NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

Grib · Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:57 am

I am not scum.

VOTE: elusive

Grib · Post Post #11 (isolation #1) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:17 am

In post 7, Kitz wrote:That's oddly specific.

Using a general term is specific?

I'd bet there's a 3P.

Grib · Post Post #12 (isolation #2) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:19 am

dave, are you the SK again?

Grib · Post Post #15 (isolation #3) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:50 am

In post 14, davesaz wrote:I keep coming up town.

Cool, I'm gonna hold you to that. You can be my first townread.

Who else wants in?

Grib · Post Post #34 (isolation #4) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:08 am

In post 16, jbomber732 wrote:I'll take a nice townread on me, if you don't mind.

VOTE: Garmr

Sold!

Anyone else?

In post 23, Ricastle wrote:Nero, what do you make of Grib?

In post 24, Nero Cain wrote:meh. What is your big hangup with him?

This is a little strange to me, considering it's the first time Ricastle has mentioned me. What's up, Nero?

In post 26, Ricastle wrote:
In post 24, Nero Cain wrote:meh. What is your big hangup with him?
I don't like 11 or 15. 11 mainly because it goes hand-in-hand with his opener in reference to third parties, and 15 because he ignored Dave's suspicion on him and then gave him a townread.

It's not much, but hey. I'm bored.

Not really. Third Parties fall under the category of scum. I am not scum (i.e. mafia or Neutral).

He never commented on how it was strange, nor did I really care considering it's pretty standard for me.

dave, why was my opening strange? Ricastle's curious.

In post 27, elusive wrote:Hi Rubicon <3

Grib, I never roll scum (sigh). RNG is trying to reverse psych me into liking scum, I think.

Ok, so
RQS questions
so we aren't chasing puppy dog tails:

1. Favorite game of mafia you've played here or elsewhere and why?
2. What is your dream or ideal mafia role? Why?
3. Favorite season?
4. In an actual Apocalypse what is the first thing you would do?

And here we have my third townread. Excellent.

1. Probably WitchHunt 4 on DLP because of the setup and players.
2. I'm a fan of being Vengeful. Vengeance is sweet.
3. Autumn!
4. Probably follow someone who looks like they know what they're doing.

Grib · Post Post #35 (isolation #5) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:08 am

Darn, forgot one:

In post 29, elusive wrote:Grib, babe, are you town?

I am ridiculously town.

Grib · Post Post #36 (isolation #6) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:22 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rubicon

Grib · Post Post #41 (isolation #7) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:56 am

I'm changing my vote becausr Lyrium is town.

Rubicon, you'll have to do better than that.

Grib · Post Post #42 (isolation #8) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:57 am

Oops, I meant elusive.

Grib · Post Post #45 (isolation #9) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:08 am

I don't mind his claim that much. He's into Shenanigans.

But he should still do town things.

Grib · Post Post #48 (isolation #10) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:31 am

Hey hey.

Got a serious vote in mind?

Grib · Post Post #50 (isolation #11) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:31 am

I am the Page Top.

Grib · Post Post #52 (isolation #12) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:41 am

I don't believe you.

Grib · Post Post #54 (isolation #13) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:43 am

That would be impossible.

Grib · Post Post #56 (isolation #14) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:47 am

Too bad.

Grib · Post Post #57 (isolation #15) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:47 am

Should I even ask why Boon is scum.

Grib · Post Post #60 (isolation #16) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:01 am

In post 59, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 57, Grib wrote:Should I even ask why Boon is scum.

it says so in your pm

Would you bet money on that?

Grib · Post Post #62 (isolation #17) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:12 am

Okay then.

How about your game!life instead.

Grib · Post Post #65 (isolation #18) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:37 am

Actually, it's worse.

Grib · Post Post #67 (isolation #19) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:44 am

In post 66, Creative wrote:I'm new to the large normal queue, how many scum should we expect?

Probably four or five. A 3/4-man scumteam and a Third Party.

Grib · Post Post #68 (isolation #20) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:44 am

Says the person who also normally does not partake in large normals.

shrug

Grib · Post Post #70 (isolation #21) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:48 am

I don't rolehunt.

Grib · Post Post #76 (isolation #22) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:18 pm

In post 74, PointYBagelS wrote:
In post 70, Grib wrote:I don't rolehunt.

Why do you feel the need to mention this? Creative didn't ask you if you were rolehunting, just how many power roles you'd generally expect to see in a large normal. This seems like an especially defensive answer to a relatively harmless question.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Grib · Post Post #77 (isolation #23) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:19 pm

Errantparabola: elusive is pretty easy for me to read.

Grib · Post Post #82 (isolation #24) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:36 pm

As town, she's a fan of firing off questions, her play style is floaty/carefree, she isn't afraid to get in people's faces, and she uses pet names and cutesy metaphors a lot.

In contrast, she tends to lurk as scum and has trouble consistently answering questions directed at her.

Once you've completed a town game with her (and I believe she is very likely town in this one), you'll see what I mean.

fake edit: Give the flower time to blossom. I'm just calling it as I see it.

Grib · Post Post #97 (isolation #25) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:00 pm

With elusive? No.

Grib · Post Post #98 (isolation #26) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:01 pm

Ricastle, why are you attacking Bagels while voting me?

Grib · Post Post #101 (isolation #27) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:03 pm

Actually, why is your vote on me in general.

Grib · Post Post #106 (isolation #28) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:42 pm

Nero, are you a Lyncher?

Grib · Post Post #108 (isolation #29) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:46 pm

Okay.

Just thought I'd ask.

Grib · Post Post #112 (isolation #30) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:50 pm

In post 109, Nero Cain wrote:Why are you so against a Boons lynch?

I am an uninformed townie and he has made literally one post.

fake edit: Hm.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Boonskiies

This had better be entertaining.

Grib · Post Post #114 (isolation #31) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:56 pm

You wish.

Grib · Post Post #117 (isolation #32) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:52 pm

In post 115, Garmr wrote:You're trying to hard to look town and some of your posts have a defensive or deflective quality to them. Also you are a bit of a try hard.

Take it from me, I never try hard enough.

Grib · Post Post #123 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:33 pm

112 is me taking a leap of faith on town!Rubicon.

117 is a description of my personality, which has no bearing on my alignment. As a result, you're going to see that kind of behavior a lot from me. Better get used to it, bubba.

I prefer to townhunt unless something jumps out at me.

Rubicon is a cloud and I want to trust him. That's why.

Grib · Post Post #150 (isolation #34) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:24 am

In post 128, Ricastle wrote:
In post 123, Grib wrote:117 is a description of my personality, which has no bearing on my alignment. As a result, you're going to see that kind of behavior a lot from me. Better get used to it, bubba.

That's not why I don't like it. I don't like it because of the context it's in; you're yet again avoiding having to legitimately defend yourself from scrutiny while blocking any further conversation.

Oops? I'll work on that.

In post 128, Ricastle wrote:
In post 123, Grib wrote:I prefer to townhunt unless something jumps out at me.
Do you have any reads at all on who you think isn't town? And more importantly, can anyone back this up?

