NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

[AxleGreaser]

@Thread

I am confused.
also tardy.

N1

I got a result... which I ignored... because its not a result of action I did.
and It looked to me like flavor.

I received a XXXXX?

[AxleGreaser]

@Thread

I am confused.
also tardy.

N1

I got a result... which I ignored... because its not a

result

consequence of action I did.
and It looked to me like flavor.

I received a XXXXX?

are you claiming to be a pr?

No specifically claimed to have got "result" but not as a result of an action I took.
I ignored it because it looked like flavor. But today I think maybe not.

meh I will even say...
I got the result of receiving a flower.
This information is orthogonal (100% unrelated) to my role PM.

[AxleGreaser]

ok i now realize whats going on also and thats cool

Ok thats cool, post game, you can tell me.
I am just go with the flow.

[AxleGreaser]

@Axl are u scum? I mean it seems to me like you aren't reading the game and that doesn't seem like something axl would do.

So your conclusion is that I am not Axl?
also
Ahh nope as scum in a recent game I read the game exceedingly hard.
I am busy today(IRL) if today is what you are talking about.

From memory I am also pretty sure if you poke through my filter, there will be occasions where i responded in short elapsed time and pulled topical things from memory from way earlier in the thread.

EG. here is topical one of those. 1395 it identified a discrepancy from TN from much earlier post.
Flubber reraising that point at 1651 as he read the thread gives me bad vibes about him flipping scum

[AxleGreaser]

Is the blood on your axe Slandaars? : o

nope its mine I knicked myself while testing the edge. (see AVI)

[AxleGreaser]

Flubber reraising that point at 1651 as he read the thread gives me bad vibes about him flipping scum

but comparisons to Masquerades filter say lynch him now.

[AxleGreaser]

So your conclusion is that I am not Axl?

Yes my conclusion is that your account has been hacked and you are an imposter.

Horrible joke aside is anyone else feeling that we might be townreading scum? I dunno why or who I just feel like things are going all too easy

I had the screaming heebie jeebies about Frogger while i was out and about today.
Then i come back and see.

Yeah, just read your D2 ISO.

Which explains why he had not seemed to move on or change since D1. There were going to be questions.

I can easily Flip Firebringer, Davsto, and Flubber as per 1959 (but by then i will be starting on people who i read posts and thought that could be town)

after that I start mumbling. Even if all 3 of those flipped scum.
Town has flipped gunsmith, Mason, claimed mason, claimed Vig.
personally i expect a 5th scum or serious scum PRs. but hey balance on this site and me dont see eye to eye.
So go with the flow.

That all three are going to flip scum could explain the apathy.

[AxleGreaser]

Yes my conclusion is that your account has been hacked and you are an imposter.

Skip: bugger I am busted.
Incoming temporary AVI change.

[AxleGreaser]

Nope been stalking people some more
VOTE: Flubber

L-2

[AxleGreaser]

he'd be voting Axle right now

Axel: Interactions with TN lean scum

So I was right D1? Oh boy!

nope

Yeah, just read your D2 ISO. Feeling better about you.

Fire, Flubber, Davesto (???) are where I'm standing rn for scum.

[AxleGreaser]

@Shazam

No question just FYI:
You may also want to read D1 of this earlier game (our last together) if you want to understand D1 Frogger And Axle in this game
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=61359
our combined ISO for that game

There exists a way for Fro99er as scum to exploit that, in this game. And what has happened isn't totally dissimilar
but neither would the plausible town fro99er's responses to our playing history and this games start.
This post 99 is an important post to read before you try reading that newbie game we played. It also an important post when rereading Froggers D1 in this game.
it is important both in terms of how to interpret his own posting, and how much he believes what he is saying about other peoples posting given how he says he has payed D1 before.

Note the implication just then that he may not totally believe something(AKA 100% fabricated happens) he said or did is not a problem. Earlier I said a similar thing about lynch I pushed in masquerade and how much I believed what I did that day. Mine wasn't 100% fabricated, but I needed to lean over and squint.

[AxleGreaser]

I am voting Flubbernugget.
Firebringer does however seem fairly keen to leave this game. 2000
Its late in the game for a town player with an effectively content short filter to be lost in banter.

[AxleGreaser]

@Frogger

Pretty sure any response you make to this would also be mainly fluff, especially in the context of today, but for me somewhere in amongst this open ended question may be what I need to get more clarity. So Id suggest responding primarily in a spoiler if it has much length at all.

Spoiler: Not about today (TLDR: Frogger comments clarity)

In 1961 I and shiro discussed whether or not we are thinking some of our town reads are likely to be wrong.
I think the odds are someone I think is town is going to flip scum. (and it higher than normal as my light POE is running out of space.)
Time for heavy POE.

@Thread.

This and whatever else, if anything i do in this vein, is not prioritized by who I find scummiest of the people I find towny, its prioritized by opportunity. AKA noticing places I think I might get better read.
(or i might elicit responses so that everyone gets better read.)

@Frogger

There are various things that have been said that if I had more detail I could more realiably connect the dots.
Baring 1961 they have not been important enough for me to seek clarity on before now.

Question

: Pick and choose which points you can clarify what you were thinking at that time or ..

Things you and I have said:

And yes, I'll sit here and defend the shit out of him if you keep suspecting him off of his entrance post.

Only if you want me to vote you over it. How do you know my alignment? yeah I know the specificity of what evidence you said is restricted to the first post and its interpretation but this is mafia.

I made a bullshit push on him in our newbie game based off his RVS post (he was scum, but my push on him was admittedly 100% fabricated just to get out of RVS and see how people reacted).

I just want Axle to talk to me

My head is pretty fucked up.

Axle and tn confscum

can't believe I'm going soft on axle, but now i'm going soft.....

So I was right D1? Oh boy!

Yeah, just read your D2 ISO. Feeling better about you.

I think you read axle based off how he reacts to things later. That's why I think the early suspicion on him is dumb.

I love wagons just as much as the next person, if not more so, but if you're going to wagon, just say you're doing it to wagon, not because you hate his post #8.

Why? They're both bullshit pushes...

I made a bullshit push on him in our newbie game based off his RVS post (he was scum, but my push on him was admittedly 100% fabricated just to get out of RVS and see how people reacted).

[AxleGreaser]

Mentioning townblocs is like losing the game. Townblocs work because nobody tried to force them. Or even really mention them.

That said
Fire is a replacement so has not read the whole game in detail as people who were here.

But

also appears not to be reading recent EBWOP events either. That does not resemble figuring the game out much at all.

[AxleGreaser]

Axle - what?

I am interested in you saying more about what you were thinking at those times.

It is not relevant at the moment. (hence the spoiler) But I am expecting that even if everyone I scum read flips scum, then the game wont end.
So i am investigating people I don't scum read to strengthen my reads.
Then if I am alive or someone else is they will have more to go on.

I usually find people dont want me to talk to them

I just want Axle to talk to me

Now I am talking to you.

[AxleGreaser]

Why the fuck did you vote me?

You misrepped me.

Ok this stopped being even a little funny/interesting. You are

NOT

reading.

I am honestly just really lazy.

Okay I read Sala claim.

I might have jumped gun on that a bit.

That is not the only thing that you clearly failed to read and think about.

Flubber is scum too, trying to paint SK paranoia still.

EWBOP

[AxleGreaser]

Its funny, cause that aint true erudite human being.

now its sad.

Compare the quote of 1981 that is in 1982 with the actual 1981.
observe what was changed when it was quoted.
Then google EBWOP.

Then head desk.

[AxleGreaser]

EWBOP is a little funny too.

[AxleGreaser]

EBWOP

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ost. Its way to fix errors when you cant edit.

Why isn't the day ended? I primarily think some people would like some talking to happen.
I am Go with the flow.

[AxleGreaser]

UNVOTE: Flubbernugget
Not objecting to the lynch.
but for a little while at least its going to need 3 people who want the day to end who are not on the wagon.

[AxleGreaser]

Given the most town indicative thing I can find in Fires filter is his second post and it didn't get better even in total from there.
I am not sure I see any value in his iso getting longer.

So you(ricastle) can have my vote for while, it was otherwise unoccupied.
VOTE: firebringer

[AxleGreaser]

I think fire is town still.

based on what?

[AxleGreaser]

Hes claimed commuter

would you show me where he claimed commuter rather than someone else claiming he claimed commuter?

my town read is related to but significantly less strong than

Im town because Im obviously town spiffeh.

Why cant Ika hammer?

ika cant hammer now.

[AxleGreaser]

Aero's meta

This looks pretty thin to me

To be fair, Areo was town last time he lurked out of a game (See Not Mafia's mini)

[AxleGreaser]

@MOD

@Thread

votecount 3.7

Flubbernugget (6) - Echo Echo, Salamence20, Sakura Hana, Shiro, Fro99er, Davsto, pisskop

Firebringer (2) - Ricastle, AxleGreaser

Not voting (5) - ika, Flubbernugget, Shazam, Spiffeh, Firebringer

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.

That LOOKS like 7 to me

[AxleGreaser]

Also mod cant count.

Wheeeeee

It was setting up fake hammer gambit.

Spoiler:

joke joyce

[AxleGreaser]

Intent to Hammer.

Should I just do it?

I've never hammered anyone before I'm scared.

Of?

Spoiler: hand holding

A question to ask yourself is whether the day is done or not.
Is 2005 a thing Frogger ought respond to today?
is anything else happening or even likely to?

OR

is boredom a bigger menace in that people will forget they are even playing if the game does not keep moving?
This is the age of the internet, 5 min attention spans and quick fix instant gratification or go home.
I come from the age of expensive paper novels.
YMMV.

Go with the flow.

[AxleGreaser]

No one do anything. I have something interesting of note

not sure why or how that could plausibly preclude anything else from happening.

@Frogger 2005 2010

[AxleGreaser]

also rip Shiro sry if it turns out I fscked up.
Although i have read about them.
I didnt twig about fruit/flower vendor at all. {blush}

[AxleGreaser]

well not on D1.

[AxleGreaser]

No one, except fire, do anything. I have something interesting of note

FTFY

Ok this is nothing
VOTE: Firebringer

[AxleGreaser]

UNVOTE: firebringer

[AxleGreaser]

Fire is confirmed scum. If he was town he would know why Im asking him to claim.

I just checked my PM.
I am town.
I dont know why.

I especially dont know

Or Fire is gamethrowing for not outting.

[AxleGreaser]

Why are you unvoting

Taking time to read the thread.

[AxleGreaser]

Why are you unvoting

Taking time to read the thread.

VOTE: firebringer

Ok read the thread.

I'd like to say some stuff (relevant to latter days) before we have another radically short twilight though....
So if we are getting into the might be hammered by someone territory declare intent.

[AxleGreaser]

I didn't need nor read 2156 BTW.
The sakura non-read was WTF enough for me.

[AxleGreaser]

I am 1-Shot Bulletproof.

I am done helping the town though so you might as well lynch me.

Ok.

[AxleGreaser]

Sakura puts up a horrible vote

Sakura reads besides tn seem bad.

I disagree with sakura 237 post volume tends to correlate with alignment in most cases

Sakura unvote of Fro99er for him flailing is bad.

Sakura hana explanation of meta by tn is bad as mentioned by Fro99er though.

Sakura post 379 is pretty bad

Conclusion:

Sakura-Contributes quite a bit, I like what I am seeing from her.

:^)
Get rekt

Btw, what i posted earlier was Ctrl+F my name on Fire's notes, wanting to know where he got the townread since im wary of buddying... my surprise was that... all his posts contradicted with said read.

I can disagree and think you are town. Disagreements doesn't equate to scum reading someone.

So explain how through all those comments you do town read Sakura.

[AxleGreaser]

Sakura puts up a horrible vote

Sakura reads besides tn seem bad.

I disagree with sakura 237 post volume tends to correlate with alignment in most cases

Sakura unvote of Fro99er for him flailing is bad.

Sakura hana explanation of meta by tn is bad as mentioned by Fro99er though.

Sakura post 379 is pretty bad

Conclusion:

Sakura-Contributes quite a bit, I like what I am seeing from her.

:^)
Get rekt

Btw, what i posted earlier was Ctrl+F my name on Fire's notes, wanting to know where he got the townread since im wary of buddying... my surprise was that... all his posts contradicted with said read.

I can disagree and think you are town. Disagreements doesn't equate to scum reading someone.

So explain how through all those comments you do town read Sakura.

[AxleGreaser]

Either way, the reluctance to claim is null imo, seems more likely to come from ignorance.

This is weird

Shiro-Scum, sheeps everything. Offers little to no contributions to the game. Everything else is fluff and is actually worse than Pisskop.

[AxleGreaser]

PSA:

It says "publicly singleball".

This means that Sala is not SK.

Thank you for your time.

FTFY

However

as pergreneV said here (yes thats not this game but the wiki he linked to is still the same)

Except Multiball means 2 scumteams, as per the definition: "Serial Killers and other one-person groups do not count; the term is specific to scum groups of multiple players."

So yes

, if ppl aren't even gonna read my posts why would I bother writing them.
(Not you Axle, you're cool)

I am way cool because i deemed it not worth the noise to correct you when Sakura said it. Besides rope and see if runs anywhere is always good when you dont understand things.

However I am getting bad vibes about something I dont understand at the moment. And i don't even know what it is. Just bad vibes.

So no you cannot game no SK out of the setup (not multiball) description, if you read the wiki and assume the mod followed it.
SK is explicitly excluded from the multiball here http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Multiball
So SK is allowed by the rules in this game, it is up to players to decide if there is one or not.

[AxleGreaser]

1 Shot Bulletproof is a counterclaim to Commuter.

Commuter is more likely to be the scum Power Role than a Bulletproof

VOTE: pisskop

I am going to sheep this for bit.

VOTE: pisskop

[AxleGreaser]

@Fire
2180 Is missing a question mark. However the desire for an answer and explanation I would have thought was self evident.

[AxleGreaser]

Besides rope and see if runs anywhere is always good when you dont understand things.

Huh?

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/give+enough+rope

[AxleGreaser]

That leaves the 3 scum

why 3?

[AxleGreaser]

Axle - what?

I am interested in you saying more about what you were thinking at those times.

It is not relevant at the moment. (hence the spoiler) But I am expecting that even if everyone I scum read flips scum, then the game wont end.
So i am investigating people I don't scum read to strengthen my reads.
Then if I am alive or someone else is they will have more to go on.

I usually find people dont want me to talk to them

I just want Axle to talk to me

Now I am talking to you.

[AxleGreaser]

Axel is scum regardless of Piss/Fire

does that come with reasons?

[AxleGreaser]

No one do anything. I have something interesting of note

not sure why or how that could plausibly preclude anything else from happening.

@Frogger 2005 2010

[AxleGreaser]

Go look at my fucking D1. People were complaining about me spamming the thread, which is identical to my town meta.

you may feel its identical to your meta. I have questions you appear not to have noticed.

[AxleGreaser]

@Axle - I have no idea what question you are asking. You keep sending me on a wild goose chase. What is your question. Do not send me a link.

My question is int he two links you

ignored

as you

ignored

the original requests follow up at 2010 for you to comment on the at least some quotes and tell me what you were thinking in more detail when you made those quotes.

Please explain more about what you were thinking at when you made the quotes below. (do at least some, whichever you think are most informative)

I have modified these posts to reflect my current thinking.

@Frogger

@Frogger

There are various things that have been said that if I had more detail I could more realiably connect the dots.
Baring 1961 they have not been important enough for me to seek clarity on before now.

Question

: Pick and choose which points you can clarify what you were thinking at that time or ..

Things you and I have said:

And yes, I'll sit here and defend the shit out of him if you keep suspecting him off of his entrance post.

Only if you want me to vote you over it. How do you know my alignment? yeah I know the specificity of what evidence you said is restricted to the first post and its interpretation but this is mafia.

