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I'm siding with boonskies on this one.
In my opinion, town start with the information of just themselves. Where scum start with information on themselves and the town.
A D1 that can end with just a swift hammer can only help the town close the information gap that gives the scum the advantage to start every game.
If it's someone I town read with good reason I wouldn't hammer, but like he said someone with scum vibes who has already played well enough to be at L1 should just be offed.
Too often I see town's run people to L1, get a claim, back off, run the next person up to L1, get a claim, back off... All that does is help scum fill in their gaps. They don't have that many to fill in. While town can only take people's word for everything. They won't be able to confirm those answers until a flip.
The game starts on D2, the quicker you get there and begin working the better for town.-
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Klingoncelt
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This is how I'm looking at the game right now. This of course could change, but right now that's what I know.-
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In post 141, ika wrote:kaboos whats your thoughts on the gamstate?
In post 144, GrayFoxxxx wrote:post 65 This is Kaboose's most substantial post, so I chose it. If you happen to ISO him , there are other things that could be scum tells. Contradictions, fluff, and a big list with one read.
VOTE: Kaboose
The idea of getting to day 2 ASAP doesn't seem very town. Kaboose's reasoning is odd as well. While I agree that information is valuable, there is plenty of it to be gained on D1.-
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In post 145, Kaboose wrote:In post 141, ika wrote:kaboos whats your thoughts on the gamstate?
In post 144, GrayFoxxxx wrote:post 65 This is Kaboose's most substantial post, so I chose it. If you happen to ISO him , there are other things that could be scum tells. Contradictions, fluff, and a big list with one read.
VOTE: Kaboose
The idea of getting to day 2 ASAP doesn't seem very town. Kaboose's reasoning is odd as well. While I agree that information is valuable, there is plenty of it to be gained on D1.
It's d1, the gamestate sucks and I know that WW is about 90% town.
Grayfoxxxx, that's such a terrible vote. What do you want me to say? You want me to fill a list out that is based around facts with false reads that get no where? It's simply a list for me to keep up with as the puzzle gets pieced together.
But apparently you want me to go down a list of players on D1 and say town or scum for all of them? That's a waste of time.
Also more than just me commented that what boonskies said was perfectly fine to do.-
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In post 149, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Another waste of time is writing out a big list with one read,that could have been posted much easier as, 'my only read is this'.
It's not a read. If you would read, you would know that the claim that person made has all but confirmed WW town to me.-
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In post 151, Espeonage wrote:If we are PLing anyone it will be Klingon.
ika is ok for now, ika is readable.
Claim is fine, doubt it's real claim but fine nonetheless.
Kaboose's reaction to the claim is absolutely terrible though. A large normal is not a game you are going to solve. There is no town motivation to wanting to decide of the claim is real. If the claim is real they don't need protection or support of any kind.
Vote: Kaboose
This is a good lynch.
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I'm not trying to solve it today. But I'm going to have everything ready for you when you all mislynch me or I get NKd. It's a list, of what I KNOW. When I flip, you all will KNOW the same stuff at that point. Hence why I asked you all to just trust me in one of my early posts. I don't expect anyone to just believe me now, but there will possibly be a time when I'm dead and you know I'm town and from that you'll know this list was useful and you can use it after that.-
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In post 152, pisskop wrote:vote: kaboose
Kaboose why did you feel the need to soft to try to confirm WW as town?
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In post 156, Espeonage wrote:ok but like, 1. The claim is wifom to begin with. 2. Town doesn't really care if the claim is true or not. 3. There isn't any role that combos with it in a way to make it conf town.
The only motivation I currently see for your actions is that you are scum posturing to get cred.
So I can't be town trying to help? Thanks, I appreciate your vote of confidence.
Also me knowing what my role is helps me believe WW's claim is correct. Because I believe the claim I'm fully ready to label them 100% town as long as they're telling the truth about the claim. I endorse them completely.
Why is that hard to understand? The game is a puzzle, two pieces have to connect eventually, and it just so happens these pieces fit together enough for me to know this.
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In post 157, Espeonage wrote:And what part of large normal doesn't make sense to you?
Is this at me?
In post 158, pisskop wrote:In post 155, Kaboose wrote:In post 152, pisskop wrote:vote: kaboose
Kaboose why did you feel the need to soft to try to confirm WW as town?
What?
Like you went out of your way to clear her when she was under no threat. you softed specific range of roles to do so, and I dont know why town would make themselves the target of night actions when there was no reason to.
