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[dragonspawn]

Confirm

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: egg

because I prefer bacon for breakfast

[dragonspawn]

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

we aren't that boring

[dragonspawn]

Actually I'm wrong I am that boring

[dragonspawn]

That's a rather straight forward approach ika. How about I do the same with you? Are you scum?

I'm hungry. Maybe I'll get some donuts. What kind do you like? How about the rest of you?

[dragonspawn]

That's a rather straight forward approach ika. How about I do the same with you? Are you scum?

I'm hungry. Maybe I'll get some donuts. What kind do you like? How about the rest of you?

god i want to think of something snarky to say to it but im drawing a blank.

no im not scum im town

I'm totally flattered but I'm not God.

[dragonspawn]

Plain old fashioned or unfrosted crullers. I'm diabetic and can't have the sugary kind.
Would have been a different answer 20 years ago.

I should eat less sugar food too. But I can't help it. This is eggs fault. Made me start thinking about breakfast foods.

[dragonspawn]

That's a rather straight forward approach ika. How about I do the same with you? Are you scum?

I'm hungry. Maybe I'll get some donuts. What kind do you like? How about the rest of you?

god i want to think of something snarky to say to it but im drawing a blank.

no im not scum im town

I'm totally flattered but I'm not God.

Ha, that's funny. Donuts with chocolate icing are the best.

bleh i dislike choclate i like glazed.

what about pancakes?

Buttermilk with butter and maple syrup. OMG, I'm making that for breakfast, sounds sooooo yummy. Maybe with a couple pieces of bacon. Oh yeah...................

Mmm pancake :drool:

[dragonspawn]

Vote: Garmr.

naked vote is naked.

care to elaborate?

[dragonspawn]

You guys are killing me with that food discussion, take pity on the poor person who's on a diet

*cough*Waffles>Pancakes*cough*

VOTE: Nikanor

if i had to put it into words, i guess i dislike that he said the 2v3v2 thing. his vote on wake looks like someone who spotted something odd and decided to do some digging to see how they could justify a vote.

You're digging even harder than Garmr. So you agree with him that something's up with Wake?

Well if you are scum it may be more effective to talk about food to take you out than gathering the votes. If not, then we should probably stop talking and just eat!

[dragonspawn]

house is town

So are you unless I've guessed wrong

[dragonspawn]

Dragonspawn does nothing but fluffing and so many players has gone along with him.

dragon fluffs a lot in general but don't you fluff as well anen usually?

I resent that. My flavor for fun doesn't change the fact that I'm investigating. There is a madness to my method.

[dragonspawn]

ok i am going to deduct everyones role by end of day 1.

starting with me.

This seems like something scum would do.

Going to seriously vote here.

vote texcat

It's hardly scummy to try to figure out roles. In fact it's precisely what we are supposed to do. How else are we supposed to find scum if we don't determine their role?

[dragonspawn]

also i will divine if elusive is town or not very early on starting with this:

elusive are you scum?

I'm town, yay.


However, this leads me into RVS Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
2. What is your second favoritest color?
3. Are you scum?
4. What is your spirit animal?
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:
sb
Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

1) other
2) green
3) town
4) probably a wolf but I prefer dragons
5) lynching.

probably wake. You can never know if he is telling the truth

[dragonspawn]

Shucks you figure me out. Clearly I'm looking for an opportunity to be blatantly scummy at the beginning of the game..

I mean it's not like I could possibly find voting for a stupid reason to be scummy.[/sarcasm]

[dragonspawn]

Shucks you figure me out. Clearly I'm looking for an opportunity to be blatantly scummy at the beginning of the game..

I mean it's not like I could possibly find voting for a stupid reason to be scummy.[/sarcasm]

Stupidity isn't scummy. Manipulation is.

texcat's vote was stupid. Yours was manipulative.

how so? Cause I'm not seeing it and I'd know

[dragonspawn]

Actually, House I thought texcat's comment was bad but I was waiting for her to answer my questions.

Also, @mod, may I switch to play in this game with my alt? I already slipped into it elsewhere and it would be simpler if I just had one account to rule them with.

how precious.

is his a claim at being the dark lord sauron?

[dragonspawn]

OK, dragonspawn is giving me odd vibes and playing differently than usual-more defensive for sure. I've been super busy all day and will get back to this game later tonight or tomorrow but wanted to have this noted in my ISO for now.

you say that every game

[dragonspawn]

Because w I will not be here sunday

[dragonspawn]

Because w I will not be here sunday

Trying to say I won't be here sunday

[dragonspawn]

I'm back but I need time to catch up and I have none at the moment.

[dragonspawn]

liking House, texcat for town.
Wake, elusive, dragonspawn look scummy. elusive less so than the others, just one post is pinging me, where she got her back up over the sauron joke.
all my reads are conflicting though. like, probably only one of garmr/wake and one of dragon/elusive are scum. but i'm scumreading all four. it sucks.
whine whine whine

i also just skimmed five pages so my reads are prob shit

Why is texcat town?

[dragonspawn]

HRMPH. UNVOTE:

We have 20 peeps in this game. Some may not know this, but I also played in NS's 3rd Picking Simplicity game. As for my state of mind at this very moment, large games like this tend to make me feel overwhelmed, lost, and paranoid as all hell. If we're going to get through this alive we're going to need to rely on one another in order to survive.

What we shouldn't do—and I know it can be tough—is get angry with one another. Don't raise your voice: improve your argument. And if you feel angry, try counting to ten first instead of doing something you'll regret later. Though I've played for a little while, I'd say I'm really not that good, and even now I struggle with trying to coordinate my move and get done the things I want to get done. Some overestimate me far too much, while others underestimate me too much as well and, what can I say? It's something you have to live with and yet another wave to try and navigate through. Everyone here—whether Town or Scum—wants to win. The best way for us Townies to win is to pull together and act like a team, otherwise we're simply making Scum's work that much easier.

One thing that I've learned throughout the games is to question everything. Another thing is that you shouldn't be afraid of criticism, because no matter what you say or do someone is going to jump in and criticize you for it. Just get over it and play—if you can. Sometimes the crushing constraints of time makes things we want to do impossible. For the newbie players in this game, and those who have moderate experience, please try to be patient and calm with each other. Mafia's not just a game of truth and lies, but also a very social and philosophical game where all manner of concepts therein apply. We need to work together. Being at each other's throats will not help, and do nothing but weigh the odds against us. The wisest thing you could do at the moment is lay down your petty contentions and rise above it. Communicate and collaborate with calmness of mind and an earnest—and honest—desire to discuss these things.

Now, let's get down to business.

Silverwolf

is that kind of player who, in my mind, has untapped potential. As with

House

,

KlingonCelt

, FA_Q2, and

dragonspawn

, they started out making newbie mistakes and are now, ha, pretty darn good. For this game,

I get the feeling that she's Town

, because she hasn't, from what I've seen, get angry which, to be honest, is something that I recall when she was Scum in the past. Now, of course, I could be completely wrong, and SW here, who has been nothing but pleasant, calm, and inquisitive, could simply be Scum with a newfound sense of emotional control. When you think of it it's quite scary, to be honest with you. But since when is fear not a valid part of faith?