I made a bullshit push on him in our newbie game based off his RVS post (he was scum, but my push on him was admittedly 100% fabricated just to get out of RVS and see how people reacted).

I just want Axle to talk to me

My head is pretty fucked up.

Axle and tn confscum

can't believe I'm going soft on axle, but now i'm going soft.....

So I was right D1? Oh boy!

Yeah, just read your D2 ISO. Feeling better about you.

I think you read axle based off how he reacts to things later. That's why I think the early suspicion on him is dumb.

I love wagons just as much as the next person, if not more so, but if you're going to wagon, just say you're doing it to wagon, not because you hate his post #8.

Why? They're both bullshit pushes...

I made a bullshit push on him in our newbie game based off his RVS post (he was scum, but my push on him was admittedly 100% fabricated just to get out of RVS and see how people reacted).

Axle - what?

I am interested in you saying more about what you were thinking at those times.

I usually find people dont want me to talk to them

I just want Axle to talk to me

Now I am talking to you.

[AxleGreaser]

Oh shut up, if it isnt clear I dont keep up on every little thing in the game.

So you just dont read then?

Maybe its a contextual thing.

I dont follow the game as closely as some. So that might imply that, in some world, I didnt keep track of your not-relly-discussed claim.

Im bloody sick of people who cant play their way out of a paper box as town trying to read me as town.

perhaps the problem is they just dont read the game as closely as some?

jeezus fscking christ.

[AxleGreaser]

^^this is why we are losing.

[AxleGreaser]

Fuck off axle. I'm not ignoring. I'm choosing not to read your walls and follow your links. I'm not going on a wild goose chase.

Also, remember the last time I ignored you, and you called me out on it, you were scum and I was town. I know I'm town. Just sayin...

Yeah I was scum you were town, and the situation was entirely unlike this one.

I just want Axle to talk to me

Apparently you dont.

VOTE: Fro99er

[AxleGreaser]

Fuck off axle.

Fuck off yourself

[AxleGreaser]

Question

: Pick and choose which points you can clarify what you were thinking at that time

And yes, I'll sit here and defend the shit out of him if you keep suspecting him off of his entrance post.

I was thinking your post #8 was null. Not a town tell, not a scum tell. People somehow thought because I was defending you for #8 that I was town reading you for it. I was just defending you from people artifically creating a scum read off you for it, because your #8 is null.

My problem with this is as i indicated at the time in post that wer not walls and you were not ignoring as you wanted to talk to me.

You (as town) dont/didnt know my alignment. You also say that you made a BS push to get out of RVS in our last game. You know that happens, yet you are arguing their BS push should not happen. Explain why you shouldnt just watch a BS push and see if its buddying, or legit trying to get out of RVS, or trying to get mislynch wagon going. Why are you going ballistic about it helpful?

Spoiler: not important

I just want Axle to talk to me

I wanted you to talk to me, because you hadn't been there for a while, and usually that time of night you are online given that you are TIMEZONES. I was paranoid, because last time you sat back and watched me lynch town (Felissan), and I thought you might be doing that here because banana already had built up a small wagon that I was on.

FYI: Felissan happened while i was asleep, my availability hours vary considerbaly. This morning i woke at 6am, for while thats weird for me.

Axle and tn confscum

tn was scum, you were scum in my head at the time for not scumhunting. Just putting up a smokescreen like you did in newbie.

This makes no sense. You say I was sitting back watching and also claim i was putting up a smoke screen... errr nope.
Your read does not make sense at all.

can't believe I'm going soft on axle, but now i'm going soft.....

I started to townread you after hard scum reading you.

based on?

So I was right D1? Oh boy!

I was excited because I thought my gut instincts D1 (you and tn scum) were correct.

Yeah, just read your D2 ISO. Feeling better about you.

I was V/LA D2, made my post 1877 without reading your ISO, read it, and started to feel better. But not totally sure.

based on?

I think you read axle based off how he reacts to things later. That's why I think the early suspicion on him is dumb.

This was before you started posting and all your posts were non-scumhunting which I pointed out in 345

No in 345 you called it conf scum.

I love wagons just as much as the next person, if not more so, but if you're going to wagon, just say you're doing it to wagon, not because you hate his post #8.

Why? They're both bullshit pushes...

I made a bullshit push on him in our newbie game based off his RVS post (he was scum, but my push on him was admittedly 100% fabricated just to get out of RVS and see how people reacted).

huh?

You state that you made a bullshit push in your newbie game with me, yet you overreact to the bullshit pushes made on me at the start of this game.

You are fully aware that the pushes on my push 8 might well be bullshit pushes by the people who made them.

yet you reacted to them and defended me... when you didnt know my alignment.

[AxleGreaser]

VOTE: Axel

So does your vote come with reasons?

[AxleGreaser]

based on?

Don't remember, I was drunk.

after 1891 as well?

[AxleGreaser]

based on?

Don't remember, I was drunk.

You type very well for someone so drunk they don't remember.
Can you recall if you go back and look?

[AxleGreaser]

Fuck off axle. I'm not ignoring. I'm choosing not to read your walls and follow your links. I'm not going on a wild goose chase.

This ^^ reads as direct refusal to answer so i voted you.

pedit: nice vote on me while I was responding

This ^^ is an escalation.

Fuck off axle.

Fuck off yourself

Why? You wanted me to answer your questions so bad, then why tell me to fuck off?

I have pointed out why the escalation to a vote from me happened.

[AxleGreaser]

Just me being paranoid and dumb in 1891. I've flipped on you a lot this game. Doesn't make me scum.

No, that does not make sense. 1891 is not you being paranoid. 1891 says you reread the D2 ISO.

Yeah, just read your D2 ISO. Feeling better about you.

yes you have flipped and flopped in your read on me, and i have failed to be able to follow why,
and when i ask

you reply

Fuck off axle. I'm not ignoring. I'm choosing not to read your walls and follow your links. I'm not going on a wild goose chase.

Also, remember the last time I ignored you, and you called me out on it, you were scum and I was town. I know I'm town. Just sayin...

This does not feel right.

I dont see where the fuck off comes from.
or the AtE.

Just sayin...

[AxleGreaser]

(or he's scum trying to push a mislynch of obvtown. There's zero chance I bussed tn).

I already know towns so fucked (in large part because of me, but hey, at least I got tn)

you do have the martyr shtick down

and it still does not feel right.

This does not feel right.

I dont see where the fuck off comes from.
or the AtE.

Just sayin...

[AxleGreaser]

(or he's scum trying to push a mislynch of obvtown. There's zero chance I bussed tn).

There is literally nothign about your D1 interaction with TN that indicates you couldn't have heartedly voted him for while...

actually, you know what. I have no reason to town read tn. Just felt like it in heat of the moment.

Then declared him conf scum while voting someone else.

Not only dont your read on em progress in anything like natural way
Your TN read of "conf scum" comes out of nowhere.

and then magically reappears when you claim credit.

Please explain where conf scum TN read came from.

You were at "no reason to town read TN" then hes conf scum.

Now according to you there is no way you could have been bussing?

yeah... No.

Spoiler: Fro99ers D1 interaction with TN

Who's to say that frogger/piss aren't scum together, Sala?

Also, I scumread frogger for 151/152

VOTE: fro99er

So you guys think tn listed both his scumbuddies here (me and piss?). I think he listed one scumbuddy (hint: I'm not the scumbuddy)

What reasoning is behind this apparently random list of players? The only common thread is that we've all posted and/or interacted with one another.

It's not a random list.

I think Axle's post is null, but maybe you are all jumping on him for a reason.

You and spiffeh both agree you hate axle's entrance, yet you are suspecting each other. Banana's multiple RVS'ing is meh at best.

I'm really not impressed by your first post.

That's meaning, not simply RVS

No, what sala has to say at this point in the game is not important in the slightest.

Sorry Sala. No word for you!

So are you saying that having any reason whatsoever discludes any vote ever from being rvs, despite the reason being obviously silly?

I'm saying the reason is silly because I've already pointed out his post is null at best when trying to sort him. I made a bullshit push on him in our newbie game based off his RVS post (he was scum, but my push on him was admittedly 100% fabricated just to get out of RVS and see how people reacted).

You don't read axle based off his opening post. You read axle based off his reactions to everyone else. He's got a pretty clear scumhunting/non-scumhunting meta, IMO.

Please don't self-meta.

you're gonna have to live with it

actually, you know what. I have no reason to town read tn. Just felt like it in heat of the moment.

VOTE: tn5421[/v]

Axle and tn confscum

the rest I need Aero's IDK typing thing guy man

[AxleGreaser]

UNVOTE: fro99er
The previous vote 2373 was for seemingly not being willing to answering questions about his play.

This one is a scum read

VOTE: Fro99er

[AxleGreaser]

At least with Pisskop its expected.

You have no right to be stupid.

Well actually it is his town meta (and he knows it)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6837583

but this does not feel the same.

[AxleGreaser]

No I scumread Axle.

I townread Frogger.

yeah but dio you have any reasons...

or do i have to AtE and threaten to replace out to get those?

[AxleGreaser]

(or he's scum trying to push a mislynch of obvtown. There's zero chance I bussed tn).

There is literally nothign about your D1 interaction with TN that indicates you couldn't have heartedly voted him for while...

actually, you know what. I have no reason to town read tn. Just felt like it in heat of the moment.

Then declared him conf scum while voting someone else.

Not only dont your read on em progress in anything like natural way
Your TN read of "conf scum" comes out of nowhere.

and then magically reappears when you claim credit.

Please explain where conf scum TN read came from.

You were at "no reason to town read TN" then hes conf scum.

Now according to you there is no way you could have been bussing?

yeah... No.

Spoiler: Fro99ers D1 interaction with TN

Who's to say that frogger/piss aren't scum together, Sala?

Also, I scumread frogger for 151/152

VOTE: fro99er

So you guys think tn listed both his scumbuddies here (me and piss?). I think he listed one scumbuddy (hint: I'm not the scumbuddy)

What reasoning is behind this apparently random list of players? The only common thread is that we've all posted and/or interacted with one another.

It's not a random list.

I think Axle's post is null, but maybe you are all jumping on him for a reason.

You and spiffeh both agree you hate axle's entrance, yet you are suspecting each other. Banana's multiple RVS'ing is meh at best.

I'm really not impressed by your first post.

That's meaning, not simply RVS

No, what sala has to say at this point in the game is not important in the slightest.

Sorry Sala. No word for you!

So are you saying that having any reason whatsoever discludes any vote ever from being rvs, despite the reason being obviously silly?

I'm saying the reason is silly because I've already pointed out his post is null at best when trying to sort him. I made a bullshit push on him in our newbie game based off his RVS post (he was scum, but my push on him was admittedly 100% fabricated just to get out of RVS and see how people reacted).

You don't read axle based off his opening post. You read axle based off his reactions to everyone else. He's got a pretty clear scumhunting/non-scumhunting meta, IMO.

Please don't self-meta.

you're gonna have to live with it

actually, you know what. I have no reason to town read tn. Just felt like it in heat of the moment.

VOTE: tn5421[/v]

Axle and tn confscum

the rest I need Aero's IDK typing thing guy man

[AxleGreaser]

How not to suck.

Step 1.
Cut the AtE and play mafia. (see previous post)

[AxleGreaser]

and respond to how your TN push is such that you cant have done that as scum.

There was no push by you on TN, just some vague hand waving, chucked him in as second conf scum for no particular reason.
and now you claim your push on him was so legit you cant be scum

BS.

[AxleGreaser]

Yes Frogger is town because of interacting with TN in the way he did

That may be your opinion, but your "Vig" status puts you above reproach so we dont need info about why you think that.

and after he has had the chance to defend himself, then your input will be welcome as I would hate to get tunneled.

[AxleGreaser]

omfg....

know what im jsut dodgin now. the sheer stupitity of fighting that is going on and shit ate by everyone is fucking pathetic

QFT.
I'm wondering why we derailed so much into all this infighting instead of lynching scum Fire.

Well I asked him a question twice... and i could just sit on my thumb, or i could follow up other stuff.

The AtE instead of addressing the questions is a tad annoying and evasive.

[AxleGreaser]

Yep Axle. Sala's my scumbuddy cuz we're that obvious and you're that genious .

I suggested he stay out of it so you could explain your TN read and how it is such that you claim you cant be scum based off it.

That gives you the best chance to show you are town, by focusing on the game, explaining yourself and being transparent,
and also a chance to work out if i am scum pushing you or town.

Seems like good idea to me. Do you have problem with that?

[AxleGreaser]

Whatever ika. I don't care if I'm voted 90% of the time.

This time I'm annoyed because Ricastle and Axle both know this isn't my scum meta, so I'm extra annoyed.

Pretty sure I usually (at least in my mind alter my scum meta to suit the occasion)

When i started this, when you first didnt answer the question i clearly indicated I was simply do an extra layer of POE because I was running out of potential scum slots.
That was in the post you refused to follow the links to.

I quoted those posts in the thread, but having yet more corners in your play that don't make sense.
Such as you escalating directly to "Fuck off".

I removed the caveats because yes indeed, i now dont understand your play, cant follow it is a logical progression i think you might make as town.

It looks scummy.

You also know what your scum meta is. (At the moment i have forgotten is there a scum game of yours i have read?)

[AxleGreaser]

because people have overinflated egos and pride that they cant handle being scum read and voted once.

and the question about Frogger is...

is this Frogger knowing that about himself and faking it or is this genuine town Frogger.

[AxleGreaser]

Like, Axle expects me to remember every post I made for every reason n while I was hammered, and then every post I made for every reason while my brother was in the hospital and it was a holiday weekend here in the States.

If he realizes, I hardly posted on site that whole weekend. I was away from the game. I didn't give two shits about mafia with more important things.

I honestly don't even know what reasons I posted and why. I just don't care anymore.

Vanilla town

Gonna lurk now.

NO you claimed JUST very recently

There's zero chance I bussed tn).

either that was made up crap, or he really believes "There's zero chance I bussed tn"

now suddenly there is no explanation why that is a zero chance play?

BS.
Scummy BS.

[AxleGreaser]

@FireBringer

Sakura puts up a horrible vote

Sakura reads besides tn seem bad.

I disagree with sakura 237 post volume tends to correlate with alignment in most cases

Sakura unvote of Fro99er for him flailing is bad.

Sakura hana explanation of meta by tn is bad as mentioned by Fro99er though.

Sakura post 379 is pretty bad

Conclusion:

Sakura-Contributes quite a bit, I like what I am seeing from her.

:^)
Get rekt

Btw, what i posted earlier was Ctrl+F my name on Fire's notes, wanting to know where he got the townread since im wary of buddying... my surprise was that... all his posts contradicted with said read.

I can disagree and think you are town. Disagreements doesn't equate to scum reading someone.

So explain how through all those comments you do town read Sakura.

[AxleGreaser]

See the question above.

Also wtf is everyone voting Axxle for?

Who is everyone?

Fro99er

is OMGUS 2374 and AtE 2400

Sal

is ??? 1874 2378 2396 2402

[AxleGreaser]

Sakura seems like bad town, what part of that do you not get?

So where do you see town in the bad?

[AxleGreaser]

Shiro-Scum, sheeps everything. Offers little to no contributions to the game. Everything else is fluff and is actually worse than Pisskop.

Also please explain this.

