NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

[Ricastle]

V/LA until September 5th

In other words a substantially relevant portion of the game. Sue me, I thought there'd be internet here.

Coasting vote VOTE: AxleGreaser

[Ricastle]

Until I catch up, which should be tonight, I'll throw out a vote based on mr coasting vote in 409

vote ricastle

I'm fucking VLA. Screw you.

VOTE: I Am Innocent

[Ricastle]

Oh, yeah, Baymax & Piss are town ftr.

[Ricastle]

Dav why do I feel hostility from you when you talk to me?

Because scum are, on the whole, more paranoid and easier offended than town.

[Ricastle]

Until I catch up, which should be tonight, I'll throw out a vote based on mr coasting vote in 409

vote ricastle

I'm ****ing VLA. Screw you.

VOTE: I Am Innocent

Are you mad because I voted you while your on V/LA, or because you didn't like that I called it a coasting vote?

Both in unison. It is clear that I cannot currently contribute substantial content and you're implying that something which was planned months in advance that prevents me from getting on is somehow bad/alignment-indicative. It's annoying.

[Ricastle]

Up to P25. Will finish later and get a list out

UNVOTE IaI

although no doubt the wagon's dissolved by now anyway

[Ricastle]

Town has no problem making stances, but scum do.

BS

And yes this is all I have to contribute so far as this game is boring as hell to read. Still going though

[Ricastle]

votecount 1.18

Davsto (5) - Slandaar, BananaCucho, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana, Salamence20

I Am Innocent (4) - Ricastle, pisskop, Shiro, AxleGreaser
Salamence20 (3) - MarioManiac4, tn5421, I Am Innocent
Echo Echo (2) - Davsto, Flubbernugget

I feel like this says it all for me.

Slandaar, Banana, Sakura are town, Echo is prob town, Sala is prob town.

IAI is the scum counterwagon to a town wagon on Davsto. I hated the timing of Axle's jumping off Davsto onto IAI, right as the Davsto wagon picked up steam. Felt like scum having an early bus just to move off it later. I could be wrong, but I haven't felt super town about Axle all game, even though there were fleeting moments while I was drunk. Ricastle's on V/LA so no idea what to think of him, but his vote park while going on V/LA is :/ I haven't felt super town vibes from piss or Shiro, but i am assuming it's not all scum voting IAI here.

Not sure what to make of the Sala wagon, but the echo wagon basically confirms in my mind that Echo is prob town and Davsto is prob scum.

VOTE: Davsto

???

This post is completely ass-backwards. I didn't even notice the Davsto wagon existed until after IAI gathered 7 votes. Also Sala and Echo are certainly not probtown. They're actually my top two scumreads. Shiro is the scum on the IAI wagon there, if anyone.

Getting ready to vote Sala soon in fact. Let's see if these last 7 pages do anything to change that.

[Ricastle]

Why do you think that Salamence is town, fro99er?

I was actually scumreading Sala until the obvcrumbs. Hence my change in smiley faces in back to back posts. I'm still not sure, but I'll lean probtown for now.

Oh, right, crumbs. I often forget they exist honestly. Whatever. If they're obvious as you say then this reasoning is crap.

[Ricastle]

I really hate 913.

Is it because it was a sudden jab?

Axl BST is the British way of saying GMT +0

P.edit :Yea it was weird wasn't it? I tried to question how he went from will vote tn to being a rebel but he never came back to me

It could be coincidence, but it is quite a strong 'jab' at the leading wagon, when, at that point in the game there wasn't much interest in the Davsto wagon at all. It's like he knows who the leading wagon is and has made the attack to justify a vote on Davsto in a bit. (which now is made more complicated for him)

456 - I have read ISO
718 - townpoints for this (which I should have already read in 456!)

Quite the opposite, actually. I was implying that Sala was being paranoid and easily offended as I couldn't for the life of me see what hostility he was talking about.

[Ricastle]

Alright then, I'll go for someone else.