Not yet. I 100% don't understand the Boons wagon but Nero is pretty insistent, so I'm curious to see how that'll turn out.

In post 128, Ricastle wrote:
In post 123, Grib wrote:Rubicon is a cloud and I want to trust him. That's why.
Has anything related to him in particular warranted your trust, or are you just stabbing in the dark at the moment?

Already answered.

Grib · Post Post #154 (isolation #35) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:49 am

I don't really care about Garmr's pressure on me.

In post 115, Garmr wrote:You're trying to hard to look town and some of your posts have a defensive or deflective quality to them. Also you are a bit of a try hard.

I'm trying too hard to look town (this is my normal town play, at least on MS), my posts are defensive/deflective (I am a playfully deflective person, but not to the point where I'd ignore a question long enough for it to be annoying/scummy), and I'm a try-hard (that is not at all indicative of scum).

So. Yeah.

Rubicon is a very trustworthy person.

Grib · Post Post #164 (isolation #36) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:37 am

In post 157, Ricastle wrote:Why? Discussion and transparency are vital to the town. I don't really care about your answers to Garmr's inquisitions. My main concern is that you avoided them in the first place.

If there is pressure on me and it is very, very minimal, I tend to ignore it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kitz

Grib · Post Post #196 (isolation #37) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:33 am

I got the distinct feeling that people didn't like it when others acted defensive, so I've attempted to tone down on that.

Also, neat! An actual post by Nero...which amounts to grudgevoting. I guess the ends (Boonskiies' reaction) justify the means? Maybe?

Grib · Post Post #205 (isolation #38) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:03 am

Ricastle: I'm focusing on townhunting right now.

Kitz may actually be my first scumread for her coasty fluffposting. RVS is long over.

Grib · Post Post #206 (isolation #39) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:04 am

Also, what are you not putting up with?

Grib · Post Post #214 (isolation #40) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:20 am

That was surprisingly creepy.

Grib · Post Post #227 (isolation #41) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:44 am

Because I find it slightly easier than scumhunting.

I'm not going to spend the entire game doing it, and I invite you to lynch me if I do.

Grib · Post Post #239 (isolation #42) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:47 pm

I primarily stick to micros.

Some scum games of mine:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=42975 - newbie game, first time rolling scum, perfect victory
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=58483 - lurked a lot, was lynched D1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=59515 - made it to endgame but lost to other scum, though I still consider it a good scumplay for me

With that out of the way, I'd like more pressure on Kitz since Boonskiies has decided to be useless in the meantime.

Grib · Post Post #240 (isolation #43) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:49 pm

In post 239, Grib wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=46980 - newbie game, first time rolling scum, perfect victory

I lied, this is the correct link.

Grib · Post Post #245 (isolation #44) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:15 pm

In post 243, Errantparabola wrote:I don't really like this post. Why would you feel the need to say you don't care about Garmr pressure?

Because I believe in being honest, at least when I'm town.

In post 244, Errantparabola wrote:I changed my mind. The only thing that puts Grib as town is meta, and that seems to be conflicting, so I'm going to ignore the meta things.

Rubicon's read on Grib seems to be less strong that the reverse, and Grib I remember saying something about forming a town group with Rubicon and someone else. Correct me if I'm wrong on either of those two things.

VOTE: Grib

I did not say that. Thanks for bothering to check.

Grib · Post Post #246 (isolation #45) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:18 pm

In post 241, elusive wrote:Totally going to read that. Also how do you get over the defensiveness thing as town? Or are you secretly wishing lightning upon townies who are being silly :p

I imagine everyone in their underwear, of course.

Grib · Post Post #258 (isolation #46) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:34 pm

In post 253, Garmr wrote:any town block with grib in it is a bad townblock that needs dismantling.

Is this scum I detect?

Grib · Post Post #260 (isolation #47) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:39 pm

Pretty sure I have Pointy as a townread. Reasons later when I get back to my notes.

Grib · Post Post #271 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:16 pm

In post 262, Garmr wrote:
In post 258, Grib wrote:
In post 253, Garmr wrote:any town block with grib in it is a bad townblock that needs dismantling.

Is this scum I detect?

That's a pretty delayed omgus. But my goal is your head

1. OMGUS is not a scumtell.
2. If that's your only defense: weak.

Your pressure on me consists of

In post 113, Garmr wrote:I don't understand the boon wagon but

In post 112, Grib wrote:
In post 109, Nero Cain wrote:Why are you so against a Boons lynch?

I am an uninformed townie and he has made literally one post.

fake edit: Hm.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Boonskiies

This had better be entertaining.

Scum just jumped on it

VOTE: grib

In post 115, Garmr wrote:You're trying to hard to look town and some of your posts have a defensive or deflective quality to them. Also you are a bit of a try hard.

In post 171, Garmr wrote:
In post 146, Nero Cain wrote:I know what I'm doing, bae. Don't be the scums helpers this game plox.

I will try to listen to you more this game but I really don't agree with boon being a scum lynch as he hasn't done anything scummy. Through he isn't that bad of a policy lynch if we have nothing but we do have something grib.

In post 253, Garmr wrote:any town block with grib in it is a bad townblock that needs dismantling.

In post 262, Garmr wrote:
In post 258, Grib wrote:
In post 253, Garmr wrote:any town block with grib in it is a bad townblock that needs dismantling.

Is this scum I detect?

That's a pretty delayed omgus. But my goal is your head

In post 264, Garmr wrote:having obvious scum in your town block is retarded if not the idea of town blocks are retarded.

I addressed your main concerns already, and everything else is just boring white noise. Lay out an actual case or go buzz in someone else's face.

Anyway. My reads followed by explanations:

Grib

elusive
Rubicon

Ricastle
PointYBagelS
Nero Cain

davesaz

Klingoncelt
Megalo
PeaceBringer
Skold
Creative
Errantparabola
bewilderbeast
Garmr

jbomber732
Boonskiies

Kitz

Rubicon and elusive are strong townreads because meta. Do not ever lynch them. If I were in a three-man LyLo with them and had to choose, I'd lynch Rubicon over elusive any day.

Ricastle has been sorta focused on me from the get-go. He parked a vote on me with little reasoning, but he's actually been engaging with me instead of vaguely calling me scum. He's also engaging with other players instead of focusing entirely on me. PointYBagelS voted Rubicon for claiming VT, which I can get for someone who doesn't know his meta. He's a little hesitant in reading me (which I see as +town), lays out a weak case on davesaz which is okay and better than the Boonskiies wagon. He says he wouldn't mind joining me on Kitz but prefers to stick with his dave vote until dave posts more (I like this). He also asked for my scum meta, which feels townier than not. As for Nero, the Boon push is primarily fueled by OOG grudge, which is kinda gross. But I still kinda lean town here, given that it wouldn't really do his team much good to aggro-push someone the way he has, (initially) for little reasoning and so adamantly. Nero has been sticking to his guns enough that I don't think he's scummy, just sort of dickish. Boonskiies' reaction to this pressure makes me feel a little better about town!Nero.

davesaz's response to me asking if he was the SK was okay enough for a light townread. Eh. I'll be keeping an eye on him.