[AxleGreaser]

Spoiler: annotating fires detailed read post >for me<, dont open if you dont care

Flower Viewing Festival-Notes
Pages 1-10
Page 1: AxleGreaser entrance is just attention whoring. Doubt scum would do that.
Page 2: 27Bad OMGUS by Fro99er, 30 Sakura puts up a horrible vote on a attention whore, another vote by tn5421 on Axle. Like this wagon on Axle is stupid as hell. Banana trolling so people vote her, understandable. Spiffeh post 39 is stupid. 46 Aeronaut put up a vote on spiffeh, I actually would’ve done same. Spiffeh seems like stupid and giving posts that sound like a stereotypical town would say.
Page 3-4 (50): I actually would’ve been on Banana or Spiffeh this early if I was in game I think, both look fishy as hell. tn5421 sounds really town in 52 actually. (53?) Fro99er buddying Axle I don’t know if that’s scum buddying town, will keep reading. 57 Shazam entrance is try hard town. I agree with Fro99er on 66. Then 71 gives me scum feels like he is willing to lynch anyone.
Pages 5-7 (100)Shazam moving to spiffeh I like, post 105 by Spiffeh is bad like he is desperate for players to ignore his vote yet mentions it. Interactions between Sala and Pisskop are interesting, though really null. I don’t know if buddying is going on but I doubt it. Pisskop interactions with Sala are odd though I could see them both being town, if its one its probably Pisskop. Fro99er post 120 is so bad, I HAMMER MY THOUGHTS ALL THE TIME. Jesus. Sala post 130 made my laugh lol. Okay so far Fro99er has confirmed he is scum in my eyes. I don’t see how Sala sees no possibility in Fro99er and PIsskop being team. Sakura reads besides tn seem bad. Aeronaut sees same thing I see at 162 lol. Love Echo entrance
Pages 8-11(175) Fro99er is flailing. Pushing a wagon on tn which is town in retrospect I guess, could be hardcore bussing. Echo jeez your vote is bad, its like a OMGus vote almost. tn5421 post 220 is so bad, then buddies Aeronaut. Echo stop spamming! I disagree with sakura 237 post volume tends to correlate with alignment in most cases theres always at least one scum that lurks. I don’t like Echo using post count meta on players, some players have different activity level based on RL situations, I don’t attribute that to alignment unless I am desperate for leads.
Pages 12(275)-20 Sakura unvote of Fro99er for him flailing is bad(290). I still don’t believe at this point Fro99er is town even if he is pushing lynch on tn hardcore.(321???) Spiffeh vote again is terrible, Why hasn’t this guy been lynched? Okay, theres a day chat for mafia? Fro99er vote on Axle is bad.(329) I almost don’t want to read so much of this shit cause Fro99er is just spamming the thread. Sakura hana explanation of meta by tn is bad as mentioned by Fro99er though. Spiffeh posts are so bad, omg why is alive? My read on Fro99er is getting weaker, though I still think he could be. Sakura post 379 is pretty bad, I don’t know how you don’t see Spiffeh as scum, why you see Banana as town is odd too. Axle hasn’t posted for long time but the few posts he did were screaming town, wtf is going on with you guys voting him. Ricastle and I am Innocent just joined at 17 pages. Slandaar vote is kind of eh. Axle joining is odd to me though. Shazam defense of Spiffeh sounds ridiculous. Flubbernugget joins and he says a lot of null (going to ignore him now since he flipped town). Spiffeh unvotes tn5421 this looks odd, I don’t even like reasoning.(447) The votes on Innocent are just bad. Like it just screams of sheep. I am scum reading Shiro for that vote. (1024)
Pages 21(500)-30 Pisskop stuff is so fluff, Axxle looking town. IaI makes a good point on Shiro, Aero how do you not have a reads list ugh. This train on IaI is so scum driven. Spiffeh and Shiro at the tail end but were pushing it nonetheless and contributed nothing. No counter wagon like IaI said is usually townie one. I agree somewhat with reads list Iai gave, I don’t know how he saw Flubber, Slandar or Mariomaniac as town. I would replace Sala with Pisskop for scum. Davsto is scummy. Shiro just sheeps votes, and admits so. Mariomaniac reentrance to game is terrible, I actually agree with Shiro. Also don’t think they are teaming, but still think Shiro is scum. Spiffeh wagon on Mario I actually like. Mario indifference is kind of annoying. So many sheep jump to Davesto or Mario wagon though lol. I think Spiffeh actually pushed this though to stop a lynch on tn from happening.
Pages 31(750)-40 Pisskop has provided so little here its annoying, and rarely contributes much but just busy questions. Fro99er hasn’t been active as much when heat is on, nobody finds that odd? Pisskop I agree with you but you realize you are being hypocrite on 882? You are pretty much same level. I could flip a coin on Axle post and that would determine if I agreed with him on stuff. I don’t’ see why Echo sees Spiffeh as town, everything else is agreeable. I like Slandaaar posts but they all rather read null.
Pages 41(1000)-80 (LUMPING THEM ALL TOGETHER)
Spiffeh sees wagon Mario growing to fast I think he unvotes for some town cred. Sala fake claim disturbs conversation. Ika joins and is being Ika. Lots of discussion on potential Arsonist. I like Davsto post 1230. The twilight is just full of nonsense. Ricastle gains town points for voting Shiro. I like IaI case on davsto actually. Shiro arguing for Ricastle for OMGus reasons is bad. Fro99er still not being active since he was pushed. Not odd? tn5421 voting IaI, I don’t see how this isn’t opportunistic by tn. Pisskop posts again, bad. Sala claims to be vigi. Is tn bussing spiffeh? How was Slandaar hella town, what pisskop? Echo Echo gains major town points for tn, spiffeh quickly jumps ships, again thinking he is bussing. Ika supper defensive on Sala. Davsto vote on tn feels weak. I still don’t think both scum bussed though so maybe its null. Talk about gunsmith that I don’t really care about, except IaI is conf. Lol at shiro finally voting Ricastle. So weak. Ika eventually gets bored and hammers, yeah. I am surprised he waited this long, could be scum indications.

[AxleGreaser]

Okay, I get that you guys are all happy getting angry

Which people are angry?

[AxleGreaser]

Frogger = Angry drunk

Fro99er is not drunk ATM.

[AxleGreaser]

Fuck off axle.

Fuck off yourself

Why? You wanted me to answer your questions so bad, then why tell me to fuck off?

Umm Ok.

So yes Frogger did indeed go from zero to fuck off. in 2372
In pedit of 2374 he indicated i had voted while he was typing answers... like somehow i should have known.
My post by specifically selecting out that bit and reflecting it back to him thus highlighting that he had in fact indicated an unwillingness to answer (see 2372 para 1).

Spoiler: also

2370 also has a cuss word in it but it could hardly be just an angry response when I went to the effort of finding the four posts.

[AxleGreaser]

If you are wondering where the obv scum fire wagon went.

I still have a ha

r

d time following what happened in here...

Assuming i fixed that for you. I am having hard time too.

2432 Annotates FireBringer's detail post. If you go through checking it for genuineness
I advocate skipping the bits where he calls you bad as its hard to evaluate if other people can legit call you 'bad for that' or not.
Especially when he was doing as a read through and you played it.
(they have both hindsight, and less feel for events)

I find reading fires alignment to be more complicated than I thought. There are questions 2430 2431 are still in the air by me to him though.

If i had to lynch somebody real fast it would be Davsto as i want time on PissKop & Fire.

Fro99er is not currently ranked in that list and when the discussion we are having ends he could still easily be first or last in that list.

[AxleGreaser]

So can anyone explain why, as scum, I wouldn't have just hammered the shit out of pisskop?

Yes i can.
because you also claim to know this.

So can anyone explain why, as scum, I wouldn't have just hammered the shit out of pisskop?

Towncred

And if I had hammered I'd have been called:
a) opportunistic if he'd flipped town
b) bussing for towncred if he'd flipped scum

This is confirmation bias, Fro99er, and you know it.

Which means as scum you would have considered those as the plausible outcomes for hammering.

[AxleGreaser]

@firebringer

A lot has happened but you have overlooked these questions.

Sakura seems like bad town, what part of that do you not get?

So where do you see town in the bad?

Shiro-Scum, sheeps everything. Offers little to no contributions to the game. Everything else is fluff and is actually worse than Pisskop.

Also please explain this.

[AxleGreaser]

@Thread the VCA in 2457 is just demostrably badly done.

Although Sala/Vedith has claiemd the role 2 shot Vig which is very unusual (TBMK) for scum to have. its not impossible. and it also even if they are effectively town it does not confer great wisdom on them, they can just be wrong/bad.

First VCA Itself in this game is much less reliable than you are used to. With shorter days and wagons thus forming and dissolving faster its entirley possible and much mor eliekly than usual that wagon forms or breaks up while no scum is available to jump on.
consider some IAI votes Sala450 1:46 Sakura4582:15(29mins) 459(mario's resistance vote) (spiffeh)460
Its quite possible no scum were even online in that window of time.

A better VCA would consider when the votes were made (was it appropriate at that time), was it useful to (advance the game state)

I read all 3 votes as advancing the game state by finally giving us significant wagon Thus they all got some town points for that.
Mario even got town points, by explicitly being aware that push with possible counter wagon was of value. Acting on that spontaneously also seem less than the caution you might expect from scum with sudden movement.

That would be the reason I was not on the mario wagon.

Consider this

Interesting points to note:

Sakura Hana is on every main wagon except for today, which actually makes me weary of her at the moment.

Sakura hana is indeed on the major wagons, and you can scum read people for that if they are basically following around thread sentiment.

However when it is thread sentiment that is following them around, Sakura is regularly an early voter on wagon that LATER becomes a major wagon. Then scum reading them for that is the equivalent of saying that people who are town read enough that wagons tend to form around their reads are scummy....

If you read through the description there is in fact NO actual ine of reasonign thatelads to Slas eventual conclusion where he votes Axle.

That is the conclusion he brought in. largely provided no reasoning at all why i would be scum, but mentions my name few times. And then concludes I am scum.

I think people should either largely ignore that VCA or start pointing out exactly which bits they are claiming make any sense at all.

People need to make votes and justify their reasoning.

This is flat out awful 2505. You are responsible for your vote. Distancing your self from your vote and its consequences is scummy thing to do. I find it contradictory to the rest of your play please stop.

Why not Proxy to Sala? Well scum on N3 having Killed
N1 Slaandar(fear shot) N2 IaI (gunsmith) then on night three faced with the choice of shooting

Sala a Vig who may or may not have more shots. (who also is acting as large thread presence)
Shiro a Flower vendor (who has no night action at all)

They shoot Shiro.

Clearly they thought and they would know, that Sala reads and potential Vig shots were not all that dangerous.

Not the right person to proxy to.

[AxleGreaser]

TLDR:

You should be voting people based on your own reads of the thread.
Saying why.

Then analysing what people say and repeating.

[AxleGreaser]

Like, Axle expects me to remember every post I made for every reason n while I was hammered, and then every post I made for every reason while my brother was in the hospital and it was a holiday weekend here in the States.

If he realizes, I hardly posted on site that whole weekend. I was away from the game. I didn't give two shits about mafia with more important things.

I honestly don't even know what reasons I posted and why. I just don't care anymore.

Vanilla town

Gonna lurk now.

NO you claimed JUST very recently

There's zero chance I bussed tn).

either that was made up crap, or he really believes "There's zero chance I bussed tn"

now suddenly there is no explanation why that is a zero chance play?

BS.
Scummy BS.

@Frogger explain how you reached the conclusion "There is zero chance you bussed TN"
and how everyone else is meant to know that

When you claim you own memory of events is so poor you cant even now explain what you did and why?

[AxleGreaser]

More on bad analysis just in case I wasnt clear.
This is straight up.

I think this means Axle is most likely scum with one of Sakura/Dav possibly. Adding to the fact that Flubber was lynched by Sakura and Dav,

I doubt they are scum together

.

So people being together on a great big wagon is unlikely (

Sakura or Davsto but not both

.)

Flubbernugget (8) - Echo Echo, Sala

me

nce20, Saku

ra

Hana,

Shiro

, Fro99er, Da

vs

to, pisskop, Spiffeh

but on this wagon

I Am Innocent (4) - Saku

ra

Hana, Axle

Gr

easer, Da

vs

to,

tn5421

it was just fine for 3 out of 4 voters to all be scum piling on...
that does not contraindicate the his proposed reads at all.

I think this means Axle is most likely

scum with one of

Sakura/Dav possibly.

err nope.

[AxleGreaser]

Also Axxle I don't know what I specifically liked I must have read one good post she made that I liked or something, I really don't remember.

Were you drunk by any chance?

I also asked how you had Shiro listed as scum in that post.

Shiro-Scum, sheeps everything. Offers little to no contributions to the game. Everything else is fluff and is actually worse than Pisskop.

Also please explain this.

[AxleGreaser]

What do I have to explain? Everyone of Shiro posts were pretty much crap or repeating what someone else said, also just posts about flowers throughout the ISO, it was just dull and useless.

How was Shiro town? Besides the fact the flip obviously says Shiro was lol.

Which is kind of the point how did you come to post reads post indicating a flipped player was scum?

[AxleGreaser]

EBWOP clarity

What do I have to explain? Everyone of Shiro posts were pretty much crap or repeating what someone else said, also just posts about flowers throughout the ISO, it was just dull and useless.

How was Shiro town? Besides the fact the flip obviously says Shiro was lol.

Which is kind of the point how did you come to post reads post indicating a flipped

town

player(

Shiro

) was

scum

?

[AxleGreaser]

Which is kind of the point how did you come to post reads post indicating a flipped player was scum?

I had it in my notes and didn't bother editing it out during day start.

What strikes me as odd, is that you seem to have stopped reading taking notes, or updating you reads, right about the time you started playing the game.

2432 Ends at " Ika eventually gets bored and hammers, yeah. I am surprised he waited this long, could be scum indications."

You replaced in at 1840 your detailed notes stop at 1828

It looks to me like you stopped trying to figure the game out.

[AxleGreaser]

@Town

I can see we are going to need to eventually consolidate to make scum lynch happen.
Frogger Firebringer and Davsto are all viable for me.

Which by implication will mean a PissKop/Bearbert D lynch smells funny.
Even apart from my reads thinking it the worst lynch.

[AxleGreaser]

So between these two posts, 3 people (not including pisskop) jumped off the pisskop wagon. Why? Pisskop's behaviour hadn't changed. I'm seeing some of the unvotes - particularly Echo Echo's, as jumping off the bussing wagon.

Why Echo echo?

Some of the unvotes implies more than 1 but there are only three.
Which other votes and why?

[AxleGreaser]

Second, "You missed your chance" sounds a lot like scum taunting a townie that they didn't get to hammer a scum to me.

What have you done to try and find out if your theory has merit or if there is some other explanation?

How do you explain Echo Echo and the tn wagon?

[AxleGreaser]

I know I am scum reading fro99er but that point seemed valid to me

but Fro99er's also came soon after, and had pretty naff reasoning.

VOTE: davsto

the timing of that hop back on pisskop is terrible. Now that two people (well, one plus pisskop himself) moved off pisskop, you jump on. Terrible terrible. Like you were "afraid" to hammer without a claim in case he flipped cop (kop's not gonna be a cop given what we've seen flip/had claimed so far), but actually you're probably just rolefishing.

which is why I followed it up at 2442

pedit: You must be very glad to see Echo echo, that really big bus you have in your pocket.

Really I suppose, if you are prepared to just call it bus and move on, then you can read anyone you like as scum.

other than you want it to be a scum bus because then it fits your theory.
Is there anything about Echos and Tns posts that makes you specifically think Echo is the one bussing.

[AxleGreaser]

What have you done to try and find out if your theory has merit or if there is some other explanation?

Well I've tried to get pisskop lynched to prove he is scum, and then the associative tells will be more than just speculation.

Id have thought trying to get more info out of Echo echo

You have question with no answer.

Why? Pisskop's behaviour hadn't changed.

You assume that you dont know of any reason means its scummy one. What if you just dont know.

[AxleGreaser]

You assume that you dont know of any reason means its scummy one. What if you just dont know.

Well Echo did give a reason, just a really really crap one when he voted me.

Well that the reason he gave at that time to vote you.

