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[choof]

/confirm

[choof]

Ok

interesting reaction, given your join date
are you new

[choof]

well you're new to the site of course but are you new to mafia, specifically the iteration of mafia that's played here

[choof]

I currently have slight townleans on both Banana and choof, more so Banana than choof.

Wat

What have I done that is alignment indicative at all lol

don't like this post
why bother pointing out that you havent done anything alignment indicative if someone has a townread on you?

[choof]

Posted the gif. It's a well known town tell to post a gif of a dancing... four legged scribble.

it's supposed to be a cat
hence the :3

[choof]

VOTE: KTthecreeper

Vote:FA_Q2

I almost want to place a bet on you showing up.

Is this bet based on prior experience with FA_Q2 showing up when he's voted?

curious, how does this work in a game with 2 week day phases. it definitely works in faster games, but I think it was a slight rvs vote

[choof]

I currently have slight townleans on both Banana and choof, more so Banana than choof.

Wat

What have I done that is alignment indicative at all lol

don't like this post
why bother pointing out that you havent done anything alignment indicative if someone has a townread on you?

I'm wondering how its possible to town read me based off of nothing alignment indicative. Scum know who is town and who is mafia. Cmon now.

tone and presence. I would have had a pretty decent town read on you because of the avatar post but you seem to be pretty self conscious

[choof]

the game's been on for a few hours and we're already into wifom territory?

[choof]

tone and presence. I would have had a pretty decent town read on you because of the avatar post but you seem to be pretty self conscious

Lmao how is this supposed to make any sense[/quote]
you dont think how someone is posting can indicate alignment?

[choof]

the game's been on for a few hours and we're already into wifom territory?

Let's play.

VOTE: choof

what about my post warrants a vote

[choof]

Why does the vote bother you so much?

it doesnt, you didnt give any reason for the vote aside from quoting a post

[choof]

you dont think how someone is posting can indicate alignment?

I don't remotely see how anyone could infer "tone and presence" from what he'd posted

that's unfortunate

[choof]

Is this bet based on prior experience with FA_Q2 showing up when he's voted?

curious, how does this work in a game with 2 week day phases. it definitely works in faster games, but I think it was a slight rvs vote

I'm a little confused as to what the "this" that might not work, is.

I've played mafia on quite a few sites, sometimes the names are different but the mechanics are the same; mafiascum is the only site I've played on with 2 week long day phases. on my home site, voting someone, especially if they've already been voted for, is a good way to bait them into posting if they're actively lurking. I'm not sure that would work the same way on this site, solely because of how long the day phases are. time is important when days last 72 hours; it's not as important when days last 2 weeks.

@choof: tell me more about your signature.

the following should be read as out-of-game information

I am on new medication that's regulating my bipolar disorder. my meta from older games are invalid because of it.

[choof]

I honestly have no idea how that misquote happened

[choof]

just because of that post, I'll answer it later

[choof]

do you absolutely need an answer now
the day is young

[choof]

Why does the vote bother you so much?

it doesnt

, you didnt give any reason for the vote aside from quoting a post

If my vote on you doesn't bother you and you're just asking why I didn't give any reason for my vote, can you then please explain to the members of the jury why you ignored posts 63, 66, 73, and 76, which were ALL votes without stated reasons for another person. This normally wouldn't bother me but given this post it calls my attention:

I currently have slight townleans on both Banana and choof, more so Banana than choof.

Wat

What have I done that is alignment indicative at all lol

don't like this post
why bother pointing out that you havent done anything alignment indicative if someone has a townread on you?

I'm wondering how its possible to town read me based off of nothing alignment indicative. Scum know who is town and who is mafia. Cmon now.

tone and presence. I would have had a pretty decent town read on you because of the avatar post but

you seem to be pretty self conscious

on phone so I cant easily edit this
but those votes didnt bother me because they were not on me

[choof]

Um yes and why are you deliberately stalling

because I want to get a rise out of you

[choof]

I'll do reads later this eveninf

[choof]

Why does the vote bother you so much?

it doesnt

, you didnt give any reason for the vote aside from quoting a post

on phone so I cant easily edit this
but those votes didnt bother me because

they were not on me

So the vote DID bother you and had NOTHING to do with me not giving a reason for voting you then. Why are you so bothered by one vote? Are you worried about getting lynched already?

the vote on me didn't bother me
the votes on someone else weren't worth pursuing because it's still super early in the game

I don't like how quick you are to declare a good lynch, we have quite some time to come to a consensus on a "good lynch"
if we wait longer, we'll find a good lynch

pedit: weird to see banana interacting with someone who is not myself or luna, only to bring attention back on myself and luna. banana, do you have opinions on anyone besides myself

[choof]

That stinks to high heaven.

