New York 182 - Game Over

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Hello all.
So, I'm on page 8 so far, and here are my initial thoughts, just from those pages:

Antihero leans somewhat scum
TheFuzzy/Choof leans very slightly scum, even after looking past the "I'm a noob, I don't understand" claim
Gorkington reads town to me
Kitten/Droog I can't read. Either noob town, or bad mafia
Marquis reads town to me
Seohyun, with her one informative post up to that point, leans somewhat scum
Thor I have no idea how to read.
Varsoon seems slightly town, but I can't tell because of the early wagon placed upon him.

Working on getting caught up, will give more reads later.

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question.

how does it feel like to replace into a scum slot?

I'm not scum.

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ika, no I need to reread. I ignored some of the game bc of excessive drama and all the damn replaces. i'll reread tomorrow and iso scums and then give you something. there was a lot of sniping in the game that was blah.

if you vote otolia/mnemoic no reread needed

Interesting.

Can someone explain the case on Otalia .... sorry but I dont understand how he is being read as scum?

his love for varsoon and lying
At least, that's why I was trying to probe at him before

hey mnemonicdevice, are you good at acting town[/quote]

What kinda leading question is that?

mmnemeonefincic's first post doesn't make me feel better about him.

What about my first post?

players who arent saying a lot
and are being just coy in the thread

Says the person who just spamposted like a dozen useless posting. Fluff is just as bad as not posting at all. There was hardly anything in that chain of posts that was not fluff.

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Ok, on page 30, and my reads on everyone are:
Albert/Notscience- Not enough posts at this point, leaning slightly town from Notscience's first couple posts though
Antihero- I can't read him. I'm thinking town tho
Boonskiis- No posts.
Choof/TheFuzzy- No read.
Copper- He reads town, his analysis and playstyle this game feels town to me
Elusive- SCUM. Nearly all of his posts up to that point feel scummy to me.
Flubber- No read, feels like lurking via fluff, although a couple content posts
Gorkington- A strong town read for this one
House- His playstyle confuses me, but I'm leaning scum
Kitten/Droog- Got a noob town read from Kitten's posts
Marquis- Not enough posts for me to be conclusive here
OkaPoka- Slight scum read
Pisskop- Slightly scummy, but not sure
Seohyun- So much lurk.
Thor665- I get a helpful town read on him
Varsoon- Ugh. I feel scum, but then his play after "Not actually hated, just wanted to survive. plz dont hurt me" reads town
ZZZX- Slight town read, from his few posts so far.

for now, VOTE: Elusive

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Caught up. Reads haven't changed much from last post, except my read on oka is far stronger than previously. I still find elusive more scummy than him though.

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Have you taken into account the flips?

Yup, IMO Sakura's flip helps Varsoon's case but hurts oka's. I don't know what to make of Formerfish's flip. For Flames's flip I need to go back and look at the posts leading up to his lynch.

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So therefore, you have not read carefully or taken into account the flips and trajectories. Good to know.

How so?

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Sakura and the other scum flip... You mean Formerfish/SilverWolf?

Former said nothing to/about you, nor payed attention to you or really anyone. SilverWolf's only post involving you was an RVS vote on you. Tell me how that is "a lot of attention" please.

Sakura's posts involving you are as follows:

Post #226: Comment on RVS
Post #255: Didn't like that you hadn't posted anything relevant
Post #266: Setup debate
Post #272: She votes you, but not a whole lot of attention yet.
Post #310: She states "She's watching you" YOU STILL aren't under any real pressure from her
Post #518: Comments on your comment about Flubber's meta.
Post #548: Comments on your reason for voting Varsoon.
Post #623: "elusive is... odd, probably my weakest scumread of the 3 at this point."
Post #894: Puts you as 3rd on her list of scum suspects

That is all. I don't think this constitutes "a lot of attention". It is only 9 posts, only 7 of which are pointing out things about you, the other two are just setup/RQS discussion. My general feel from reading this part of Sakura's ISO is that she was trying to make it seem like she had been placing pressure on you, so that if/when she flipped, you would look better. My take of it was that she never really made any points against you, just kept you in the "Scum" category to try and make you seem better if she died first.

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Ok, I have some extra time, so I'll start re-reading ISOs.

Albert/Notscience ISO:
Albert did nothing. Notscience's first post is interesting.

here I was all excited to talk to my scumbuds but no daychat, fuck my life. I'll talk to you people instead!
VOTE: Sakura
:>
I also avent decided if im going to read up or not \o/

So he hasn't read the thread, makes comment about talking to scumbuds, which I would see as joking, but he votes Sakura in the next line, who flipped mafia. Minor distancing?

