NY 184: a help (done)

[Elyse]

What Oversoul said lol

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

[Elyse]

VOTE: The Bulge

[Elyse]

Why is it a joke? Do you just not like the sheeping or Matt's reasons?

[Elyse]

It's more the fact that everyone is using it as a convenient diversion to avoid addressing me and Jake.

I think you're town. Jake might be town, might not be. If he's scum, it's not for the reasons you posted.

[Elyse]

I will catch up later

[Elyse]

I swear tonight I will catch up!!! Sorry I've been very busy.

[Elyse]

Ok starting from Kinetic's question to RC...I don't like RC's over the top reactions. He's capable of theatrics as town, but this combined with the ridiculous argument with Jake on page 1 is making me think he could be scum.

Slight scumread on pisskop for only popping in when Oversoul calls him out. I also think pisskop's reactions to Oversoul's questions are, like RC's, over the top and unnatural.

A reread has RC looky scummier than JSF.

and I like bulge for town

Why is bulge town?

141 by Lostaway is very waffly.

Hey Lostaway, do you need some syrup to go with that waffle?

Ok that makes me feel a lil better about RC.

I really like 153 by Kinetic.

Like if I had a dollar for every game they were in with me and somebody went apecrap on her D1 and she was town Id have 5 or 6 of them.

Im not getting a town vibe from her. Im not lynching you because of her. You, as a townie should be okay sacrificing yourself only if it comes to that, not eager to just cuz.

Meh I also like this and agree with it.

That being said I'm starting to think some kind of scum v. scum multiball with this tunneling

Why is it scum tunneling rather than town tunneling?

I've had fucking enough of RC and Jake. Any two shot dayvigs out there?

Alright that's too much.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

If Jake is still scum he deserves this win.

What?

You crowding the game with these posts is making people not engage, cut down on your back and forth

That's a bs excuse and you know it.

No it's true.

Reaction null.

Oh well.

Ok...after all that your scumread on Flubber is stronger for saying "it looks like scum v scum"?

@pacman
I don't get where you're getting me as scum from? You made a vague comment about how you didn't like how Oversoul and I voted for Jake, expounded on why you especially didn't like Oversoul's vote, and then included me and not him in your scumteam. Explain.

Lostaway continues to post walls of waffles and fluff without taking any real stances. Scumread there.

VOTE: Lostaway

His ISO sucks. I invite everyone to read and name three reads he has. I bet you can't do it. He also hasn't made a vote yet.

[Elyse]

Also I am townreading pisskop now

[Elyse]

Furthermore, I've made several reads -- I pointed out your sheeping, Oversoul's sheeping, Pisskop's inconsistency (or at least lack of self-awareness), RC's overaggression founded on dubious logic, and Jake's defensiveness for starters, as well as stating a favorable initial impression of MattP. To say I haven't even made three reads rather misrepresents what I've done so far. Whether it's disingenuous or merely inattentive, it's just not true.

Those aren't reads.

@Oversoul
I am townreading you slightly and wrt to pisskop, it's mostly a gut feeling. I've been playing with him a lot recently and I think I have a good grasp on his play.

[Elyse]

Calm down.

Lostaway can be lynched today.

[Elyse]

RC is town.

I actually agree that Lostaway's overuse of dumb jokes could indicate town because noob scum would be more serious and scared.

I'm not sold on Jake-scum though.

VOTE: The Bulge

I really think this is a scum lynch.

[Elyse]

I didn't notice that but Jake's not scummy for answering if it's common knowledge

[Elyse]

VOTE: Elyse

Heya! Can I get an overview of your thoughts on the game?

No.

Why are you ok with Lostaway's waffling when you say that my reads lack commitment?

I'm curious to see The Bulge's catchup post. Just the way that wagon formed and ended makes me think it's on scum. As someone (idr who, Oversoul maybe) pointed out, three of the players with the biggest reputations backed in and no one really bought into it because of the RC/Jake shit. And then it awkwardly faded out.

Flubber is a fine lynch at this point too. I feel like I don't like his play more than I think it's scummy so I'll stick with Bulge atm.

[Elyse]

Well it's hard to push someone who's barely in the game.

[Elyse]

I guess that's why it fell apart. It just seems like a wagon that would usually take off early in the game and I think it's weird that it didn't.

[Elyse]

No I was the first to mention Lostaway and I actually have explained the Bulge wagon so I don't know what you're talking about

[Elyse]

Anyone noticed that EPM's really not going anywhere despite no one really townreading the slot, and Oversoul keeps looking for excuses to jump off it?