This tells me you are not bothering with scum hunting but rather only concerned with self preservation.

What does that sound like...

there is scum in between luna and banana
it's probably luna

[choof]

Let me put it this way.

Do you like Aj's vote on FAQ? You said you felt it was RVS but has he done anything with it? Why would he not?

I took it as an RVS vote, so I don't like it or dislike it; it's a vote that shouldn't be taken seriously

[choof]

No and I've not said that or implied that anywhere. As I said, I generally just wait for RVS to pass.

Newsflash, RVS is over.

vote AJ

this was probably where scum voted on AJ

VOTE: I Am Innocent

[choof]

Also i don't think im liking choof anymore. For someone accusing Banana of being self conscious he's being self conscious himself.

this wasn't an accusation, this was a post made to make it seem like you're keeping up when you're just sheeping off the current wagon

pedit: would you like me to vote for you?

[choof]

Also i don't think im liking choof anymore. For someone accusing Banana of being self conscious he's being self conscious himself.

this wasn't an accusation, this was a post made to make it seem like you're keeping up when you're just sheeping off the current wagon

pedit: would you like me to vote for you?

I want you to be honest.
If you think im scum then vote me.
Because i don't understand why someone who thinks im scum wouldn't be voting me.

imo innocent is a better wagon candidate atm because he's actively lurking and you're not

[choof]

You're either misrepresenting me or showing more of that self consciousness.

I mean, if you look at your iso, you have two or so rvs posts and then the rest are just interactions with luna and myself

Doesn't sound like a scum post. Seems null to me.

contrived post

[choof]

AJ is null at this point. I encourage those in his wagon to look through Choofs posts as Choof is not null.

if you're going to try to get a wagon going on me, you should put in work and build a case

[choof]

heading out
I expect a case built on me by the time I get back this evening

[choof]

Although im currently having doubts on my choof read again, currently i dont like his "You have no case on me so you can't lynch me" attitude.

the fuck are you talking about

[choof]

because giving up when you're under pressure is definitely the town thing to do

[choof]

Somehow I missed moving my vote in my last post:

VOTE: choof

It is interesting that no one noted that as well.

don't give yourself too much credit, you haven't done much at all in this game so far. why do you think it's interesting that no one noted your lack of vote?

[choof]

I'm going to start taking a tally of every time banana implies that someone misrepresented him
I believe we're up to three, possibly four posts so far

[choof]

because giving up when you're under pressure is definitely the town thing to do

K.

You would obstruct justice because if pride? Doesn't seem very Towny

and more of an excuse to think of a good convincing post.

Um yes and

why are you deliberately stalling

[choof]

are you stomping your feet?

[choof]

is little bananachuchichuchicoo upset that he's getting heat for a bad wagon?

[choof]

There's obviously no point trying to reason with you so I'm not going to bother anymore.

I want you to explicitly tell me why you thought this was a good post to make

[choof]

I posted pretty much right after you called me out for stalling, so why are you stalling now?

[choof]

VOTE: luna

[choof]

How am I stalling?

I'm not going to respond to every childish post you make.

you thought this was a childish post?

There's obviously no point trying to reason with you so I'm not going to bother anymore.

I want you to explicitly tell me why you thought this was a good post to make

what about this one?

because giving up when you're under pressure is definitely the town thing to do

but this wasn't childish at all, of course not.

because giving up when you're under pressure is definitely the town thing to do

K.

this wasn't childish either.

Please continue posting.

this just takes the cake, man.

There's obviously no point trying to reason with you so I'm not going to bother anymore.

Or don't and I'll keep my vote where it is.

I am shaking in my boots
I'll ask again:

I posted pretty much right after you called me out for stalling, so why are you stalling now?

[choof]

I know which posts I made that were childish, I don't regret them and I already know that you're going to try to shift the attention from my valid questions/pressure to me calling out your passive-aggressive hissy fit

don't even bother quoting them

[choof]

There's no point in continuing to argue with a misguided townlean read. That's Kirby. Accomplishes nothing.

Accomplishes nothing.

Accomplishes nothing.

