis]

ignore everything until you see something that fits your narrow POV!!

You're ignoring 2703 where I defended Aegor.

that line was more for titus but i am acknowledging this

regardless, i don't think it was a scumslip in any way, and though i think you're town you interpreting it in that way so loudly upsets me because i think the amount of chaining-scum-talk generated from this is going to get a townread lynched whether people believe it or not- in other words, that you called it out in that way when i don't think it was a scumslip at all is going to bring up the "can't be sure unless we lynch him" mentality, and frankly i've had enough of that. it fucks up towns a lot.

i no longer have a solid townread on titus ftr

pedit if you didn't notice

i already said

i was only sheeping muffin/elyse/psyche

i specifically said i didn't know if aegor was scum or not; he hadn't posted for a while

then aegor came back and claimed and posted a lot more

his mentality regarding the lynch reeked of town

and the towntells are in there

you're an idiot who should not be allowed to use bbcode emphasizers because all you're doing is planting suicidal-town ideas a la inception

[Marquis]

marquis tell me who to vote

VOTE: aegor

because I see votes on him

not sure how to react to you anymore bud

i no longer trust nor am paranoid of you i think

sigh

[Marquis]

i just had a very interesting thought in which i realized i almost always defend the main wagon like this as town and not scum
then i thought i should point this out
then i thought oh wait people will scream selfmeta selfmeta is a scum thing
then i thought why is selfmeta a scum thing i've seen it so much more often from town than scum because a quick check can usually disprove selfmeta
then i thought if barely anyone is going to meta you and if you know your meta will clear you then selfmeta is your only option
then i thought damned if you do damned if you don't definition of mafia

[Marquis]

sorting through playerlist gimme a sec

pedit ugh

[Marquis]

CAN WE NOT LYNCH TODAY

2. zMuffinMan farside22
3. Majiffy
6. alina
7. mirhawk*
9. AERONAUT
10. notscience
11. Aegor
14. tn5421*
15. gameplay506
16. Marquis tree
18. Psyche
20. Elyse

I WAS INCLINED NOT TO LYNCH THIS EARLIER BUT NOW IT MIGHT BE OKAY

4. PeregrineV*
8. T S O
19. OkaPoka

I WANT IT DEAD I DON'T CARE ABOUT ALIGNMENT AT THIS POINT

1. Titus The Light
5. Reinoe

WHO? WHAT? LURKERS/INACTIVES PROBABLY, COMPROMISE BEFORE DEADLINE?

12. Shaddowez
13. RoyalApe*

TOTALLY OKAY WITH THESE TOP LYNCHES OH LOL OOPS THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON HERE

17. texcat
21. Josh_B

[Marquis]

OH I DIDN'T SCROLL DOWN FAR ENOUGH THEN

I TOTALLY FORGOT HE WAS HERE

PUT HIM IN ANY OF THE LAST THREE BECAUSE I HATE HIS POSTS / I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING I DON'T HATE / IT COULD ACTUALLY BE SCUM

[Marquis]

WHO? WHAT? LURKERS/INACTIVES PROBABLY, COMPROMISE BEFORE DEADLINE?
12. Shaddowez
13. RoyalApe*

TOTALLY OKAY WITH THESE TOP LYNCHES OH LOL OOPS THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON HERE
17. texcat
21. Josh_B

DEADLINE! QUICK,

TAKE YOUR PICK

[Marquis]

OH I DIDN'T SCROLL DOWN FAR ENOUGH THEN

I TOTALLY FORGOT HE WAS HERE

PUT HIM IN ANY OF THE LAST THREE BECAUSE I HATE HIS POSTS / I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING I DON'T HATE / IT COULD ACTUALLY BE SCUM

this is about josh

[Marquis]

CAN WE NOT LYNCH TODAY

2. zMuffinMan farside22
3. Majiffy
6. alina
7. mirhawk*
9. AERONAUT
10. notscience
11. Aegor
14. tn5421*
15. gameplay506
16. Marquis tree
18. Psyche
20. Elyse

I WAS INCLINED NOT TO LYNCH THIS EARLIER BUT NOW IT MIGHT BE OKAY

4. PeregrineV*
8. T S O
19. OkaPoka

I WANT IT DEAD I DON'T CARE ABOUT ALIGNMENT AT THIS POINT

1. Titus The Light
5. Reinoe

WHO? WHAT? LURKERS/INACTIVES PROBABLY, COMPROMISE BEFORE DEADLINE?