The yellow zone is completely null to me, mostly ordered from towny (top) to scummy (bottom). I won't bother with explanations on those unless asked.

jbomber asked for a townread from me, said he's going to wait for a bandwagon he wants to hop on. He claims he's focused on reading the people wagoning Boons but hasn't really done anything. Boonskiies' reaction to the wagon on him is scummy, even taking into account that his playstyle is pretty scummy in general.

Kitz has posted several times, but they're all fluff (with the exception of answering elusive's questions). Says she's observing since she's unfamiliar with the players and is waiting for RVS to over (which it has been for some time). More pressure here, please.

Grib · Post Post #273 (isolation #49) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:20 pm

In post 115, Garmr wrote:You're trying to hard to look town and some of your posts have a defensive or deflective quality to them. Also you are a bit of a try hard.

In post 154, Grib wrote:I don't really care about Garmr's pressure on me.

In post 115, Garmr wrote:You're trying to hard to look town and some of your posts have a defensive or deflective quality to them. Also you are a bit of a try hard.

I'm trying too hard to look town (this is my normal town play, at least on MS), my posts are defensive/deflective (I am a playfully deflective person, but not to the point where I'd ignore a question long enough for it to be annoying/scummy), and I'm a try-hard (that is not at all indicative of scum).

So. Yeah.

Rubicon is a very trustworthy person.

Grib · Post Post #276 (isolation #50) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:24 pm

It's not so much that she's the scummiest scum to ever scum. I just picked her to pressure first. If her response/future posts are really towny, I'll change my read on her.

Why are you getting so worked up? Whom would you rather focus on?

Grib · Post Post #277 (isolation #51) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:25 pm

In post 275, Garmr wrote:@grib That doesn't adequately address the issues.

It's the best you're gonna get, considering those things do not make me scum.

Grib · Post Post #278 (isolation #52) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:25 pm

Also, Errant: I have a lot of nullreads, which I will move onto either after Kitz starts posting, or if some of them start acting really scummy.

Grib · Post Post #281 (isolation #53) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:27 pm

In post 279, Garmr wrote:
In post 277, Grib wrote:
In post 275, Garmr wrote:@grib That doesn't adequately address the issues.

It's the best you're gonna get, considering those things do not make me scum.

It's early game yet you'll slip more my instincts tell me so.

Okay, bye.

Grib · Post Post #282 (isolation #54) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:28 pm

I forgot to mention: Errant moves up in suspicion of Kitz is scum, and looks townier if she flips town.

Grib · Post Post #287 (isolation #55) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:06 pm

Her reactions to the Kitz wagon.

Grib · Post Post #296 (isolation #56) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:46 pm

We've been in a game together (if I'm remembering correctly). That's all I can say.

Grib · Post Post #311 (isolation #57) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:06 am

Wow.

I prod Kitz and people respond by 3P hunting. That totally makes sense in a closed setup from a town POV.

Grib · Post Post #313 (isolation #58) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:37 am

Yes.

That doesn't mean 3P hunting on D1 based on a guess isn't dumb.

Grib · Post Post #314 (isolation #59) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:39 am

Kitz: I don't know what you're going on about. Nullreads are people I don't have reads on, and they will presumably be resolved when they post more. Anything else you interpret beyond that is wrong or reaching.

Grib · Post Post #315 (isolation #60) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:42 am

Ricastle: Like, I'd have less of a problem with you 3P hunting me if a 3P was confirmed to exist, be it stated in the OP or revealed via multiple Night kills without a Vig claim.

I do have 3P meta that Rubicon is not ignorant about.

Grib · Post Post #317 (isolation #61) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:08 am

In post 316, Ricastle wrote:I'm not SK-reading you
because
I think there's an SK in this game, I'm SK-reading you because I don't think you're town or mafia, but I am pretty sure you're scum.

But hey. Would you rather I mafia-read you instead?

I'd rather you read me correctly.

Grib · Post Post #329 (isolation #62) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:03 am

I tried to put you in the exact-ish middle.

Grib · Post Post #331 (isolation #63) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:05 am

It's not so much as "lynch all lurkers," but more "this person has posted multiple times and it's all fluff and they're waiting for RVS to be over, which...it is."

I don't think I have a completed game with her so if it takes a little while for her to get into gear, that's fine too.

Grib · Post Post #332 (isolation #64) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:06 am

And...like...there isn't even a wagon on her...so. Calm down a little bit, maybe.

Grib · Post Post #334 (isolation #65) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:12 am

In post 333, Ricastle wrote:Grib is scum; that's all that's certain and all that really matters.

Maybe later, bro. Get him to L-3 at least.

Look, I understand how eager you are to point and go, "Look, mom, I pegged the Serial Killer on Day 1!!" but, unfortunately, you are completely wrong.

Why am I even scum again? I missed the part where you actually explained that.

Grib · Post Post #340 (isolation #66) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:25 am

In post 339, Skold wrote:@Grib I just realised that because of the odd numbers in that list it was difficult to put me in the middle. Why isn't there a wagon of at least yourself on her if she made the top of your scum list. You later said that it was more of a list of people you wanted to pressure than a list of reads but why that still leaves the question - why aren't you voting her?

I am?

There are only two votes on her. I don't really consider that a wagon, since two votes out of ten isn't much pressure.

Grib · Post Post #365 (isolation #67) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:13 am

In post 355, Rubicon wrote:
In post 353, jbomber732 wrote:that would cause more trouble for me

ngl I made that same exact face, but with more eye rolling.

Grib · Post Post #369 (isolation #68) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:29 am

Oh look, several of my stronger townreads are wagoning someone I'm not townreading. Lovely.

I'll be back, Kitz.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Skold

Grib · Post Post #371 (isolation #69) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:39 am

I am completely shocked you feel that way.

Grib · Post Post #372 (isolation #70) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:39 am

Given that you feel so strongly I'm scum, any post I make is presumably a scumpost in your eyes. So.

Grib · Post Post #377 (isolation #71) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:56 am

In post 373, Ricastle wrote:I didn't have issue with almost all your other recent posts, actually.

I'll try to keep up the good work.

(Really, though, I don't see the problem with my earlier posts, but. Okay.)

Grib · Post Post #390 (isolation #72) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:38 am

So what you're saying is although I've managed to completely dupe two players who know my playstyle extremely well, somehow you, someone who doesn't know me at all, have me pegged.

I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly.

Grib · Post Post #392 (isolation #73) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:47 am

In post 391, Ricastle wrote:The whole point of my SK proposition is it's a scenario where that's a lot more likely.

Though, are you saying it's unreasonable that you could trick people that know how you play?

As highly as I think of myself, I would still say yes. I am much better at tricking people completely unfamiliar to me, which is why I ended up getting lynched as scum Day 1 in one of the games I linked (Rubicon and another mutual friend were both town in that game).

Grib · Post Post #393 (isolation #74) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:50 am

I'm getting a little sick of talking about my meta.

Ricastle, who else is scum and why?