You know as well as I do how obvtown I am

Do we?

Sakura if you haven't already sorted me out there's not much I can do to help you

I'm not sure of what to make of this, but I feel as though it is relevant.

oka is scummy

He was scummy in the last game I played with him too tbh

also insert contentless post so sakura cant read me because i dont want her to catch on im scum

Yet another post to Sakura, that doesn't really say anything.

You're pretty much the /only/ person I'm interacting with

at this point she comes out and says it. This is either extreme lazyness, or her trying to cover up her distancing.

VOTE: FoD

that was easy

one scum down two to go

But notsci, you masterful scumhunter you, why is FoD scum?

His interaction with sakura. It reads as him trying to give her a reason not to pursue him further. Make himself toxic for her so that she will ignore him, and make others feel like if they approach him or are even in the zip code he will do the same. That's not soemthing town does, trying to make people want to avoid them. That's something scum does.

LATAH NERDS

Seems only to be paying attention to Sakura's gameplay, and the people around her.

Hey Sakura
You figured out I'm town yet

SAKURA

You say that now
But your scumflip at the end of D1 says otherwise
pedit-
nope, because I'm not stupid enough to take your bait.
You know, your plan to make me emotional so I either A) disengage, or b) so blindly pursue it based on emotion you can paint it as such and squirm out
I'm quite fine purging you as is.
pedit-
It's a scum strategy, don't let it phase you.

One of the few posts that doesn't reference Sakura in some way.

Then the next dozen or so posts are puppy pictures and cheers for people voting FoD

Otolia is sketch as fuck tbh.
My current scumteam looks something like
Flames
Otolia
Sakura
others

Then, after FoD is pushed nearly to lynch, she posts this, putting Sakura "on her scum list" but not high enough for her to be in any danger.

Then, some posts about Otolia

VOTE: otolia

Sakura's jump on the wagon was the obvious scum one

However otolia's reaction to said wagon was also a scum reaction, it was whiteknighting that completely ignored the actual points Aka, trying to look like he cared about the outcome but not actually doing anything to prevent it.

Then, a vote for Otolia, even though Sakura is obv scum according to this post.

And finally, a post asking Anti if he is town.

I've changed my stance on Notsci, he is mafia.

Still think Elusive is scum of some kind though. Gonna put an FoS on him, and change the vote to Notsci.

VOTE: UNVOTE
VOTE: Notscience

By the way everyone, you can call me Md, mnem, or device, but plz not mmnemeonefincic.

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I'm sorry, I default to the pronoun "he" whenever I'm too lazy to look back and check player's gender.

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Ok, I have some extra time, so I'll start re-reading ISOs.

Albert/Notscience ISO:
Albert did nothing. Notscience's first post is interesting.

Yep.

here I was all excited to talk to my scumbuds but no daychat, fuck my life. I'll talk to you people instead!
VOTE: Sakura
:>
I also avent decided if im going to read up or not \o/

So he hasn't read the thread, makes comment about talking to scumbuds, which I would see as joking, but he votes Sakura in the next line, who flipped mafia. Minor distancing?

Yep, definitely! I mean, you could look at PvZ where I flat out claimed scum and claimed I was bussing, as well as claimed I was spamming the thread to induce apathy. It fits my meta just right as scum.

Ok.

You know as well as I do how obvtown I am

Do we?

This was a statement based on my meta of being easily seen as town. Not based so much on this game, although I was chiding her for not townreading me yet.

Ok.

Sakura if you haven't already sorted me out there's not much I can do to help you

I'm not sure of what to make of this, but I feel as though it is relevant.

What you are looking for is- "He told her in the scum PT to townread him and she didn't so now he's throwing her to the sharks

Oh, is that what I am looking for?

oka is scummy

He was scummy in the last game I played with him too tbh

also insert contentless post so sakura cant read me because i dont want her to catch on im scum

Yet another post to Sakura, that doesn't really say anything.

It's almost like Sakura is the person on this playerlist I'm closest too and play with the most :O uh oh, I must be scum with the mod, the comod, and the mod's girlfriend then too! I mean, I focus talks on all my friends, so clearly that means I'm scum with them.

Hmm.

You're pretty much the /only/ person I'm interacting with

at this point she comes out and says it. This is either extreme lazyness, or her trying to cover up her distancing.

Me? Lazy? Never. But no, it's clearly distancing by talking to my scumbuddy instead of just shoving them away and leaving them in the mass with everyone else, you're too slick for me!