12. Shaddowez
13. RoyalApe*

TOTALLY OKAY WITH THESE TOP LYNCHES OH LOL OOPS THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON HERE

17. texcat
21. Josh_B

WHO? WHAT? LURKERS/INACTIVES PROBABLY, COMPROMISE BEFORE DEADLINE?
12. Shaddowez
13. RoyalApe*

TOTALLY OKAY WITH THESE TOP LYNCHES OH LOL OOPS THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON HERE
17. texcat
21. Josh_B

DEADLINE! QUICK,

TAKE YOUR PICK

top of page.

take this and run, we have < 24 left.

[Marquis]

VOTE: texcat

[Marquis]

There is no reason whatsoever to keep texcat alive.

The fact that several counterwagons,

several of which have led to PR claims

, have formed while the texcat wagon carries on without leading to a lynch should be a huge tipoff.

He has claimed VT. Someone explain to me how any of this makes any sense.

this was one of the towntells I mentioned, btw. Aegor-scum isn't this brazen

[Marquis]

ignore my explanation, push an obvious mislynch that most of the game is disinclined to go for even when

deadline is in 7 hours.

vote texcat right now.

[Marquis]

I love how people call me a lurker when I've been V/LA for the past 4 days. I don't generally have a high post count, and yet it's still in the range of some that aren't being called lurkers. However, I digress.

I read through tex's ISO, and while there are one or two posts that I wasn't fond of, he doesn't reek of scum to me. The Aegor wagon, however, I can get behind. He continues to push the texcat lynch with little reasoning, most of them time referring people to check his ISO. He's been tunneling since the beginning, and hasn't provided much to the game.

VOTE: Aegor

these are bad reasons to vote for aegor

this still applies more so now than then

move shaddow to "I would lynch them if deadline wasn't in 7 fucking hours"

[Marquis]

unofficial. [now with pedits]

Aegor (8): zMuffinMan, Elyse, Josh_B, texcat, OkaPoka, Titus, Mirhawk, notscience
texcat (8): Aegor, tn5421, Alina, T S O, Marquis, Psyche, Shaddowez, reinoe
OkaPoka (3): Aeronaut, RoyalApe, Gameplay506
Marquis (1): Majiffy
notscience (1): PeregrineV

this sucks.

notscience
PeregrineV

you're both online.

notty, I'd appreciate if you moved to texcat (lynch unlikely VT > lynch potential PR).

PV, I'd appreciate if you did at least something important in this thread. move that vote.

I want a texcat lynch.
Not an Aegor lynch.
I am not willing to give in just yet. I am not going to let a fresh and strong townread of mine get lynched today/tomorrow due to deadline inactivity.

[Marquis]

I am trying my damn best to save this town from itself. I am still upset with you, reinoe, but I appreciate your ability to work with me in this situation.

[Marquis]

notty, I'd appreciate if you moved to texcat (lynch unlikely VT > lynch potential PR).

still online. reason 2: your vote switch will actually make a no lynch 50% less likely. prove to me you're town.

[Marquis]

Vote: Notscience

Also thinking reinoe is scum at this point.

@Aero

- .......

pedit: Check out my supervote that read your mind!!!

Stop dicking around and lynch. We have 7 hours.

Stop dicking around and lynch. We have 7 hours.

notscince has 100 more posts than you. Quickly, give me who he thinks is scum.

PV, we don't have time for Q and A.

Titus is town again, paranoia gone.

PV- for this, especially the ns vote- moves far, far down in my reads.