Grib · Post Post #418 (isolation #75) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:02 pm

In post 417, Errantparabola wrote:But I still don't like it.

Why not? Ricastle is too sure of himself in thinking I'm scum, while simultaneously townreading people who are townreading me and discrediting their reads even though he doesn't actually know what he's talking about.

There is no universe where I could buy what he's selling.

Grib · Post Post #458 (isolation #76) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:39 am

Uh, Ricastle, I replaced out of some of those games pretty early.

Grib · Post Post #462 (isolation #77) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:29 am

I only replaced out of a couple on that list. I went through a weird apathy spell and didn't feel it would be fair to play if I wasn't really into the game.

Grib · Post Post #485 (isolation #78) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:09 pm

Kitz, will you do something moderately towny if I ask nicely?

Boonskiies, if you post sometime in the next 24 hours, maybe I won't consider you completely scumfirmed.

bewilderbeast and Megalo will probably get replaced so they don't matter.

Grib · Post Post #487 (isolation #79) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:14 pm

Gentlemen, gentlemen, you don't have to fight over me. There's plenty of Grib to go around.

Grib · Post Post #490 (isolation #80) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:44 pm

In post 488, Ricastle wrote:consolidating

You are

way

too eager to kill me.

Honestly, it's a little endearing.

Grib · Post Post #492 (isolation #81) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:46 pm

In post 491, Nero Cain wrote:TBF, killing in mafia is pretty fun.

It really is.

Grib · Post Post #512 (isolation #82) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:44 pm

Do [*post]number![/post].

Grib · Post Post #523 (isolation #83) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:08 pm

In post 521, Boonskiies wrote:Sorry about the mia, guys. I am in tech week for a production I'm in. Finally the end of the week. Will catch up hopefully in the morning tomorrow.

I actually miss tech week.

Grib · Post Post #572 (isolation #84) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:48 am

Holy fuck, those votehops.

Grib · Post Post #573 (isolation #85) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:49 am

And they're all townreads except EP.

Hm.

Grib · Post Post #578 (isolation #86) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:13 pm

Poor replacement guy.

Grib · Post Post #612 (isolation #87) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:58 pm

HAMMERTIME

VOT--

Nah, just kidding.

Grib · Post Post #668 (isolation #88) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:46 am

Nah, I think dave's kinda town.

I guess people are just gonna sit on the replacement wagon until they do things.

Grib · Post Post #674 (isolation #89) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:37 am

In post 669, Ricastle wrote:Yes, that's the plan, unless you're implying you have a better one.

So your plan is to do...nothing, then? Almost anything is better than that.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klingoncelt

Hi there. I don't believe I have a read on you. Also I find it incredibly unlikely that you went through every single one of my games.

Grib · Post Post #677 (isolation #90) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:08 pm

In post 676, Errantparabola wrote:Do you have any scumreads, and if so, why are you voting null above them?
And to be fair, he did say he was going to go through the meta of people who he hadn't played with because he enjoyed meta.

I don't have any strong scumreads. Just leans.

I have played with Klingoncelt before.

Grib · Post Post #720 (isolation #91) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:34 pm

UNVOTE:

Stalled games are fun.

Grib · Post Post #735 (isolation #92) » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:09 am

In post 731, Rubicon wrote:elusive has a fun way with words

+1

Grib · Post Post #761 (isolation #93) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:13 am

In post 758, PointYBagelS wrote:
In post 757, Kitz wrote:
In post 752, Xayzeck wrote:Someone get me caught the fuck up because 30 pages will take a long time for me

Half of it is filler.

Including just about everything you've posted.

lmao

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kitz

Grib · Post Post #768 (isolation #94) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:50 pm

I think I've been skimming all of Peace's posts. I should probably stop doing that.

Grib · Post Post #774 (isolation #95) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:58 pm

I am a Serial Killer. People should wagon me.

jk, but for real I'm antsy as hell right now

Grib · Post Post #777 (isolation #96) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:00 pm

No one is posting and I want to Do Things.

Grib · Post Post #781 (isolation #97) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:46 pm

Hi House!

Grib · Post Post #836 (isolation #98) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:02 am

In post 785, Ricastle wrote:
In post 770, Rubicon wrote:also I don't really want to lynch vampirate now that he's doing stuff
Who do you want to lynch then? We only have 3 rl days left.

What are these Things you want to Do, Grib?

My Night kill, obviously.

Grib · Post Post #854 (isolation #99) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:15 am

I think he's town.

(I'm only saying that so he'll leave me alive.)

Grib · Post Post #890 (isolation #100) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:36 pm

Grib · Post Post #950 (isolation #101) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:42 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xayzeck

If he manages to make at least one Actual Post before deadline, I'll move to get a lynch.

FYI, Vamps, elusive proposing No Lynch as an option is not indicative of scum for her.

Grib · Post Post #963 (isolation #102) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:55 am

Vamps, what was your read on Xayzeck's predecessor?

Grib · Post Post #969 (isolation #103) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:57 am

House, is the Xayzeck wagon scum!driven? Because so far the only non-townread of mine on it is Peace.

Grib · Post Post #971 (isolation #104) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:01 am

Eh, I disagreed with Nero's push but thought his conviction was towny.

Grib · Post Post #980 (isolation #105) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:46 am

In post 976, House wrote:
In post 971, Grib wrote:Eh, I disagreed with Nero's push but thought his conviction was towny.

Is that so?

Please read his ISO in You Could Be Anyone II and tell me what you think of his Mom tunnel.

Why do you do this to me.

I think it's a little different this time around. He's basing some of his tunnel off of the fact that he doesn't particularly like Boon, which is more OOG than the Mom tunnel (I think, I'm just skimming here), which would leave him more open to policy votes later down the line.

Grib · Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:00 pm

In post 982, Xayzeck wrote:I don't really like grib

One of these days, we'll stop Not Liking each other. I hope.

Grib · Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:41 pm

In post 985, House wrote:
In post 980, Grib wrote:
In post 976, House wrote:
In post 971, Grib wrote:Eh, I disagreed with Nero's push but thought his conviction was towny.

Is that so?

Please read his ISO in You Could Be Anyone II and tell me what you think of his Mom tunnel.

Why do you do this to me.

I think it's a little different this time around. He's basing some of his tunnel off of the fact that he doesn't particularly like Boon, which is more OOG than the Mom tunnel (I think, I'm just skimming here), which would leave him more open to policy votes later down the line.

That doesn't change the fact that he maintains conviction in his "reads" as scum, which you are using to townread him.

Doesn't add up.

Ugh.

Fine, I'll look at him again later.

Grib · Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:51 pm

In post 987, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 950, Grib wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xayzeck

If he manages to make at least one Actual Post before deadline, I'll move to get a lynch.

FYI, Vamps, elusive proposing No Lynch as an option is not indicative of scum for her.

And voting me helps how? Was not even a decent wagon when you voted me, are you more concerned with me posting or getting a lynch at this point in the game?

Oh look, you're attacking me instead of catching up and giving actual game-related thoughts.