Now—and it must be said—the matter of her 47 must be discussed, because it's a valid issue to talk about, and she has very good reason to bring it up. More often than not, as Town, I do tend to reserve my vote, because the matter of mislynching is something I find wholly unsavory, whether it be on my end, or someone on the end of my spear. What ought to be noted, though, is the two votes of mine she quoted were, by nature, meaningless, because they were RVS votes, and in no way were intended to be serious. Unless, of course, you do believe that Egg should be lynched because he's an egg, or that only Scum can be vengeful with their actions, behaviors, or abilities. Should you think those votes were serious, there may be more to you that I cannot reach a personal level, because it's nothing short of insane. Indeed, I fired two RVS votes in rapid succession. If you think that means I am Scum, I daresay there is a flaw in your thinking, and that perhaps those around you are trying to capitalize on your intellectual mis-endeavor. The point where that arrow breaks is where Silverwolf then realizes and acknowledges that, in fact, I have voted right away as Town before and have been conservative with my vote as Scum, too, as is said in 172. The real question is whether or not anyone can gauge my moody mood and know what exactly I would do as either alignment. For one, I feel bored, and am currently enjoying my first weekend off in over three months. Having fun with the other players by also sending out RVS votes is something I may just be inclined to do.

As for the rest of her posts

, I'm kinda craving breakfast and sweets now, and I don't really recall

dragonspawn

fluffing a lot in general. If memory serves,

Aneninen

is one to fluff, though, but fluff in itself isn't really something to worry about, so it may be better to look elsewhere. As for

dragonspawn

being defensive—per your 162—I'd have to actually see where in fact he's being defensive.

Your pointing out what you perceive to be fluctuations in the metas of others does ring Townish to me.

I absolutely do not like

deltawave

's

vote on

Silverwolf

, and, honestly, found the exchanges between her and

Egg

worthy of further discussion. I am not willing to vote for her today, and I am Townreading her a bit based on her current ISO.

Fair assessment. I don't think we are all going to survive this though.

I'm going to watch wolf a bit more. But it is looking like her town game.

What do you think of elusive so far?

[dragonspawn]

mkay elusive is 100% town. and anyone who tries to lynch her will be going though me.

How exactly did you come to this conclusion ?

she has played on another site with me, i know her meta and its not her scum meta

also VOTE: wake

How did you reach this one?

[dragonspawn]

Wake can you post a tl;dr version of that huge wall pls

idk flub seems like a smart & talented young man ready to take on the world armed with naught but his wits and dashing good looks

You can't take the time to read it? What if he said "I am scum" in the middle of it?

[dragonspawn]

Scattershot

(texcat)

———✹[/color]

Out of curiosity, why are you voting for Garmr?

(ika)

———✹[/color]

Glancing at 216, is buddying part of your Scum-game?

(dragonspawn)

———✹[/color]

A deeper justification for voting texcat would be helpful.

(Mikazuki)

———✹[/color]

You needn't be shy, Mikazuki.

(Egg)

———✹[/color]

My desire to not be read is found throughout most of my latest games.

(artistincompre)

———✹[/color]

Are you alive?

(Flubbernugget)

———✹[/color]

Why do you focus on House?

(Albert B. Rampage)

———✹[/color]

I like 166; more, please.

(Nikanor)

———✹[/color]

I know you asked nicely, but it's not so huge as you say.

(Silverwolf)

———✹[/color]

A flutter of curiosity struck me with your 206.

(T S O)

———✹[/color]

Is your Aneninen vote still set?

(House)

———✹[/color]

I don't fully understand your shift from dragonspawn to Aneninen.

(KlingonCelt)

———✹[/color]

Knowing you are a force in these games, your presence is desired.

(Garmr)

———✹[/color]

If you have a case, you should bring it—I'll tear it apart.

(Aneninen)

———✹[/color]

Would you succinctly tell me how you feel about House and SIlverwolf?

(deltawave)

———✹[/color]

Please post more. We like when people are social.

(Shiro)

———✹[/color]

If you had a Lynch List with three slots, would Egg or Garmr be on it?

(elusive)

———✹[/color]

Not sure how worthy Nikanor really is of being voted currently.

(davesaz)

———✹[/color]

Could we have more of your thoughts on the other players, please?

I'm feeling hurt. You didn't include me

[dragonspawn]

But, there are some players who I find more scummy, soon I'll post about them too.

Nikanor.

210 looks like a bunch of reads but in the last sentence he discards his own reads. The later posts are nulls and excuses for not answering (eg. Elusive's questions) and not reading (eg. Wake's long post).

Lean scum.

Texcat.

95 makes no sense, nor the "bonus part" sentence in 164. 167 answers nothing, 219 helps nothing, 253 answers nothing.

Scummy.

Deltawave.

One single naked vote. Need I say more?

Lean scum.

Dragonspawn.

Intentional fluffing started in 58. ISO him so as to find that despite he has 20 posts he has done nothing.

Scummy.

VOTE: Dragonspawn

I've done quite a bit. I've gotten conversation started.

Then I took a day off. What exactly were you expecting?

[dragonspawn]

Basically the main take-away is that I'm one of the best Mafia players to have ever lived. I'm full-on town, by the way, and I say that with 100% certainty. I'm so confident that I'm going to town-claim right now. With that being said, I am almost certain that SilverWolf is scum. This is just based on my gut reaction here. But the day is young so let's see how it goes.

~ DW

why on earth do you feel the need to assure us that you are town? If you are town why would you be anything but 100% certain?

this post just rubs me the wrong way

[dragonspawn]

Basically the main take-away is that I'm one of the best Mafia players to have ever lived. I'm full-on town, by the way, and I say that with 100% certainty. I'm so confident that I'm going to town-claim right now. With that being said, I am almost certain that SilverWolf is scum. This is just based on my gut reaction here. But the day is young so let's see how it goes.

~ DW

You are absolutely, positively 100% incorrect and your 3 post so far are scummy as shit.

Yeah let's see how 100% incorrect I am when you flip scum.

~ DW

how exactly do you plan on convincing us she is scum? Cause your attempt right now is still pretty lame

[dragonspawn]

.

I like the pushes on Nikanor, and not so crazy about their posts.

and how come you are suddenly not suspicious of me. That's a very odd turn around. Did I miss something?

[dragonspawn]

Egg townreading Deltawave is off. What has Deltawave done to deserve a townread? Even a bad townread? He comes in here, calls me scum, naked votes me, answers no ones questions, doesn't follow up, fluff posts, and leaves. Egg townreads him for that. In addition to what House has said about him who is someone who is has played with him and knows him, and everything I have said about him, I really think Egg is scum here.

House is full of shit if he's saying that he's played with me. The last time I played a game of Mafia was in April 2014. House didn't sign up until September 2014. Therefore we could not have been in a game together. Check my post history if you don't believe me.

In any event, I don't find it surprising that Egg has a town-read on me. I'm like the Shaggy of Mafia; you may not understand what I'm saying, but you know it's fly as hell.

the shaggy of mafia? So you are a cowardly, usually high, fool who has an unhealthy relationship with a dog and eats too much rather than pay attention to what happens around him?

[dragonspawn]

I'm feeling hurt. You didn't include me

Yes he did but the color is hard to read. Check again.

I stand corrected.

[dragonspawn]

Basically the main take-away is that I'm one of the best Mafia players to have ever lived. I'm full-on town, by the way, and I say that with 100% certainty. I'm so confident that I'm going to town-claim right now. With that being said, I am almost certain that SilverWolf is scum. This is just based on my gut reaction here. But the day is young so let's see how it goes.

~ DW

why on earth do you feel the need to assure us that you are town? If you are town why would you be anything but 100% certain?

this post just rubs me the wrong way

Unvote
I'll rub

you

the wrong way. What is your read on DeltaWave?

Scummy , quite frankly. Your use of the chairperson to describe yourself further reiterates that. Only super villains or insane people do that.