I'm just trying to provide the most information I can. I was able to confirm someone town and I think that is a good play to make.
We start with no information, we win when we get enough information to make informed decisions. If I can confirm someone, then I would like to think this is a positive to be shared with the group. It's not like me doing this has put their life in danger any more than it already was. Given the fact scum already know WW is town, they didn't need to be told. However town do need to be told. WW could make every post in the game "I'm town." to us, but how are we to believe them? I have decided to endorse WW as town to let the rest of you know it from someone other than their own mouth.-
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In post 160, pisskop wrote:Like either you just gave away data to scum or lied about your role. Why would you do either?
What did I give away to scum that they didn't already know?-
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In post 150, ika wrote:hey kaboose, if it sucks why arent you trying to move it foward and ask people stuff and try to get reads?
This?
I'll answer it with a question:
Why aren't you? I can't make D1 not suck, please show me a D1 where it didn't suck. These games get better as they go.
Even if D1 doesn't suck, it'll be less fun than D2, which is less fun than D3 and so on... So relatively speaking D1 is terrible.-
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In post 201, Nero Cain wrote:god I can't wait to use my vig shot tonight.
Just saving this for my personal use. Carry on trying to solve game on D1 guyz.-
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In post 282, ika wrote:im just gonna copt the lsit and code it myself
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im lazy rght not to sort the rest i could oragnize some scum read but meh
I know he isn't to you, but I can pretty much assure you Sal is town.-
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In post 295, pisskop wrote:Ascetic IC is a treestump with a vote. Completely swingy and dependent on the actual player's skill
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In post 301, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
He has piggy backed you a little. I don't see him being towny af after rereading his ISO
Piggy backed? Srsly? gtfo yeah?
I agreed with what he said. Why am I the only one of those people that agreed with him that keeps getting called out for this?-
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lol @ I Am Innocent trying to use my first post to make me look scummy, because, you know, first posts are a great way to gauge anything in this game...
What motivation would I have, as scum, to announce someone else as town? Especially this early in the game? Where does that help in a D1 that scum use to create the most doubt? I'm trying to create confidence, the exact opposite.
I have stated MY ROLE coupled with WW/Sals CLAIM causes me to have great confidence they are town. I don't know if they're lying so I can't be exactly 100% sure, but if it's a true claim then put me down for a 99% that Sal is town.
Also what motivation would I have, as scum, to announce an ascetic claim as town? A role that does nothing but raise doubt in a player given that no one can know anything for sure about them until their flip? What motivation do I have to be a scum, say they're town? If anything if I was scum and lynched today, it would probably lead to a Sal lynch tomorrow? Maybe? If it did what does that gain scum? A dead player capable of causing doubt? It makes no sense.
My idea here is that by me being able to push the doubt out of the way for Sal's role I've done the town a favour because of the nature of an ascetic.
Like if someone claimed miller D1, and someone else could confirm it 100% to you, wouldn't that be something town would want?-
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In post 348, Espeonage wrote:Hey Nero. why would you want to pull people off the Kaboose wagonat this point in time given it's size in comparison to other wagons?
Good point Esp, with 10 days until deadline we have absolutely no time to create other wagons or look at anyone else. We have to act quickly.-
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In post 467, Nero Cain wrote:then you should prob stop voting town and vote her.
Oh you and dem one liners.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Celt
Okay people let's make this happen.-
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In post 485, Espeonage wrote:In post 482, ika wrote:i think the nero lynch could
Higher possibility yes, but it's still pretty damn low. Like the only thing I can really find is hypocrisy and burden of proficiency not being lived up to, but neither of those are even close to lynch worthy.
Is anyone against PM? I'd happily leave this for later.
In addition, if Nero does get lynched, and flips town, I will be even more happy with a Kaboose lynch.
Unvote, Vote: PM
I'm not against PM!
Only two lynches I'm currently against.-
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In post 282, ika wrote:im just gonna copt the lsit and code it myself
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im lazy rght not to sort the rest i could oragnize some scum read but meh
In post 491, ika wrote:ok esp and WW is town
Any reason you needed to tell us this again?-
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Innocent, if I had kept that info to myself, I don't think anyone would have looked back at the claim WW/Sal made and put it together. One, because who knows if anyone would have even thought to look back at it?