That's how I feel about Bulge

[Elyse]

VOTE: Oversoul

[Elyse]

Can we please, please not do Oversoul today?

What do you think about his contradictions?

[Elyse]

So, I think Elyse has the worst vote of the last 5 votes.

What is everyone's read on her?

Hmmm.

Tempted by the Matt vote...

Idc about you not liking my vote, but asking everyone's read on me before committing one to yourself is pinging my scumdar big time.

[Elyse]

*preaching hand emojis*

Also, Oversoul, I voted you in the midst of MattP pressuring you on an obvious contradiction you made. It doesn't take much brain power to figure out why I voted you. And if you really did need help figuring that out, you could've asked me as Jake said. Instead, you acted as if I was voting you out of the blue for no reason, failed to engage me, and tested the waters to see if others were scumreading me.

[Elyse]

Oversoul what is your read on me and why

[Elyse]

Feeling deflated about this game because of the whole Jake/Oversoul debacle...

Still want to lynch the Oversoul slot.

[Elyse]

I want to lynch this ^

[Elyse]

VOTE: Lostaway

#votelost2015

[Elyse]

Everyone wants to call the bulge scummy but nobody wants to wagon him and idgi

I've tried.

[Elyse]

Additionally, of all the players in the game, I know your play-style the best Matt. True Neutral for you is likely the strongest "town" read I will have on you the whole game. I'm not going to make the same mistake that you made in our last game .

And no, I didn't say your role is neutral, I said that right now I have a neutral read on you. Not reading you town or scum. Your activity, your play-style, I could see you doing it both as town and as scum. You haven't done anything yet that I believe leans one way or the other.

Others may be on that list because they have an equal number of town/scummy actions that equal out.

You being there is more my respect for your level of play.

care to point out any of these?

[Elyse]

Additionally, of all the players in the game, I know your play-style the best Matt. True Neutral for you is likely the strongest "town" read I will have on you the whole game. I'm not going to make the same mistake that you made in our last game .

And no, I didn't say your role is neutral, I said that right now I have a neutral read on you. Not reading you town or scum. Your activity, your play-style, I could see you doing it both as town and as scum. You haven't done anything yet that I believe leans one way or the other.

Others may be on that list because they have an equal number of town/scummy actions that equal out.

You being there is more my respect for your level of play.

care to point out any of these?

Nope. If I cared to do so, I'd have done so.

Why not?

[Elyse]

So people know what you're thinking and why. It allows other people to use information you've discovered and perhaps expound upon it or add to it.

Hiding your reads prevents you from being accountable and, if you are town, runs the risk of you dying without sharing your reasons. No one is going to take a shitty list like the ones you've been making seriously if you die.

[Elyse]

So you're going to prevent town the chance of using your reads to scumhunt because...?

[Elyse]

So you think a list with no reasoning is better than scumreads with reasoning? Interesting.

Lynch this with fire.

[Elyse]

I'm actually not this time. You should know better than anyone that I love being scum and so far this game sucks.

[Elyse]

And considering I've won every scumgame since returning, I CAN get away with mislynching terrible players as scum.

But that doesn't mean that I can't scumread a poor player as town.

[Elyse]

[Elyse]

effective. 
Power
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[Elyse]

Yeah I'm also getting scumvibes from Ank.

[Elyse]

Why are you talking about compromising when you are on the largest wagon?

[Elyse]

Why are you talking about compromising when you are on the largest wagon?

It's clearly getting smaller, not bigger

So instead of pushing more for the lynch you want, you decide to "compromise" on one of two small wagons, one of which only has the support of your biggest scumread?

Ok this can die today too.

Fine with lynching Lost/Oversoul slot/EPM/Bulge

Let's just pick one and go with it.

RC is obvtown. Hopefully he picks his shit up and plays but I'm not PLing him.

[Elyse]

I thought RC could be scum early on for reasons you've stated but my read has evolved with his content. Your read is sticky and doesn't take into account his recent posts. You've placed him in a box labeled scum and aren't looking to reevaluate.

[Elyse]

I would support an Ank wagon.

[Elyse]

V/LA until Tuesday

[Elyse]

VOTE: TheBulge

[Elyse]

I also don't like MattP's stance and actions regarding the Lost lynch.

[Elyse]

Let's just lynch Bulge so the mod doesn't have to find a replacement

[Elyse]

EPM is scum.

It hurts.

But so is Bulge.

[Elyse]

Trust me it's still there.