Unvote

Vote: delta

[dragonspawn]

dragonspawn are you really going to come in here and make a whole bunch of observations on nothing and say nothing? Klingon-same to you.

No. I came in here and asked quite a number of questions as well.

Let me ask you one.

At the beginning of the game, you were pointing out wakes inconsistency. Then he makes several posts explaining how much he respects your game play And thinks you're town. Do you think He was being sincere or trying to manipulate you into ceasing your investigation into him?

[dragonspawn]

@Shiro

Hey, I just null read you,
And this is crazy,
But here's my call out,
So change it, maybe!

Hey, I just read that
And this is crazy.
But I can't do that
So keep it, maybe


Funny songs aside, if you have any questions towards me feel free to ask

I got one, whos do you suspect is sk? (yes there is a motive for my sk hunt)

Not a question I was expecting to see you ask.

What does everyone think of ika's question about the sk?

[dragonspawn]

King - Hasn't done anything except jump on TSO. Answering he likes SK stands out, but I don't know what to make of it. Need to see more before I commit to a read here. Call him slightly scummier than my null pile I guess.

Kling is a

her

, please.

Anyway, I like being the SK because it's much easier to play as a Townie - I'm trying to kill off the Mafia too, you see. I don't have to deal with busing (I won't hesitate to bus as needed, I expect the same from my partners.) I don't have to protect any partners. When I'm Town I'm either a useless/weak Vanilla, or I'm a PR that's totally paranoid about getting NK'd. So, as an SK I get to play as Town and kill the hell out of everyone at Night. Good times!

I am Town this game, btw.

So KC, what do you think about the fact SW rolled scum this game?

dude-looks like you drew your favorite roll this game, good for you!!

That seems kind of omgus-y. House asks kc what she thinks of you being scum and you accuse him of being scum? Do you have more than that or is it really just plugs?

[dragonspawn]

Oh my yesof course I forgot this game is between u and her. How dare I question your read.

If I could PM her and ask, I would. But you know, that sort of thing is frowned upon, so unfortunately I have to ask out here.

It wasn't an invitation to butt in just because you saw my post.

..........

My guess is housed is trying to get some response from kc about SW. As you aren't her, I don't think he cares about your response. Nothing personal just how house plays.

Makes me lean town on house. Only slight town but town so far.

[dragonspawn]

Wakes 251 scatter shot would be a lot better if it was a focus shot in my opinion.

Game's still inexplicably young.

That I fired a Scattershot in no way means I can't or won't fire a Focused Shot, either.

And to be frank, the lion doesn't concern himself with the opinion of sheep.

Now I'm just being cheeky.

PEDIT:

I'm not buddying you, Silverwolf. I like you in general, and am pleased that both you and House—as well as others—accepted the invitation. If I WERE Scum, you can bet your bottom I'd buddy the ever-loving snark out of you—up to and including salted caramel treats and sweet nothings. I am a devilish angel and you

cannot

ever

be certain of my intentions. I will tell you that I like you, enjoy your presence, and—in this game at least—not Scum at all.

Doesn't mean treats wouldn't be nice

[dragonspawn]

PEDIT:

I'm not buddying you, Silverwolf. I like you in general, and am pleased that both you and House—as well as others—accepted the invitation. If I WERE Scum, you can bet your bottom I'd buddy the ever-loving snark out of you—up to and including salted caramel treats and sweet nothings. I am a devilish angel and you

cannot

ever

be certain of my intentions. I will tell you that I like you, enjoy your presence, and—in this game at least—not Scum at all.

But you complimenting me repeatedly and giving me a townread is not buddying but just being friendly right?

Well it sure isn't making enemies.

I agree wake is difficult to discern.

[dragonspawn]

Wake what do you think of ika and his sk question?

[dragonspawn]

PEDIT:

I'm not buddying you, Silverwolf. I like you in general, and am pleased that both you and House—as well as others—accepted the invitation. If I WERE Scum, you can bet your bottom I'd buddy the ever-loving snark out of you—up to and including salted caramel treats and sweet nothings. I am a devilish angel and you

cannot

ever

be certain of my intentions. I will tell you that I like you, enjoy your presence, and—in this game at least—not Scum at all.

But you complimenting me repeatedly and giving me a townread is not buddying but just being friendly right?

Yer darn right!

Good, because having been the victim of scum buddying and manipulation too many times, I'm building up a strong immunity to it. Friendliness however, I am always open to. And thanks.

Bad memories from the old hood?

Glad to see you are getting better at noticing it

[dragonspawn]

This page has a lot of words but yet seems so incredibly unproductive.

and yet you didn't add anything to make it productive

[dragonspawn]

Fucking library computer fucking shut off in middle of my fucking post and now I fucking lost the post. Fuck. Guess I'd better go do it all over again.

yes that probably would be more helpful than ranting. It happens to everyone at some point. Brush it off

[dragonspawn]

egg seems town too.

what makes you think that?

I've only played one game with him that I remember.

[dragonspawn]

dont see a vote on me from you.....

hmmm, btw i have a strong indication fo someones role right now.... the real question is which of the 2 are they...

figured out mine yet?

[dragonspawn]

WTF are you guys doing even talking about who has what role?

trying to figure out ika. Figure I'd talk about what he is interested in.

[dragonspawn]

SilverWolf, should you not be extremely paranoid about this?

and that would change what she does how exactly?

egg, I think wake probably was buddying SW. But I haven't decided if it's a scum buddying or a town, we need to be buddies to stay alive. Kind of leaning scum but he is so darn difficult to read sometimes

[dragonspawn]

Seriously considering switching my vote to Wake.

and a whole nothing is why my vote stays on you.

[dragonspawn]

Egg, thanks for the Garmr iso but I have no idea how you took the exact opposite thing that I did from each of his posts.
dragon's posting is getting worse and worse. ik nobody is gonna lynch garmr with me today but it's getting tougher and tougher to decide whether i wanna change over to ika, davesaz or dragonspawn.

How am I getting worse? Does me asking questions make you uncomfortable? If so. Why?

[dragonspawn]

Seriously considering switching my vote to Wake.

and a whole nothing is why my vote stays on you.

oh shit I'm so scared

I have that effect on people. But they generally have nothing to fear.

[dragonspawn]

idgaf about the Sk right now

I'm guessing one of the people obsessed with talking about it has that role.

I disagree. I think it's more likely to be the scum who are thinking about the sk. That way the can pretend to scum hunt without doing so.

It's a reason Dave is now on my radar and why I was encouraging responses to ika. It's also why I adjusted my unread to slight town instead of full town. I'm not willing to say he is scum because I've seen ika play scum and this is different. But I'm not ruling it out completely

[dragonspawn]

wolf is town.

[dragonspawn]

Egg, thanks for the Garmr iso but I have no idea how you took the exact opposite thing that I did from each of his posts.
dragon's posting is getting worse and worse. ik nobody is gonna lynch garmr with me today but it's getting tougher and tougher to decide whether i wanna change over to ika, davesaz or dragonspawn.

How am I getting worse? Does me asking questions make you uncomfortable? If so. Why?

your questions are generally either useless or framed to make people look bad (like the above). i can find a couple of bad statements too, for example your accusation against T S O that he did nothing that page, and you asking why people are townreading Egg because you've never played with him.

Well perhaps some people should stop looking bad if they want me to stop asking them questions that make them look bad.

And tso didnt look good complaining about nothing productive occurring while doing nothing.

And I have played a game with egg. He played differently than this. Turned out to be town. I asked for more information as any person concerned about an accurate read would.