You claim that nothing changed that could explain his unvote of Pisskop.

and nothing important to your read changed.
How do you know Echo does not have perfectly good explanation of why he unvoted pisskop?

[AxleGreaser]

BTW as people skim and just grab thread sentiment.

@Thread

My current lynch order is Frogger (unfinished business), Fire, Davsto.

Davsto is last perhaps due to my read but also due to

And wont vote Davsto ...

Sakura why not Davsto due to those wagons

[AxleGreaser]

Well as far as I care, he should have already given a reason, but whatever.

What if he did?

Do note thinking to ask such stuff for yourself is working the game out.
Getting spoon fed not so much.

[AxleGreaser]

Davesto - so you think I bussed tn, echo bussed tn, and now I'm bussing pisskop slot?


Oooooook

He didn't say you and Echo were both scum.

regarding just you. (one of the possibilities he considered)

You were not here when Tn was lynched so you didnt bus him at that time or vote him as you were not here, final tn vote

and as you have still never explained

Like, Axle expects me to remember every post I made for every reason n while I was hammered, and then every post I made for every reason while my brother was in the hospital and it was a holiday weekend here in the States.

If he realizes, I hardly posted on site that whole weekend. I was away from the game. I didn't give two shits about mafia with more important things.

I honestly don't even know what reasons I posted and why. I just don't care anymore.

Vanilla town

Gonna lurk now.

NO you claimed JUST very recently

There's zero chance I bussed tn).

either that was made up crap, or he really believes "There's zero chance I bussed tn"

now suddenly there is no explanation why that is a zero chance play?

BS.
Scummy BS.

@Frogger explain how you reached the conclusion "There is zero chance you bussed TN"
and how everyone else is meant to know that

When you claim you own memory of events is so poor you cant even now explain what you did and why?

I would not blame him for not remembering your push on D1 as anything that couldn't be mere distancing.

[AxleGreaser]

I think I hear the wind

For person who has claimed to think i am scum
and also said

You read axle based off his reactions to everyone else. He's got a pretty clear scumhunting/non-scumhunting meta, IMO.

You are doing a piss poor job of either finding out, or explaining your read to anyone else.

I don't think you are that bad.

and that one reason for the vote.

[AxleGreaser]

I think someone farted.

[AxleGreaser]

There was this question.

@Echo, why did you unvote pisskop?

And I might know the answer, but Id be more interested to know if you ...
Well perhaps not specifically me being more interested

Meh.

Echo when you made this vote you unvoted Pisskop

[...]
[unvoting Pisskop]
VOTE: dave
[..]

Why did you lose interest in lynching Pisskop? (and thus unvote him)

[AxleGreaser]

In any case the back and forth between Axle and Frogger comes off as Town vs Town,

We'll see.
There is certainly room for movement as this would be very strange wagon if my best guess reads were all right.

Bea

rb

ert D (3) - Fire

br

inger, Da

vs

to, Fro

99

er

[AxleGreaser]

(

sorry, I cant resist

)

Sorry, still catching up but I want to know the main people to focus on.

Well this question is trickier than it looks. My list of who to focus on is just up the thread bit.(2572) So that would be one opinion.

BUT

You dont know if I am scum (misleading you) or town

WAT do?

Well you know your own alignment and hence your predecessors.

Their last read was developed here 2457 Which I critiqued here 2543 and here 2547
That last read reached the conclusion that Axle was scum. (by a means I don't understand)

Which leaves us in conundrum wrapped up in quandary.

So if you find you agree with 2457,

would you mind explaining it to me?

ta.

Re: masons (one has been flipped and one has claimed) (no one has asked if there were more, and I think that would be bad to do, so we wont do that Ok.)

[AxleGreaser]

Mostly VCA on axle,

So as you have said that several times and IIRC it contradicts your reads based on content please explain.

[AxleGreaser]

Mostly VCA on axle,

So as you have said that several times and

IIRC it contradicts your reads based on content

please explain.

Nope rereading no i dont know that it does, but explain anyway please.

[AxleGreaser]

@Shazzam

actually you asked this question.

So maybe the rest of you could just say which of those four you're willing to lynch?

So.

get your answer to your question before you answer mine if you like.

[AxleGreaser]

still missing details

You have voted my townreads

So have you coloured in Dave as green? (as a strong town read?)

and you think right in the middle of driving on my scum read IaI (yeah he was town but at the time i was pressing him to find out)
right in the middle of me as scum doing that...

I turn on tn like this 1395 ?? When he lends me support?


Here was the VCA, when I got back on line and found my IaI read was wrong. (the day was about done...)

tn5421 (7) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh, Salamence20, Davsto, Shazam, Ricastle, Sakura Hana
Davsto (2) - pisskop, AxleGreaser

So I followed up my Dave read.

Please explain what part of 1637 (and associated posts) you find to be unreasonable?

[AxleGreaser]

nd his claim seemed genuine and came with a pro-town attitude.

what claim?

[AxleGreaser]

nd his claim seemed genuine and came with a pro-town attitude.

what claim?

Honestly, I ain't a power role or anything so if lynching me is what it takes for you to ignore me and concentrate on the actual scum in this game then it's fine by me.

So you read his reluctance to actually do stuff as?

[AxleGreaser]

It leads me to wonder why you would remember such a thing specifically.

same reason I remembered the Slaandar quote.
I remember quite a bit of stuff.

It was where I first suddenly moved Tn quite distance up my scum list.
If I hadn't been busy with my current reads.

[AxleGreaser]

As regards 1637, I don't find it unreasonable, I find it unpersuasive and not very genuine. I don't buy him as scum from that post, and I don't buy you thinking he's scum from that post.

The reason i asked you to read around that area. is not because i think it makes him scum,
but because i am wondering if you can explain how you think that is me as scum trying to get a towny lynched.

It is possible you can think that, but as i know I have in fact been trying to make sure Davsto has every opportunity to appear ton if he can, by encouraging participation instead of just hammering him and pressuring him really hard, i want to know how you see me as scum railroading him.
or just what it is you think you are seeing.

You claim to have an understanding of his charcter.
Go back and consider just how thin his content would have been without my probing?

[AxleGreaser]

VOTE: FireBringer

[AxleGreaser]

Posts tags too hard apparently
2119

FTR. My conclusion
which is why I have annotated that 2432

is that Fire's 2119 is legitimate read of the game while trying to work stuff out.

At best however if you treat it like normal made up scum post.
Going through and trying to pick details out of that that were never actively pushed but only bread crumbed,
would at best be good way to pick up what was put there for later distancing or fake buddying tells.

Either way the details of 2119 are pretty much nigh on useless.

Frogger made an attempt earlier to suggest there was slip. That if it makes sense is something that could conceivably be in there.

But claiming there was some push made by fire because he mentioned something somewhere deep in wall of hard to read text. is BS.

I am sure someone farted.

[AxleGreaser]

I hear the wind.

[AxleGreaser]

Does anyone even understand what Frog is doing?

probably trying to play like town Fro99er?

He did spin out pretty hard when he got lynched in
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6840029
but he knows that.

This to me looks different.

[AxleGreaser]

Sakura do you have other (even) non results?
That we could should know about

Yes / No. (choose one)

[AxleGreaser]

actually I only ask to be sure you thought about it.
rather than just being happy to finally get fire lynched.

[AxleGreaser]

VOTE: Fro99er

[AxleGreaser]

Fro99er can you please play to your win condition if you are town. I think you are so I'm annoyed that you are doing this.

Will read up in a bit.

Which was one of the things that was different yesterday and today.

Does anyone even understand what Frog is doing?

probably trying to play like town Fro99er?

He did spin out pretty hard when he got lynched in
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6840029
but he knows that.

This to me looks different.

Fro99er is scum by meta

In that ISO Frogger does not forget his town wincon.
In that game there was rational justification that he was in fact is his opinion dead in the water
From here and on in the ISO he clearly tried to help town,
(

notes=IIRC I was asleep at the time that Fr099er and the Fellissan lynch went down, so I never really understood how town derped like that. SO while normally people who layed the game have better feel than others, I dont claim that about frogs meta while he crashed and burned(The 8 game hours around that link), I only know what pushed him there, and in this game I dont see what did. Or even a claim anything has.

)

[AxleGreaser]

Fro99er

is scum by timestamps

This point is partly included because tradition. but it is also has some validity

(4:50pm aest)

Is this the part where i say that fire targeted shiro last night?

Fire should fullclaim rn

(4:52pm aest)

VOTE: Fire

Can't see Sakura pulling a gambit. Sala shot fire so fire is scum BP. Makes sense

(4:52pm aest)

Is this the part where i say that fire targeted shiro last night?

Fire should fullclaim rn

pretty sure he claimed Bulletproof

Yeah I just ISO'd and saw

That is a very fast ISO. (he did it in 2-3mins and typed two posts)

or Fro99er forgot that his buddy had claimed BP (as he wasn't actually a BP just a goon) and either remebered (and reached for the excuse of the ISO) or read Fire saying he already had in the scum PT.

[AxleGreaser]

I'm going to leave as much trail as possible so town doesn't fuck this up any more after I'm mislynched tomorrow

not seeing this ^^^^ happening

Frogger made an attempt earlier to suggest there was slip. That if it makes sense is something that could conceivably be in there.

It wasn't an attempt. I'm 100% positive it was a scumslip

Is fro99er 100% positive because he knows?

votecount 2.7 (final)

tn5421 (9) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh, Salamence20,

Davsto, Shazam

, Ricastle, Sakura Hana, pisskop, ika

Davsto

(1) - AxleGreaser
I Am Innocent (1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) - I Am Innocent
Flubbernugget (1) - Shiro

Not voting (3) - Flubbernugget,

Fro99er, Aeronaut

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

Fro99er is V/LA until September 7. Shazam is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.

[AxleGreaser]

Some VCA.
(partly plagiarized)
Largest Extent of IaI wagon D1:

I Am Innocent (7) -

Ricastle

, pisskop,

Salamence20

, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh,

Shiro

,

BananaCucho

Davsto (2) -

Slandaar

, AxleGreaser
Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

Flubbernugget

Salamence20 (2) -

MarioManiac4

,

tn5421

tn5421 (1) - Fro

99

er
Spiffeh (1) -

Aeronaut

AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo
Ricastle (1) -

I Am Innocent

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (1) - VeeGee


Largest Extent of Dav Wagon D1

Da

vs

to (7) -

BananaCucho

, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana,

Salamence20

, Fro

99

er,

I Am Innocent

, pisskop
Salamence20 (2) -

MarioManiac4

,

tn5421

MarioManiac4 (2) - Spiffeh, Da

vs

to
Echo Echo (1) -

Flubbernugget

I Am Innocent (1) - AxleGreaser
Spiffeh (1) -

Aeronaut

Fro99er (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (4) - VeeGee,

Shiro, Slandaar, Ricastle

Mario's Lynch D1

MarioManiac4 (10) - Da

vs

to,

Slandaar

,

Shiro

, Sakura Hana,

BananaCucho

, Sh

az

am,

Salamence20

,

Ricastle

, Spiffeh, pisskop
Da

vs

to (4) - Echo Echo, Fro

99

er,

I Am Innocent

,

MarioManiac4

I Am Innocent (2) - AxleGreaser,

Flubbernugget

Salamence20 (1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

Aeronaut

Not voting (1) - ika


Greatest Extent of IaI wagon D2

I Am Innocent (4) - Sakura Hana, AxleGreaser, Da

vs

to,

tn5421

Shiro (1) -

Ricastle

Spiffeh (1) -

I Am Innocent

Aeronaut

(1) -

Salamence20

Da

vs

to (1) - pisskop

Not voting (8) - Spiffeh, ika, Flubbernugget, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er, Shiro, Echo Echo,

Aeronaut

TN Lynch D2

tn5421 (9) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh,

Salamence20

, Da

vs

to, Sh

az

am,

Ricastle

, Sakura Hana, pisskop, ika
Da

vs

to (1) - AxleGreaser
I Am Innocent (1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

I Am Innocent

Flubbernugget (1) -

Shiro

Not voting (3) - Flubbernugget, Fro

99

er,

Aeronaut

Flubber lynch D3

Flubbernugget (8) - Echo Echo,

Salamence20

, Sakura Hana,

Shiro

, Fro

99

er, Da

vs

to, pisskop, Spiffeh

Firebringer

(2) -

Ricastle

, AxleGreaser

Not voting (4) - ika, Flubbernugget, Sh

az

am,

Firebringer

Only wagon that i have noticed that seems a bit weird
(and yes i am and always was happy that the entire first IaI wagon was all town, due to how and when it formed)

largest extent of the BearBert Wagon

Bearbert D (3) - F

irebringer

, Da

vs

to, Fro

99

er
Fro99er (2) - Sh

az

am, AxleGreaser
Davsto (1) - Echo Echo
Shazam (1) - Ricastle
Firebringer (1) - Sakura Hana

Not voting (4) - Spiffeh, ika, Bearbert D, Vedith

and yes i can live with that bit as what else were scum going to do?

[AxleGreaser]

@Shazam
You have thought Fro99er was scum for a while now.
Who besides Davsto (aka anyone but Davsto) do you think is also scum?
Why?

[AxleGreaser]

All I can defend myself

with is by playing mafia. Please do.

[AxleGreaser]

@Shazam
so yesterday's

FireBringer

lynch was a mega bus for the cred? that also ran over

Fro99er

?

[AxleGreaser]

EBWOP

: That post is in respect to Sakura. Who has claimed a PR, which also strictly limits her credible end game potential if she's scum.

[AxleGreaser]

@Frogger

So apart from (apparently?) Shazam (or nobody?)
who do you think is scum?
why?

[AxleGreaser]

But yes, I will still GLADLY die if people actually lynch scum after lynching me.

@Frogger

So apart from (apparently?) Shazam (or nobody?)
who do you think is scum?
why?

[AxleGreaser]

Axle, read 2781 for your answer Jesus fuck. After this I'm not speaking to you anymore. I'm tired of you derailing town with your pestering of me.

So as that read by shizam was restricted to ONLY which scum were on IaI's wagon, you're fine with that.

You are convinced there must be one scum on the IaI wagon?

[AxleGreaser]

I was hoping ppl would engage me at least about why i didnt roleblock frogger, but apparently ppl are just too focused arguing.

FTR I dont care. Here is sheaf of reasons for next time (if you are scum and want to make one up) (I was convinced X was scum and was so obv he wouldn't make the kill in case of a tracker/RB )(I wifomed they would think that and do the kill with the already compromised player, as if they get tracked its smaller loss)(YOLO) (...)
Role fishing as town is bad? I try not to be bad.

[AxleGreaser]

Ok me not knowing how Sakura is confirmed town means I need to read this a lot more carefully.

Can someone please enlighten me?

This is embarrassing.

Ok.
I will try.

The Fro99er wagon is NOT shit.

This Fro99er wagon is such shit what are you guys doing??

Read the thread in the part you missed where Sakura (kind of) claimed tracker.
Read Fro99er.
Read his not very woe is me flailing.
Read my post on Meta, go read his flailing in the game I linked to that was town fro99er, this isn't.

[AxleGreaser]

Well he has read my meta post, and the others near it, now
and since then

and now he more himself.

[AxleGreaser]

Frog is scum by meta part 2

Here is fro99er thinking about his claimed town WinCon

We're less than 48 hours from deadline and nowhere near a lynch.

Everyone should either vote Bearbert or vote me, pronto

The right here immediately after Sakura outs a red tracker check on Fire....
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7219932

Suddenly Fro99er gets suicidal?
culminating in 2717

How on earth does anyone with town PM read that reaction by Fro99er to the news of red check, produce that reaction from a town Fro99er?

Today i point his out.... here

In that ISO (of a different game town)Fro99er does not forget his town wincon.

and suddenly Fro99er has this ISO.