There is very probably scum in {texcat, PeregrineV}, with {Shaddowez, Josh_B} being secondary unrelated and weaker scumreads of mine.

pedit: Ok. Thank you for your vote.

[Marquis]

By the way PV, if a no lynch happens today, you're dead tomorrow. I am only wagoning texcat over you right now because it's

there

.

[Marquis]

I also know Titus is most probably still online, and that vote would also be appreciated- no,

needed

- on texcat.

[Marquis]

I'm beginning to remind myself of mastin with all this probably unnecessary emphasis.

Really

, I am.

[Marquis]

You can't be fucking serious

If I have to go through another day with everybody yelling about each of these lynch options without at least one removed from consideration I would rather just replace out

PV, work with me here. You could at least

pretend

to be on my side.

[Marquis]

this

fuck

ing

emphasis

is

kill

ing me

[Marquis]

Reinoe, can I be in your hood? Mine has lurking

PV

dumb town and

texcat

....

Well, damn.

Might as well out this completely since scum probably already knows: I'm in a Neighborhood with those three.

And I do not think our Neighborhood is an all-town one. I narrowed it down earlier to {texcat, PV}. Titus went in and out of that, and ultimately is most likely town.

I thought PV was town earlier because in the Neighborhood, he looked like he was putting work into the game. So by PoE I singled out texcat.

But as time went on, it frustrated me how it seemed like PV barely ever did anything in-thread, like he was trying to hide behind the scenes this game. And it felt/feels like just a bunch of question asking with no followups or town thought process at all. Then this whole debacle and his stuff in the last few pages are making me almost, almost regret the texcat angle because I just want PV dead.

So yeah. There it is. Why I was so eager for a texcat lynch earlier, and why it becomes slightly less tasteful as I want PV's death more and more.

There is no chance of a PV lynch today, though. I wish I had more time and I wish I could shift over to him, because his refusal to lynch texcat just completely feels like he doesn't want to narrow our neighborhood down between me and him, since it's generally agreed Titus is in her town mode. But I can't because all of this is only happening so close to deadline.

Don't get me wrong, I still want that texcat lynch to likely clean up our neighborhood. But I'm now acknowledging that he

could

flip town, and if he does, there will probably be nothing bar an innocent result to stop me from wanting PV gone.

pedit so here's a tl;dr: I think PV doesn't want a texcat lynch because he's scum who wants to save the only buffer against his lynch in our neighborhood.

[Marquis]

i just checked our qt and well lol

PV in QT: "We need to hunt for the scum in here and play this like a mini game of mafia"
me in QT: "Well in that case it's probably texcat. you know what, I'll go for his lynch so we can try and become a mason thread"
PV in QT: *immediate post after* "Hmmm wait, I wonder if Wake would have

2 neighborhoods and 2 scumteams? or 3 neighborhoods and 1 scumteam?

PV in thread when a member of the neighborhood is about to be lynched: "wait! no lynching texcat, I think he's town!"

*also apparently has marquis and titus as town*

me: ... ... ...

apart from the sudden 180 when lynching out of the neighborhood became an option, this:

line 3: this was posted on the 29th. pv seemed pretty damn certain there are 4 topics/hoods. when was the exact number of neighborhoods revealed in thread, if ever?

[Marquis]

edit/addition to line 3:

PV in QT: *immediate post after* "Hmmm wait, I wonder if Wake would have

2 neighborhoods and 2 scumteams? or 3 neighborhoods and 1 scumteam?

also since scum don't have daytalk but we do here, we have the chance to hunt scum for 1-day!" *O_O*

pedit- I copied from first post.

[Marquis]

1 more vote in 6 hours please

[Marquis]

edit/addition to line 3:

PV in QT: *immediate post after* "Hmmm wait lol, I wonder if Wake is just messing with us and it's really just

2 neighborhoods and 2 scumteams? or 3 neighborhoods and 1 scumteam?

also since scum don't have daytalk but we do here, we have the chance to hunt scum for 1-day!" *O_O*

apart from the sudden 180 when lynching out of the neighborhood became an option, this:

line 3: this was posted on the 29th. pv seemed pretty damn certain there are 4 topics/hoods. when was the exact number of neighborhoods revealed in thread, if ever?