Accomplishes nothing.

objectively incorrect

I now present you with the same question.

are you stomping your feet?

is little bananachuchichuchicoo upset that he's getting heat for a bad wagon?

I want you to explicitly tell me why you thought these were good posts to make.

I know which posts I made that were childish, I don't regret them and I already know that you're going to try to shift the attention from my valid questions/pressure to me calling out your passive-aggressive hissy fit

don't even bother quoting them

The last time I reaponded to posts like this it did not end well so you're officially on ignore.

because they provoked a reaction. you're town.

[choof]

158 Sucks. It's contrived. Hopelessly overwrought rationale. The idea that her townreading of people voting her is a scumtell is nonsensical.

what did you think of her response in 159? more deflection? a townie post?

VOTE: luna

Nah

I don't know, she hasn't really brought any new ideas to the table

180 was another flip flop of reads
182 doesn't even make sense

and that's just the tip of the iceberg, she's repeatedly sheeped ideas and followed the crown with very little in the way of original thought

[choof]

followed the crowd*

[choof]

okay yeah that makes sense then
idk I think I'm keeping my vote on luna for the time being
I'd like to see some reads from her at some point

my head's been hurting all day so I'm gonna go grab some tylenol and be back later

[choof]

what is it about talah that strikes him as town

[choof]

P-edit: Oh do I cry over my shortcomings, m'Lord catboi. Forgive this humble Stooge for his inability to quoth the Raven every time and squander upon thee needless hours and precious space of thine's electronic cellars for the holiest of your words which does so exist on the same scroll! This servant so humbly wished only for thine master's blessings in being short, as I am, and concise, which I do so fail to be! Shall it be twenty lashings for this failure stooge?

if this was a disney cartoon from the 50s, I'd drop a piano on you for this post

[choof]

catching up, but I'll say this right now

Now, what I like about RVS is when I replace in, I can look at wagons and try to figure out motives in the light of other posts down the line. However, don't expect me to be good at it. I almost got lynched my first game on site claiming I wouldn't drop a vote because I thought RVS was stupid. Pirate_Mollie and Mastin2 had other opinions about it. Since it's random voting, I generally do what I know: just drop a vote and talk for a while.

As for me playing aggressively, once I start you might as well get used to it. If I see something I don't like, I generally hound it. There's two reasons for it: 1.) if you start calling people on misteps, it helps prevent apathy and the town won't go silent. 2.) It will help you understand my stance on everything and it also helps me get answers.

Anyways, to me everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

Which is absolutely why I hate what Luna's doing.

I agree with you that rvs is dumb as shit, and aggression is good, but the bolded part strikes me as odd. can you be aggressive and right if you're overly paranoid?

[choof]

At the end of the day, the objective is to find the person we need to get rid of, and the people who are town will largely reveal themselves without us having to hunt them out.

you don't think clearing someone as town benefits scumhunting? process of elimination? or, since you think that everyone is guilty until proven innocent, do you read townhunting as attempts to pocket players?

[choof]

Right, I went through the start of the game, then I just skipped the

pointless debate of Choof and BananaCucho

.

BananaCucho

always looks scummy

- He does on this game too. I'm going with town.

Choof seems to be trying to look too scummy for scum for me.

Something I'm going to look into.

this doesn't add up

[choof]

Luna's very clearly taken stances, she just hasn't held many of them very long. Being indecisive is different from being overcautious.

luna has taken stances that are wholly unoriginal, she's indecisive AND overcautious

[choof]

Hello Vedith btw.

I'm guessing you're town on what could be completely incorrect game meta which is that the person you replaced did not pick up their role PM.

Ergo no full scumteam to chat pre-game, ergo unfair on the scumteam.

How do you feel about that?

?
this dies not make any sense.

Where did you even get this idea. How do you know that the scum team was able to chat pre-game? I thought that was something that is explicit in the rules or does not happen? Can anyone else speak to this site and the general rules as to scum being able to speak pre-game?

I chalked his post up to angleshooting, and not worth looking at but if you really want to do this, the two games I've played in as scum, we had pre-game talk

[choof]

Somehow I missed moving my vote in my last post:

VOTE: choof

It is interesting that no one noted that as well.

don't give yourself too much credit, you haven't done much at all in this game so far. why do you think it's interesting that no one noted your lack of vote?

Because virtually every game I have played calling another player out like that and then not voting for them is called out.