Love the shield of sarcasm

VOTE: FoD

that was easy

one scum down two to go

But notsci, you masterful scumhunter you, why is FoD scum?

His interaction with sakura. It reads as him trying to give her a reason not to pursue him further. Make himself toxic for her so that she will ignore him, and make others feel like if they approach him or are even in the zip code he will do the same. That's not soemthing town does, trying to make people want to avoid them. That's something scum does.

LATAH NERDS

Seems only to be paying attention to Sakura's gameplay, and the people around her.

Yep, because sorting friends are my priority. She, being the person I'm closest to this game, is my biggest priority as friends are where my downfall always is. But no, you're right, being obsessed with talking to friends must mean I'm scum with them

I went and looked up some meta on you, and realized that this is how you play

every

game

Hey Sakura
You figured out I'm town yet

SAKURA

Yep!

You say that now
But your scumflip at the end of D1 says otherwise
pedit-
nope, because I'm not stupid enough to take your bait.
You know, your plan to make me emotional so I either A) disengage, or b) so blindly pursue it based on emotion you can paint it as such and squirm out
I'm quite fine purging you as is.
pedit-
It's a scum strategy, don't let it phase you.

One of the few posts that doesn't reference Sakura in some way.

Then the next dozen or so posts are puppy pictures and cheers for people voting FoD

Tactfully omitted because they don't prove your case

Tactfully omitted because they are fluff. Plus the stuff about FoD, but yes, I omitted those because they aren't proof of my case

Otolia is sketch as fuck tbh.
My current scumteam looks something like
Flames
Otolia
Sakura
others

Then, after FoD is pushed nearly to lynch, she posts this, putting Sakura "on her scum list" but not high enough for her to be in any danger.

Then, some posts about Otolia

Except that wasn't a strength ranking, it was a /team/ list. She's lower because I wanted her around more, yes.

VOTE: otolia

Sakura's jump on the wagon was the obvious scum one

However otolia's reaction to said wagon was also a scum reaction, it was whiteknighting that completely ignored the actual points Aka, trying to look like he cared about the outcome but not actually doing anything to prevent it.

Then, a vote for Otolia, even though Sakura is obv scum according to this post.

Oh, you can vote people after they die? Show me how.

No, you can't vote people after their deaths, I made a mistake in ISOing you here, confusing the beginning of day 1

And finally, a post asking Anti if he is town.

I thought I posted 2/3

Did I only post 1?

That was the only one I saw in the ISO

I've changed my stance on Notsci, he is mafia.

Still think Elusive is scum of some kind though. Gonna put an FoS on him, and change the vote to Notsci.

VOTE: UNVOTE
VOTE: Notscience

By the way everyone, you can call me Md, mnem, or device, but plz not mmnemeonefincic.

I'm calling you scumfuck because I calls them as I sees them.

Like a whale biologist? (Futurama reference, anyone?)

also, lol omgus

also,

Spoiler: PUPPY

OOOOH another puppy? Yet another puppy?

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@Seo: Reasons why ZZZX feels town to me-
Gut feel from one content containing post

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Is ZZZX the only one of my reads you disagree with?

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LOL, I didn't start with Thor, at least I don't think so I'm having trouble not mixing up games. Probably in too many of them.

Thor stop soft buddying me, it won't work.

Why is Seo scum and not mnemnic who 1. Didn't read the thread 2. Made cases without reading the thread 3. Sheeped scum's scum reads

I'll vote him once I can spell the name right.

1 and 2 rely on the false notion that I didn't read the thread, where did you get that from?
3 Who's reads did I sheep?

there's literally 2 pages between those

you can't legitimately have a townread on someone and 2 pages later suddenly think "no read, not enough posts"

There were 22 pages of reading done in between these posts.

See, on the first post, I had only read up to pg 8, whereas the other I read up to page 30.
I had a town read on you at pg 8

Well that doesn't work for me since i get reads out of interaction...
Unless you have some sort of deep reason to not want to interact with me.

i just feel whenever i interact with you i become... emotionally compromised

in other words i've formed townreads on you before without incident when you've been arguing things that aren't a scumread on me or that i'm wrong and just. i'm probably going to need some space to breathe. i don't want you to think i hate you but i think playing together works better like this.

because of this post mostly

but then by page 30 I was unsure of that read; I wanted more content before I placed a read on you again.

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@elusive: Since I assume you have read the thread, can you name the gender of all the players in this game, without looking back?

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BUT ---!

My gut is a good gut. Its not 100% accurate, but its led my team to astounding victories.

This rings my scum radar.