This IS fro99er after my post calling him scum by meta
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7224792

yeah ... NO.

[AxleGreaser]

fire was against it meaning that at worst there is one scum in there.

take it he was knoing they are all town so fuck that we lynch anything and everything otuside of that

ika IS

Town

[AxleGreaser]

@Shazam
You have thought Fro99er was scum for a while now.
Who besides Davsto (aka anyone but Davsto) do you think is also scum?
Why?

Sakura Hana. See my iso #26-32. Other than that, you're probably the next on the list for me, for reasons I've explained.

So apparently when you said this, you had not actually readjusted any of your thinking based on yesterdays flips or play.
And even when i asked you about your reads...
you just referred me back to your previous position and did not think about updating it?

That rather somewhat, a lot, looks like you are not scum hunting nor currently thinking about solving the game.

@Axle
You're right, Sakura's not scum with this scumbag. His self-vote didn't deflect much suspicion, so he removed it. The above was a clear confirmation-biased attempt to find anything he could to connect me to tn and Fire. Classic OMGUS flailing.

So...

@Shazam

You have thought Fro99er was scum for a while now.

Based on all the information up to now.

Who besides Davsto (aka anyone but Davsto) do you think is also scum?
Why?

[AxleGreaser]

Ta for the outline, I did it the other way round.
I worked out who i thought was scum and then checked to see if there was problem I got

Spoiler: Votecounts with Ricastle conftown + Axles 3 scum reads

votecount 1.1

AxleGreaser (2) - Spiffeh, Fro

99

er

shiro

(1) - Bearbert D

slandaar

(1) - AxleGreaser
Fro

99

er (1) -

firebringer

I am innocent

(1) -

Bananacucho

Echo Echo (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (12) - Sakura Hana,

Ricastle

,

vedith

,

tn5421

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

shiro

,

mariomaniac4

, Echo Echo, Da

vs

to

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.2

Bananacucho

(4) - Fro

99

er,

vedith

, Spiffeh, Bearbert D

AxleGreaser (2) - Sakura Hana,

tn5421

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

Fro

99

er (1) -

Bananacucho

Echo Echo (1) - Sh

az

am
Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

Not voting (8) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

, Echo Echo, Da

vs

to

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.3

Bananacucho

(4) - Fro

99

er,

vedith

, Spiffeh, Bearbert D

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

Fro

99

er (2) -

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana
Spiffeh (2) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am
AxleGreaser (1) -

tn5421

Not voting (8) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

, Echo Echo, Da

vs

to

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.4

Fro

99

er (4) -

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

tn5421

Spiffeh (3) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am, Echo Echo

Bananacucho

(2) -

vedith

, Spiffeh

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er

Not voting (7) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

, Da

vs

to

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.5

Fro

99

er (4) -

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

tn5421

Spiffeh (3) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am, Echo Echo

Bananacucho

(2) -

vedith

, Spiffeh

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er

Not voting (7) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

, Da

vs

to

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.6

Fro

99

er (4) -

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

tn5421

Spiffeh (2) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am

Bananacucho

(2) -

vedith

, Spiffeh

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to, Fro

99

er

firebringer

(1) - Echo Echo

Not voting (6) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.7

Fro

99

er (3) - Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

tn5421

Spiffeh (3) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am, Echo Echo

Bananacucho

(2) -

vedith

, Spiffeh

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to, Fro

99

er

Not voting (7) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

,

Bananacucho

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.8

Fro

99

er (2) - Bearbert D,

tn5421

Spiffeh (2) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

tn5421

(2) - Fro

99

er, Echo Echo

Bananacucho

(1) -

vedith

Echo Echo (1) - Da

vs

to
Sh

az

am (1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (8) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

,

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.9

Spiffeh (2) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

tn5421

(2) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh

Bananacucho

(1) -

vedith

Echo Echo (1) - Da

vs

to
AxleGreaser (1) - Fro

99

er

Not voting (10) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

,

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

tn5421

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.10

tn5421

(2) - Spiffeh, Fro

99

er
Spiffeh (2) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

Bananacucho

(1) -

vedith

Echo Echo (1) - Da

vs

to
AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo

Not voting (10) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

,

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

tn5421

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.11

I am innocent

(3) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

Da

vs

to (2) -

slandaar

, AxleGreaser

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

slandaar

(1) -

shiro

AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo
Echo Echo (1) - Da

vs

to

Ricastle

(1) -

I am innocent

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (7) - Ika,

flubbernugget

,

mariomaniac4

,

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana,

tn5421

, Spiffeh

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.12

I am innocent

(5) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh

Da

vs

to (2) -

slandaar

, AxleGreaser

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

slandaar

(1) -

shiro

AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo
Echo Echo (1) - Da

vs

to

Ricastle

(1) -

I am innocent

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

vedith

(1) -

mariomaniac4

Not voting (4) - Ika,

flubbernugget

,

Bananacucho

,

tn5421

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.13

I am innocent

(7) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh,

shiro

,

Bananacucho

Da

vs

to (2) -

slandaar

, AxleGreaser
Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo

Ricastle

(1) -

I am innocent

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

vedith

(1) -

mariomaniac4

Not voting (2) - Ika,

tn5421

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.14

I am innocent

(7) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh,

shiro

,

Bananacucho

Da

vs

to (2) -

slandaar

, AxleGreaser
Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

vedith

(2) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo

Ricastle

(1) -

I am innocent

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

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votecount 1.15

I am innocent

(6) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh,

shiro

Spiffeh (3) -

firebringer

,

I am innocent

,

Bananacucho

Da

vs

to (2) -

slandaar

, AxleGreaser
Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

vedith

(2) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo
Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

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votecount 1.16

I am innocent

(6) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh,

shiro

Spiffeh (3) -

firebringer

,

I am innocent

,

Bananacucho

Da

vs

to (2) -

slandaar

, AxleGreaser
Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

vedith

(2) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo
Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

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votecount 1.17

I am innocent

(5) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

,

shiro

, AxleGreaser

Da

vs

to (4) -

slandaar

,

Bananacucho

, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana

vedith

(3) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

,

I am innocent

Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

mariomaniac4

(1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

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votecount 1.18

Da

vs

to (5) -

slandaar

,

Bananacucho

, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana,

vedith

I am innocent

(4) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

shiro

, AxleGreaser

vedith

(3) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

,

I am innocent

Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

mariomaniac4

(1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

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votecount 1.19

Da

vs

to (5) -

slandaar

,

Bananacucho

, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana,

vedith

I am innocent

(4) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

shiro

, AxleGreaser

vedith

(3) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

,

I am innocent

Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

mariomaniac4

(1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

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votecount 1.20

Da

vs

to (6) -

slandaar

,

Bananacucho

, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana,

vedith

, Fro

99

er

I am innocent

(4) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

shiro

, AxleGreaser

vedith

(3) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

,

I am innocent

Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

mariomaniac4

(1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

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votecount 1.21

Da

vs

to (7) -

Bananacucho

, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana,

vedith

, Fro

99

er,

I am innocent

, Bearbert D

vedith

(2) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

mariomaniac4

(2) - Spiffeh, Da

vs

to
Echo Echo (1) -

flubbernugget

I am innocent

(1) - AxleGreaser
Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (4) - Ika,

shiro

,

slandaar

,

Ricastle

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

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votecount 1.22

mariomaniac4

(8) - Da

vs

to,

slandaar

,

shiro

, Sakura Hana,

Bananacucho

,

tn5421

, Sh

az

am,

vedith

Da

vs

to (4) - Echo Echo, Fro

99

er,

I am innocent

, Bearbert D

I am innocent

(2) - AxleGreaser,

flubbernugget

vedith

(1) -

mariomaniac4

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

shiro

(1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (2) - Ika, Spiffeh

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

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votecount 1.23

mariomaniac4

(7) - Da

vs

to,

slandaar

,

shiro

, Sakura Hana,

Bananacucho

, Sh

az

am,

vedith

Da

vs

to (5) - Echo Echo, Fro

99

er,

I am innocent

, Bearbert D,

mariomaniac4

I am innocent

(2) - AxleGreaser,

flubbernugget

vedith

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

shiro

(1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (2) - Ika, Spiffeh

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

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votecount 1.24

mariomaniac4

(8) - Da

vs

to,

slandaar

,

shiro

, Sakura Hana,

Bananacucho

, Sh

az

am,

vedith

,

Ricastle

Da

vs

to (5) - Echo Echo, Fro

99

er,

I am innocent

, Bearbert D,

mariomaniac4

I am innocent

(2) - AxleGreaser,

flubbernugget

vedith

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

Not voting (2) - ika, Spiffeh

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

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votecount 1.25 (final)

mariomaniac4

(10) - Da

vs

to,

slandaar

,

shiro

, Sakura Hana,

Bananacucho

, Sh

az

am,

vedith

,

Ricastle

, Spiffeh, Bearbert D

Da

vs

to (4) - Echo Echo, Fro

99

er,

I am innocent

,

mariomaniac4

I am innocent

(2) - AxleGreaser,

flubbernugget

vedith

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

Not voting (1) - ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

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votecount 2.0

Not voting (16) - Bearbert D, Sakura Hana,

Ricastle

,

vedith

, AxleGreaser,

tn5421

, Spiffeh, ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er,

shiro

, Echo Echo,

firebringer

, Da

vs

to

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

[/ ]

feck

votecount 2.1

I am innocent

(3) - Sakura Hana, AxleGreaser, Da

vs

to

shiro

(1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (12) - Bearbert D,

vedith

,

tn5421

, Spiffeh, ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er,

shiro

, Echo Echo,

firebringer

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

[/ ]

votecount 2.2

I am innocent

(3) - Sakura Hana, AxleGreaser, Da

vs

to

shiro

(1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (12) - Bearbert D,

vedith

,

tn5421

, Spiffeh, ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er,

shiro

, Echo Echo,

firebringer

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

[/ ]

Mod V/LA through end of Monday

Noted.

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votecount 2.3

I am innocent

(4) - Sakura Hana, AxleGreaser, Da

vs

to,

tn5421

shiro

(1) -

Ricastle

Spiffeh (1) -

I am innocent

firebringer

(1) -

vedith

Da

vs

to (1) - Bearbert D

Not voting (8) - Spiffeh, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er,

shiro

, Echo Echo,

firebringer

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7.[/ ]

@mod V/LA the 7th and maybe the 8th.

Noted.

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votecount 2.4

tn5421

(7) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh,

vedith

, Da

vs

to, Sh

az

am,

Ricastle

, Sakura Hana

Da

vs

to (2) - Bearbert D, AxleGreaser

I am innocent

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

I am innocent

Not voting (5) - ika,

flubbernugget

, Fro

99

er,

firebringer

,

shiro

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 2.5

tn5421

(7) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh,

vedith

, Da

vs

to, Sh

az

am,

Ricastle

, Sakura Hana

Da

vs

to (2) - Bearbert D, AxleGreaser

I am innocent

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

I am innocent

flubbernugget

(1) -

shiro

Not voting (4) - ika,

flubbernugget

, Fro

99

er,

firebringer

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 2.6

tn5421

(8) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh,

vedith

, Da

vs

to, Sh

az

am,

Ricastle

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D

Da

vs

to (1) - AxleGreaser

I am innocent

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

I am innocent

flubbernugget

(1) -

shiro

Not voting (4) - ika,

flubbernugget

, Fro

99

er,

firebringer

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 2.7 (final)

tn5421

(9) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh,

vedith

, Da

vs

to, Sh

az

am,

Ricastle

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D, ika

Da

vs

to (1) - AxleGreaser

I am innocent

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

I am innocent

flubbernugget

(1) -

shiro

Not voting (3) -

flubbernugget

, Fro

99

er,

firebringer

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 3.0

Not voting (14) - Bearbert D, Sakura Hana,

Ricastle

,

vedith

, AxleGreaser, Spiffeh, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er,

shiro

, Echo Echo,

firebringer

, Da

vs

to

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 3.1

firebringer

(1) - Fro

99

er

flubbernugget

(1) - Echo Echo

Not voting (12) - Bearbert D, Sakura Hana,

Ricastle

,

vedith

, AxleGreaser, Spiffeh, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am,

shiro

,

firebringer

, Da

vs

to

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 3.2

flubbernugget

(4) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana, Fro

99

er

firebringer

(1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (9) - Bearbert D,

Ricastle

, AxleGreaser, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am,

shiro

,

firebringer

, Da

vs

to

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 3.3

flubbernugget

(5) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana,

shiro

, Fro

99

er

Not voting (9) - Bearbert D,

Ricastle

, AxleGreaser, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am,

firebringer

, Da

vs

to, Spiffeh

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 3.4

flubbernugget

(6) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana,

shiro

, Fro

99

er, AxleGreaser

firebringer

(1) -

Ricastle

vedith

(1) -

firebringer

Not voting (6) - Bearbert D, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Da

vs

to, Spiffeh

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8. Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 3.5

flubbernugget

(5) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana,

shiro

, Fro

99

er

firebringer

(1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (8) - Bearbert D, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Da

vs

to, Spiffeh,

firebringer

, AxleGreaser

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 3.6

flubbernugget

(6) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana,

shiro

, Fro

99

er, Da

vs

to

firebringer

(2) -

Ricastle

, AxleGreaser

Not voting (6) - Bearbert D, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Spiffeh,

firebringer

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 3.7

flubbernugget

(7) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana,

shiro

, Fro

99

er, Da

vs

to, Bearbert D

firebringer

(2) -

Ricastle

, AxleGreaser

Not voting (5) - ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Spiffeh,

firebringer

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 3.8 (final)

flubbernugget

(8) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana,

shiro

, Fro

99

er, Da

vs

to, Bearbert D, Spiffeh

firebringer

(2) -

Ricastle

, AxleGreaser

Not voting (4) - ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am,

firebringer

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.0

Not voting (12) - Bearbert D, Sakura Hana,

Ricastle

,

vedith

, AxleGreaser, Spiffeh, ika, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er, Echo Echo,

firebringer

, Da

vs

to

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.1

firebringer

(4) - Sh

az

am, AxleGreaser, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D

Bearbert D (1) -

firebringer

Not voting (7) -

Ricastle

,

vedith

, Spiffeh, ika, Fro

99

er, Echo Echo, Da

vs

to

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.2

Bearbert D (4) -

firebringer

, Echo Echo, AxleGreaser, Fro

99

er

firebringer

(4) - Sh

az

am, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

vedith

Fro

99

er (1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (3) - Spiffeh, ika, Da

vs

to

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.3

Bearbert D (6) -

firebringer

, Echo Echo, AxleGreaser, Fro

99

er,

vedith

, Bearbert D

firebringer

(2) - Sh

az

am, Sakura Hana
Fro

99

er (1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (3) - Spiffeh, ika, Da

vs

to

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.4

Bearbert D (4) -

firebringer

, AxleGreaser,

vedith

, Da

vs

to

Da

vs

to (2) - Bearbert D, Echo Echo

firebringer

(2) - Sh

az

am, Sakura Hana
Fro

99

er (1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (3) - Spiffeh, ika, Fro

99

er

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.5

Bearbert D (5) -

firebringer

, AxleGreaser,

vedith

, Da

vs

to, Fro

99

er

Da

vs

to (2) - Bearbert D, Echo Echo

firebringer

(2) - Sh

az

am, Sakura Hana
Fro

99

er (1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (2) - Spiffeh, ika

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.6

Fro

99

er (2) - Sh

az

am, AxleGreaser
Bearbert D (2) -

firebringer

, Da

vs

to
Da

vs

to (2) - Bearbert D, Echo Echo
AxleGreaser (2) -

vedith

, Fro

99

er

firebringer

(1) - Sakura Hana
Sh

az

am (1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (2) - Spiffeh, ika

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

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votecount 4.7

Bearbert D (5) -

firebringer

, Da

vs

to,

vedith

, Fro

99

er, Sakura Hana

Fro

99

er (2) - Sh

az

am, AxleGreaser
Da

vs

to (2) - Bearbert D, Echo Echo
Sh

az

am (1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (2) - Spiffeh, ika

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

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votecount 4.8

Bearbert D (3) -

firebringer

, Da

vs

to, Fro

99

er

Fro

99

er (2) - Sh

az

am, AxleGreaser
Da

vs

to (1) - Echo Echo
Sh

az

am (1) -

Ricastle

firebringer

(1) - Sakura Hana

Not voting (4) - Spiffeh, ika, Bearbert D,

vedith

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

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votecount 4.9

Bearbert D (3) -

firebringer

, Da

vs

to, Fro

99

er

Fro

99

er (2) - Sh

az

am, AxleGreaser
Da

vs

to (1) - Echo Echo
Sh

az

am (1) -

Ricastle

firebringer

(1) - Sakura Hana

Not voting (4) - Spiffeh, ika, Bearbert D,

vedith

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

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votecount 4.10 (final)

firebringer

(7) - Sakura Hana, AxleGreaser, Da

vs

to,

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

, Fro

99

er

Bearbert D (1) -

firebringer

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am
Da

vs

to (1) - Echo Echo

Not voting (2) - Spiffeh, ika

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

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As you have only information and conclusion I don't know quite how you did your VCA.
More comments in next post as this is getting unwieldy

[AxleGreaser]

In my list

tn

is on frog99er at VC 1.4 (but that is page 8 and very early D1. Its not likely to go to completion and not all that dangeorous a time to do that.)
Later 1.10 Frogger is voting

tn

as second vote with only a mild push.
Later at 1.20 Fro99er does vote Davsto. But scum have to vote scum some time. And Fro99er had TBMK intermittent access issues during the game.