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Wake88

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Spoiler:

Is worried that because he isn't being addressed\challenged he will be NKed. Is this the case? He has several votes or attention now? Defends Deltawave as misplay which I agree with (and offers him some sort of apprenticeship\training, why him?: P). Wake states that he would buddy SW and play the emotional games but he isn't doing it right now. A fan fiction emerges with Wake, House and SilverWolf and its very angtsy because SW likes to be good but Wake and House like to be bad.

Aneninen

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Spoiler:

Have you played with Dragon before? Many people here defend dragon's playstyle which I find odd and in need of attention to be his town. Although no one has hard defended him in this game. What do you think is the purpose or mindset to Deltawave acting a bit bratty in thread or drawing that kind of antagonistic attention? What is your thoughts on Garmr Vs. Nikanor? It seems like you think Nikanor is suspicious in those two, why?

ika

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Spoiler:

do you know my role?

texcat

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Spoiler:

What are your current reads? Who are the three scummiest players in thread and why? Who are you townreading and why? You haven't answered my questions and I suggest you do so in your next post.

House

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Spoiler:

Did you purposefully push SW to the point of emotional reaction to figure her out? What do you think about her role reveal (for example I think revealing as VT is bad to do because you let scum narrow down the PRs). Where do you stand on Klingon's assertions that SW fakes emotional reactions which SW refutes? If I were hyper paranoid I might think that the entire situation was staged to make it seem like you aren't all on the same team.

Klingoncel

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Spoiler:

Your voice in this game is more terse but I don't like your interactions with SW as she is my highest townread. What evidence do you have for your rather sharp allegations? Does SW getting upset at having votes on her mean that she is scum or is there evidence of this in her scum games that you can link to? In general, do you think scum are the only ones who would get upset at being voted?

SilverWolf

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Spoiler:

I'm sorry about RL stuff being tough. *Hugs* You are my highest town read although I'm sad about the emotional reaction. Do you think House and\or Klingon did it on purpose to get you to claim? What is the reasoning for either of them to push you so?

Albert B. Rampage

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Spoiler:

Why is he being so cautious and close mouthed?

dragonspawn

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Spoiler:

In my notes I can find barely anything about you which is bad. Why are you lurkering? What are your top 3 scum reads and why? Who are you townreading? Choose one of the other lurkers and question them.

T S O

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Spoiler:

I thought you might be providing some meta commentary on the oblivion of existence but you retreated into your fox hole. Why has Egg not focused on your for being unproductive?

Flubbernugget

- Y

Spoiler:

ou indirectly commented on Nikanor Vs. Garmr but haven't taken a clear stand on either (and Nikanor responded to your post assuming it was him you thought was scummy for the line by line responses). Is this the case?

Egg

- I mentioned directly or indirectly or the crux of your posts #269, #278, #284, #288, #292, #295, #, #300, #303, #315,#395, #397, #423, #536, #544, #550, #575, #618. Many of these post are to me or about me.

Your read of me is based on you believing that
1) In my few posts I only focus on my RVS quiz and
2) That I have no productive content otherwise.

Based on the latter, why are you giving other such players free reign and not also questioning them and instead being on my tail for so long?

Other players who seem to post but not have any strong anything: texcat (11 posts total), ABR, Deltawave, Mika (now Drixx), TSO, Shiro, Nikanor and Flubber?

Do you feel that being vote parked on me but not trying to really convince anyone to vote me or join you is beneficial? Do you plan on doing anything else?

Shiro

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Spoiler:

Your gifs stand out to me more then anything else you've really stated on reads. You want people reading the game which is good but I don't get a strong sense of your thoughts. You sort of questioned House for pointing to some "lurksacks" but not others, do you follow up on that?

DeltaWave

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Spoiler:

Why attract attention to yourself and be antagonistic? I feel like you're lean town because town can be brazen. Why do you vote Wake and what are your thoughts on other people?

Mikazuki (now Drexx)

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Spoiler:

It's a lot to catch up on, what are your fresh eyes perspective on the game state?

freeko -

However, anti-town is not the same as scum. In fact, let me breakdown my thinking about this.
Town can be anti-town by playing badly or stupidly or extra scummily
Scum, by its nature, is anti-town so it can be anti-scum but calling it anti-town is redundant
SK is its own category, I’ve never played with an SK although my thoughts are that SK could help town by killing scum? So it depends on the SK and how they play?

Nikanor

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Spoiler:

Who is the most dangerous player in the game, and why? What do you think of Garmr honing on you for so long? What do you think of Flubber passive aggresively following along or wanting others to explain the interaction between you and Garmr?

Also, I'm not abusing the rainbow text generator but thanks for telling me. Also the sad thing about not answering the quiz is we can never ever ever be friends. It's too late now.

davesaz

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Spoiler:

You've been quiet recently. You have played with about half the player list you stated, what are your thoughts on how the people you do know are playing?

Garmr

Spoiler:

Well, I have to say your focus on Nikanor throws me off. Can it be town vs. town or ? I don't get it. Yes, this site meta is different. I tend to bend the rules that can be bended in regards to strictness, I mean its a game so if its not fun and feels like homework then its been murdered. You've played a lot with Titus which is cool. She is capable of Great and Also Evil Things but still her awesomness is awesome. I'm more in favor of the unique to the by the numbers types anyway.

VOTE:

Top 3 scum are prob delta, Tex, and Dave.

Delta is adding nothing and I've responded to several posts of his that ping my radar.

Tex pretty much the same.

Dave is singing me be cause he is under the radar and mentioned trying to figure out who the sk is. Usually it's scum who are trying to do that to help themselves look town. Town doesn't bother to differentiate between scum and sk.

Not much I know but it's day one so what do you expect?

As for town, wolf, ika probably house and egg as well.

[dragonspawn]

The more I read Ika's early-20-page-ish posts the more FoS emerges, it seems that he wants to rolefish, which is scummy.

Albert B Rampage is a gut-read town, even if I can't explain it, maybe because posts like 609 would be soooo lame from a scum...?

House telling people to get off his private conversation with another player (yet again in 615) is a thing I don't like and I wonder whether it is an alignment tell.

Considering he stated point blank that he was trying to figure out everyone's role in one of his first posts, I'm extremely surprised you needed to read 20 pages to figure it out

[dragonspawn]

Where did I mention trying to figure out who the SK is? I did mention characteristics of SK, which are necessary to hunting one. And town should not rely on Mafia to do it -- hunting SK

is

something that town needs to do. It's just not any higher priority than finding scum in general.

How do you get under the radar? That's crazy talk.

Post 592.

And you are under the radar because few are paying attention to you

[dragonspawn]

Well perhaps some people should stop looking bad if they want me to stop asking them questions that make them look bad.

There is a big difference between someone already looking bad and asking neutral questions to clarify that, vs. deliberately phrasing questions to make them look bad. Do you always do it this way as scum?

I ask questions regardless of alignment.

[dragonspawn]

And tso didnt look good complaining about nothing productive occurring while doing nothing.

And I have played a game with egg. He played differently than this. Turned out to be town. I asked for more information as any person concerned about an accurate read would.

Sections of post replied to separately for effect...

Do you think TSO looks scummy for doing that? If you do, why doesn't he appear in your scum list? And if you don't then why bring it up?

Can you say something a little more specific on how Egg is different from the previous game? Plus, you say Egg is different from the other game where he was town, but in your reads list you have him as ... town?

I was asked for the top three. Tso is suspicious but I haven't gotten a full read high enough yet.

And I bring it up to make points.

Does it bother you that I find you suspicious?