You're the guy complaining about my arguments being "semantic based" while also refusing to have a conversation describing your thoughts because I used "he" instead of "she" and wish to present it as some sort of moral high ground in the game of Mafia?

Seriously?

This is the

exact

point that I made, but elusive made it such a big deal.
Also why @ika are you defending elusive so much?

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No, I'll explain why it rings my scumdar. It's because it sounds like you are trying to put evidence to you not elaborating on your claims, or giving reasons for them. Not giving reasons for reads when asked is scummy, ergo it pings my scumdar.

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If you remember, I disliked the "puppies for votes" thing also

It's not that you are gut reading, but that you are saying that you have awesome gut reads, and that it has lead your team to victory before, it is that you are trying to justify your gut reads as justifyable claims, because you have won with it before.

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Also @Elusive, I'm not going to continue arguing about how me mistyping/misreading/misjudging your gender in my posts makes me not have read the thread. As Thor said, it simply isn't game relevant.

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Youre misunderstanding what happened.

Im not trying to justify not doing work by saying I have a good instinct. Ive already explained my cases, and ssm bolstering them with my claim.

Youre claiming I havent explained myself; a reachy claim to begin with.

I do agree that you have explained yourself, I simply found it weird that you pointed out how you are good at finding scum, its comparable in my eyes to using the defense "but I'm no good at playing town" when at L-1. It might be true, but it is not a very good defense.

@Elusive: Sorry if I unintentionally offended you.

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Hey thor how is having no scum reads town?

How is tunneling on varsoon town?

How is mnemonic's reads list town?

Why is the otalia slot allowed to be Smurftons more incompetent than your scumread elusive

and still be Smurfing town?

1. I agree it is not particularly pro-town, but it is hardly proof of pro-scum play either. I have been town with no town reads - has that never happened to you?

2. How is it scummy? I submit it is neutral. Hell, yesterday *I* tunneled on Varsoon - so, do you think I'm scum too?

3. How is it scummy?

4. I have not called Elusive scum for being incompetent. I have also not called Mneumonic, nor Otolia, town. I have asked for the case on them...I am generally being met with empty rhetoric. Which...eh, is a thing - but I'm not sure if people honestly expect it to convince me when I'm sitting on multiple scumspects with cases I can actually describe.

When I have no reads I admit it and give some attempt to explain why. I don't tunnelfuck the vi to cover it up.

Marquis has an inconsitency in mnenomic's reads list that you say isn't worthy of sheeping while going on about your own inconsistencies with elusive that require a lot more mental gymnasics to follow (I really don't know what your problem is with her tbh). It's like the case with the longest word count gives you the hardest boner.

There's also the fact that mnemonic slot has done nothing between two separate players to forward the game state. And its so bad,

the slot is still being referred to as otalia's slot.

Because that's next to all there is to look at.

Marquis's inconsistency isn't an inconsistency, as I explained http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6697853here, I had read 22 more pages in between the two reads lists.
Did my ISO of Notscience not add anything to the game?

Also, who are your scumreads, if I look back it looks like Me the strongest, Varsoon, followed by fuzzy? Is there anyone else? Who is your strongest town read right now?

@Varsoon who is your strongest scumread currently? Why?

@TheFuzzy: Is thor a town read?

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Really, i've already explained all of them but ok, i'll condense it for people unable to ISO like you.
Otolia: Not wanting to scumhunt outside of Varsoon and IIoA as pointed out by Flubber before, wanting to "confirm Varsoon's a hated" despite already being confirmed that he isn't.
pisskop: Lashing out at anti, making him look toxic just to end up voting him as soon as copper jumped onto him, thinking opportunistic scum atm.
elusive: too passive and careful about voting Varsoon back then when it mattered, rather jumping on Flubber and then doing nothing.
You: Role Fishing.
copper: Mostly coz i didnt like his reasoning for voting anti, but im doubting that read at this point.
Fuzzy: Left overs from choof, replacement hasnt made me feel any better but it's a stale read at this point.

otalia: not confident, as tunnelers can and seem to be town a lot.
pisskop: ehh maybe
elusive: from my experience he does nothing until he find one scum and then tunnels the shit out of them
me: no
cooper: you don't even want to vote him so whatevs
fuzzy: NULL

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That wasn't supposed to happen
Ignore that, for now

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Here's an ISO analysis of Oka:

After taking a shower, I was thinking if Varsoon's hated claim made sense.

There are two possibilities:
Varsoon is maf or a pr.