Fro99er is there to the end of D1.
At 1.22 Davsto is nice and safe with 3 scum on the town wagon.

Frog is VLA the day of the tn wagon.

D3 Frog does vote

Fire

early. 3.1
but is quite quickly on the

Flubb

wagon

Day 4
Frog basically votes the bear wagon all day
until Sakuras claim.
Then does the obvious but very messily done flip to

Fire

.

It is true that clumps the scum tight, but who else were they going to mislynch.

For me
Alternative scum team colorings that involve Bearbert, (3 out of 4(Fro99er,Shazam,Davsto,Bear))
have not just multiple scum on the D4 Bearbert wagon but that it is also a great big bus.

For me that will make only start to make sense if one of Davsto Fro99er and Shazam flip town, and nothing else has become apparent.

I find very little in the VCA to contraindicate my scum read on Fro99er,
(AND there is plausible 5 man scum team that includes him)
do bear in mind that reaching that conclusion requires some input from reading how Frog does play scum.
(hes not averse to an all town on town wagon D1)

[AxleGreaser]

@ECHO

I was talking to Dave a guy you want lynched.
The convo stalled because I didn't have an answer to his question to you.

There was this question.

@Echo, why did you unvote pisskop?

And I might know the answer, but Id be more interested to know if you ...
Well perhaps not specifically me being more interested

Meh.

Echo when you made this vote you unvoted Pisskop

[...]
[unvoting Pisskop]
VOTE: dave
[..]

Why did you lose interest in lynching Pisskop? (and thus unvote him)

I went to lot of effort to get him to ask the question.
Id like to see what he thinks of the answer.
(Although the time may have passed, and it may not be useful anymore i want to see what happens.)

[AxleGreaser]

@Echo
@Thread.
In particular in terms of VCA. I am not seeing how this makes sense.
2500

Bearbert D

(5) -

firebringer

,

Davsto

, vedith, Fro99er, Sakura Hana
+

2 more scum

That to me seems to contra-indicate the validity of your VCA methodology.

Note I am working on guess of 5 scum 12 town.
reasoning:
mountainous (9 =

7

+

2

) (13 =

10

+

3

) (17=

13

+

4

)
becomes progressively less scum sided as the pairwise scum-scum in thread interactions go up. (1,3,6,10)
by the time you got to

16

+

5

, town would need hardly any power roles. Taking away a mislynch and giving us the lower utility of vig shots seems Ok.
perhaps more or less scum is plausible (with more or less PRs) I don't care. Planning to beat 5 scum is good place to start.

[AxleGreaser]

EBWOP That VC 4.9 is at 2600

[AxleGreaser]

is also good because Frogger voted for scum.

You are reaching an stretching

Scum distance.

That vote is NOT at time that mattered. 1.10 (what worries me is that both you and Fro99er know that)

TN was under no risk.
Fro99er was all smoke and no fire with regard his read on TN

It appeared in puff of wishy washy

actually, you know what. I have no reason to town read tn. Just felt like it in heat of the moment.

and you just called that a good vote BTW.... :\

That vote Flipped to you a mere 21mins later.
back to TN again with no real reason or strength 272. There was no danger anyone was sheeping that.

Then mere 1.5 hrs after your good vote because he voted scum...
he is voting me with pile of SHOUTY MAN.

and remember how Fro99er was "defending" me and my first post.
he was already telegraphing the eventual read.

Alright, I feel good at least one scum is in Banana, Spiffeh, tn, or Axle

There was no reasoning for adding me to that list at all.

[AxleGreaser]

powerful PR for scum

Well lets be specific.

If there are 4 scum we get 4 mislynches. Plus two vig kills, plus flower vendor and mason that mod confirm players.
Given the Vig taking out unreadbale players, and some of the mod confirmed role perhaps taking out more mislynches.

4 scum seems more than a tad light and quite town biased to me.

So what does scum having a doc actually buy them. Well if as happened they luck out and block a vig shot they get to fake claim a PR.

So a doc will sometimes buy back part of a vig shot. So it is thus less power full than one of the two shots the vig has.
Reducing the Vig utility from takes out the trash with chance of shooting scum, to takes out the trash with bit smaller chance of killing scum.
Not all that powerful at all really.

[AxleGreaser]

Hi, (THis BTW means, Hi, its conversational. It usually means you may misinterpret what I say next please dont, on this occaion I am going to repeat it just to be sure.)

Hi,

You post contains pile of bollocks.

For my reasoning on Bearbert scum, I don't think that the main wagon is all town here. Do you?

Ok so yes i know its thing to assume wagons have at least some scum on them.
Here is quote froma cum PT "It would be absolutely epic if we could get an all town lynch of XXXXXX. Currently she's at L-3, with none of us voting her."
If you get that then scum can milk it later for mislynches. That can get you in trouble if your position of the wagon is not natural or is as result of TMI.

So yeah at the time Felt all the votes that wagon accumulated felt right and had towny intent. The then pisskop vote was made here 427 we are not even really much out of RVS at that time.
And your theory is that the presence of one scum on that wagon meant that there was tendency for the others not to get on some lame push that was made for no real reason except to make push on not much at all?

As mentioned previously more than once....

That particular wagon went very fast 4501:46 Sakura 4582:15 Spiffeh 460 2:44 all happened in under an hour.
Who was there to even have chance to vote was pretty random.

I personally often dont vote such wagons but hunt where I choose, as I have better usually things to do than random pressure. But after spiffeh i considered should I vote that wagon or not. I thought that as towny I need to really believe it to put yet another vote on it.
Shiro voted next, then Banana, why them? They had get out jail free town PMs that could afford the risk of pushy highly iffy wagons.

I have no expectation or reason to believe there is any better than random RVS vote chance that Pisskop was scum voting a towny and then got caught under a flash wagon.

You dont have any reason either.

[AxleGreaser]

FTR, Echo Echo is now a town read for me,

Why?

[AxleGreaser]

Here is quote froma cum PT "It would be absolutely epic if we could get an all town lynch of XXXXXX. Currently she's at L-3, with none of us voting her."

Full disclosure, this was me in BEES saying that. Axle thinks I'm doing that here too.

Yeah i was leaving that out on purpose. As the parallel is not something i am leveraging. I merely mean to demonstrate scum do it and it is the only example i remember.

That the timing of the votes was also very fast, means that claiming that the absence of scum in the 3 rapid fire votes means they are not there BECAUSE there was already one scum on the wagon

is bollocks.

Who was on the wagon is much more aligned with who happened to be around at the time. As they were reflex votes I actually weighted the three fast votes as towny before I saw any flips.

[AxleGreaser]

Also sorry about that fro99er I thought you'd realise that if I had xxxxx out the stuff then that was clear intent not to identify which game.

[AxleGreaser]

and three masons

As you have flat out said it.
Ricastle are you confirming that there are 3 masons ? (you banana(flipped) + 1 unamed more.)

[AxleGreaser]

or is that mixup as 2745 left of the flower vendor which is also pretty much mod confirmable town.

[AxleGreaser]

Why the fuck are you guys

who?

[AxleGreaser]

Fro99er, echo echo and davsto. But davsto is mainly coasting on the others

So as I think both Frogger and Davsto are scum what reason do you guess I would have for them doing something?

So there I solved 2 out of three of your problems.

[AxleGreaser]

Fro99er is town. I think. I liked the way he went for Firebringer immediatly after lynching tn. Don't think that's scum.

Did you examine how much actual reasoning there was for that read/vote.
And if you liked the reasoning he gave please explain to me why you like it.


Then explain why this is then a good reason to stop voting the read.

VOTE: Flubber


I can confirm Shiro as town. Frogger is town, and Im willing to give Fire a day.

This is fair.

VOTE: Flubber

Flubber and Fire were my lynchpool for today anyway.

[AxleGreaser]

Fro99er, echo echo and davsto. But davsto is mainly coasting on the others

So as I think both Frogger and Davsto are scum what reason do you guess I would have for them doing something?

So there I solved 2 out of three of your problems.

If you think that, vote Davsto with me

I think fro99er is even more likely to be scum

[AxleGreaser]

Yeah it looks bad and that is the reason you gave to town read him?

Please explain why you town read him again?

[AxleGreaser]

BTW best guess at scum team is Frogger, Shzam Davsto.
Next Most likely: Frogger Shazam Bearbert (YEAH I see the great big BUS of bear in the VC. Desperate times desperate measures)
Next Most likely: Frogger Davsto Bearbert
Next Most likely: Frogger One of them(Shazam/Davsto/BearBert) and some nutty Dark horse from the rest.

Next patterns leaving out Fro99er.
Blah blah

[AxleGreaser]

But why not lynch Davsto today and think about frogger tomorrow.

Oh boy...lining up lynches...even on someone you are now suddenly townreading (me)

hey but I got 3 lynches lined up.

All aboard the Axle winning triple lynch train.

[AxleGreaser]

Who is your scum team when I flip town?

See 2865?

[AxleGreaser]

Yeah it looks bad and that is the reason you gave to town read him?

Please explain why you town read him again?

No, I gave the way he went after firebringer hard imediatly after lynching tn.

but he DID NOT go after him.

He posted a rather lame push on him then jumped right off again.

[AxleGreaser]

@Fro99er

You say

After this I'm not speaking to you anymore. I'm tired of you derailing town with your pestering of me.

Axle is derailing town.

If the scum are not in Fro99er Shazam Davsto BearBert

AKA I probably have all the scum in pool small enough we can just lynch them all.

Where and who is scum.

and what have you been doing about that?

[AxleGreaser]

Ok. That's not my recollection, but I'll reread

which was why I .... said this to you.

Did you examine how much actual reasoning there was for that read/vote.
And if you liked the reasoning he gave please explain to me why you like it.

GAK MANY MOAR table Flips

[AxleGreaser]

For fucks sake I just gave a full reads list.

Its 4:30 am here gimme a break.

[AxleGreaser]

Calm down Axle,

You overlooked the two ponies.

[AxleGreaser]

Bearbert
Shazam
ika
Davsto

I was kinda surprised by the ika scum read as i had overlooked that you had an ika scum read, in that list.
and as you are even dubious about Davsto (who you only call prob town and not quite a scum read)(which means we only agree on one read Shazam)

I also asked

and what have you been doing about that?

and when i look

I dont really see how your ika read developed, or what you have done about it.
You dont even look like you are talking to scum read.

Ika come vote with me

Whatever ika. I don't care if I'm voted 90% of the time.

This time I'm annoyed because Ricastle and Axle both know this isn't my scum meta, so I'm extra annoyed.

[AxleGreaser]

and you need to start thinking about other possibilities in case you are wrong (which you are).

you apparently have no clue how i play mafia.

Next patterns leaving out Fro99er.
Blah blah

See the blah blah...
yeah i have thought hose through.
I used to think about Sala being a scum Vig and Scum having less than par numbers but extra kills and sala got so excitied to try out gambitng as town Vig.
One of my sigs in No theory to absurd to be considered. Its not funny.

[AxleGreaser]

poorly

Nice quote out of context.

[AxleGreaser]

Nice AtE

It's going to be so great laughing at you post game for your idiotic tunnel of me.

There are reasons I scum read you
and
but its that i cant PoE you because you started being deliberately non transparent.
Thus i can get the data to overule my scum read.

because all you hear is wind. 2577 (and the other times you dodged, instead of answering)

While you are busy riding this AtE horse
while claiming (self meta) it is you town play.
yet also claiming i am bad.

Spoiler: AtE

If this is town:"good" at mafia I am glad i am bad and plan to stay that way.

VOTE: Fire

I'm so ready for this game to be over.

FlashLynch me tomorrow

FlashLynch Shazam the day after

Why done we just lynch me now?

Any cop out there should investigate me.

I assume Ricastle is the NK since scum won't kill me and they won't kill Hana, bearbert, or Shazam (who is prob scum), to ensure my lynch

So you're omgus'img. Cool.
You're town, just crappy town like me

cause when you were scum in that other game you were competent.

You see axle...this is why I'm not scum here. I've been an incompetent boob all game

VOTE: Fro99er

Total policy and you should all sheep me

[AxleGreaser]

thanks

No problem, I appreciate quality work.

[AxleGreaser]

Unofficial votecount.

Fro99er (3) - AxleGreaser, Ricastle, Shazam
Bearbert D (3) - Davsto, Echo Echo, Fro99er

Davsto (1) - Bearbert D
Shazam (1) - ika

Not voting (2) - Sakura Hana, Spiffeh

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

So notionally assuming BearBert would consolidate for survival at some point, one more vote on Fro99er and Ika may hammer.
or two more votes on BearBert and ika may hammer.

[AxleGreaser]

I see reason Fro99er is scum

Did you ever go back and find me how you read that push from Fro99er on Fire as being more than window dressing? 2876

because that you have not done that and yet you want me to vote Davsto... or failing that explain why not to you...

is a quite small reason not to.

[AxleGreaser]

you are approaching all of my stances from the viewpoint I am scum, and fitting that viewpoint to your interpretation of my posts.

You are reading what Post in the thread and assuming/claiming its the only thing I think.
and even if it was you'd be wrong or misleading.

Remember this post 327 That was at that time a town read.
At the time it had an unstated caveat. In that I thought it still possible you could be scum.

In the end however you wore out and broke all the belief that I had that you were town instead.

[AxleGreaser]

In the end however you wore out and broke all the belief that I had that you were town instead.

I know. I'm fine with that. I will enjoy laughing at you later.

"When you look into a still calm pool, it is not the pool that looks back.": Axle

[AxleGreaser]

anyway, I think ika wanted that VC because he was ready to hammer me.

ika was born ready.

[AxleGreaser]

anyway, I think ika wanted that VC because he was ready to hammer me.

what do you think about now made now the right time for your scum read to hammer?

[AxleGreaser]

I see reason Fro99er is scum

Did you ever go back and find me how you read that push from Fro99er on Fire as being more than window dressing? 2876

because that you have not done that and yet you want me to vote Davsto... or failing that explain why not to you...

is a quite small reason not to.