I don't want to jump too quickly and call this a scumslip (ahem >_> ahem), but it'd be great to have this answered just in case.

[Marquis]

Night. I still want the lynch through.

[Marquis]

reinoe that's stupid oka is practically confirmed

VOTE: pv

[Marquis]

an I the only town player in our hood

like seriously

that is probably a titusscum vote sheeping instead of continuing to push her supposed reads

pedit LOL no titus you can't get out of it that easily. which reads of yours are wrong and why? and don't say aegor, because your reaction to that flip in the hood was a single fake looking wtf post and you immediately got over it

[Marquis]

PV is a better lynch though I'm sorry to say

also majiffy hi please start acting like a player and less like a broken record encrusted in vomit inducing mold

[Marquis]

IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD

FROM MOST LIKELY SCUM TO LEAST LIKELY SCUM

PeregrineV
texcat
Titus

HOWEVER AT THE MOMENT I AM EQUALLY PISSED OFF AND AVERSE TO WORKING WITH ANY OF THEM

SOMEONE SAVE ME

[Marquis]

TITUS IS TOWN I AM JUST INCREDIBLY MAD AT HER.

MAYBE I WILL JUST USE CAPS LOCK UNTIL YOU GIVE IN BECAUSE I AM 100% RIGHT ON THIS.

PEDIT: VOTE: AERONAUT

THIS DIES NOW.

[Marquis]

TITUS IS TOWN REGARDLESS OF AERONAUT

IT IS A CORNERSTONE OF TITUSTOWN PLAY TO PUSH AN ARGUABLY SHITTY ANGLE ENDLESSLY FOR ALL OF DAY 1 AND BASE EVERYTHING SHE DOES OFF OF THAT ANGLE

I NEED YOU GUYS TO PLEASE UNVOTE TITUS FOR NOW AS I SORT SOMETHING OUT BEHIND THE SCENES

[Marquis]

Titus stop right now and move to the QT.

[Marquis]

shit I will brb

[Marquis]

If Aeronaut flips town lynch Titus tomorrow (after she posts at least once). I have made it perfectly clear to her that if I've misinterpreted the situation, it's her fault and she will die no matter what she's said.

I want Josh to pick one of Texcat/PV tonight btw.

[Marquis]

VOTE: aero

josh listen to my request plz hmmm thx

[Marquis]

majiffy is just being silly

titus is also being silly with her unnecessary claim

[Marquis]

u to hammer

[Marquis]

I derailed a wagon on scum

Please excuse me while I cry

[Marquis]

vengeful goon?

[Marquis]

Why can't we all be friends

please give me a link to your scum qt pls+ty

[Marquis]

M

a

rquis, your vote is a

li

ttle late don't you thi

n

k? Your pl

a

n seems fine. I'm thirsty, so I'll consider it.

"alina"

it was so blatantly obvious though i don't think it led to anything because scum could work around it

VOTE: pv

[Marquis]

scum might have been trying to crosskill, titus

sheep me btw we know it's right

[Marquis]

so he was whiteknighting me is basically what I got out of that, and pv reasoning looks like an afterthought having bolded the others

[Marquis]

majiffy doesn't read he tunnels

[Marquis]

psyche and i are masons can we please lynch pv

[Marquis]

Leaning Scum

Majiffy
tn5421

Elyse

Reinoe

... ... ...

============ Scum Lean ==================

Reinoe

is ... I don't even know what he is. Drunk is what he is... or was. He started out this game all Village Idiotic, but suddenly he's up and at 'em, suddenly ready to lynch scum. What the hell? Did he come into this game having decided to play up the VI card, but then when he realized that it wouldn't work, switched over to down-to-business Reinoe? It reminds me of his scumgame in NY175, honestly.