Egg already said that game was pretty bad for him. I'd have to go back and find the game for speciifics. Right now I find Him null. But he is playing much more town than he was that game.

[dragonspawn]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

[dragonspawn]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

Okay. I'm all ears. What would make a good case?

Something more than unwise

[dragonspawn]

So im going to check house tonight, any thoughts on that?

Why not check me?

sk is immune.

pedit: i checked myself and i found mysefl to be aligned with the mod so whatever alignment the mod shares is what i share

I'm not the SK. Check me.

And how would anyone check that?

[dragonspawn]

House, the Greek Gods are so played out. I prefer something more unknown and ancient. Sumerian? Babylonian? Phoenician? Mayan? Aztecian?

ika, an Avril Lavigne song of course

Egg, what about "Did your ancestors do slavery?"

Talk of Greek God's is making me remember the God of War HISHE. Freaking hilarious.

"Prepare to meet your maker"

Thor: "Dost thou mean Stan Lee?"

Ah well

[dragonspawn]

have i said how much I love this current dicussion right now? why can every game be like this?

Cause some people think having fun is scummy.

[dragonspawn]

Didn't like flubbers vote at all.

[dragonspawn]

The person who instigated a murder is charged with Accomplice or something like that. The Murderer is charged with Murder.

I don't know what redacted held but if it seriously held a value then that is much worse. KC is not off the hook because it tried to use "backhandedness" to do the same thing but ABR actually crossing the line 100% is actually more so bad.

For example, you share you RL picture with someone and then you have an online fight with them and they say "House shouldn't even be talking, do you know that he's not 6feets but much less then that?" And then another person comes and states, "Yeah he's 5'6" The first is bad and the second is murder because they weren't involved in the actual emotional drama of it as a primary person.

Wrong. I'm glad you're not my lawyer because you've never heard of terms such as depraved indifference.

if you need a lawyer let me know house.

[dragonspawn]

I'd like to understand flubbers vote for garme better. It's a naked vote that just happens when the wagon heats up. That seems totally opportunistic to me.

flubber why the vote?

any other thoughts on flubbers vote?

[dragonspawn]

Freeko is still scum. I think he can be vigged tonight.

Tell us more about this non existant vig killing freeko

I was wondering the same.

[dragonspawn]

You guys started those on the new page:p

I'm gone Sunday. Will be back Monday

[dragonspawn]

Short readlist.

Freeko – Probably town

. His posts are about scumhunting; I'd be very surprised if he flipped scum later.

Drixx – Probably town

. He gives me the same vibes as Freeko. I agree with most of his posts.

Ika – Probably town

. My read changed on him a couple of pages ago. Either I'm seriously misreading him or he has a plan to f-ck up things for the scums. (I won't talk about it and I think it's obvious, why.)

Gammrn – Probably town

. Most of the things he does make perfect sense. His efforts seems to be real. And I don't get those votes on him.

Silverwolf's Slot – Probably town

. I'm townreading that slot and I think I've already explained this before.

Elusive – Lean town

. I had a townread here before, but I don't really understand her recent vote-throwing. Her post with the vote for me contained some reasoning but the Davesaz-vote before was pretty much naked.

Wake – Lean town

. Mostly intuition, I must admit.

TSO – Lean town

. The scum-TSO I saw in another large game was much more active and agressive. It seems that he's a bit bored and genuinely annoyed by dramas. However, TSO is not a player who can be easily read, I remember townreading scum-TSO in an abandoned game...

Egg – Null

. Sorry, no idea how to read him.

House – Null

. It sounds strange because he has plenty of posts but I simply don't know what to think about him.

DeltaWave – Null

. Previously scumread by me, but the more I'm thinking about it, the more likely I find that these posts are coming from an annoying townie or from someone who simply wants to "skip" Day1.

Flubber – Null

. Empty posts, little content, naked votes... normally I'd call it scummy but I've seen this from him a couple of times.

Davesaz – Null but FoS

. Nothing incredibly scummy, but he was much scummier in some games before as town. Although (1) I was scum there and (2) he might have changed his style too.

Shiro – Lean scum (?)

. I've just ISOed her again and realized that she's produced much less content than it seems. This is not a good sign. However, I saw scum-Shiro before and she was much more active in that game.

Nikanoor – Lean scum

. Partly because of agreeing with Gammrn's case. I don't like his scumreads in 1084, the Davesaz-case seems to be fabricated. Some posts are "funny-appeasing" style, eg. 1086, 1097 (last line), I can imagine a scum-mindset behind those.

TexCat – Lean scum

. Very little content (regardless of the fact that she hasn't posted in 3 days or so), she's so obviously under the radar right now that it simply can't be a good sign. Her older posts (especially that amount of votes, check it out!) are not town-ish as well.

Dragonspawn – Probably scum

. I remember scumreading him and having checked his ISO I've found... empty posts. I can see no reason for changing my read on him.

Klingonette's slot – Probably scum

. The fact that she left the game doesn't change my read on the slot. Things may change after her replacement arrives but now that slot is scummy, regardless of the things happened before. I've already posted a lot about it.

Albert B Rampage – Probably scum

. I've already explained this read.

________

I've tried to keep it very short. Should you have questions about anyone, ask.

I find your scum reads lack any real effort. All three of us are considered scummy in our normal town play

[dragonspawn]

Can I ask why people think flubber is town and why there isn't more pressure on this slot?

Haven't focused much on flubbed at this point.

[dragonspawn]

I'm telling it later. As I said, in 1 or 2 RL days. Maybe earlier.

To be frank I don't see the point in keeping things from Town.

Scum would

[dragonspawn]

Seems like a good vote to me

[dragonspawn]

Need to catch up. I'm just trying to avoid a prod before it happens

[dragonspawn]

Need to catch up. I'm just trying to avoid a prod before it happens

Such a nice Beetlejuice! Especially since you'd been not even

near

to a prod before that post.

VOTE: Dragonspawn

You're just upset that I called you on your bad reads

[dragonspawn]

Yeah Sainte slot is totally town

[dragonspawn]

Do you have any requests?

Anything but Bieber

[dragonspawn]

its justin beiber parody, does that count?

Parody is good

[dragonspawn]

You know, Gammrn, my wagon is an interesting thing if we take a closer look on it. Apart from Egg (who's expressed his scumread on me plenty of times), there's
– Dramonic (he's been keeping TSO's RVS there – TSO had never moved his vote from me before he left),
– Pisskop (another replacement who's been keeping Klingonette's vote, which was a kind of OMGUS) and
– Elusive (whose vote I don't understand clearly)
–– and there are quite a few players who're "shadowing" the wagon, like
– House (who was there before),
– Dragonspawn (maybe another OMGUS-like thing?) and
– A Royal Saint (who set up a theory first and it's possible that he's been adjusting all his reads to his theory)

I wouldn't be surprised if there were about two scums amongst those names.

I'm not voting for you. But I could change that since you cant even be be bothered to read a vote count that's a few posts above this one. Neither is house or saint.

So you aren't really paying attention and your scum reads are lazy. Anything else you want me to know?

[dragonspawn]

Yeah Sainte slot is totally town

Who are you talking about and why do you think so?

there's– Dramonic (he's been keeping TSO's RVS there

"Been keeping". Love how you say that like he didn't just replace in an hour and a half before your post and make a non-content post. He probably had no clue he was voting you. And you are using this to say your wagon is bad. Come on dude, you're better than this.

Talking to everyone. Or are we not supposed to address the other players with reads anymore?