Will do at some point before lynch.

and thus you wont be working towards getting me on your currently preferred wagon until then
seems like sub optimal timing to me.

Indeed that I am going to bed now, and you may not get chance to talk to me about it for quite some.
Not doing it when you had the chance appears it may have missed the boat.

[AxleGreaser]

what do you think about now, made now, the right time for your scum read to hammer?

Is this English?

possibly. (try it with commas?)(di they help i cant tell ) (i pause between all the words at this time of night.)

You scum read ika.
You think ika decided to hammer now.

I thought that seeing as you scum read him
and that, claiming to be town, you would like other people to scum read him as well
then you might, you know, explain what his scum motive was ?

[AxleGreaser]

@AxleGreaser - what is your opinion on Bearbert?

BTW best guess at scum team is Frogger, Shzam Davsto.
Next Most likely: Frogger Shazam Bearbert (YEAH I see the great big BUS of bear in the VC. Desperate times desperate measures)
Next Most likely: Frogger Davsto Bearbert
Next Most likely: Frogger One of them(Shazam/Davsto/BearBert) and some nutty Dark horse from the rest.

Next patterns leaving out Fro99er.
Blah blah

When i am awake tomorrow I will reread stuff.
I will start by assuming Slaadar is scum and read until i find evidence hes not, and then go from there. Ok.
I have done that a couple of times and I keep getting the same answer so I wouldnt bet on much changing more than spot in the order though.

Well this is a nice happy game with no toxicity at all.

We had ponies.
3 that I remember.

PEdit: That is Ok I promise I will act like it never happened at all.

[AxleGreaser]

sakura im voign him cus hes not int he said town block sal created.

im working off that. i think it would be easier if you did the same

Id also advocate using your brains.

[AxleGreaser]

I will start by assuming Slaadar is scum and read until i find evidence hes not, and then go from there. Ok.

Slaandar flipped town

As I said it wont take long i will work out Slaandar is town when i read the flip in post 0
Yeah it silly and over the top but I find it helps me start actually fresh.

I'd be happier lynching Fro99er but Shazam is damn fine lynch for today.
Davsto, and BearBert are currently a closer call for me.

[AxleGreaser]

@Shazam

@Shazam
You have thought Fro99er was scum for a while now.
Who besides Davsto (aka anyone but Davsto) do you think is also scum?
Why?

Sakura Hana. See my iso #26-32. Other than that, you're probably the next on the list for me, for reasons I've explained.

So apparently when you said this, you had not actually readjusted any of your thinking based on yesterdays flips or play.
And even when i asked you about your reads...
you just referred me back to your previous position and did not think about updating it?

That rather somewhat, a lot, looks like you are not scum hunting nor currently thinking about solving the game.

@Axle
You're right, Sakura's not scum with this scumbag. His self-vote didn't deflect much suspicion, so he removed it. The above was a clear confirmation-biased attempt to find anything he could to connect me to tn and Fire. Classic OMGUS flailing.

So...

@Shazam

You have thought Fro99er was scum for a while now.

Based on all the information up to now.

Who besides Davsto (aka anyone but Davsto) do you think is also scum

?

Why

?[/size]

[AxleGreaser]

I don't know. After reading that case, I'm not convinced I latched onto something correct...

Scum.

Have day chat.

[AxleGreaser]

Your grammar makes it difficult to understand your message, but from what I can tell, your only disagreement with my VCA is that "Frogger could still be scum despite all of that". That's fine and all, but burden of proof is for you to prove that he is scum, and not "Yeah, that makes him towny, but he could still be scum!" or "He might also be bussing!". That's just inglorious handwaving of my analysis because your complaints can be directed at just about any player in the game.

Your point about BearBert being the scum on the IaI wagon is false.

For my reasoning on Bearbert scum, I don't think that the main wagon is all town here. Do you?

TLDR: yes i think it is very plausible they are all town.
There is tendency for more scum not to get on that wagon, if there is already one scum on it even if the original scum got on in RVS (as piss/bear did).
HOWEVER

As i analysed the wagon each of the next rapid fire votes, only ever had random chance to be anyone as they all happened so fast. Thus I do not think that even if Piss is scum that scum chose not to get on the wagon. I think who got the wagon fast, was whoever happened to be online and looking. AKA random. Thus even if everyone one on the IaI wagon flips town except Piss that is still no evidence at all about Piss.
As who else is on that particular wagon is quite random sample of people.

Your reason for scum read BearBert from his vote on IaI is incorrect.

That is what my post described. (or tried to)

[AxleGreaser]

Therefore, my conclusion stands, and I'm not about to lynch Frogger unless Bearbert flips town or there is a guilty on him.

I had not addressed your Fro99er points at all yet.

You say of vote 1.10(402)

is also good because Frogger voted for scum.(tn)

Rubbish it is not good, that was still basically an RVS post/Vote. I was still RVS voting Slaandar at that time. That is a great time to put in some distancing.
The reason for that vote was...

actually, you know what. I have no reason to town read tn. Just felt like it in heat of the moment.

VOTE: tn5421[/v]

Go on tell me that vote with that reason is worth towny points to you. That is wishy washy (small) scum points.

You indicate that VC(1.7 1.8)(250 306) looks too heavy (2 scum votes on frogger). So yes
Scum bear does give us a lean town on Frog AND
scum frog does g ive us a lean town on Bear.

(there is a reason my BEST scum team is Frog Shaz Davsto, one small part of that is less such contradindications.)
This point DOES NOT indicate town frog. It is a non directional associative tell that it is slightly more likely only one of them is scum.

You claim VC 3.8(2089) shows Bearbert to be scum.
The alternate wagon as such is on scum. If Fro99er and Davsto are scum that is plenty of scum on the wagon.

You say "Frogger could be scum, but if bearbert is scum then Frogger is not likely to be scum."
and the associative tell from 1.7 1.8 does actually mean
I say "Frogger could be scum, but if bearbert is scum then Frogger is less likely to be scum."
AND
I say "BearBert could be scum, but if Frogger is scum then Bearbert is less likely to be scum."

TLDR:

Your one valid point is that VC 1.7 1.8 tends to indicate that Frog and bear

cant

are less likely to be scum together.

[AxleGreaser]

In case people missed it Hre are the VCs Echo provided earlier with Fr99er, Davsto, and Shazam coloured in abit so we can look to see if there are any VC problems with it.

Spoiler: Votecounts with Ricastle conftown + Axles 3 scum reads

votecount 1.1

AxleGreaser (2) - Spiffeh, Fro

99

er

shiro

(1) - Bearbert D

slandaar

(1) - AxleGreaser
Fro

99

er (1) -

firebringer

I am innocent

(1) -

Bananacucho

Echo Echo (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (12) - Sakura Hana,

Ricastle

,

vedith

,

tn5421

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

shiro

,

mariomaniac4

, Echo Echo, Da

vs

to

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.2

Bananacucho

(4) - Fro

99

er,

vedith

, Spiffeh, Bearbert D

AxleGreaser (2) - Sakura Hana,

tn5421

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

Fro

99

er (1) -

Bananacucho

Echo Echo (1) - Sh

az

am
Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

Not voting (8) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

, Echo Echo, Da

vs

to

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.3

Bananacucho

(4) - Fro

99

er,

vedith

, Spiffeh, Bearbert D

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

Fro

99

er (2) -

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana
Spiffeh (2) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am
AxleGreaser (1) -

tn5421

Not voting (8) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

, Echo Echo, Da

vs

to

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.4

Fro

99

er (4) -

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

tn5421

Spiffeh (3) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am, Echo Echo

Bananacucho

(2) -

vedith

, Spiffeh

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er

Not voting (7) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

, Da

vs

to

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.5

Fro

99

er (4) -

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

tn5421

Spiffeh (3) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am, Echo Echo

Bananacucho

(2) -

vedith

, Spiffeh

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er

Not voting (7) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

, Da

vs

to

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.6

Fro

99

er (4) -

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

tn5421

Spiffeh (2) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am

Bananacucho

(2) -

vedith

, Spiffeh

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to, Fro

99

er

firebringer

(1) - Echo Echo

Not voting (6) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.7

Fro

99

er (3) - Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

tn5421

Spiffeh (3) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am, Echo Echo

Bananacucho

(2) -

vedith

, Spiffeh

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to, Fro

99

er

Not voting (7) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

,

Bananacucho

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.8

Fro

99

er (2) - Bearbert D,

tn5421

Spiffeh (2) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

tn5421

(2) - Fro

99

er, Echo Echo

Bananacucho

(1) -

vedith

Echo Echo (1) - Da

vs

to
Sh

az

am (1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (8) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

,

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.9

Spiffeh (2) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

tn5421

(2) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh

Bananacucho

(1) -

vedith

Echo Echo (1) - Da

vs

to
AxleGreaser (1) - Fro

99

er

Not voting (10) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

,

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

tn5421

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.10

tn5421

(2) - Spiffeh, Fro

99

er
Spiffeh (2) -

firebringer

, Sh

az

am

slandaar

(2) - AxleGreaser,

shiro

Bananacucho

(1) -

vedith

Echo Echo (1) - Da

vs

to
AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo

Not voting (10) -

Ricastle

, Ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

,

slandaar

,

mariomaniac4

,

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

tn5421

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.11

I am innocent

(3) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

Da

vs

to (2) -

slandaar

, AxleGreaser

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

slandaar

(1) -

shiro

AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo
Echo Echo (1) - Da

vs

to

Ricastle

(1) -

I am innocent

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (7) - Ika,

flubbernugget

,

mariomaniac4

,

Bananacucho

, Sakura Hana,

tn5421

, Spiffeh

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.12

I am innocent

(5) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh

Da

vs

to (2) -

slandaar

, AxleGreaser

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

slandaar

(1) -

shiro

AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo
Echo Echo (1) - Da

vs

to

Ricastle

(1) -

I am innocent

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

vedith

(1) -

mariomaniac4

Not voting (4) - Ika,

flubbernugget

,

Bananacucho

,

tn5421

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.13

I am innocent

(7) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh,

shiro

,

Bananacucho

Da

vs

to (2) -

slandaar

, AxleGreaser
Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo

Ricastle

(1) -

I am innocent

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

vedith

(1) -

mariomaniac4

Not voting (2) - Ika,

tn5421

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.14

I am innocent

(7) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh,

shiro

,

Bananacucho

Da

vs

to (2) -

slandaar

, AxleGreaser
Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

vedith

(2) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo

Ricastle

(1) -

I am innocent

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.15

I am innocent

(6) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh,

shiro

Spiffeh (3) -

firebringer

,

I am innocent

,

Bananacucho

Da

vs

to (2) -

slandaar

, AxleGreaser
Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

vedith

(2) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo
Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.16

I am innocent

(6) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh,

shiro

Spiffeh (3) -

firebringer

,

I am innocent

,

Bananacucho

Da

vs

to (2) -

slandaar

, AxleGreaser
Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

vedith

(2) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo
Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.17

I am innocent

(5) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

,

shiro

, AxleGreaser

Da

vs

to (4) -

slandaar

,

Bananacucho

, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana

vedith

(3) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

,

I am innocent

Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

mariomaniac4

(1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.18

Da

vs

to (5) -

slandaar

,

Bananacucho

, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana,

vedith

I am innocent

(4) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

shiro

, AxleGreaser

vedith

(3) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

,

I am innocent

Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

mariomaniac4

(1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.19

Da

vs

to (5) -

slandaar

,

Bananacucho

, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana,

vedith

I am innocent

(4) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

shiro

, AxleGreaser

vedith

(3) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

,

I am innocent

Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

tn5421

(1) - Fro

99

er
Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

mariomaniac4

(1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.20

Da

vs

to (6) -

slandaar

,

Bananacucho

, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana,

vedith

, Fro

99

er

I am innocent

(4) -

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

shiro

, AxleGreaser

vedith

(3) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

,

I am innocent

Echo Echo (2) - Da

vs

to,

flubbernugget

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

mariomaniac4

(1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (1) - Ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.21

Da

vs

to (7) -

Bananacucho

, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana,

vedith

, Fro

99

er,

I am innocent

, Bearbert D

vedith

(2) -

mariomaniac4

,

tn5421

mariomaniac4

(2) - Spiffeh, Da

vs

to
Echo Echo (1) -

flubbernugget

I am innocent

(1) - AxleGreaser
Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am

Not voting (4) - Ika,

shiro

,

slandaar

,

Ricastle

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.22

mariomaniac4

(8) - Da

vs

to,

slandaar

,

shiro

, Sakura Hana,

Bananacucho

,

tn5421

, Sh

az

am,

vedith

Da

vs

to (4) - Echo Echo, Fro

99

er,

I am innocent

, Bearbert D

I am innocent

(2) - AxleGreaser,

flubbernugget

vedith

(1) -

mariomaniac4

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

shiro

(1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (2) - Ika, Spiffeh

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.23

mariomaniac4

(7) - Da

vs

to,

slandaar

,

shiro

, Sakura Hana,

Bananacucho

, Sh

az

am,

vedith

Da

vs

to (5) - Echo Echo, Fro

99

er,

I am innocent

, Bearbert D,

mariomaniac4

I am innocent

(2) - AxleGreaser,

flubbernugget

vedith

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

shiro

(1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (2) - Ika, Spiffeh

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.24

mariomaniac4

(8) - Da

vs

to,

slandaar

,

shiro

, Sakura Hana,

Bananacucho

, Sh

az

am,

vedith

,

Ricastle

Da

vs

to (5) - Echo Echo, Fro

99

er,

I am innocent

, Bearbert D,

mariomaniac4

I am innocent

(2) - AxleGreaser,

flubbernugget

vedith

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

Not voting (2) - ika, Spiffeh

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 1.25 (final)

mariomaniac4

(10) - Da

vs

to,

slandaar

,

shiro

, Sakura Hana,

Bananacucho

, Sh

az

am,

vedith

,

Ricastle

, Spiffeh, Bearbert D

Da

vs

to (4) - Echo Echo, Fro

99

er,

I am innocent

,

mariomaniac4

I am innocent

(2) - AxleGreaser,

flubbernugget

vedith

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

firebringer

Not voting (1) - ika

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

[/ ]

votecount 2.0

Not voting (16) - Bearbert D, Sakura Hana,

Ricastle

,

vedith

, AxleGreaser,

tn5421

, Spiffeh, ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er,

shiro

, Echo Echo,

firebringer

, Da

vs

to

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

[/ ]

feck

votecount 2.1

I am innocent

(3) - Sakura Hana, AxleGreaser, Da

vs

to

shiro

(1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (12) - Bearbert D,

vedith

,

tn5421

, Spiffeh, ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er,

shiro

, Echo Echo,

firebringer

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

[/ ]

votecount 2.2

I am innocent

(3) - Sakura Hana, AxleGreaser, Da

vs

to

shiro

(1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (12) - Bearbert D,

vedith

,

tn5421

, Spiffeh, ika,

I am innocent

,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er,

shiro

, Echo Echo,

firebringer

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

[/ ]

Mod V/LA through end of Monday

Noted.

[/ ]

votecount 2.3

I am innocent

(4) - Sakura Hana, AxleGreaser, Da

vs

to,

tn5421

shiro

(1) -

Ricastle

Spiffeh (1) -

I am innocent

firebringer

(1) -

vedith

Da

vs

to (1) - Bearbert D

Not voting (8) - Spiffeh, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er,

shiro

, Echo Echo,

firebringer

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7.[/ ]

@mod V/LA the 7th and maybe the 8th.

Noted.