It is odd to me that not one player noted that I still had my vote in RVS. I don't know what to make of that yet, if anything.

you have a small fraction of the posts in this game so far. I got called out by luna for not voting for luna, but I also have a bunch of posts. do you think your lack of vote was important?

[choof]

Luna's very clearly taken stances, she just hasn't held many of them very long. Being indecisive is different from being overcautious.

luna has taken stances that are wholly unoriginal, she's indecisive AND overcautious

let me expand on this
she's definitely indecisive, no doubt. by overcautious, to me it seems like she's actively avoiding bringing up original points on people because she doesn't want to get called out for saying something wrong, or not being able to elaborate on a point

[choof]

okay i'm going to sonic does anyone want anything

[choof]

well you certainly have a lot of people to start making reads on because iirc you said 4 people were town and the rest were null in one hell of a copout post

[choof]

aware that it was a bad set of reads?

[choof]

How does being indecisive equate to being scum here, exactly? Also don't really see her as being unoriginal at all, several statements of reads came before anyone else made them, and her calling you/banana both town definitely wasn't copying anyone.

I could quote multiple posts from her that sheep other players
her refusal to step on toes and make a hard stance, to me, implies someone who doesn't want to get killed
you think she's just being a silly townie?

well you certainly have a lot of people to start making reads on because iirc you said 4 people were town and the rest were null in one hell of a copout post

aware that it was a bad set of reads?

Lmao

How is not giving reads on most of the players in the game after only a few pages a bad set of reads?

oh shit dude, my bad. lemme go back and see what her reads consisted of...

I'd like to see some reads from her at some point

Current townreads are:
Banana
Kyubey
talah
You (choof)

Everyone else is null.

these were Really Good Reads (TM)

[choof]

Alright, I have a proposition: Carrying dead weight into future days recently lost the town in one of my games (Micro 503). Town never got active (not an issue here) and a VI survived all the way until I replaced in and saw his posting as counterproductive to the town. Had one scum get by me because comparing resumes just meant the scum was higher% to be town. Really, if you read the game there's like nothing that makes the guy who avoids to L-1 lynches to be town.

okay, a few questions for you.
would you like to see the "dead weight" lynched before they have a chance to be replaced out?
do you think we would hit scum if we lynch "dead weight"
what happens if the "dead weight" is actively lurking and claims at L-1? would you like to see them lynched then?
would you hold it against someone if the "dead weight" got derphammered?

[choof]

DEADLINE: (expired on 2015-09-30 20:05:00)

we have 11 days as of this post
advocating a wagon on the players who have yet to put in work this early in the game just seems to me that you want it to become night

[choof]

someone find the post where aj talks about scumhunting because I don't think advocating a policy lynch this early on constitutes scumhunting

[choof]

I'm quoting luna posts right now but I stumbled on this:

My second vote which was on choof, was mostly because of what i explained earlier,

plus i have no issue sheeping my townreads until i have a proper PoE list.

[choof]

okay, it doesn't actually look like luna has too many posts where she directly sheeps thoughts, these were significant ones I could find

While I generally do the same (or if i have knowledge of the setup then i try to break it or abuse it), I don't see why you can't start making assesments during RVS while waiting, nor understand why you need to be put at L-1 to contribute.

sheeps 76

Also i don't think im liking choof anymore. For someone accusing Banana of being self conscious he's being self conscious himself.

sheeps 90

but a lot of her posts are... weird. for example, I don't get why she made this post.

It makes sense that when i see ppl actually trying to figure me out is most likely to come from town, since scum would be all over me by now (i think)

it'd be disingenuous to keep a vote on her, but I'm definitely keeping my eye on her, atm.
VOTE: unvote

[choof]

En ego search of FA_Q2 shows that they have played a fairly decent ammount of games, scum pre-game chat is a given for any game, this looks like an attempt at a fake townslip.

this, however, was pretty slick. it might be worth pursuing. he hasn't been active since he made the supposed fake townslip. maybe he got rattled?

[choof]

lend me your aid

allow me this one shitpost

Valithria Dreamwalker, a captured green dragon, is the first boss of the Frostwing Halls wing of the Icecrown Citadel raid. The fight ends when the raid has succeeded in healing Valithria up to 100%, while adds spawn in decreasing intervals. The fight is a chaotic battle for survival. The loss of a tank or a healer could easily result in a wipe.