As for why two folds:

1) he replaced wolf who was town as hell.
2) he seems to be playing town to me.

When I see two people in the same spot and get the same read, I am very confident in it

[dragonspawn]

I go where the momentum shifts.

And when does that work for you? Cause you almost always seem to draw a mislynch on you

[dragonspawn]

I can't attest to every one of abrs games, but everyone I've been in with him he has flipped town after everyone swears he is scum and lynches him.

[dragonspawn]

I will not be here Sunday

[dragonspawn]

I think until ABR actually acts like he cares about the town he's probably scum.

this is a horribly poor method of finding scum on this particular site, fyi.

Unfortunately, true.

Royal, without humor we have only madness.

I'd like someone to die today.

Preferably from this pool of people {Flubbernugget, Texcat, Wake, Shiro}

Can we make it happen?

humor and madness are very much linked.

I don't think I agree about wake right now. If he is scum w definitely need to kill him but if he is town we definitely need him alive. I'm not convinced he is scum yet.

I could get behind a texcat lynch. The others I'm not really seeing but I'm willing to compromise.

[dragonspawn]

Day 1 is silly.

silly can be fun.

especially if everyone joins in

[dragonspawn]

Day 1 is silly.

^agree, we should you know do somethign ab out it

other than vote and participate, what can we do?

[dragonspawn]

Please don't listen to ABR and lynch obv town.

VOTE: Texcat

Ok, Drixx let's make this happen. Her flip tells me something about Egg among others.

DeltaWave, are you good with Texcat lynch?

Royal, I think you said you would be as well?

House, Flubber, etc, please on Texcat - it's barely alive, let's put it out of its misery.

how is delta obviously town? He's been scummy all game.

[dragonspawn]

Vig delta tonight if we can't lynch him.

I'm not voting anyone but Delta today.

with what vigilante?

[dragonspawn]

So drixx was a goon. Who was he town reading?

[dragonspawn]

Aneninen,

In post 1338 you said freedom was giving you the same vibe as drixx and you were town reading them. Is he still giving you the same vibe as drixx?

[dragonspawn]

Freeko not freedom. Stupid autocorrect

[dragonspawn]

vote freeko

Looking at wakes suggesting that drixx was chainsawing for him made me take a closer look. He has been tunnelling abr all game. Abr is an easy target. Every game I've seen him in he is lynched for looking like scum and flips town. Now it's possible that abr is scum this time, but I've yet to see any major real indicators to make me suspicious.

Seems to me that sitting a vote on abr is an easy way to look like you are scum hunting without doing a thing.

Seems like a good place to start hunting today

[dragonspawn]

vote: wake

Hey a little xplanation about that?

Looking at wakes suggesting that drixx was chainsawing for him made me take a closer look. He has been tunnelling abr all game. Abr is an easy target. Every game I've seen him in he is lynched for looking like scum and flips town. Now it's possible that abr is scum this time, but I've yet to see any major real indicators to make me suspicious.

What do you mean major indication ? Abr has been all over the place

And that how Abr always is

[dragonspawn]

Going to be gone Sunday. Try not to flash lynch anyone

[dragonspawn]

I could totally see Drixx, ARS, House and {Someone Else} as a team.

I don't see that at all. The ARS slot has been ringing town to me all game. When two players in the same slot play town i tend to be comfortable with the town read.

And I'm just not seeing house as scum right now. Maybe I'm wrong I'm just not feeling like this is his scum game.

Of course I was also thinking you were scum day 1. Your play still feels like it to me but with drixx's flip I'm thinking that's less likely.

[dragonspawn]

!

This is why Drixx was such a brilliant kill, because it means that either I'm town or that scum was actively working against their interests.

This majorly pinged me. Sounds like a serial killer trying to point out what a brilliant kill he made and make it look like he has to be a townie.

[dragonspawn]

Ok after looking I kinda doubt that a royal saint would be scum since I had such a town read on silver wolf. Through I don't understand what his doing some of the times he hasn't done anything that jumps out saying I'm scum.

What's important is that he is voting scum.

You should too.

Well, I am voting scum, but no one seems to want to join in. Disappointing to say the least.

You certainly are scum who is voting. So why would any of us townies want to join you?

[dragonspawn]

Would also like to point out that wake's activity is dying with his wagon

Would you like to participate in any other way?

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: flubber

[dragonspawn]

also math, if you just said ti as you we could of just moved on with the game instead of having a pointless specualtaiton, titus is highly mistaken on the fact that i would ignore you. and she SHOULD learn to quit putting words into my mouth on howi act and do things.

if you were to be under the alt i would of continued to ignore you but now that i know who you are it makes it easier for me.

math have you meta ABR as towna nd scum? cus my meta read on him tells me hes scum

what about your meta tells you he is scum?

[dragonspawn]

What is the vote count?

[dragonspawn]

also math, if you just said ti as you we could of just moved on with the game instead of having a pointless specualtaiton, titus is highly mistaken on the fact that i would ignore you. and she SHOULD learn to quit putting words into my mouth on howi act and do things.

if you were to be under the alt i would of continued to ignore you but now that i know who you are it makes it easier for me.

math have you meta ABR as towna nd scum? cus my meta read on him tells me hes scum

what about your meta tells you he is scum?

Why would ika's meta be indicative of ABR's alignment?

why ask a question about it when you clearly could see what I was trying yo say and knew I wrote it wrong?

[dragonspawn]

What happened to the Anen wagon?

Why does it matter? You weren't even voting. If you want the wagon so badly shouldn't you consider casting a vote?

[dragonspawn]

I don't let scum dictate my votes.

And we can see that you don't let town dictate your votes either. But it's a team game. If every townie voted their one-off's, we'd end up with a no lynch or we'd let scum drive the lynch.

I'm pretty sure we're not going to lynch Delta Today, no matter how hard you and ARS push. It's time to move on.

VOTE: Aneninen

Now that your voting for him, you still didn't answer my question about why you were asking where His wagon went without voting for him

[dragonspawn]

Yes, ride the short bus to an Albert B Rampage lynch.

Remind me again why freeko isn't a good lynch option?

[dragonspawn]

know what fuck this:

im cop who checked drixx night 1

NOW CAN WE MOVE ON WITH THE FUCKING GAME?

You didn't have to claim you know.

It was obvious that Titus was wrong. Neither shiro nor freeko were crumbling a guilty read. They've been voting Abr since day 1. Egg is the only other one on the wagon and he voted more recently.

Quite frankly I'm not sure how anyone missed your crumbs

[dragonspawn]

Now was this one of title's town gambit or is she scum? That's difficult to figure out

[dragonspawn]

Titus not title. I seriously hate autocorrect

[dragonspawn]

ok i am going to deduct everyones role by end of day 1.

starting with me.

also i will divine if elusive is town or not very early on starting with this:

elusive are you scum?

Had the cop role figured out here. I'm confident house did as well.

[dragonspawn]

ok i am going to deduct everyones role by end of day 1.

starting with me.

also i will divine if elusive is town or not very early on starting with this:

elusive are you scum?

Had the cop role figured out here. I'm confident house did as well.

My fucking god. That's just how ika scumhunts. He rolefishes like a madman.

It was the words he used. Deduct. Divine.

[dragonspawn]

Now who did you think had the guilty result? Freeko or shiro?

btw why do you think I started the donut conversation?

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: Titus

you already outted the cop Titus.

even if you hadn't there aren't exactly a ton of choices for who you believe to be the cop.