If you post, I can attempt to read you. If I townread you, I can lynch someone else who will ideally flip scum. If I scumread you, I can feel more confident that you should die.

Also, don't talk to me about helpful:

In post 983, Xayzeck wrote:So I think I'll just give up on catching up for now

This isn't something you want to do with a wagon building up on you.

Grib · Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:56 pm

In post 993, Errantparabola wrote:anyone on xay do you think a no lynch is better than a skold lynch

No.

Grib · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:45 pm

In post 1023, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 984, Grib wrote:
In post 982, Xayzeck wrote:I don't really like grib

One of these days, we'll stop Not Liking each other. I hope.

I don't ever recall not liking each other really being a thing until this game though

Really? I feel like we've scumread each other in all of our games (and by all that's probably only like...three).

In post 1025, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 998, Grib wrote:Oh look, you're attacking me instead of catching up and giving actual game-related thoughts.

If you post, I can attempt to read you. If I townread you, I can lynch someone else who will ideally flip scum. If I scumread you, I can feel more confident that you should die.

I don't have time to catch up before deadline. I don't recall you posting anything that directly indicates you want me to post.

If I'm attacking you that means I think you're scum. Isn't that a game related thought?

Okay, well, how about a quick skim + general thoughts on players? Or something.

It would be better to save that for when there's actually time to attempt to lynch me.

In post 1026, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 998, Grib wrote:This isn't something you want to do with a wagon building up on you.

And?

Don't be difficult, child.

Grib · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:46 pm

I have to get up for class at 9:30 so I'll be around to vote if necessary.

l8r

Grib · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:59 pm

In post 1036, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 1033, Grib wrote:Okay, well, how about a quick skim + general thoughts on players? Or something.

It would be better to save that for when there's actually time to attempt to lynch me.

A quick skim will just be scrolling and not really reading

I liked nero for the boon wagon, I didn't like your early game posts

I don't really know anyone else so you two are the most impressionable to me.

What's your scumreads?

Hm.

UNVOTE:

Good thing I always dick around on my phone before bed.

I will not lynch: elusive, Rubicon, Ricastle, PoinYBagelS
I would rather not lynch: Nero Cain, davesaz, House
I wouldn't mind lynching: Klingoncelt, Peacebringer, Skold, Creative, Errantparabola, Bellaphant, Xayzeck
I want to lynch: Vampirate, Boonskiies, Kitz

Grib · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:52 am

Good morning. That was close.

In post 1091, PeaceBringer wrote:VOTE: vote xaythought I had- musta been missed...
I feel skold is town and not going that way...

In post 1092, PeaceBringer wrote:well that is a lynch...

What was even happening here.

Grib · Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:38 am

What? You mean I

didn't

Serial Kill anyone to the face?

Sorry, Ricastle. I'm disappointed too.

Grib · Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:39 am

lol @ Ricastle ninja'ing me.

We're meant to be.

Grib · Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:50 am

Also, I doubt anyone else noticed, but dave had a pretty fucking big townslip in one of his posts. I only noticed it when I was ISO'ing him. Like big enough that I'm comfortable putting him in the townbloc.

If you find it, keep the specific post number to yourself.

Grib · Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:07 am

VOTE: Kitz

Consider this a friendly nudge.

Grib · Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:14 pm

In post 1114, Kitz wrote:Noticed this was up, hey all.

None died? That's odd. Could be an involvement with either doctor, bulletproof, commuter, roleblocker or some others that I didn't list, but what about the 3P?
We don't really have enough clues to know yet.

Basically a pointless filler post that amounts to 'fuck if I know.'

In post 1118, Kitz wrote:
In post 1115, Errantparabola wrote:Kitz post is meh enough that I can get on that wagon

Gee, I just got here. The game didn't start on the specified time, so I lagged out until I refreshed.

Implying she's going to do something. Still hasn't.

In post 1127, Kitz wrote:What makes me more Meh than anyone else here for an opening? What makes me so much more troubling?
I even freaking contributed by sharing my thoughts about the possibilities.

These could be Meh.

In post 1106, Grib wrote:What? You mean I
didn't
Serial Kill anyone to the face?

Sorry, Ricastle. I'm disappointed too.

In post 1109, Rubicon wrote:Hm, I have a lot of townreads off that wagon.

Deflecting, and also justifying her wagon.

In post 1130, Kitz wrote:
In post 1128, PointYBagelS wrote:Nightkill speculation, is not inherently towny, though the way you did it isn't scummy either. It accomplishes nothing, much like everything else you've posted.

I don't see how speculating what happened in the night is particulary scummy or towny other than the sake of contemplating what may have happened, and give the others an idea if they have some feedback themselves.

Missing the point, which is that her post about the Night kill was pretty much empty. 1114 consists of an obvious statement, a list of possible roles in play, 3P speculation (?), and it's all capped off with an IDK.

Kill.

Grib · Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:37 pm

Is this Nero/House smackdown going to last a while? Because I'm already over it.

Grib · Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:53 pm

Shh, Boon. It's okay. We already know you're scum.

Grib · Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:29 am

I'm sure you did, Bella.

I mostly just wanted to see how he'd respond to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Boonskiies

Until the Kitz replacement does something interesting.

Grib · Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:22 pm

Pssst, Rubicon.

Grib · Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:44 pm

In post 1240, elusive wrote:You changed your avatar! Who is it now? Is it holding a flower?

What song is it dancing to?

Also, I feel this game

Joshua, holding a cell phone, dancing to this.

Grib · Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:12 am

Ricastle, the reaction part was about Boon.

The dave townslip is very real.

Grib · Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:46 pm

boop

Today was busy; will do things tomorrow.

Grib · Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:51 am

Oh wow, Xayzeck exists.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xayzeck

Rational, I think I'm going to kill you later on. Cool?

Grib · Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:33 am

Kill, as in cause you to die.

Grib · Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:09 pm

In post 1352, RationalMadman wrote:
In post 1350, Grib wrote:Kill, as in cause you to die.

Are you claiming vigilante? Maybe I missed it but I didn't know you'd outed.

Haven't you heard? Apparently I'm a Serial Killer.

Grib · Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:04 pm

I occasionally like to tell jokes.

Grib · Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:42 am

*checks the thread*

*still no Xayzeck wagon*

*leaves thread*

Grib · Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:42 am

Vamps, what do you make of a person who is SK hunting, on Day 1, even though they don't necessarily believe a SK exists in the game?

Like I'm townreading Ricastle but his 3P obsession is weird to say the least.

Grib · Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:02 pm

UNVOTE: Xayzeck
and
VOTE: Xayzeck
with emphasis.

Grib · Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:38 pm

In post 1497, davesaz wrote:Grib, is your Xay vote anything other than PL the lurker?

It's not that he's lurking; it's that he's scum and he's lurking.

Grib · Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:08 pm

In post 1503, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1499, Klingoncelt wrote:

There's Attack of the Neutrals.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=60011

I was Scum, House and SilverWolf were Town. They took me out Night 1.

Oh, wait, House was Scum.

Fucker.

This is a pointless post letting you know that I found this

extremely

funny.