VOTE: Banana
Because that unvote was weird. Jumping off the (already falling apart) main wagon makes Spiffeh less scummy, and completely nullifies all your reads on him enough to change your vote?

Also, FoS at MarioManiac for the vote on Sala. It seems like an attempt to counterwagon but with an RVS feel so he can go "guys it was a joke".

Actually, fuckit, I think Mario is worse.
VOTE: MarioManiac

Pretty much confirms Davsto as town. And no, it's not just because he switched his vote in the same post which he made it, although that is a major factor.

Pedit: Lmao...THAT was the crumb? Dear me. Who gives a shit.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Shiro

I'm admittedly not entirely certain on Sala or Echo but this is probably scum regardless of whoever else is

[Ricastle]

@Piss They feel off. Also they had a stupid push on Mario & Spiffeh and their vote on IAI was immemorable, an area where I'm pretty sure at least one scum is located. It's bizarre how they were attacking Mario for ages yet they only joined his wagon after it had already built up, too.

[Ricastle]

Vote:Mario

Just for 1017 this deserves a vote

This comes off like you don't truly believe in the case you just built.

[Ricastle]

I mean he is blaming his inactivity on us, saying he didn't expect not to be allowed to post normaly. (after funnily saying he is a spammer )

Then he comes and says 5 posts in 2 days in a game with 5 days deadlines is fine. If that isn't bs then I don't know what is

Yeah, I'm pretty much the last person you should be preaching this to. From what I can see he appears to be in much a similar situation as I am, albeit not declaring VLA.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Mario

That was a bad move there.

[Ricastle]

I'm feeling uneasy about [post=#7194698]1186[/post], to be sure, but what's bad about that? Going on the basis that everyone considers themselves town, that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say. The thing I am worried about there is that Sakura, who is a clearly experienced player, should have understood that fine but instead opted to try and misrep it into a bad light.

By the way, if Mario flips scum, I'm confident in getting Echo next. He's completely disappeared since the Mario wagon started building.

[Ricastle]

How exactly was making a blatantly bad push on Davsto a reaction test?

[Ricastle]

LETSA GO
LETSA GO
WE'RE TAKING MARIOOOOOOOOOOO

MAN TO THE

GALLOOOOOOOOOOWS

AND IF HE FLIPS TOOOOOOOOOOOOWN

we are speedlynching shiro day 2

[Ricastle]

Well, that's interesting.

VOTE: Shiro

[Ricastle]

Axle vs IaI is most likely a mono-faction argument, leaning tvt. Neither one is answering the other's questions, so nobody's particularly in the right here.

Axle, I'm voting Shiro because their place and movement onto the Mario wagon is certainly the scummiest in my mind for the reasons I outlined before. The vast majority of their posts besides have been fluffy bullshit. Also 1314 is as good as explaining why they killed Slandaar.

By the way, how interesting 1354 and 1356 are...masking OMGUS with PoE, are we? Why did you feel obligated to respond to a question that couldn't be further from being directed to you? And how do you have the gall to claim there is no reason for my vote on you because of the Mario flip when a good portion of all the posts I made yesterday were attacking you for your attack on him?

And in case any of this is severely outdated, keep in mind I've just been ninjad about 10 times.

[Ricastle]

@Rica the question was directed to everyone

Also nah you reasons were weak and dumb. You never attacked me just voted me and passively said my voting reasons were stupid The rest was rehashing IAI "OOO bad wagon placement"

Tbh you most likely knew there was no way a wagon on me was going to form and parked there to be safe for the time being

Not really. It takes effort to construe it in that light.

1065 and 1069 are the two main posts I made against you and none of the content in either of them was summated by what you just said. That's pretty sloppy work on your part.

Pedit: And that, folks, is why there is a preview post button.

[Ricastle]

Sala, that's the most bullshit interpretation of my posts I've ever seen. You're not even trying to look at them correctly. By the way, it's rather common for me to completely reverse my voting direction over plurality influence as town.