I checks the isos on both of them before I jumped in the conversation. Saw nothing that hinted at a soft claim o crumb. They were both going for abr since day 1

[dragonspawn]

Then you are blind dragonspawn and I hate dumb town

so blind I picked out the cop day ones started a conversation about donuts to hint to him that I knew even though I knew some people would claim I'm scummy for fluffy questions.

and unlike your choice, mine did claim.

going to look for the post where house seemed to notice as well.

[dragonspawn]

Let's take a short walk down memory lane, shall we?

Spoiler:

ika posts something intriguing...

ok i am going to deduct everyones role by end of day 1.

starting with me.

texcat is wrong...

ok i am going to deduct everyones role by end of day 1.

starting with me.

This seems like something scum would do.

I scold texcat.

VOTE: texcat

No.

dragonspawn places an opportunistic vote that I don't particularly care for the thought process behind...

ok i am going to deduct everyones role by end of day 1.

starting with me.

This seems like something scum would do.

Going to seriously vote here.

vote texcat

It's hardly scummy to try to figure out roles. In fact it's precisely what we are supposed to do. How else are we supposed to find scum if we don't determine their role?

VOTE: dragonspawn

this is the post where I got the hint that house saw the same thing I did in ikas post.

[dragonspawn]

Dragonspawn is trying to get people to "realize" he's town by pointing out that he thought ika was a cop and therefore would have shot him if he were scum.

The way he's going about it is incredibly scummy in a way that I only observe very occasionally. His posts have all been extraordinarily hollow outside of trying to sell us on this. He's still scum and obviously so. The nonsense about House is also nonsense and scummy.

no I'm pointing out that I knew ika was a cop because I don't want the town to lynch him because Titus is confused.

[dragonspawn]

Dragonspawn is trying to get people to "realize" he's town by pointing out that he thought ika was a cop and therefore would have shot him if he were scum.

The way he's going about it is incredibly scummy in a way that I only observe very occasionally. His posts have all been extraordinarily hollow outside of trying to sell us on this. He's still scum and obviously so. The nonsense about House is also nonsense and scummy.

no I'm pointing out that I knew ika was a cop because I don't want the town to lynch him because Titus is confused.

Ika gets dealt with tomorrow. There's a decent chance ika is fakeclaiming because he always does that if I notice something he doesn't.

he isn't fake claiming.

and freeko hasn't claimed.

[dragonspawn]

Probably. Can't say 100%

[dragonspawn]

I don't think house realized I noticed ikas crumb.

but he noticed ikas post was interesting.

unfortunately him subbing out the day before this went down makes it impossible to know until post game.

[dragonspawn]

unvote titus

I want to hear from freeko

[dragonspawn]

Because he voted for you?

omgus!

[dragonspawn]

I'll be gone Sunday and back tomorrow.

[dragonspawn]

Monday rather.

[dragonspawn]

Please ensure that all of your posted content is in the English language.

Thank you.

I'm guessing this is in reference to my posting of Quranic verses in Arabic. Can I still use Arabic loanwords, such as when I call for jihad on Wake and I begin my search for mujahideen to be my holy warriors?

Those are likely ok since those are used in English news.

Thanks. You will get 72 virgins in heaven.

now that is scummy:p

[dragonspawn]

*just going to hop on the wagon closest to lynch

And what makes me want to vote for you again.

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: flubber

[dragonspawn]

*just going to hop on the wagon closest to lynch

And what makes me want to vote for you again.

How about some context sweetheart

You mean plainly jumping on whatever wagon has more votes with no reason whatsoever.

[dragonspawn]

I'm not feeling the wake wagon. Last game he was busy and not playing hard I tried to have him lynched and he was a pr. I'm not reading him as scum right now.

So how about some pressure on a counter wagon

VOTE: dramonic

[dragonspawn]

*just going to hop on the wagon closest to lynch

And what makes me want to vote for you again.

How about some context sweetheart

You mean plainly jumping on whatever wagon has more votes with no reason whatsoever.

Oh my fuck are you seriously fucking kidding me

Sure I'm kidding. I mean why would acting scummy make you look scummy?

[dragonspawn]

that's cute.
@Shiro: You don't need more reads though. Wake is pretty obviously scum, we'll recheck tomorrow to see which fruitcakes were so bloody resilient to the lynch.

@Freeko: You think as scum I wouldn't try to get Titus lynched?
Christ, she's like the easiest player to mislynch since joining the site.

How do you know Titus is a mislynch?

[dragonspawn]

Since when does a known chronic lurker equal town?

[dragonspawn]

Titus, you see what I'm getting at, right? If Drixx was just jumping any town wagon he could, why would he save Anen with a (second?) vote on Delta when House and Flubber had more votes?

My best guess is too many scum on those wagons. This is why I don't like to do VCA so early but it gives me a good entry point to a game.

So who is the likely scum from those wagons?

Is it possible they were simply scum buddies?

[dragonspawn]

Possible sure but unlikely. VCA alone is not enough to answer who is scum on the wagons.

Then how can we figure it out?

[dragonspawn]

Not really feeling wake at this point the others I don't really care about.

I'm apathetic tonight. Sorry guys

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Titus, Flubber vs House were competing wagons and both overtook the Anen wagon as lead wagon. Drixx voted Delta at that point. My question, which anotherperson or two asked already, is why would he jump on Delta rather than Flubber or House if he was trying to push any old mislynch over Anen?

Royal, not a single vote on Wake has been for taking a V/LA. Hell, it's not even a lurker or inactivity case. It's the content to words ratio. It's the lack of committing to things even though he's shown he can stay caught up and active. And then there's Delta's wall and the early Day 1 points on top of that. To say he's being wagoned for taking a V/LA is a huge misrep.

Wake, sounds like a shitty ass day. Hope everyone is ok. We actually just had a civilian employee taken hostage at the jail I work at.

Damn, you people have rougher times with criminals and they hire me.

I'll go back and check my VCA. I didn't see that, but if you could highlight where you mean, that would be helpful.

well I'm sure they like you better

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I am on dramonic right now. He is my guess for the moment.

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Anen or Titus should be lynched today.

VOTE: Aneninen

If I were to choose between them I'd go anen as scum.

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I am displeased that the Albert B Rampage wagon lost its steam. Curious though was why people hopped aboard only to jump right back off again.

This will be looked at later, especially after a flip I think.

Cause the people who jumped on had thought you had a guilty on him and were crumbing cop.

Wasn't this obvious?

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Call me beep me if you wanna lynch scum.
When you wanna lynch scum I'll be here.
I just can't wait to hear good wagons form.

In t h e meantime, keep misvoting anen and wake.

why are you so confident they are mislynches?

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When would scum be a cop?

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New info suggests Monday might not even be realistic. Might be talking permanent brain damage...................... fuck those doctors. Fuck that hospital

I'm sorry about your mother in law. Hope she has a speedy recovery.

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Hey guys it's 6 days to deadline. Let's not screw around. Vote viable wagons please.

6 days is plenty of time to reach a good lynch.

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Page 23: did someone claimed Cop?

I dunno, I don't really want to lynch either Anen or Wake and no one wants to vote my favorite reads.

Who were your favourite reads again?

Vote: dramonic

This and AngryPidgeon's vote are things I don't really get.

the fact that you are asking if someone claimed cop makes me want to lynch you.

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It's precisely because we've spent the last week and a half discussing the cop claim that you walking in now and asking whether there was one is suspicious

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Wake,

I don't particularly care for your wagon. Which is precisely why I'm not on it.

I've also been playing five games so my attention here hasn't been as much as I'd like. Now I'm at four but I'm starting a new job this week and will probably still be busy.