Grib · Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:24 pm

In post 1516, elusive wrote:Grib, there was something I was thinking about Xayzeck but I don't know how to say it without saying it. 2 things are possible though so why are you voting him or what do you want from him specifically?

Boonskiies, can you try to not be a lurky llama?

I am voting for him because I think he is scum and I would like for him to die.

I'm really bad at thinking outside the box so whatever the possibility are, whoosh. Over my head.

Grib · Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:33 am

In post 1566, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 1565, Vampirate wrote:Peace, maybe I missed it but who are your scum reads and why?

If I have an outright scum suspect I will make you know. Everyone is null, if I think someone is scummy I will generally make it known. RIght now Ricastle is at the top of being sorted out. Bella was clearly a suspect...

>page 64
>'everyone is null'

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PeaceBringer

In post 1571, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 1500, Grib wrote:
In post 1497, davesaz wrote:Grib, is your Xay vote anything other than PL the lurker?

It's not that he's lurking; it's that he's scum and he's lurking.

So I'm scum and lurk or I'm scum, thus I lurk?

Hi, why should anyone believe you are town?

Grib · Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:54 am

How is it a misrep? That's literally what you said.

In post 1566, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 1565, Vampirate wrote:Peace, maybe I missed it but who are your scum reads and why?

If I have an outright scum suspect I will make you know. Everyone is null, if I think someone is scummy I will generally make it known. RIght now Ricastle is at the top of being sorted out. Bella was clearly a suspect...

You're talking about 'suspects' and 'sorting people' which is dodgy language that avoids calling people scum outright.

Grib · Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:11 pm

In post 1632, Rubicon wrote:Grib, on a scale from 1-10 confidence how confirmed town is davesaz? I had him as townish early on, but he's been coasting a lot day 2.
Players posting a lot day one and then starting to lurk is a firm scum tell.
Forget I said that part.

10

Grib · Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:34 pm

I'm feeling the reads synergy with Creative. Yay.

My mind hasn't really been on this game. I don't even know where my vote is.

UNVOTE:

I'll reread and try to post thoughts tomorrow.

Grib · Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:38 pm

In post 1691, House wrote:
In post 1690, Grib wrote:I'm feeling the reads synergy with Creative. Yay.

My mind hasn't really been on this game. I don't even know where my vote is.

UNVOTE:

I'll reread and try to post thoughts tomorrow.

You were voting Peacebringer, who was Creative's main suspect in his reads list. And you unvote him instead of do a quick ISO of the mod to see where your vote is?

Meh.

I am fatally lazy.

Grib · Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:38 pm

Besides, it's mostly his townreads I'm feeling.

Grib · Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:00 pm

In post 1697, House wrote:
In post 1694, Grib wrote:Besides, it's mostly his townreads I'm feeling.

What do you think of his inability to read you?

People say I have a scummy playstyle, so it's nothing I wouldn't believe coming from someone who's never played with me.

Grib · Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:03 pm

It's not that. I'd just like to start fresh.

Or as fresh as I can w/r/t the more recent pages.

Grib · Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:12 pm

Always and forever.

Grib · Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:16 pm

Rubicon, you have Xayzeck as a townread but your only mention of him was in 1601. Share your wisdom with me, otherwise I'm going to take matters into my own hands.

Grib · Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:44 pm

VOTE: XAYZECK

whee

I may unvote pending Rubicon's response + my own reread/catchup but for now, me likey.

Grib · Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:29 pm

House: I was already scumreading Xayzeck.

PeaceBringer: no comment.

Grib · Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:36 pm

Do you think he's town?

Grib · Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:37 pm

Hell, that's an open question to anyone.

Grib · Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:15 pm

In post 1723, Rubicon wrote:

@Grib, I think I figured out what you mean about davesaz.

Then step one is complete.

Grib · Fri May 01, 2015 7:56 am

Then neither you not Creative are correct in your assumption.

Rubicon gets me. <3

Grib · Fri May 01, 2015 7:57 am

noRRRRRRR*

Grib · Fri May 01, 2015 6:27 pm

Ughhh I've been trying to sit down and focus on this game but I have a busy weekend and three exams next week.

Mild V/LA until Wednesday

Because I'll be procrastinating on studying.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 3:17 am

I think I’m scumreading all of the lurky people. Ugh. I’m going to start with Xayzeck; I want to see the townie in him that maybe some other people are seeing? But I can’t.

I don’t meta people because I’m lazy and it’s effort, but I went through some of his games to make sure I wasn’t just latching on to ‘Xayzeck is lurking and not contributing!’ and leaving it at that, because he could just as easily be bad town. This is probably the first formal case I’ve ever built on someone (and if it isn’t, this is definitely the one I put the most effort into. Yay).

I’m looking at four different games (Mini 1639, Micro 421, Micro 414, Micro 441—links if you want them, but otherwise, effort), and even without scrolling through them I can tell based on the look/tone of the posts in these three different ISOs that something is off with Xayzeck this game. From his first post he’s seemed disinterested or apathetic, he doesn’t seem to post with any town!motivation, he is occasionally deliberately unhelpful, his longer posts tend to be more about defending himself than scumhunting, even though his slot is incredibly fishy, and he has in fact acknowledged that he’s lurking without seeming to be concerned with correcting his behavior so people can develop a better read on him. So maybe I’m not scumreading him so much as I’m not townreading him. I have a hard time reading lurky slots.

His first few posts center around talking about catching up, which he soon gives up on. I understand being overwhelmed with reading a lot of posts, I’ve been there. But he doesn’t even really say what’s on his mind, it’s hard to explain. He just says that there are a lot of walls and he’s going to stop trying to catch up, instead of at least giving his thoughts on what he managed to read.

When I vote him (and this is only the second vote on him after elusive, mind you; a vote that isn’t even really backed up by anything damning. I can’t be bothered to check why elusive voted him), his initial reaction is to jump to his own defense:

In post 987, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 950, Grib wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xayzeck

If he manages to make at least one Actual Post before deadline, I'll move to get a lynch.

FYI, Vamps, elusive proposing No Lynch as an option is not indicative of scum for her.

And voting me helps how? Was not even a decent wagon when you voted me, are you more concerned with me posting or getting a lynch at this point in the game?

This is a weird reaction. “And voting me helps how?” I made it very clear I wanted him to post [so I could read him] and put a pressure vote on him. I even stated outright that I’d switch my vote to get a lynch. This question serves no purpose.

And here:

In post 1022, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 989, Ricastle wrote:
In post 983, Xayzeck wrote:I'm definitely not very posty this game, but does that make me scummy, or does it make me scum.
I don't like the definition you're trying to make here. Seems like a ploy to excuse acting scummy in the future.

I'm simply trying to make something clear, you gain nothing as town wagoning a slot that lurks without showing scum motivatio. It feels like I'm being voted because I'm lurking at lurking is bad, but that's about as deep as these votes go

He’s acknowledging that he’s lurking, which is okay because I guess scum are less likely to admit to being in the wrong. But he’s also sort of casting doubt at anyone putting pressure on him, which is bad, and considering the lack of content he’s provided at this point in the game, scummy.