The end

Speculation on Varsoon's claim--

Why try so hard to push a scummate's fakeclaim that he's already retracted? It's one thing to try and and bus a scummate, but his thought process is too strange and directed to be coming from a place of "I am hoping to get towncred from this" when really what he's doing would clearly just confuse people.

I am actually thinking otalia scum.

But you are right, it wouldn't make any sense for them to be on a team.

But it could be sk and maf.

@Anti i am

-- Thinks Otolia and Varsoon are scum, but not scum together

VOTE: varsoon

Sakura vote varsoon pls.

Like seriously he is scum.

He is stalling, and why would you trust a liar. He is blatantly backstabbing you and you don't even realize it.

Provides reason for Varsoon case

piss,
how is like being on a scumteam with varsoon?

Piss is now a scumread

who are u suggesting to lynch?

I have multiple candidates on my scumreads from strong to weak

Otolia
pisskop
elusive
You
copper
Fuzzy

Take your pick

explain each of the your candidates.

Asks people to explain their scumreads, yet he hasn't explained

A SINGLE ONE

of his cases except Varsoon's whose case is summed up by "Don't trust a liar"

VOTE: flame of disaster

i guess ill go sheep notty

Sheeps Notscience, for no apparent reason.

Really, i've already explained all of them but ok, i'll condense it for people unable to ISO like you.
Otolia: Not wanting to scumhunt outside of Varsoon and IIoA as pointed out by Flubber before, wanting to "confirm Varsoon's a hated" despite already being confirmed that he isn't.
pisskop: Lashing out at anti, making him look toxic just to end up voting him as soon as copper jumped onto him, thinking opportunistic scum atm.
elusive: too passive and careful about voting Varsoon back then when it mattered, rather jumping on Flubber and then doing nothing.
You: Role Fishing.
copper: Mostly coz i didnt like his reasoning for voting anti, but im doubting that read at this point.
Fuzzy: Left overs from choof, replacement hasnt made me feel any better but it's a stale read at this point.

otalia: not confident, as tunnelers can and seem to be town a lot.
pisskop: ehh maybe
elusive: from my experience he does nothing until he find one scum and then tunnels the shit out of them
me: no
cooper: you don't even want to vote him so whatevs
fuzzy: NULL

Finally, a post of content. Now retracts some of his read upon Otolia, now he isn't confident. The rest of the list he is quite wishy-washy upon as well, except that he isn't scum in his own eyes, and nor is Fuzzy.

btw i still want varsoon dead.

WHY

CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US WHY

PLEASE

Then, in following posts he sheeps Notscience on the FoD wagon.

Get rolled, Scum.
I was one-shot Vig. I shot Sakura.
I also received something overnight, by the by.
Gimme a sec and I'll pull up the post where I essentially said I'd kill Sakura.

i <3 you

Stance change on Varsoon, because he claims Vig, but in such a way that it isn't verifyable.

forst order of business:

elusive are you town?

ika I'm always fucking town, these days I'm town against my will which is frustrating.

however, what will happen when I do roll scum and you ask that question? How will I get around it?

thats for you to figure out darling

if i told you now you would use it to counter me.

ok so i have concluded elusive is town.

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elusive do you have a rainbow read list for me? i have only been losely paying attention but i would like to hear from you

u should vote mnemoicadeivce/otolia

And yet again, pushes Otolia wagon, without saying anything.

ika, no I need to reread. I ignored some of the game bc of excessive drama and all the damn replaces. i'll reread tomorrow and iso scums and then give you something. there was a lot of sniping in the game that was blah.

if you vote otolia/mnemoic no reread needed

Then this is posted, further trying to push the wagon, without evidence, and also doesn't want ika to look for evidence either...

Posts this:

Are these rhetorical questions ? Right now there isn't anything better to do than making sure the town is set on a decision regarding Varsoon's lies. Call me old-school but lying as town should be a basis for a policy lynch in any and all normal scenarii.

Also I was waiting for people to do something else than vote me and be done with it - like Seohyun above, just so we can get some productive work going but it seems it shall not be the case. I was trying to reason with Sakura Hana but she can't grasp the difference between explicit and implicit, so that's sad. House hasn't replied to my question here.

Not rhetorical questions, pls answer. Also, what's your idea of productive work? getting varsoon lynched? Everything else is unimportant?
Is there anyone else you have a read on besides varsoon? Share your opinions, I promise it be won't harmful in establishing good reads or your money back!

They were rhetorical questions. You can't possibly ask me directly if I'm scum. You may not like the way I play but I've been playing Mafia IRL for more than a decade. Do you really think that were I scum, I would admit to be ? Don't be ridiculous. I shall not answer any of your first questions aside from re-iterating that I have no emotional connections with Varsoon. His play is objectively bad and he should be treated as a liability.