Shiro, I don't care wether you call it a case or a hypothesis, it makes no difference. If anything, insisting it is the latter only goes towards certifying how you've pretty much done fuckall the entire game. Your pedantic differentiation was a piss-ass excuse before and it's a piss-ass excuse now. Now how about you tell me. What was the point of loudly pursuing this "hypothesis" if you did not intend to gain anything from it?

[Ricastle]

You're doing a great job, Sala. A great job.

[Ricastle]

Soo give me the correct interpratation cause that what they seem like and everyone seems to agree so as well apparently cause I do not see anyone following your vote.

And I was speaking my thoughts maybe ? I made a guess of a possible scenario and laid it out.

Also no not really a hypothesis is a guess to explain something based on little actual facts. An assumption more or less

A case is based on evidence and facts at least to some degree

There is a huge difference

Well for starters, it's ridiculous to call #2 OMGUS and use it as a point against me when he actually accepts my reasoning on the vote when I explain it later. It should be clear that #4 was a jab at Sala; I even clarify such later. By 'this reasoning' in #9 I meant Fro99er's reasoning...I wasn't aware people were, or could even, misinterpret that. His analysis of some of my other posts stems from those misinterpretations as well.

I don't care, nor is it important. You can't just put a scumread out there and push it then later pretend that reasoning and push never existed. Basic stuff here folks.

[Ricastle]

@Rica: One thing to note, I joined the Mario wagon for the same reason Shiro did, although later it was strengthened when he refused to give reads while he didn't have an issue doing so in Disney but that came after. So why is Shiro scum and i am not?

Shiro joined the wagon because of 1017, which I could care less about. So.

[Ricastle]

Oh yea excuse I will try and be as usefull as you....oh wait. I forgot.

Listen I will not pretend I am being really useful and yea my later points against mario turned to be wrong since he was town but really? Rica riddle me this, other than parking your vote on me with piss poor reason(or well lack of any tbh) and never even remotely attempting to push me and then just changing to Mario. Have you done anything at all? Let me answer this for you. No

Two things: 1) I have been V/LA for almost the whole game whereas you have been here constantly and consistently. 2) Instead of contributing while being here you have instead opted to fluff around loads. That's a major difference in our cases, and it's leaving you looking much worse off.

Like funnily enough your very point of my vote on IAI is bad is pretty much the same thing you did to Mario. And then when I point out that Slaandar might have been a fear kill you point at me ? Like what ?That just fucking dumb. You then come out and say that I am omgusing you ? Excuse me but where exactly are you making this assumption from because you and shazam are the two I feel less inclinted to think are town from the people voting him ?

What point about your vote on IaI? Now you're just making stuff up. NKA is always suspicious when the analyser predicts the logic for the kill. Yeah, where on earth am I getting that from, it's not like I voted you today and said I wanted a flashlynch on you if Mario flipped town yesterday...how could I not have assumed it was your perfectly logical PoE you pulled out of your ass with no explanation behind it?

Let alone that your vote was teh most horrid of them sincei t was basically a naked vote. Most people were voting Mario based on what he was saying and when I brought those points to you you replied that you are the last person that I should be preaching this to, yet you voted him alright. I fully explained what I found scummy about Mario and why I voted him, yet you try to say that the reasoning was a hypothesis I made ?

I don't care about my own vote because I know I'm town but whatever. I did actually explain it - I severely disliked his terrible push on Davsto, which looked like flailing. Also, as I said, my opinion has a tendency to be influenced by the current plurality. I didn't vote him for any of the reasons you did so stop BSing. What are you even saying in your last sentence - YOU'RE THE ONE INSISTING IT WAS A HYPOTHESIS! Holy shit!

If you want to push me, try to do so with some valid reasons because what you are doing is parking your vote in a place you are fairly certain that at this point won't cause any traction while you appear to be scumreading someone strongly. It is bs and scummy.

Why don't you use that strong opinion of yours to put an actual vote down, eh, scum? Or are you waiting for backup again?