And then there’s this:

In post 991, Vampirate wrote:
In post 983, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 977, Bellaphant wrote:I actually kinda agree about the Xay slot lurking, which I did mention in my post.

I'm definitely not very posty this game, but does that make me scummy, or does it make me scum.

I'm not really posting because I don't have and there's so many walls I read a few and just stop.

So I think I'll just give up on catching up for now

I got to say, this is very anti-town.

In post 1024, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 991, Vampirate wrote:I got to say, this is very anti-town.

Given deadline is pretty soon, I'd say it's pretty good. Or would you rather I go back to lurking and catching up

He’s already lurking (like he even admitted it himself), so this threat is very empty, but still. Not at all towny.

In post 1025, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 998, Grib wrote:Oh look, you're attacking me instead of catching up and giving actual game-related thoughts.

If you post, I can attempt to read you. If I townread you, I can lynch someone else who will ideally flip scum. If I scumread you, I can feel more confident that you should die.

I don't have time to catch up before deadline.
I don't recall you posting anything that directly indicates you want me to post.

If I'm attacking you that means I think you're scum. Isn't that a game related thought?

Bolded for emphasis: uh, are you sure? It wasn’t that long ago:

In post 987, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 950, Grib wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xayzeck

If he manages to make at least one Actual Post before deadline, I'll move to get a lynch.

FYI, Vamps, elusive proposing No Lynch as an option is not indicative of scum for her.

And voting me helps how? Was not even a decent wagon when you voted me, are you more concerned with me posting or getting a lynch at this point in the game?

The following is THE ONLY POST BY XAYZECK THAT HAS MADE ME STOP AND CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF HIM BEING TOWN:

In post 1037, Xayzeck wrote:Fak gimme reads before you leave grib

This is the only genuine interaction/reaction to me leaving I think he’s attempted with me at all. Feels like he actually cares about my reads, which is weird because up until this point he was basically holding me at arm’s reach as a light scumread For Some Reason.

In post 1045, Xayzeck wrote:House is based on stuff you posted recently, the inconsistency in reads. I didn't really ISO him, so he's a weaker read.

Kling is also a weaker read, I honestly could take him out too but I'm just aiming to have a scumbloc to work with and I don't want too few people in it

Boon for his content. He drops in and comments and replies and his content doesn't really advance gamestate. It's like he's really distracted, very little follow up in interactions, not a lot of pushing or trying to do anything

Skold for entry post. Didn't like how he pushed you over Boon wagon, reads as chainsaw or textbook things to push without considering what the Boon wagon could do for town. There's something else but I can't check cuz mobile and it's troublesome

Kitz is kinda meh

This is probably his best contribution thus far. It takes him 18 posts to get there, but better late than never.

First read is sort of vague, also latching onto someone else’s reasoning. There’s an implication here that Xay is going to revisit this read. It’s okay.

Another weak read, also vague, feels like he’s leaving himself room to change his mind later. Meh.

Here’s a scumread on a now-townfirmed slot. I don’t really have much to say on it, except that it’s a little strange because of the secrecy.

Xayzeck, did you ever elaborate on what the ‘something else’ was? Can you share it now? Why or why not?

In post 1373, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 1252, House wrote:Can you tell me why Boon is scum?

Because he's done shit this game.
He's either just super lurk town or scum, but his content doesn't suggest he's gotten reads or he's trying to figure out something, he's posting for the sake of.

Hng.

In post 1513, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 1381, davesaz wrote:Question: do you generally tend to think lurkers are scummy? Has that been accurate for you in the past?

I don't think activity has much to do with it,
more of content provided
. If they come in every once in a while and actually do something protown, then they'd be lurktown

Sigh.

In post 1572, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 1514, Nero Cain wrote:What do you think you've done that has been pro-town?

That's not a question I can answer objectively, because I'll just say everything

ARE YOU SURE.

That’s basically all I’ve got. Here, have some town!Xayzeck ISOs from those games I mentioned above:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

And then my personal favorite, from Micro 421:

Xayzeck wrote:lol I probably fucked you guys over really hard by replacing in and not posting

sorry about that, I saw the role PM, and then I just forgot to ego post

I'll catch up by tonight hopfully, because this is a pretty long game, so i'll just skim through, and get some reads out

Glimpse of a town mindset. I don't see it in this game.

Now, having read all of this, I want EVERYBODY to give their concrete read on Xayzeck in their next post. Commit to a townread or a scumread, right fucking now. If the consensus is that he’s town, I’ll let this go, because I may or may not be beating a dead horse at this point. If only, say, two or three people defend him, I’m going to lynch the fuck out of his very fucking soul.

Yeah, I spent this entire time building a Xayzeck case rather than catching up on the game, because I'm having a hard time letting this go. Back to reading.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 3:39 am

Rubicon, how have you felt about elusive throughout the game?

elusive, how have you felt about Rubicon throughout the game?

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 3:39 am

In post 1761, Ricastle wrote:low-hanging fruit

That's what I'm afraid of.

I may just have to Serial Kill him if he doesn't step it up.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 4:05 am

Hey there PB&J.

I do, in fact, believe. And I provided evidence. Just for you.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 4:20 am

Are you always defensive about nicknames?

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 4:20 am

Also, since I guess you didn't actually read the post:

Is Xayzeck town or scum, and why? If you don't answer, I'm going to assume it's because you are unable to.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 5:48 am

Humor me.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 7:38 am

In post 1778, Rubicon wrote:I don't find it funny that Peace is on both those wagons since Peace is town and it would be kind of weird for him to vote as a bloc with his scum partner anyway.

I feel like this is the second time you've made this kind of error.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 7:44 am

Actually I may have read that incorrectly.

Ignore me.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 8:13 am

Oh, forgot to mention: I picked games that Xayzeck was a VT in (no PR games) since that's what Garmr claimed.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 8:14 am

Ricastle: acknowledging that you could be mistaken in your reads is not a contradiction.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 8:15 am

dave: the player. I didn't really pay much attention to Garmr until his claim/replace out.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 9:11 am

In post 1793, Creative wrote:Can you give an individual read on
Xayzeck
? Considering you might be wrong about your scumreads.

Piggybacking onto this: Ricastle, try to provide a Xayzeck read that relies on your analysis of his posts, not what other people have said about them.

Or at least give me a reason why he's a townread that stems from Xayzeck himself (or Garmr, I guess) and not other players.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 9:13 am

These are the people I am not townreading:

PeaceBringer
??? r Bellaphant r bewilderbeast
Vampirate r jbomber732
Boonskiies
RationalMadman r Kitz
Xayzeck r Garmr

for reference.

I am really, really bad at reading lurky people, as you can see. ,_,

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 10:07 am

Well that was a more intense reaction than I was expecting.

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 10:10 am

Also kind of weird you'd have a townread on someone without reading their posts???

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 10:20 am

I didn't say 'properly,' I said 'town or scum.' And you picked town. Without reading his posts.

What are your other reads? Or just the ones you feel strongly about (re: you've read their posts).