--------

I ragequite here because of a mentally challenged Sudowoodo. Sigh... I'll finish tomorrow I guess.

one of majiffy/tn is prob scum imo

[Marquis]

tn could be scum i guess
but lynch pv

[Marquis]

there's not really a good reason not to lynch pv

i want to purge him from my neighborhood

[Marquis]

pv is not a lurker lynch it's a scum lynch

[Marquis]

now now let's not try to pour suspicion on a slot whose role near-confirms him as town given the setup

[Marquis]

he chose me because i'm conftown/obvtown/stop fucking suggesting i'm scum because i am no longer a viable mislynch good day

[Marquis]

MArquis

answer pls

marquis/titus/pv/texcat
?/aero/gameplay/royal (i think)

[Marquis]

when were you confirmed as town?

when wake sent me a green rolename

[Marquis]

DO NOT LYNCH

Titus
zMuffinMan
Reinoe
mirhawk
notscience
gameplay506
Marquis
Psyche
OkaPoka

MAYBE LYNCH BUT FUCK THAT

Majiffy
alina
Shaddowez
RoyalApe
tn5421

LYNCH

PeregrineV

[Marquis]

order for each category corresponds to order in first post, not ordered by town->scum within each category

[Marquis]

MArquis

answer pls

marquis/titus/pv/texcat
?/aero/gameplay/royal (i think)

Gameplay?

don't tell me gameplay's not in a neighborhood because i'm pretty sure there was that whole outside info fuckery

[Marquis]

when were you confirmed as town?

when wake sent me a green rolename

also because I'm trying to tear this neighborhood apart to get scum between

texcat

/PV when as scum it only benefits me to keep my neighbors around as human PoE shields, i.e. what PV was doing

[Marquis]

Oh. I thought u meant game, aero, and ape scum

who else is in that neighborhood again

[Marquis]

(expired on 2014-09-25 01:07:27)

[Marquis]

IT WORKED

[Marquis]

i liked mir's posts

i dislike shadow's posts particularly about you

[Marquis]

ok fine i can do this

VOTE: shadowwez

[Marquis]

# semi-inelegant

a = ["shaddowez", "Mirhawk"]
b = ["PeregrineV", a]

if flipScum(a[0])==false and if flipScum(b[0])==false
return lynch(a[1])

[Marquis]

oka is town

aegor was town macho bodyguard

scum doctor's only purpose is to protect fellow town

no counterclaims / other [psuedo]protective roles have been revealed

doc + macho bg + macho cop = likely town core

pedit I buy it

[Marquis]

scum doctor's only purpose is to protect fellow town

fellow scum*

if oka is the only protective role claimed with no counterclaim, oka is almost guaranteed to be town

[Marquis]

Okra is doc unless I see another doc flip first or a CC. Not voting there.

not to mention, he even claimed before aegor did.

[Marquis]

y'all are shit
i'm out

[Marquis]

i'm tired of people making the same fucking mistakes and calling the same thins confscum/scumclaims/shit you're shit

[Marquis]

mayb if i pray harder wake will say he fucked up and gave me the wrong alignment

[Marquis]

I may be crazy but I am 100% with Titus on this.

Lynch someone else. Both Titus and Oka not getting shot can easily be explained by scum thinking other scum would shoot one of the two.

[Marquis]

reinoe is saying there's two separate scumteams

mirhawk is saying there's one scumteam and a sk

both are speaking as if they know it to be a fact

so what's up u guys

[Marquis]

did you even read the thread

[Marquis]

VOTE: PV

[Marquis]

[quote="In post 3301, Titus"]Marquis, Oka join me on Psyche for a wagon of win.[/quote
read page 127 because I'm not sure if you skipped it entirely

[Marquis]

tree if you're not going to play just replace out

Mmm, dat buddy mad that his partner gave up.

we are both town

No psyche it's okay let then chain lynches

In fact let them chain lynch you for whiteknighting me

I mean we both -know- the other is town

But we'll be much happier dead and laughing at the town

[Marquis]

...what the fuck.