1. Productive work is work that leads to the desired specific outcome. When you're fishing, you don't just grab the first rod you find and go to the river, no you prepare your rod to catch the specific fish you want and you organize yourself so that you can indeed catch it. Same with scumhunting, throwing a wide net and hoping to catch scum with it is fine, not moving on to specifics afterwards is the mark of poor town play. Note that this is what I flagged Flubbernugget doing.

2. Varsoon is a liability, he lied about his abilities before L-1, then got caught and admitted said lie. Now he is saying he can proves his alignment by tomorrow. I do believe there is a strong possibility he is town (and a PR at that), but I can't feel but intrigued as to why he decided to act before L-1. So far, he has not given town enough to trust him. If he is indeed town-aligned, he has fucked up immensely but still acts as if he were the sole person able to help town. This is incredibly arrogant and foolish for someone who succumbs to the first wagon in a Large game. I think lynching him is the safest play and it's the one I advocate. But consensus needs to be achieved regarding his actions. And at that point, I believe his death by lynch or Vig would be better than his death by NK. In the first case, we control and people are held accountable, in the second, we don't really know. What if he is killed by someone and we can't see his alignment or his previous abilities ? There is too much breadcrumb left by Varsoon for me to ignore and move on to another case. As such I shall remain on his wagon until people start acting rationally.

3. Right now, everyone is in the same gray area. I am leaning scum on House, Flames of Disaster and Flubbernugget while there is probably scum among the people not posting much.

@House :

Varsoon has been very liberal with his words. What he says holds little value to me until he redeems himself. Still that's a start. But that's not enough, what prevents anyone from pulling the same shit and cruise off in the sunset ? If we are going to do this, then I want everyone voting or having vote on Varsoon to agree to lynch him tomorrow in the event he fails to deliver. No backsies, no discussion, just pure rational decision making. With 8 people it's enough to drive a wagon so big, it won't matter if scum is in it.

UNVOTE: Varsoon

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The Covenant of Varsoon

Varsoon shall be voted D2 if he can't prove his town alignment by the following players

:

• Sakura Hana
  
  
• House
  
  
• Otolia
  
  
• Thor665
  
• Formerfish
  
• Flames of Disaster
  
• Marquis
  
• Antihero

If you are on this list, please confirm that you will act without ANY questions or conditions ask, or you shall be held accountable as well.

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@droog

: Can you please write my name correctly ?

You know the only difference between you and SleepyKrew is that you're not insufferable.

The amount of backing off when I said that I could be confirmed, the people asking for claim from me, the PR-read insistence, the LITERALLY WRITING A LIST TO SET ME UP FOR A QUICK LYNCH AFTER I GET BLOCKED TONIGHT, etc.

Shit's mad obvious.

Or it could be that you're lying (AGAIN) and are trying to see if you can pave a way to more lying. But it's easier to blame someone else than accept one's own shortcomings.

@notscience : Well that was fast. I'm wondering where you're coming from since we had a misunderstanding and you keep writing with this weird formatting as if you were illiterate. But fine, we'll get to that in due time.

y

flames, claim

WHAT ?! FUCK NO ! If he is voting himself, we can assume he is not a PR. That would be retarded. Thus no claiming. Either he unvotes himself and starts playing or he is lynched.

NO FUCKING CLAIMING !

Lynch!

Flames of Disaster has been lynched. He was a

Town Watcher

.

It is now Night 1. Please submit all Night Actions within (expired on 2015-03-19 19:10:00).

sample of his scum

Without at all explaining it. Walls are not good, if they do nothing.

I find it suspicious that elusive and Thor are essentially tunneling each other but aren't even voting each other, instead they are voting the same DAMN person!

This is the only non "LYNCH OTOLIA HE'S SCUM" post in quite a while.

Then, following this are three more "Vote Mnemonic" posts... and that is all.

This is the most active lurker/fluffposter I've seen in a while. I'll explain more when I get back later tonight on this read.


Pedit: No, I don't think marquis inconsistency is a scumtell, just a mistake in a game with so many posts.

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@TheFuzzylogic99 This is how Oka has been all game, making votes without hardly a case to be seen.

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So, is this the point where I do a Varsoon, claim non-normal thing like Lynchee, then later retract it because I am "under too much pressure"??

Lolnope.

@Pisskop: What is your opinion on Oka?