It's like that lowkey stink after it rains outside. But Bulge and epm are like rotten eggs and a pile of shit. We have to handle them first.

[Elyse]

What I don't like about Matt is that he called the Lost lynch shitty without ever really calling Lost town or scum. It seemed like he was trying to dismantle the wagon but also not totally defending Lost in case it went through.

[Elyse]

You never said Lost was town. Or if you did, I can't find it.

Elyse, out of curiosity, do you think that Titus came in and voted me, her scumbuddy, based on weak VCA and not even reading?

Maybe

[Elyse]

I think EPM was trying to trap me or something too by asking me first and then saying why I should be concerned.

[Elyse]

@Titus
I will join you in due time.

@EPM
I don't give a fuck about associative tells before a flip. It's transparent that you're trying to get me to stop scum reading you because my other top scum read is voting you.

[Elyse]

VOTE: MattP

Awkward stances on both scum wagons, wasn't on either, and hasn't died yet.

I know a lot of people are townreading him but whateva. This is what I'm thinking. The lynch yesterday was fast at the end so it's hard to tell who actually wanted to stay off it. Bro is town and Ank looks better as well.

[Elyse]

Using that logic I should be a stronger suspect of yours....

Don't worry my dear, you are on my list as well. Just not at the top.

[Elyse]

Titus isn't dumb so she's probably scum.

I keep forgetting this is 14p and I'm thinking we have like 2 or 3 scum left but it's most likely only one. We have mislynches to play with so I'm fine with MattP, Flubber, Titus, or Boonskiies. Boonskiies plays shitty most of the time so that's not really a tell either way. MattP and Flubber had awkward stances on the scum wagons and MattP still being alive is questionable. Titus thinking Bro and I are scum is laughable.

[Elyse]

Forgot Elyse there but she might be there solely due to ineptitude.

Ok Titus ok.

VOTE: Boonskiies

Meh.

[Elyse]

Ok hopefully I can lynch you then

[Elyse]

I only meant that as in Matt is a difficult lynch and maybe I'll have more success when he's not here to post lol. Yeah I'm scumreading him but my townreads aren't and they are also scumreading Boonskiies. I'm going with them on this one because Matt is tricky and Boon is worthless anywya.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Titus

[Elyse]

VOTE: MattP

[Elyse]

I would say Ank is less "hmmm" than RC based on the pk crumb

This does

NOT

come from scum this point in the game. Simple as that. It's Flubber or RC.

I disagree. There is motivation to do this - get towncred. If there's something that makes the game seem almost a lock for town and it's a matter of time until someone figures it out, I could totally see scum jumping on it for towncred. I threw my scumbuddy Thor under the bus once when a hider crumbed that he was hiding behind him and died during the night. It got me a universal townread that I used to sail through the game and win easily. Not everything is black and white.

Scum is either Matt or Flubber. We lynch Matt today and Flubber tomorrow if Matt is somehow town. Stop being fucking idiots and do it.

[Elyse]

LYNCH FLUBBER TODAY BECAUSE I DONT TRUST IGNORANCE OF YOU GUYS TO PLAY SUCCESSFULLY AFTER I'M DEAD TONIGHT. There is absolutely no reason not to switch to Flubber and just do Matt tomorrow. Absolutely none. You guys were going to do Matt toDay, Flubber tomorrow. Absolutely no difference for you guys. I feel the fact that this is even an issue shows Matt is town, but you can lynch him tomorrow. Matt gets lynched tomorrow is the correct play.

I've given plenty as to why Flubber should be before Matt. No one else has even attempted.

Matt's getting lynched regardless tomorrow most likely. I don't get the point in pushing for it so hard. Flubber, on the other hand, WON'T.

Why the fuck are you so bent out of shape about lynching Flubber first? Matt and Flubber are the next two lynches - literally everyone has agreed to that. Matt is first because he is scummier. Using past games where you correctly called out the scumteam to try to justify yourself here is meaningless.

Mattp > Flubbernugget > RadiantCowbells > Boonskiies

Priority list for lynches to me.

No

Why?

[Elyse]

You're acting as though "Matt is scummier than Flubber"

isn't

a reason to lynch Matt first. Your unfounded desire to lynch Flubber first makes me want to lynch Matt first.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Flubber

*middle finger*

If Flubber is town, Matt is turbolynched tomorrow.

[Elyse]

VOTE: MattP

[Elyse]

Why isn't Matt lynched yet

[Elyse]

Gj RC!!!