[Marquis]

your bullheadedness only serves to help scum

how many times will it take someone telling you your play is the antithesis of pro-town play before you start to actually work with town and not try to lynch conftown

[Marquis]

oh look titus you got jiffy all aroused

fucking great

[Marquis]

The dead Macho Bodyguard.
Macho.

[Marquis]

I don't see why a Bodyguard would be Macho without a Town Jailkeeper/Doctor present.

notscience has pointed out it

could

be a red herring, but there's enough doubt in that that I am absolutely not willing to lynch Oka today; as I've said before, his reaction and QT play reminds me of [redacted].

[Marquis]

this is psyche being mad

[Marquis]

Is there a reason that nobody's disputing Oka's PR claim, but they are calling him scum?

I get the impression everyone's assuming he's a scum PR but I don't know why.

Might as well put a neon sign asking for another doctor claim. We still have a cop here yo. Plus, if another doctor flips, it sorts itself out. Not to worried here.

Join me on Shaddowez.

are you kidding me? a town doctor or any other living protective role has had chance after chance to counterclaim oka. they ain't doing it, therefore i am concluding that there is no other town protective role, and oka is the one

[Marquis]

no why would we

[Marquis]

scum don't have daytalk

this is part of the rules, but it reflects on masons too

i'm guessing the reason neighborhoods have daytalk is because they can potentially house all factions, since daytalk topics that are guaranteed to be same-faction can get really powerful really quickly

[Marquis]

well u can still confirm us that way tonight, it's a good idea

[Marquis]

VOTE: peregrinev

thank you

[Marquis]

i'm still hung up over

Setup
This game has a Day start.
This is a Closed Setup. Players won't know exactly which PRs are at play.
The game's 15:3:3 Fifteen Townies, three Red Scum, three Blue Scum.
There may be duplicate roles, and they can be either Town or Scum.
Scum do not have Daytalk. They may scheme in their QT thread at Night.
There may be a Neighborhood, or multiple Neighborhoods.
Roleblockers cannot be roleblocked.
Any role may be Town or Scum.
Mod is NOT infallible. If you suspect a mistake, please let me know via PM right away.
Should a Neighborhood be reduced down to one player, that QT link will be locked immediately, and remain hidden until game's end.

[Marquis]

The game's 15:3:3 Fifteen Townies, three Red Scum, three Blue Scum.

[Marquis]

from the queue
like aren't setups supposed to be reviewed/finalized prior to signups

[Marquis]

holy shit we both already said so

[Marquis]

like, multiple times

also, i just looked for where your vote was if it was still on psyche and realized

wake in the future it would be really helpful if you could order votes in the votecount in the actual order that people voted someone

bc it's important for later vca

[Marquis]

im gonna let marquis handle all dialogue concerning masonry

[Marquis]

in other words, he doesn't want to talk about it or talk to me because i'm pretty sure he's angry i claimed too early

[Marquis]

"confirm it"
"yeah"
"confirm it"
"yes"
reinoe smh

[Marquis]

no, i agree with part of that

tn is one of those scumreads that's sitting there but i'm not touching because there are shinier things to look at

maybe tomorrow or the day after, but it's not a priority

[Marquis]

no, i agree with part of that

tn is one of those scumreads that's sitting there but i'm not touching because there are shinier things to look at

maybe tomorrow or the day after, but it's not a priority

If you're scumreading me put your vote where your posts are, otherwise direct questions or shut up.

lol i just addressed why i'm not voting you. i mean, you it was literally in your own post right there

it's ok man u don't have to act strong for me. we will get there when we get there : )

[Marquis]

Actually I don't understand that argument in general. What do you and Marquis have to do with whether PV was bussing Aero?

titus is trying to argue that she and i are townreading each other and scumreading pv in our pt, so if pv is scum why aren't either of us dead

there's a counterargument however in how if pv is scum, he doesn't want to reduce the # of ppl in the hood, making the likelihood of him being scum appear to be higher. it's a long-term survival plan that works better than just killing one of us

and ns, no. go away.