[Ricastle]

I never pretended it never existed but I never really pushed it as a case either so *shrug*

That's not the point I'm making. You didn't push it as a case, but you DID push it. That is all that matters here.

I thought it was me who brought that up?

You brought up the kill in an attempt to ascertain information from it. Shiro merely gave some general reasoning behind the kill. It's different.

[Ricastle]

I could go for Aero too honestly.

[Ricastle]

@Rica I was talking about Mario when I talked about points obviously since I admitted I mostly steeped for iai plus lurker at the time *rolls eyes*

Also I am saying that you think the hypothesis was the reason for my vote but I might be mistaken there w e

Yes I like to fluff woo bad me. Also I am trying to contribute.

Sakura ninja me but seeing you answered yea I replied ti her with a reasoning I found behind it.

VOTE: Mario

That was a bad move there.

Much explanation. You were defending him a few posts ago if yiu recall

Nope, I never said that.

Carry on flailing. You already conceded having contributed little to nothing relevant so far; it's too late to back out of that now.

I'm aware that is how it is intended to be interpreted at face value. That changes nothing.

My reasoning was heavily alluded to in 1206. Try harder! Also, vote harder!

[Ricastle]

Ricastle do you have any scumreads other than Shiro?

PEdit: Ok other than Shiro and Aero?

Echo Echo.

[Ricastle]

That's ridiculous. How is your vote better off nowhere? You think I'm scum, so vote me. Get others to vote me. That's how you get a wagon going...it's Mafia 101. It's inconceivable that as town you wouldn't understand such a thing. Since when are town stingy about voting their scumreads outside of lylo, anyway?

It's as I said - you're clearly waiting for support before forming any sort of material conviction. In other words, textbook cautious scum behaviour.

[Ricastle]

Okay, Echo read exchanges with tn. That's a good pile of evidence.

VOTE: tn5421

I was about to suggest shots for you Sala but then I realised I wasn't a broken record.

[Ricastle]

I'm the other Mason. Now fuck off.

[Ricastle]

Sala, why is anyone in your 'almost confirmed' confirmed? Commuter is an easy PR claim for scum, and Spiffeh is right in that Echo provided next to no actual reasoning in the case against TN.

Meanwhile VOTE: Firebringer

[Ricastle]

Because tn was basically dead weight, and an easy cred mine. That possibility alone makes me steer clear from putting Echo in the green (any shade).

[Ricastle]

^I'm keeping my vote on you just for that, lol.

You know what Sala's claimed and proven though, right?

[Ricastle]

We are but I got to admit fire is really trying to make a lynch on himself really enticing

So why don't you join me on the actual townbloc wagon in the making? Let bygones be bygones, eh old pal? After all, even if Fire's somehow town, we still need to pressure him to start playing.

[Ricastle]

vote: flubber

lol @ ika. Is he town?

Um, obviously...a townbloc level of obvious no less.

It's quite bizarre how you're making this statement when you didn't even leave so much as an hour for Ika to hammer.

[Ricastle]

Scum commuter vs 1-Shot vig is stupid

You appear to be under the false notion that scum Piss would have to be a legit Commuter in order to claim it.

[Ricastle]

ahh, a vc.

dave and riccy need rope

This is unbelievable. Fuck Fire, this is the scum of the two.

VOTE: pisskop

[Ricastle]

Me, Sala, Fire, Davsto, Axle, and ika are all town. That leaves the 3 scum in Spiffeh, Fro99er, pisskop, Sakura, Shazam, and Echo. With the assumption that Fire is town we can nail Piss as scum right off the bat. Echo is looking less and less likely the more scum wagons he starts out of nowhere but you never know. Town for now though. Spiffeh looks pretty genuine and towny, too, and that push on tn was good, which leaves Fro99er, Sakura and Shazam. Take two out of those and you have the most likely team.

imo, it's piss/Fro99er/Shazam. Let's do this.