Grib · Sat May 02, 2015 10:38 am

Hm.

Our reads aren't that different, if you moved me and elusive to town and Bella to the lower-null area.

Grib · Sun May 03, 2015 12:33 am

PB, based on your ISO it looks like you'd only be too happy to have Xayzeck gone.

So why the elusive vote?

Grib · Sun May 03, 2015 12:34 am

And by 'why the elusive vote,' I mean, why are you voting for elusive after a tl;dr about Xayzeck the scumlord that you apparently only skimmed? Even though you lean town on me? And scum on Xayzeck?

Grib · Sun May 03, 2015 4:01 am

In post 1824, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 1786, Grib wrote:Oh, forgot to mention: I picked games that Xayzeck was a VT in (no PR games) since that's what Garmr claimed.

Pretty sure you picked a scumgame

Bluh, the first link is a scumgame; that's my bad.

I tried to pick more recent games since old ones are probably more out of date.

Grib · Sun May 03, 2015 9:29 am

Xayzeck, you're basically scumreading Boon for the exact same thing you're doing. That's something you didn't respond to that I'd say is a little important.

Grib · Sun May 03, 2015 12:30 pm

I still think he should have addressed it.

Grib · Mon May 04, 2015 5:31 am

Last I checked, there were 17 of us alive. Where is everyone?

Grib · Mon May 04, 2015 12:08 pm

In post 1604, Rubicon wrote:I'll elaborate on those reads once I read more.

I am still interested in this.

Grib · Mon May 04, 2015 3:33 pm

PeaceBringer:

In post 1819, Grib wrote:PB, based on your ISO it looks like you'd only be too happy to have Xayzeck gone.

So why the elusive vote?

In post 1820, Grib wrote:And by 'why the elusive vote,' I mean, why are you voting for elusive after a tl;dr about Xayzeck the scumlord that you apparently only skimmed? Even though you lean town on me? And scum on Xayzeck?

Grib · Mon May 04, 2015 3:41 pm

In post 1546, PeaceBringer wrote:FYI- I defened Skold as I understood the reactions skold had to me and they were typical for here. I understood the playstyle elements that were getting reactions from others. There was never a sound reason. I preferred to lynch the Xay slot as Garmr prematurely claimed and xay has done nothing. Since a vig does not seem to be active or willing to clean up the chafe we essentially are now stuck with that slot.
FYI, I lean grib town for his reaction to Xay at this point.
Xay could well be as claimed but it is going to remain mucky. FYI, I do not like Ricastle's well, skold shoulda played difference nonsense in relation to being wrong on Skold.

Now as to KC, sure, KC has really been doing nothing. So either KC is a purposefully lurking scum who does not do anything, or KC is just simply dead space. So, no loss if run up, but I lean town on KC as the exchanges she has had, make sense to me from a town perspective.

And I would actually rather pursue suspects other than Ricastle, but ricastle essentially is demanding my attention with his play. I am actually trying to sort out if he is just an arrogant ass or is scum. It is one or the other. Of course he can be an arrogant ass and still be scum.

Grib · Mon May 04, 2015 3:43 pm

Hey, elusive:

In post 1762, Grib wrote:Rubicon, how have you felt about elusive throughout the game?

elusive, how have you felt about Rubicon throughout the game?

Grib · Mon May 04, 2015 4:38 pm

Rubicon, please explain your reads like you said you would or I will judge you very harshly.

Grib · Sat May 09, 2015 4:04 pm

Just dropping by to claim the Boonskiies kill, since Rubicon suggested it before Day ended.

fake edited: will read the tl;dr later.

Grib · Sat May 09, 2015 4:11 pm

I am a lot of things.

Grib · Sat May 09, 2015 6:37 pm

I kind of really want to play a game of 'how many scum hopped on the initial Boonskiies wagon.'

Grib · Sat May 09, 2015 7:41 pm

I have this weird feeling about PB. I can't really put my finger on it.

Rubicon vouching for him because meta is okay, since I think Rubicon is town, but. Something is bugging me.

Grib · Sat May 09, 2015 8:29 pm

The wiki defines a normal Traitor as knowing the mafia's identities, but the mafia only know that a Traitor exists.

Grib · Mon May 11, 2015 9:38 am

I was waffling on House a little bit because I liked Nero for town, but I kind of liked RIP's entrance so I guess he can be town too.

Grib · Mon May 11, 2015 9:39 am

In post 1795, Grib wrote:These are the people I am not townreading:

PeaceBringer
Tay r Bellaphant r bewilderbeast
Vampirate r jbomber732

Boonskiies

RationalMadman r Kitz

Xayzeck r Garmr

for reference.

I am really, really bad at reading lurky people, as you can see. ,_,

These people should convince me not to shoot them toNight.

Grib · Mon May 11, 2015 9:47 am

In post 2151, elusive wrote:Grib baby are you town?

I have dropped nuclear bomb-sized hints about what I am.

(Hint: a Serial Killer.)

Grib · Mon May 11, 2015 9:49 am

Actually, I think I'm the only player so far who's killed scum?

But it was due to Rubicon's suggestion.

Everyone should sheep us.

Grib · Mon May 11, 2015 9:54 am

Ricastle, are you still scumreading me, or have you given up on that hopeless dream?

Grib · Mon May 11, 2015 10:28 am

Well, I didn't intend to push people to claim right off the bat, but. I'll roll with it.

Grib · Mon May 11, 2015 10:29 am

Also, I'm not actually a Serial Killer. I just enjoy mocking Ricastle from my super comfortable town position.

Rubicon would know my role if he put 2 and 2 together and maybe another 2 for good measure.

Grib · Mon May 11, 2015 10:32 am

Yes, please shoot me. If you dare.

Grib · Mon May 11, 2015 10:33 am

In post 1795, Grib wrote:These are the people I am not townreading:

PeaceBringer

Tay r Bellaphant r bewilderbeast
Vampirate r jbomber732

Boonskiies

RationalMadman r Kitz

Xayzeck r Garmr

for reference.

I am really, really bad at reading lurky people, as you can see. ,_,

Grib · Mon May 11, 2015 10:35 am

PeaceBringer has a completely different avatar.

Grib · Mon May 11, 2015 10:36 am

In post 2175, RIP wrote:Grib why do u say rubicon helped u kill boon?

In post 1899, Rubicon wrote:
Boonskiies would have been a better lynch choice today imo. Getting harder to believe he's actually town.

I still think bellaphant seems like overly cautious scum, and I didn't like her post buddying ricastle.

The errant vs vampirate thing really deserves more attention than it's getting (which is basically no attention).

Grib · Mon May 11, 2015 10:37 am

In post 2180, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2174, Grib wrote:
In post 1795, Grib wrote:These are the people I am not townreading:

PeaceBringer

Tay r Bellaphant r bewilderbeast
Vampirate r jbomber732

Boonskiies

RationalMadman r Kitz

Xayzeck r Garmr

for reference.

I am really, really bad at reading lurky people, as you can see. ,_,

please add elusive

Nah. Maybe later, if she doesn't up her activity.