[Marquis]

loljiffu

[Marquis]

so first i thought you were attacking me for bringing that up and i was going to say, "fuck you, YOU were the one who brought that up in the hood and the only reason i noticed it in the first place"

because i don't understand why else wake would say that in the queue, when both the setup AND first post were supposed to be reviewed for consistency and completeness at that time

all i could think of was "wake changed his mind about making that info public" but with the kill flavor (which isn't normal i don't think but that's another matter) indicating mafia + sk i'm just confused now

[Marquis]

nobody reads my posts

[Marquis]

i guess nobody read psyche's posts either

[Marquis]

i have to get to class now but

nrg changed the intended setup, yes, probably. but i don't understand if that's the case why wake didn't c+p the edited version

[Marquis]

our votes are tied together don't u remember

[Marquis]

so gameplay and reinoe are conf everything town

Variations

The exact wording of the Cop's result is not standardized, with the following options being most common.
Mafia/Not Mafia - This only checks if the target is Mafia-aligned. Werewolves, Serial Killers or other third-party members thus have implicit investigation immunity.
Town/Not Town - All non-Town players will return an incriminating result, even if they are benign in practice (e.g. Survivor or other third parties with nonstandard Win Conditions).

Guilty/Not Guilty - Non-Town roles return incriminating or non-incriminating results

depending on the moderator's decision.

this is a normal
nor-mal
nor-mel
nor-large-theme
mmmmn

[Marquis]

only when he feels threatened

[Marquis]

oh majiffy is scum

it's going to be hard to lynch him though :/

[Marquis]

notices majiffy only non-confirmed-town on my wagon at that point
remembers xmen when majiffy pushed the shittiest arguments as scum
remembers majiffy's "case" on tree
doesn't think my wagon was all town for the majority of the day
oh wow
why did i overlook majiffy

i wanna lynch pv tho bc hood poe

[Marquis]

but seriously guys when is pv ever this engaged as pressured town
he's trying to save a scumgame imo

[Marquis]

i'm fine with that proposal

so we lynch pv today

[Marquis]

preferred lynches:

pv (probably the scum in our hood, seemed too informed about gamestate / nothing here and trying to collect townreads in our hood / earlier trying not to narrow down our hood until i pushed on him)
tn (feeling the scum meta, similarly to recent open whatevernumber that feirei+caled just modded)

mirhawk place your vote on pv because they're prob a scumteam anyway

[Marquis]

ugh

what am i doing

[Marquis]

i completely ignored my own advice about not hunting based on neighborhoods

and i blew my whole not-a-scumslip catch on pv out of proportion

i think pv could still be scum. but with how he's picked up in helpfulness recently

i can do this now

VOTE: tn

[Marquis]

3 votes on him i counted
its been a while

[Marquis]

there's no way tn isn't faking his ignorance here.

[Marquis]

VOTE: pv

[Marquis]

27 hours please lynch PV

[Marquis]

Of the two wagons, I'm more comfortable with voting Mirhawk.

VOTE: Mirhawk

this slot is probably scum

[Marquis]

i don't really see a mirhawk case.

titus why are you so disinclined to lynch pv, up until the votes counted you were ready to lynch out of our hood. what's up with that

[Marquis]

Marquis, why do you feel the Mirhawk slot is probably scum? Reineo, same question.

Skybird, this is a misread. I have a slight townlean on Mirhawk.

correct and agree

[Marquis]

preferred lynches in order:

pv
tn
majiffy

[Marquis]

i still don't see a mirhawk case and i was reading some of the points he made early today and late d1 as exceptionally town

[Marquis]

VOTE: tn

for a lynch

titus mirhawk isn't happening. i am getting the same feelings toward that lynch as i did for aegor lynch.

pedit ok. i hope u know that there is a huge block of salt in my head whenever i think about u and ur claim being town now

[Marquis]

that's l-1

[Marquis]

link

[Marquis]

not liking skybird but also not liking titus not liking skybird

[Marquis]

i really don't think this kind of flavor is Normal but i'm not complaining

anyway

VOTE: majiffy

remove

[Marquis]

no she wasn't she was gambitting, she claimed regular macho to me (idk if pv picked up on it tho)

[Marquis]

There's two scum in Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy

no, go back to this and vote majiify with me.

the only way a majiffy scumlynch can happen right now is if it's strong from the start. skybird is not a priority.