I'm just of the opinion that town's biggest weapon is knowledge gathering. So when I see an opportunity to give the town knowledge I don't want to pass it up. That said I also come from a website where people will DayVig on D1 for giggles, and we get a little more anxious with information when we know it. Either way, I can't really even fathom how I would be scum read for my approach. Why wouldn't town want to know this? Why would people be scum reading me for giving information?
Also I really hate when people get after someone for not scum hunting on D1... D1 is such a cluster of fucks usually. Not only that but if any of you have played games for any amount of time you know that there's usually a good chance your D1 reads and D2 and beyond reads could be totally different! I mean I'm not saying everyone should get a free pass or anything, but calling out my first 20 posts for not scumhunting? That's a bit unfair considering some people in this game don't even have 20 posts, and I'm sitting in the 40s already. So if the first 20 have no scum hunting, does that mean the second 20 does?-
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In post 570, I Am Innocent wrote:Kaboose, knowledge gathering in thread is good, but problem is scum also see that knowledge. It's why we don't mass claim D1.
You really believe we are going to forget WW/salamences claim? And if there is such a strong correlation as you said, don't you think salamence would have said something after you flipped?
I understand town scumhunts differently D1, my problem is that a soft claim can sometimes give a player a free pass to coast. Esp when that soft claim wasn't needed.
@nero, kids are doing good...little guy just turned 2 this week
But all I did was confirm him D1 as town, scum already know this about him. So what exactly have I told scum they didn't know?-
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In post 573, Nero Cain wrote:Do you think Kaboose, as scum, would rolefish that blatantly? + its not like he is the only player on this site (and not even in this game) that thinks we should get to d2 ASAP.
Getting to D2 asap imo is always best for town. Two flips to look at usually, plus town powers getting to work, leaving scum in the dark on who they should NK and whatnot. Also the longer D1 goes the more mute town becomes and scum aren't going to prevent that from happening by keeping the conversations going. The more you can create to talk about the better. D1 has very little to discuss unless there are certain roles in the game to help.-
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In post 574, Espeonage wrote:Kaboose had a bunch of resistance too.
I have half a mind to help flip celt, and if she flips town, it puts a bunch of pressure back on kaboose which is good stuffs.
I'll accept the pressure. Bring it.-
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In post 584, WoodyWoodpecker wrote:In post 582, Kaboose wrote:In post 573, Nero Cain wrote:Do you think Kaboose, as scum, would rolefish that blatantly? + its not like he is the only player on this site (and not even in this game) that thinks we should get to d2 ASAP.
Getting to D2 asap imo is always best for town. Two flips to look at usually, plus town powers getting to work, leaving scum in the dark on who they should NK and whatnot. Also the longer D1 goes the more mute town becomes and scum aren't going to prevent that from happening by keeping the conversations going. The more you can create to talk about the better. D1 has very little to discuss unless there are certain roles in the game to help.
But getting to day 2 asap stifles day 1 conversation and that's just as important. Why rush the process?
Because on D2 with flips you have actual things to talk about and converse with. Not made up things like in D1. I think if you can get lucky on bringing up a topic and asking everyone their opinion and which side of the fence they sit on D1 is a success, move on and build from that.
I don't think that D1 should simply be votes until a lynch. But it shouldn't drag on to the time limit.-
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In post 597, WoodyWoodpecker wrote:In post 595, Kaboose wrote:That's a hardcore assumption.
thats how I feel though. Day 1 conversation may not seem much especially day 1 but once we get close to mylo/lylo those interactions can prove useful.
I just feel that's a rather strong claim to make towards me and how I look at things. Especially since I never said that, at all, or even got close to saying something like that.-
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In post 599, WoodyWoodpecker wrote:you do realize I am entitled to my own opinions right? that is how I interpreted your actions.
So you think GrayFoxxxx and Espeonage are scum?-
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In post 638, Espeonage wrote:The klingon I remember has never said anything remotely profound that was based on anything resembling logic.
So they're town because you think they're stupid?-
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In post 696, Boonskiies wrote:I'm kind of annoyed that Klingon seems to be wrung up for a Day 1 lynch in every game she's in. She is not a Day 1 lynch. If she's town, you'll figure it out in a few days...
Oh right let's town read them because they die D1 a lot.-
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this is slowing down, and that's bad for town, so we should really come to a conclusion here.
Celt is close to a lynch...
Is there even a counter wagon of any type?
Yes? Okay let's consolidate votes and see some fence sitters quit fence sitting.
No? Okay let's get this shit to day 2 so we can actually start playing.
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