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@Oka Please give me a non-terrible reason for why you are pushing my wagon so much. Please be more elaborate than the sentence "you're scum" because that isn't true. VOTE: Unvote \

VOTE: OkaPoka

I don't care if your meta says that you always play without explaining your votes. It is a terrible practice for town, and in my opinion worth a policy lynch at least.

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So, I went through the entire game (well, just through the votecounts, so I may have missed one or two votes that were quickly switched), made a circle of all the players, and all of the votes were represented as an arrow, the things I noticed were:

-Nearly everyone has been on the Varsoon wagon at some time, the exceptions are:
--NS: Whose only votes have been on Gork and me
--Gork: Whose only votes have been on SW/FF and me
--Flub: Whose only vote has been on me
--OkaPoka: Whose only votes have been on FoD and me
--Seoh- Whose only votes were on Marquis and me
Thats all... five players in a game of 21, some of which have been quite inactive. Note how the only people who stayed off of the Varsoon wagon have only had a few votes, and all of them have voted me..

-Boon has only voted Varsoon. Ever. Then he comes out of the blue with nearly 0 posts and claims that he wishes to hammer me, but then takes it back as a joke.
-Seoh has only vote me, and has only been voted on by Anti.

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So btw all, the VC apparently don't include a majority of the votes that actually happened. I guess that analysis was useless.

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@copper and thor, so long as I didn't miss a vote anywhere, if you used only the VC then you would recieve the exact same results as I got. Policy lynch me for lying if that is wrong.

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Can you guys put a couple more votes mneumic so I can hammer, and not have Antihero STEAL IT FROM ME!!!!!!!!

Yes lets just drop in ... push for a lynch and than likely disappear until its time to hammer. This post is beyond horrible. But for fun what is your reasoning to lynch Mdevice. Also if you think he scum why not vote for him??????? How is this post remotely town.

See now this is just annoying. This is you taking something that's obviously not serious. People really need to take them sticks out their butts. You are trying to turn this into a scummy post, when really it's not alignment indicative. At all. Studies show, yes studies , that the BoonMan likes to hammer. I've had people ask me if I have a program created that alerts me everytime someone gets to L-1. Also, I've found that people who push me like this usually are bad town and scum. Which are you?

And you are turning this into an argument that TFL is scum/bad town? It is irritating that you appear only to make a joke post, and not something of content

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Huh...so you are the only one actually helping the town right??

No - but I do think I stand in an unhappily tiny circle.

How large is the circle? Without listing who, how many in this circle are townreads?

What is worse about Antis dodges as oppose to NS???

Not much, I consider them very even, personally. What is worse about NS's compared to Anti? Anti has the larger wagon.
Wanna vote Anti?

Honestly, in 12 hours if Anti hasn't done something of content, I would be willing to switch over to the Anti wagon

So btw all, the VC apparently don't include a majority of the votes that actually happened. I guess that analysis was useless.

So if I were to use VC's only I would get your list?

This looks worthy of a double check.

As stated above, yup.

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Gonna do an Anti ISO, brb

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Nvm, its late

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Logic isn't the tool you use to catch scum? Btw all, I would be fine with a policy lynch for that statement alone on Boonskiiiiiiiies.

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what are you doing
that you can watch the thread
and respond faster than the time it took me
to write that post

eh i could bitch more but youve got a fair point
i dont like marquise
zzzx is pinging a few bells
these two especially for being the sort of

whooro

players who arent saying a lot
and are being just coy in the thread

These.

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Hello all.
So, I'm on

page 8 so far[color], and here are my initial thoughts, just from those pages:

Antihero leans somewhat scum
[/bTheFuzzy/Choof leans very slightly scum, even after looking past the "I'm a noob, I don't understand" claim
Gorkington reads town to me

Kitten/Droog I can't read. Either noob town, or bad mafia

Marquis r

eads town to me

Seohyun, with her one informative post up to that point, leans somewhat scum

Thor I have no idea how to read.

V

arsoon seems slightly town, but I can't tell because of the early wagon placed up

on him.

Working on getting caught up, will give more reads later.

Ok, on page 30

, and my reads on everyone are:
Albert/Notscience- Not enough posts at this point, leaning slightly town from Notscience's first couple posts though

Antihero- I can't read him. I'm thinking town tho

Boonskiis- No posts.
Choof/TheFuzzy- No read.
Copper- He reads town, his analysis and playstyle this game feels town to me
Elusive- SCUM. Nearly all of his posts up to that point feel scummy to me.
Flubber- No read, feels like lurking via fluff, although a couple content posts
Gorkington- A strong town read for this one
House- His playstyle confuses me, but I'm leaning scum

Kitten/Droog- Got a noob town read from Kitten's posts

Marquis-

Not enough posts for me to be conclusive here

OkaPoka- Slight scum read
Pisskop- Slightly scummy, but not sure
Seohyun- So much lurk.