[Marquis]

omg oka is doc. omg titus claimed cop and died. omg oka must be scum.

[Marquis]

NO

HE IS TOWN

VOTE MAJIFFY

[Marquis]

Skybird's a friend of mine, and is still learning the ropes. This is the very first time she's replaced into a massive game with many players. She hasn't gone through the rock tumbler that is Mafiascum.net yet. Please keep that in mind.

thanks for the background wake but this wasn't really necessary. a bit improper to be honest.

i'll be back in a few hours (hopefully) to catch up.

[Marquis]

SIGH

[Marquis]

legitimate prod dodge post

[Marquis]

I'LL GET TO THIS GAME AFTER CLASSES. SORRY GUYS, LAST FEW DAYS HAVE BEEN FILLED WITH WORK AND PROJECTS :[ BUT TONIGHT SHOULD BE OKAY

[Marquis]

I was just phonebrowsing but this is urgent: you guys need to know that reinoe has recently faked a cop guilty on a scumread. They were actually scum, granted, but I'm pretty sure that's just adding to his sense of self-importance.

I believe he's still town

The question is do I take this at face value as a "no way that could be made up" or do I take it as reinoe being supremely overconfident in a read

[Marquis]

no he's being wagoned because reinoe decided to claim a role that makes his claim unlikelier

if oka was the only claimed protective role, no you can't just say it's a "painfully obvious fakeclaim"

[Marquis]

majiffy is scum he is so scum : [

[Marquis]

usual/optimal sk play is trying to be a town vig with a bit of "if you're scumreading me then gtfo" on the side

[Marquis]

no. the claim was legitimate in the scenario that it was the only claimed town protective role, which lasted until reinoe decided to claim

speaking of which i'm still upset over how he didn't claim the shield role earlier on given that titus had an innocent result on him making him a potential nk soon anyway and since the shield claim could have saved us from a mislynch from his point of view

i'm still nowhere near convinced that reinoe isn't just pulling shit out of his ass in the form of a pseudo-fake guilty

[Marquis]

let's not talk about ongoings kthx.

[Marquis]

we're killing majiffy then we're killing notscience

[Marquis]

never mind that titus was a claimed macho investigative role and there have been and still are better targets for scum than oka due to how much he's been scumread

[Marquis]

even with the cc i don't think the wagon should have exploded on oka like that

the presence of two flipped macho prs, one of them also protective...

sigh

[Marquis]

i don't think reinoe is lying about the claim

and i think if it was a scum role majiffy would be alive

in other news this setup is power role-heavy

VOTE: pv

psyche sheep me or i'm not letting you be my mason anymore

[Marquis]

house your stance is bad and you should feel bad
more later

[Marquis]

not to mention you're supposed to consider "cop got an innocent on them so they're more likely town"
NOT "cop got an innocent on them so they're more likely godfather"
like ?????????? where is your logic
and not "not mafia", but "innocent"
(majiffy-scum was trying to push the former on someone earlier)

[Marquis]

so gameplay and reinoe are conf everything town

Variations

The exact wording of the Cop's result is not standardized, with the following options being most common.
Mafia/Not Mafia - This only checks if the target is Mafia-aligned. Werewolves, Serial Killers or other third-party members thus have implicit investigation immunity.
Town/Not Town - All non-Town players will return an incriminating result, even if they are benign in practice (e.g. Survivor or other third parties with nonstandard Win Conditions).

Guilty/Not Guilty - Non-Town roles return incriminating or non-incriminating results

depending on the moderator's decision.

this is a normal
nor-mal
nor-mel
nor-large-theme
mmmmn

Show me where it explicitly states that an SK not coming back "guilty" in a guilty/not guilty report is considered not normal.

consider gameplay and reinoe conftown for majiffy trying to discredit the innos on them