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Looking back at Drixx's iso, I saw that he was soft bussing Wake:

It feels a lot like you're mailing this in, if you get the expression. What you're saying doesn't really line up with how frequently you have posted. Something isn't adding up.

FOS

@ Wake.

Wake ... it's not that I don't read you scummy. In fact, I kind of do. It just has been light scum and I'm not gonna bandwagon onto a vote I'm not convinced of unless I have to.

Let me be REALLY clear. If this post you're making isn't persuasive and impressive ... you aren't winning any points.

But when the Wake wagon was gaining some support and Delta jumped in with his let's just lynch Wake now, Drixx started a chainsaw(or so it looks to me now) defense of Wake by attacking Delta hard. Drixx claimed at the time that it was because Delta wanted to lynch Wake

now

, without waiting for Wake's post. But with the Drixx flip, it could easily be that he just saw an opportunity to defend scum buddy Wake and took it.

this is the best argument I've seen for the wake wagon. I still don't really by it but it's. Better than I've seen so far.

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scum

I tend to think delta is our sk. But I could be wrong.

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Is that L1?

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I hope you guys are right but I'm still not seeing it.

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Had me fooled.

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Well either dw and wake are acting or wake just made it clear delta is town

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So gamr was bussing wake. Interesting.

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Who did you check last night ika?

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Should we assume that the scum were bussing wake?

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Or they weren't obtuse enough to try to pull the "i think dram is scum" card <<

Whelp...Texcat and Titus are probably town...Still think it's Anen and Delta scum. Pretty much the only thing that flip taught me was my texcat/Titus assumption was bad. I need to go over freeko's reads and try to see why he was shot. Just had RL get in the way.

Maybe they believed he was the cop despite denying it.

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No idea why the first quote postes

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No idea why the first quote posted

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Dragonspawn, was wake full of shit when he said you are more active on the other site?

Depends what He meant by active. I've got four ongoing games at the moment. Usually I don't have that many when I'm playing there. Not to mention I hang out there more not playing. So without it knowing exactly what he meant there, I can't give a clear answer.

But I am giving these games the same attention I'd give there, though the games there tend to be faster paced.

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Who did you check last night ika?

freeko, same vote on both accounts for both days leads me to see its either scum not doing shit or PR

@titus i didnt check you for this:

Spoiler: your day 2 vote

titus

Anenenim, abr, Anenenim,

wake

ars,

wake

knowing you dont bus leads to you not being mafia

Man I suck at this game.

At least at this rate the SK is going to win the game for us, lmao.

IRK

Well, I donbt want Flubber to be scum when I dont suspect him

truthfully thats who i suspect right now to be final scum after seeing garmers flip and wakes annoyance. odds are his rage was him getting annoyed of his buddies bussing him

For those missing ika's investigation info

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I'm kind of leaning to shiro or flubber for the last one. Mostly process of elimination.

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Strongest reads are probably Titus and ika who are both town.

I'm still thinking it through.

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Why scum on Shiro and Flubber?

Like I said process of elimination. I removed me town reads, which is about half. Looked at the remaining people and took and figurehead look at the two I thought most likely would be scum.

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Obviously, lynching SK is the optimal play Today, but potentially more difficult.

Why is it optimal play?

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makes sense. Ill have to think about the sk then.

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Garmr voted wake, flubber, and titus on both days. He was bussing wake hard. Could he have been bussing his other partner as well?

If I'm scum, why would I leave ika alive when I had him figured as the cop early day 1?

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Garmr voted wake, flubber, and titus on both days. He was bussing wake hard. Could he have been bussing his other partner as well?

If I'm scum, why would I leave ika alive when I had him figured as the cop early day 1?

Instead of addressing the VCA, you come in with a discredit. Tsk. Tsk.

Why were you largely absent ftom major wagons?

Because I found the reasoning for them to be nonsense.

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I'll be gone for the next day or so. If you want to lynch me I don't mind as long as lynch the scum and sk.

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I don't understand the DS wagon

Titus did some analysis that made no sense. Angry sleeping Titus
. Anen has been suspicious of me from day 1.

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Just realized I haven't voted yet.

VOTE: shiro

May as well start there.

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Little reasoning? I explained my reasoning earlier. Process of elimination.

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I don't know either way.

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I'm reading I just haven't had much to add.

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That's L2 for those who can count. And if ika is still hammering L1 no matter what that means one more vote. So please make sure you are certain about voting for shiro before placing a vote.

should we be talking about a claim now or is it too soon?

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Who said otherwise? And how do you know?

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VOTE: dragonspawn

ap can wait; the rolefishing is blatant

You're just upset I suspect you.

You seriously think we shouldn't be letting an L2 wagon have a chance to claim before putting him at L1 when ika hasn't voted yet and loves the hammer?

I suppose we should just blindly lynch people with no feedback. Who cares what evidence we might find.

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Good to hear.

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Unless Shiro hard claims cop and there's no counterclaim, I'm OK lynching him.

sounds like shiro is claiming doc.

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unvote

If we aren't going to lynch shiro due to being the doc. I'm leaning toward flubber my other process of elimination choice. But I haven't made any final decisions.

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own

I actually had that impression too.

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The scum factions are hunting each other, not the doc.

And you know it because...?

The doctor won't target scummy players.

If the cop is acting scummy they would.

Your logic is bad, Titus. The Doc doesn't know who the Cop is and what kind of gameplay he/she performs – or did I miss some posts here?

ika is the cop...

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If you guys want to lynch me I understand. I'm just vanilla. So my loss won't matter but I'm not scum or SK so hopefully they will kill each other tonight.

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What gives is I have alot of games. Ae are doing well in this one. My flip as town should help narrow down the two hence I wont mind id you guys flip me. If it helps us win I don't mind.

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Why would you change your vote? You are either town who genuinely suspects me. Or scum who is going to lynch a townie. Either way you should be happy.

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Go ahead an lynch me. I want to see if the SK and scum have the guts to lynch someone they know is town or whether they will want the town to do it. I'm not afraid to die. I still win when the town wins.

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VOTE: Dragonspawn

I don't like the VT claim out of the blue. And as Anen pointed out, Dragon's vote record isn't great.

my voting record isn't great? Seriously? That's your argument? The only scum we've lynched is wake. And you guys had a crappy argument for it.

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Yeah I don't see ars being scum either.

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What's the VC at?

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I'm not worried about game stall. If you mislynch me you'll have several other times and who knows. They could take each other out tonight

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I like the reasoning

VOTE: dram

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A policy lynch? Now?

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What makes all other wagons crap?

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I can live with an Abr lynch if it helps us.heck I can live with me being lynched.

VOTE: abr

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Guys I've had some rl issues come up so if I'm not around as much I apologize before hand. I'm going to try to continue on as before but I can't make any guarantees.

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can we like consilidate on dramn or annin today?

i feel like we are circlejerking towns while scums just lie in the shadows

piss/ap: both of you shut the fuck up for now and deal with this later your only making noise

why anen? No one is even voting for him

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Makes sense.

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VOTE: dram

I think id prefer this one to abr.

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Looks like the hammer is all yours if you want it Titus.

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Darn it. I was hoping they would hit one. How did they coordinate going for the two claimed docs? And yes AP Titus fakeclaim was obvious but it might have given them place to doubt

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Any investigation ika?

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We aren't mislynching the cop

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How about we hear back on ika about an investigation before we start lynching anyone.

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So you investigated me and think I'm the serial killer. Better than eggs theory.

I'm not but I was ready to be lynched yesterday so feel free if it moves us closer to a victory.