Thor665- I get a helpful town read on him

Varsoon- Ugh. I feel scum, but then his play after "Not actually hated, just wanted to survive. plz dont hurt me" reads town

ZZZX- Slight town read, from his few posts so far.

for now, VOTE: Elusive

bolded the interseting read changed
of note

thor was 'no idea how to read' but became 'helpful town'
marquis was 'reads town' but becoems 'not enough posts'
i was town / noob scum but the noob scum part is dropped.
all based on kitten's posts. nothin i did. what changed?
anti and varsoon change without reason

lemme change the color of the part you are missing here...

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Why is elusive on your 'would lynch' list then?

there wasn't any head whispering on that one

So is this like a gut feel?

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UNVOTE: Not Science
I am not sure if I am just doing a crappy job of making a case for NS scum or if if people are just ignoring me. Prob just sucking

I was going to vote Anti but some of MD recent comments made me rethink him as possible scum.I could see me voting either one .
I still want to lynch NS but I know at this point he going to survive another day.

So because you are unsure between the two of us, you aren't going to put your vote on either wagon?

Pedit: oh, so you did

@Marquis nope, I just wanted to know what the phrase "head whispering" meant, because I had never heard that phrase before.

Post-Pedit: @Gork- Thanks for the scumslip.

TRIPLE NINJA'D WHY

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Come at me. I guess you will see me on the other side, on the dead pt.
@Gork: What advantage does a claim from me grant town at this point?

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^THIS^ is town Antihero

Ok, @Gork, I can tell you that my roll begins with:
"Vanilla"
and ends with....

drumroll please...

...."Townie"

Aand I know that that won't gain me any towncred, so lets just lynch me quickly and get this day over with.

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I haven't died, btw just being lame about posting

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I could push a NS wagon

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Thought it was important to get a reason for your vote and for your not to easily ignore it if and when you came back. Nothing less and nothing more. Piss refuses to explain his random vote and than tries to make me look scummy for asking about it. Ugh

Not sure where this sudden NS wagon is coming from.I mean I have been pushing for this for a while and suddenly my push gets attention. Who am I to complain. Any ways I am 99 percent sure NS will flip scum. I am so sure if he flip town you all can quick lynch me tomorrow.

If he does flip town I dont think I will make it till tomorrow.

More votes NS
if you need me to restae my case or have questions on NS is scum let me know. Any comment questions are welcomed.

How does what's bolded make any sense? Why would scum kill you tonight if NS flips town?
Two scenarios
1. You are town and when NS flips town, town will just kill you tomorrow anyways, why would they kill you?
2. You are scum, and when NS flips town, why would scum kill themselves?

I guess there is the scenario of multiball,

where you are opposing scum team, but why would they waste their nightkill if you will get "quicklynched by town tomorrow"

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I'm seriously tired of mn dodging lynches

Is this a thing he does often? Im still willing to lynch it.

NS is at L-2. I am sorry that I forgot to declare vla for the past couple days, I was inactive sitewide because I had a giant history paper to write. I am back now. If somebody puts another vote on NS, treat it as though you are hammering, because BS has declared intent to hammer. I am not going to move my vote to her, until she has activity again, or the day nears it's time limit, because I want a claim before she dies.

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@Varsoon: why are you comfortable with putting down the hammer, especially if this is your reasoning?

NS had weird talk with Sakura early and lots of puppies but why lynch that?

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Why the flash wagon on Thor?

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At a day left till deadline, 3 votes is a flashwagon, yes

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especially without explaining the sudden change of heart

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Whoops, forgot about deadline extension. Not-so-much a flash wagon, but still kinda because reasons weren't well given for the change.

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you know, i used to have a scum tell for mnemonicdevice that went "if he ever puts effort into the game, and especially if he does a PBPA, he's scum"

i wonder if that still holds

Its been a few years. I now try to put at least a little effort into all my games

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VOTE: Notscience I am no longer putting it up to l-1, and it's close enough to deadline, so here's my vote as promised

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We need a lynch, even though I don't quite see the logic in this wagon:

VOTE: THOR

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mn i think is me whereas mm would be muffin man. yet another reason why mm and mn should not be used as abbreviations. What do you want Flubber?

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I have more posts than anyone else on that list. Also... I joined in halfway through the game.

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Sorry all, kinda v/la right now because laptop died. Posting from another computer, but only have limited access right now. Will hopefully be back before the end of the week.