[Ricastle]

Well if there's five scum then we've won via that PoE anyway, so better to be cautious.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Fro99er

[Ricastle]

You realize that I've pushed Sakura, Fro99er, and tn, right? And still do scumread Fro99er and Sakura?

Between pisskop and Firebringer, I think it's smarter to go by what they've actually posted than setup speculation about their roles. To me, Firebringer has been more self-contradictory.

Good for you. That's not important to me, though, because it's obvious there were scum bussing tn and there are likely still scum bussing now.

I am going by what they've posted. Fire is being an idiot because he hasn't even read the game and doesn't appear to give a shit about it, and he's definitely looked more like a mere VI in his recent posts (Notedumps are a big towntell in my book for Fire-type players, especially if they are crap). Meanwhile Piss is passively advocating my lynch for no reason when he knows full well that I'm conftown.

Also, lol@sala. Twice now I've been a moron for arriving at the same conclusion you ended up at faster than you. Quality stuff.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Fro99er

you're bad at this

How about explaining the vote then? For a player of your activity level, it's inconceivable that you would have noting meaningful to contribute at that stage apart from a naked vote.

[Ricastle]

Good for you. That's not important to me, though, because it's obvious there were scum bussing tn and there are likely still scum bussing now.

You really thought I was bussing tn? LMAO.

Now where did I say that? Almost everyone was railing against tn. It should be a given that there was at least one scum among them.

[Ricastle]

How about explaining the vote then? For a player of your activity level, it's inconceivable that you would have noting meaningful to contribute at that stage apart from a naked vote.

Go check my fucking activity. I've barely been on site the last week or two.

That's not an explanation for the vote.

[Ricastle]

Well, if those are the best points you can make, then arguing with you really is pointless. After all, you're already fairly obvious scum, so what real need is there to compound that?

Speaking of tn, let's not forget this gem...

actually, you know what. I have no reason to town read tn. Just felt like it in heat of the moment.

VOTE: tn5421

[Ricastle]

I don't seek to prove things like that when I already have sufficient evidence, bub. I just noticed it while ISOing you and thought it was something nice to point out.

That only holds if you claim to be playing well to your town meta. You are not, and have admitted such already as well as why.

[Ricastle]

cool, so I'm confscum. Remind me to laugh at you later

I never said that.

No, I'm playing well to my town meta WHEN IM AVAILABLE.

Go look at my fucking D1. People were complaining about me spamming the thread, which is identical to my town meta.

And go think about the time I was scum in a game with you. I ALWAYS had stuff to contribute because I needed to fool everyone.

So which is it here?

What evidence do you have I'm obvscum? Please, lay it all out.

My PoE and your reluctance to give any reasoning for the Piss vote. You're welcome to explain your vote or make a case on Sakura whenever you want though.

[Ricastle]

Why did I need rope Piss.

[Ricastle]

Shouldn't be a hard question to answer.

[Ricastle]

I don't believe for a moment that you conjured a primary scumread on me out of nowhere D4 over something that happened three days ago.

[Ricastle]

New wagon

VOTE: Shazam

[Ricastle]

Yeah, this really has turned into a pissing contest at this point. Literally.

[Ricastle]

This is your daily reminder that the Shazam wagon is on the table.

[Ricastle]

Why is Davsto scum again?

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Firebringer

Fire flipping anything other than scum BP would be brilliant.

[Ricastle]

Carry on flailing, Fro99er. It's pretty funny.

[Ricastle]

To be fair, the selfvote was pretty good.

[Ricastle]

I'M ALIVE!

VOTE: Shazam

[Ricastle]

Oh...Mafia have to have a doctor...right.

VOTE: Bearbert

[Ricastle]

You'd have to be the worst town Doctor of all time to protect Fire N3.

The only player I can see roleblocking Sala after he claimed 1-shot would be Pisskop. In the case of a scum Doc, I find it quite unlikely that town has a gunsmith, a 2-shot vig, a tracker, a commuter and three masons while scum is stuck with a Doctor and 1 potential other. Therefore, he's the best vote.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Fro99er

[Ricastle]

Yep, it's the truth.