[choof]

it could also be cover of some sort

[choof]

1.) They're not exactly afk. Zakk and Leegee have posted, it's just what they post has amounted to nothing. So they aren't in danger of getting replaced.
2.) No. I think lurkers have a higher % to be scum but it certainly isn't indicative. However, it's anti-town. Which is the next best thing.
3.) Depends on the claim. If it takes them to L-1 to claim, we have an entirely different issue on our hands.
4.) Yes, as I would in any lynch.

I still think it's far too early to be attempt a wagon/lynch on inactive players. even if you think that lurkers have a higher chance at being scum, a mislynch is a mislynch. I would much rather leave policy lynches until much further down the line.
what issues are you thinking about in regards to a claim at L-1? I don't see how that's inherently bad, especially if there's discussion going on and someone can pull a vote off before they get derp hammered. a claim around L-2 would probably be a lot safer, though.

[choof]

checking in, weekend has been surprisingly busy
wont be able to start making posts again until tomorrow evening

[choof]

linkin park turns 20 next year
linkin park lyrics are a great way to make me think about replacing out

[choof]

we've been out of rvs for quite some time now, is there something explicit you're looking for with those questions?

[choof]

1) I can't tell if you're being serious or trolling or what.
2) It seems like your attention is like bits and pieces everywhere.

Luna
I'm not trolling, St Constantine does that but not me...please don't worry about that...
if's any consolation
just think of me as the awkward guy at work
I'm just asking Vee some questions...like if I was Vig and shot him
what would he think
I don't do heavy personal insults. Please don't be concerned...

It's interesting that talah thought I'm trying to call attention to myself
but you verbalize that my attention is in bits and pieces
but really, I am afraid to die...
it's the same concern that I imagine
everyone else has

I can't possibly drive my fist into my own face hard enough to cope with reading this post

[choof]

VOTE: performer

Why the fixation on your own survival? That is a decidedly ani-town mindset. It does not help town if players are simply trying to avoid conflict and getting lynched.

Your posts are also terrible to read. Not a reason for voting you just an observation.

iirc there are quite a few posts that relate to you so if you could not ignore them and respond with something original, that would be fan-freakin-tastic

[choof]

hey guys, prod dodge and a quick post to say that I unfortunately have to replace out. gonna get slammed with work this week, and I have some potential full-time job opportunities lined up. those take more of a priority.

well actually, I won't replace out if people want to give me the chance to clear myself by d2.

[choof]

but I'll be severely crippled in regards to posting for a while

[choof]

no I mean
I have a confirmable role which means that I can either replace out and have my replacement do a read through to help the scumhunt efforts, or I can claim, confirm, and keep the spot open as a confirmed town

[choof]

Before you do so, could you possibly unvote? The person you replaced had placed a vote, and Banana may be prematurely lynched. Highly unlikely, but you never know. Heck, you can revote them if you want to.

Maybe you should go sit down somewhere with a cool drink and relaxing music for half an hour.

what a fake post

[choof]

VOTE: Performer

hey, do you mind answering what I asked you?

Nope

this is the second time in this game where you have stalled on purpose

[choof]

i honestly have no idea what the fuck banana is doing but whatever it is, it doesn't feel like it's coming from a town mindset. tone is significantly different than it was earlier in the game, iirc he was somewhere early on in the performer wagon and now he's voting out of spite?

i mean, i'm still going to replace out soon but i still want to come back and see that town won. i honestly feel like if banana is kept alive, he will detriment the town. VOTE: banana
i know i said i read you as town but looking back, i'm getting the feeling that you are a wolf that doesn't know how to stay consistent

[choof]

I still think luna is scum
did I ever have a push on banana? I wouldn't say that it was continued, but I can understand how you might think it's opportunistic.

[choof]

do you think I should unvote and keep an empty vote until eod/until someone replaces me?

[choof]

VOTE: unvote

yeah I'll just sit back and confirm myself during the night
I'm thinking about reporting some of those posts; calling someone a "fucking moron" is completely uncalled for, I understand "lol reaction testing" but that's not a reaction test, that's being an asshole

[choof]

I probably won't either

[choof]

oh all of those hate posts were directed at me
cute

[choof]

Just sit down and shut the fuck up, you're replacing out anyway.

you're right, my posts are totally uncalled for.

hard-claiming

Town Friendly Neighbor

during the night, I send in a name and that person is notified that I am town. I'll let my replacement decide whose name to send in.

requesting replacement as of this post, I don't feel like being called a "fucking moron" for posting