[/ ]

votecount 2.4

tn5421

(7) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh,

vedith

, Da

vs

to, Sh

az

am,

Ricastle

, Sakura Hana

Da

vs

to (2) - Bearbert D, AxleGreaser

I am innocent

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

I am innocent

Not voting (5) - ika,

flubbernugget

, Fro

99

er,

firebringer

,

shiro

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 2.5

tn5421

(7) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh,

vedith

, Da

vs

to, Sh

az

am,

Ricastle

, Sakura Hana

Da

vs

to (2) - Bearbert D, AxleGreaser

I am innocent

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

I am innocent

flubbernugget

(1) -

shiro

Not voting (4) - ika,

flubbernugget

, Fro

99

er,

firebringer

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 2.6

tn5421

(8) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh,

vedith

, Da

vs

to, Sh

az

am,

Ricastle

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D

Da

vs

to (1) - AxleGreaser

I am innocent

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

I am innocent

flubbernugget

(1) -

shiro

Not voting (4) - ika,

flubbernugget

, Fro

99

er,

firebringer

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 2.7 (final)

tn5421

(9) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh,

vedith

, Da

vs

to, Sh

az

am,

Ricastle

, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D, ika

Da

vs

to (1) - AxleGreaser

I am innocent

(1) -

tn5421

Spiffeh (1) -

I am innocent

flubbernugget

(1) -

shiro

Not voting (3) -

flubbernugget

, Fro

99

er,

firebringer

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 3.0

Not voting (14) - Bearbert D, Sakura Hana,

Ricastle

,

vedith

, AxleGreaser, Spiffeh, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er,

shiro

, Echo Echo,

firebringer

, Da

vs

to

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 3.1

firebringer

(1) - Fro

99

er

flubbernugget

(1) - Echo Echo

Not voting (12) - Bearbert D, Sakura Hana,

Ricastle

,

vedith

, AxleGreaser, Spiffeh, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am,

shiro

,

firebringer

, Da

vs

to

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 3.2

flubbernugget

(4) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana, Fro

99

er

firebringer

(1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (9) - Bearbert D,

Ricastle

, AxleGreaser, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am,

shiro

,

firebringer

, Da

vs

to

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Fro

99

er is V/LA until September 7. Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 3.3

flubbernugget

(5) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana,

shiro

, Fro

99

er

Not voting (9) - Bearbert D,

Ricastle

, AxleGreaser, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am,

firebringer

, Da

vs

to, Spiffeh

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8.[/ ]

votecount 3.4

flubbernugget

(6) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana,

shiro

, Fro

99

er, AxleGreaser

firebringer

(1) -

Ricastle

vedith

(1) -

firebringer

Not voting (6) - Bearbert D, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Da

vs

to, Spiffeh

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sh

az

am is V/LA from September 7 to September 8. Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 3.5

flubbernugget

(5) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana,

shiro

, Fro

99

er

firebringer

(1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (8) - Bearbert D, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Da

vs

to, Spiffeh,

firebringer

, AxleGreaser

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 3.6

flubbernugget

(6) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana,

shiro

, Fro

99

er, Da

vs

to

firebringer

(2) -

Ricastle

, AxleGreaser

Not voting (6) - Bearbert D, ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Spiffeh,

firebringer

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 3.7

flubbernugget

(7) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana,

shiro

, Fro

99

er, Da

vs

to, Bearbert D

firebringer

(2) -

Ricastle

, AxleGreaser

Not voting (5) - ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am, Spiffeh,

firebringer

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 3.8 (final)

flubbernugget

(8) - Echo Echo,

vedith

, Sakura Hana,

shiro

, Fro

99

er, Da

vs

to, Bearbert D, Spiffeh

firebringer

(2) -

Ricastle

, AxleGreaser

Not voting (4) - ika,

flubbernugget

, Sh

az

am,

firebringer

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is September 12, 20:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-12 20:30:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.0

Not voting (12) - Bearbert D, Sakura Hana,

Ricastle

,

vedith

, AxleGreaser, Spiffeh, ika, Sh

az

am, Fro

99

er, Echo Echo,

firebringer

, Da

vs

to

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.1

firebringer

(4) - Sh

az

am, AxleGreaser, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D

Bearbert D (1) -

firebringer

Not voting (7) -

Ricastle

,

vedith

, Spiffeh, ika, Fro

99

er, Echo Echo, Da

vs

to

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.2

Bearbert D (4) -

firebringer

, Echo Echo, AxleGreaser, Fro

99

er

firebringer

(4) - Sh

az

am, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D,

vedith

Fro

99

er (1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (3) - Spiffeh, ika, Da

vs

to

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.3

Bearbert D (6) -

firebringer

, Echo Echo, AxleGreaser, Fro

99

er,

vedith

, Bearbert D

firebringer

(2) - Sh

az

am, Sakura Hana
Fro

99

er (1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (3) - Spiffeh, ika, Da

vs

to

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.4

Bearbert D (4) -

firebringer

, AxleGreaser,

vedith

, Da

vs

to

Da

vs

to (2) - Bearbert D, Echo Echo

firebringer

(2) - Sh

az

am, Sakura Hana
Fro

99

er (1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (3) - Spiffeh, ika, Fro

99

er

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.5

Bearbert D (5) -

firebringer

, AxleGreaser,

vedith

, Da

vs

to, Fro

99

er

Da

vs

to (2) - Bearbert D, Echo Echo

firebringer

(2) - Sh

az

am, Sakura Hana
Fro

99

er (1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (2) - Spiffeh, ika

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

Sakura Hana is V/LA until September 11.[/ ]

votecount 4.6

Fro

99

er (2) - Sh

az

am, AxleGreaser
Bearbert D (2) -

firebringer

, Da

vs

to
Da

vs

to (2) - Bearbert D, Echo Echo
AxleGreaser (2) -

vedith

, Fro

99

er

firebringer

(1) - Sakura Hana
Sh

az

am (1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (2) - Spiffeh, ika

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

[/ ]

votecount 4.7

Bearbert D (5) -

firebringer

, Da

vs

to,

vedith

, Fro

99

er, Sakura Hana

Fro

99

er (2) - Sh

az

am, AxleGreaser
Da

vs

to (2) - Bearbert D, Echo Echo
Sh

az

am (1) -

Ricastle

Not voting (2) - Spiffeh, ika

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

[/ ]

votecount 4.8

Bearbert D (3) -

firebringer

, Da

vs

to, Fro

99

er

Fro

99

er (2) - Sh

az

am, AxleGreaser
Da

vs

to (1) - Echo Echo
Sh

az

am (1) -

Ricastle

firebringer

(1) - Sakura Hana

Not voting (4) - Spiffeh, ika, Bearbert D,

vedith

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

[/ ]

votecount 4.9

Bearbert D (3) -

firebringer

, Da

vs

to, Fro

99

er

Fro

99

er (2) - Sh

az

am, AxleGreaser
Da

vs

to (1) - Echo Echo
Sh

az

am (1) -

Ricastle

firebringer

(1) - Sakura Hana

Not voting (4) - Spiffeh, ika, Bearbert D,

vedith

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

[/ ]

votecount 4.10 (final)

firebringer

(7) - Sakura Hana, AxleGreaser, Da

vs

to,

Ricastle

, Bearbert D,

vedith

, Fro

99

er

Bearbert D (1) -

firebringer

Fro

99

er (1) - Sh

az

am
Da

vs

to (1) - Echo Echo

Not voting (2) - Spiffeh, ika

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 15, 20:20 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-15 20:20:00).

[/ ]

The TLDR is not there are not.
All the wagons even the all town wagon on IaI makes sense for the reasons have previously and or recently stated.

As previously argued I believe there are 5 scum, or we ought seriously allow for that as possibility.

VCA Problems woith 3 man scum team of Bearbert Shazam Davsto

Spoiler: The pronblems with Bear Bert Shazam Davsto

VC 1.25(1297) has 3 scum with one of them hammering Mario.
VC 2.6(1700) has Bearbert putting TN at L-1 with 3 scum on the wagon
VC 3.7 3.8 has the same clustering issue that Fr009er as scum has.
VC 4.1 and 4.2 work better with Fr099er as scum rather than BearBert
VC 4.5 with BearBert,Dav,Shaz as scum make scum VERY bus happy.
If BearBert,Shaz,Dav is scum it goes on being a very bus happy day.

So I either need a convincing case you know there are not 5 scum, or a good reason we should not be looking for cluster of 3 possible scum.
That will at least mean any of the 3 pairs could be the last two scum if there are only two.

[AxleGreaser]

@Sakura

Why were you sheeping your red checked track here

VC 4.7 2514
Bearbert D (5) -

firebringer

, Davsto, vedith, Fro99er, Sakura Hana(tracker with track on Fire)

[AxleGreaser]

EBWOP to 3079

The TLDR is not there are not.

The

TLDR

is:- No there are not (any significant VCA problems with Fro99er/Shzam/Davsto).

[AxleGreaser]

@Ricastle
How many scum do you think there are still alive?
I think 3.

@Thread FYI:
I claim that the (possible) scum slip fire made

I still don’t think

both

scum bussed though so maybe its null.

means that the 2.7 VC 1828

tn5421 (9) - Echo Echo, Spiffeh, vedith,

Davsto, Shazam

, Ricastle, Sakura Hana, Bearbert D, ika

has two scum on it. (thinking of

both

the scum on the wagon)
Not that there were only two scum remaining alive. (thinking of

both

the scum that are alive)

@Ricastle but even if you think it means

both

the scum alive which are the two scum bussing in in VC 2.7
(I think its Davsto + Shazam, you think its bear + ???)

and (depending on who you choose) what then explains scum bussing so hard? in

Shazam VC 4.2 2221 Shazam and bear voting fire while fire votes bear.
or if its Davsto
Davsto VC 4.4 Fire &Dav voting bear while bar votes davsto.

If there really were only 3 scum left (Fire + bear + ???)

Why were they bussing so much?

[AxleGreaser]

Scum me risked getting lynched(which now looks like it'll happen).

Oh, so you're stating that as a fact, eh?

Time to die, bucko.

Lol

Hi,
I think your filter(+ parts of pisskops) is scummy enough that I could hammer it to the wall with a boot nail.
However I think the other 3(Fro99er,Shazam,Davsto) are the ones with scum PMs.

However
Providing all my town reads are right we can actually just afford to lynch you irrespective of your alignment. From my point of view that is suboptimal. It seems like it should be from yours too.

If you are town, Now would be good time to find out how well you can play as town.
Re: putting things off 2918
Caution

"You do not have to say anything. But if you do not mention now something which you later use in your defense, the court may decide that your failure to mention it now strengthens the case against you. A record will be made of anything you say and it may be given in evidence if you are brought to trial."

I kinda wish I didn't take playing to win con so seriously because then I could just roll over and let you four get lynched in any order anyone else likes.

[AxleGreaser]

And I also think it's quite possible that Fire was telling the truth about how both the remaining scum didn't bus tn.

hey thats weird.
I don't know why I always assumed that part of it was a lie. I took, him saying he didn't think both bussed, somehow inside my head meant they there were two scum bussing (both) (he slipped there were two bussing) but he is planning on going with the lie that there was only one.

I will have to go see if that makes a difference to me. I suspect not as my reading the thread reads, fit the VCA and (possible)slip and are not derived from those sources.

[AxleGreaser]

I remember him pushing tn a lot.

and earlier you said

No, I gave the way he

went after firebringer hard

imediatly after lynching tn.

Ok. That's not my recollection, but I'll reread

and just recently when you reread (after some resistance to just that) you conclude

Well, I've reread the thing you've asked me to and

I agree frogger acted quite weird about firebringer.

So no your earlier recollection and claim about where Fro99er went after FireBringer straight tn was lynched was not how it happened

so how about this time you go back and be quite specific
Show me this happening

I remember him pushing tn a lot.

In 3087 I mention that thing about what you dont mention in the first place doesnt look as good if it takes until later for you to say it.
You having one impression of Fro99er based on your own reading, then being relctant to go read it again ,then rereading and saying oh yeah thats like what i said at all,
but you now are doubling down with more vague no specific statements such as

I remember him pushing tn a lot.

What would you expect people to conclude, if when you reread, you cant justify that recollection either?

[AxleGreaser]

I'd actually prefer a Dav lynch over a Bear one now after his really scummy play this day but I am willing to compromise.

Then come compromise!

Given peoples stated position town is going to have to compromise to be able swing a majority, probably even if some scum bus.

[AxleGreaser]

Bugger EBWOP Missed a NOT

You having one impression of Fro99er based on your own reading, then being reluctant to go read it again ,then rereading and saying oh yeah thats

NOT

like what i said at all,

[AxleGreaser]

Axle: I think there's 2 left, yes

Please explain how when 17(

13

+

4

) is the standard number of lynches.

We get a 2 shot Vig, and 19(17+2) people so they dont cost mislynches. +4 basically modconfirmable roles(3 masons + fruit), some kind of JOAT, Those modconfirmable people mean scum get very little chance to fear kill, where are scum meant to find 5 mislynches, with modconfirmed and vig shots thinning the ranks. (6 claimable PRs)

[AxleGreaser]

This is what I'd personally call pushing hard for somebody on D1. If you read that post, my recollection there is not faulty. I'm more amazed that frogget wasn't actually on tn's wagon after all this when tn actually got lynched

He was not playing at the time

So yes that is a big wall let me trim out just the relevant bits.

actually, you know what. I have no reason to town read tn.
VOTE: tn5421[/v]

This specifically downplays just how much he believes the read/vote. he basically states it is on a whim.
It is at that time quite early D1, most people had no good reason to town read most people. Slaandar hadnt posted yet.

This is horrible.
Lining up lynches, expecting scum to bus already when there's so many players that haven't even started playing, etc.
Just horrible

Again this is very weak point it was in no real sense lining up lynches.

FFS people. Axle could be scum, he could be town. I have no problem with an axle wagon if you all want to start one.

Anyway.

tn is probscum, aero maybe scum. Not sure. He's just looking for my contradictions (which we all know everyone contradicts themselves, scum and town...but he's just contradiction hunting, not scum hunting).

And yep this has chucked in negative comments about both TN and aero.
Fro99er says such stuff about people frequently.

VOTE: tn5421
I like this more.

This also is just a vote. No reasoning no commitment.

This is what I'd personally call pushing hard for somebody on D1. If you read that post, my recollection there is not faulty. I'm more amazed that frogget wasn't actually on tn's wagon after all this when tn actually got lynched

I find it hard to believe you mean what you say.

[AxleGreaser]

doesn't makr my point that he went after firebringer false.

You do understand that people who are scum have to pretend to go after one another.
Otherwise mafia would be as simple as looking whoever the flipped scum never said a negative thing about.

I suspect that with your definition of what "go after looks like" Fro99er cant be scum with anyone.
and Id be betting if you go find a scum game of Fro99ers he will have doene what you call go after, some of his scum buddies.
The trick for scum is to do it at time when it does not get them lynched, but does give you proof(plausibility) later that you "went after them"

Note in small 9 player games there are few enough interactions and time that you may not go after your scum buddies.

[AxleGreaser]

explain ho in any way what you have described as go after is not just distancing, and low risk distancing at that.

[AxleGreaser]

Well, I feel frogger hasn't given much reasoning to any suspicion. So the reasoning he gave for those reads is quite powerful from him imo. Compared to the other posts. For example, I don't see anywhere where he actually gives reasons for thinking I'm scum

That is an interesting point.
What about Fro99er not giving reasoning makes you feel comfortable he is town?
I know there are players that typically don't
Fro99ers first Newbie with me This was push link to a push by Frogger (or the start of one)(and is was a bullshit one made to test my reactions)(he said so in this game)
open 603 (in this game they smash scum, but check the clear tone of the posts) There none of this doing stuff just because hey why the heck not.

If you go find his scum game Bees it will be different to this one. Just like this is different to the town games. Thats not the point the point is he can make ral push with real reason but didn't and yo say hasn't.

Well, I feel frogger hasn't given much reasoning to any suspicion.

[AxleGreaser]

it says frogger looked like bussing tn.

It cant look like bussing if he making the push with no expectation it will go anywhere because he never puts any effort or reasoning into the push.