[Ricastle]

Pretty clearly was referring to Davsto. That's enough for me.

VOTE: Davsto

[Ricastle]

Pretty clearly was referring to Davsto. That's enough for me.

VOTE: Davsto

What? Someone saying that I was probably not there because I wasn't there is enough to make you read me as scum? What?

I don't believe you mentioned anywhere in-thread that you were afk by that time.

[Ricastle]

Whoever the scum is here, they are clearly putting in good effort, so that case post is as good as irrelevant as far as I see it.

I could definitely go with Shazam as well though.

[Ricastle]

This is a post agreeing with the reasoning of all past and future posts by the currently active players regarding a consolidation lynch on Shazam.

VOTE: Shazam

[Ricastle]

Ricastle - thoughts on Spiffeh? I am reconsidering my townread on him.

Those are my thoughts also. Can't really maintain a townread on someone who never posts. The last memorable contribution I can recall from him was his crusading for the rights to the cred from tn's lynch which I did not like in the least. When he was posting frequently previously, though, I liked him a lot, so yeah...but as I said, it's practically a fact that whoever the scum is here is putting at least as much effort in as a potential scum!Spiffeh would have been there. Whatever the case, it'd certainly be helpful to hear some more from him at this point.

[Ricastle]

Why Ax?

[Ricastle]

Nope, it's Bearbert and Spiffeh. That was a good defence by Shazam, and Fro99er's recent work (which I agree with) appears to be building to this conclusion as well.

VOTE: Bearbert

Ps. Fuck iOS 9

[Ricastle]

Scum me risked getting lynched(which now looks like it'll happen).

Oh, so you're stating that as a fact, eh?

Time to die, bucko.

[Ricastle]

Axle: I think there's 2 left, yes. And I also think it's quite possible that Fire was telling the truth about how both the remaining scum didn't bus tn. But more on that after we lynch Bearbert.

Right at this moment, though, I'm thinking it's Bear+Spiffeh. The latter is the only living player who has displayed a clear motivation for potentially bussing - the towncred he was scrambling to attain the rights to on D3. So if bussing's your issue, that's your guy.

[Ricastle]

Please explain how when 17(

13

+

4

) is the standard number of lynches.

We get a 2 shot Vig, and 19(17+2) people so they dont cost mislynches. +4 basically modconfirmable roles(3 masons + fruit), some kind of JOAT, Those modconfirmable people mean scum get very little chance to fear kill, where are scum meant to find 5 mislynches, with modconfirmed and vig shots thinning the ranks. (6 claimable PRs)

Fire's slip. I don't see what he would stand to gain by faking a slip to make us believe there is 1 less scum. And I really don't think he was blatantly lying about the wagon composition either.

[Ricastle]

Didn't Aero flip scum?

Yes, it doesn't mean he didn't make a valid point

[Ricastle]

HOW DID THAT FAIL

[Ricastle]

Eh, you know what.

VOTE: Fro99er

[Ricastle]

Fro99er, I've seen you as scum. You're pretty damn good. How in any way does your selfmeta make you obvtown?

I'm also prepared to hammer Bearbert, if necessary.

[Ricastle]

Explain what? Why I'm willing to hammer Bearbert? I'll assume so.

Well, I think we can all agree that his play has been extremely bad/strange/scummy as well as Pisskop's in some places. Even if he did flip town, his potential flip in that scenario would also play a pivotal role in my theorising. I'm not all over his lynch as there are some points of doubt (the majority of Piss's play and Fire's interaction with him), so as I said, I'm willing to hammer, but only if necessary. We're running out of time as well after all.

[Ricastle]

Fro99er, I've seen you as scum. You're pretty damn good. How in any way does your selfmeta make you obvtown?

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Bearbert

[Ricastle]

Almost everyone looks like a good bet for scum at this point...priority on Shazam, Echo & Spiffeh.