NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

[Spiffeh]

Who is Echo's teammate if he's scum?

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DGB who is Scumraka's teammate?

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You do know Shiro is dead right?

Also answer my question pls

Not through your algorithm or w/e but what you genuinely think.

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You don't know that Shiro is dead?

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DGB who is Scumraka's teammate?

[Spiffeh]

He thinks you're scum so that's the name I'm using for you

[Spiffeh]

FUCK I KNEW THAT sorry DGB

[Spiffeh]

Speaking of spam I was bored so I made this:

Spoiler:

Sadly some people are only there in spirit I couldnt figure out how to put them in. Faceless dude is IAI he has a red tag that says I am innocent but it not visble : (

Shiro: Gone but never forgotten <3

[Spiffeh]

DGB can you explain why myself and Echo are the most likely candidates to be her partner?

[Spiffeh]

Guys can't we just compromise on Shazam.

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I'm gonna vote for Shazam when I wake up tomorrow probably so people have until then to convince me not to (including Shazam himself).

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Shouldn't you know that already?

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You're making me paranoid I need to sleep.

[Spiffeh]

Sakura and Shazam scumteam confirmed ???

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Seriously Sakura that is probably the scummiest thing you have done all day.

[Spiffeh]

Axle and DGB please realize how scummy this is pls

Also that's not true I've said you've been ACTING townier today there's just a lot of stuff not in your favor.

[Spiffeh]

Why can't they be scum together in your eyes?

[Spiffeh]

Why is that entirely out of the realm of possibility?

Who is the other scum then?

[Spiffeh]

Axle - Defends me and sees exactly through my eyes, understands my position and continues to hard defend me.
Spiffeh - Indecisive, keeps saying im scum, but at the very least it isnt blindly following the argument, he doesn't want to make a mistake.
DGB - Keeps trying to sort everything out to solve the game.

I mean here it looks like you're more or less town reading everyone left itg.

[Spiffeh]

I still don't understand why, from your PoV, scum wouldn't be able to identify that town are mislynching and just be off the wagon?

That's literally what tn did on Day 1 with the Mario wagon. There is precedence.

[Spiffeh]

Why exactly are Axle and DGB out of the running for scum in your eyes but I'm back in the pool?

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Yes Echo did do that.

I mean he said it was part of his mason claim gambit so at least there was a reason.

I h8 this

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Yeah if there is a townie between Shazam and Echo you need to step it the fuck up please.

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Echo who are the last scum and why?

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YOU'RE SHEEPING SOMEONE WHO HASN'T READ THE GAME IN MYLO WTF

[Spiffeh]

It's getting increasingly difficult to think you're town.

Stop giving cop out answers and tell me who you think the last scum are.

[Spiffeh]

How is everyone all of a sudden against a Shazam lynch today this is very frustrating.

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Because you're acting like a scumbutt for saying you're sheeping a player who just subbed in when you've been seemingly very confident and had no trouble giving reads earlier in the game.

If anyone's keeping his options open at this point it's you.

Which is annoying because I thought for sure Shazam and Sakura were the scum team.

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Ok you're right sheeping someone who hasn't read the game is clearly the solution

Tbh I still see nothing plausible nor any insightful results from DGB's VCA.

Maybe you're ALL scum and you win if you drive me crazy!!!

[Spiffeh]

I think Shazam is a shoe in for scum no matter what.

I think him just popping in to defend himself and not do any scum hunting is bad.

The other spot is between Sakura and Echo and I'm leaning towards Sakura. However, Echo is doing himself no favors.

Can you all please sheep me?

VOTE: Shazam

PEdit: Echo can you at least look at the posts about Shazam I've made today and give me your thoughts?

[Spiffeh]

It's still there and am probably willing to vote there as well.

I meanI think Sakura has sounded a lot townier than both you and Shazam today. I also think Shazam is likely to be either of your partners whereas I don't see you and Sakura being scum together.

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Sakura I still want to know who the second scum is from your PoV if it's not Shazam please.

[Spiffeh]

We don't have time to consider things in due time.

[Spiffeh]

Yay congrats Sakura!

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DGB do not vote Echo whatever you do.

Shazam will be lynched today. Me Sakura DGB Echo is four.

Whoever refuses is his teammate.

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I really hate that Axle parks his vote on Echo and goes on V/LA wtf

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I don't mind if your buddy busses because at least scum is lynched.

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They could be idc as long as scum Shazam dies.

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DGB don't you see Sakura and Shazam have retracted their votes for each other at one point or another today in favor of voting Echo when Echo had seemingly become the popular vote. Sakura is only bussing now because I said "whoever doesn't vote Shazam is the other scum. You need to vote for Shazam.

Echo vote for Shazam now. Otherwise you will get lynched which results in a town loss.

NO LYNCHING WILL NOT WORK. Scum would just idle and we would just be wasting our time.

[Spiffeh]

I am confident that the team is Echo and Sakura

So Echo's busing his partner with very poor reasoning instead of attempting to get a mislynch on MyLo, did I get that right?

Sure, why not? It's worked out pretty well if you ask me. In light of that, I have figured out that the only way to lynch someone other than me (and thereby give town a chance of winning) is to vote Echo first. My only hope is if the two of you who seem to think it's Echo and me (or at least that it could be) will vote Echo first.

VOTE: Echo Echo[/quote

The funny thing is Sakura had more votes than Echo at this time and his switch to Echo was what MADE Echo have the most votes.

So there was no reason for you to switch off of her.

DGB this should be more reason than any to vote for him.

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OH GOD quote tag fail.

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VOTE: Shazam

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Lol I would literally cry

That would have made it three votes though so it's cool.

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Scum is bussing as we speak.

Just not certain which of you is the scum bussing,.

But whichever one retracts their vote will make it obvious so they're now forced into bussing.

[Spiffeh]

It's ok guys save this argument for tomorrow.

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DGB is who we're waiting on.

She said she wanted to think about it which is fine but I don't see much else to think about.

We have confirmed that she can only possibly be scum with Shazam at this point.

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Echo I just explained why the remaining scum is bussing.

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Shazam what do you think of DGB?

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@DGB by wary that deadline is in about 6 hours so please vote for Shazam before then

Will answer other stuff later I have to go for now.

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Also DGB if you are actually convinced by Shazam's craptacular arguments let me know and I will dismantle them for you later.

PEdit: OH you're right Sakura my bad.

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Ok as for the last scum I'm like 75% sure it's Sakura but if I die I IMPLORE both you and ESPECIALLY AXLE to not be hasty and read things over before voting tomorrow.

If Shazam is town then GG.

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^ This makes me question my decision JUST a little bit

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I swear if the scum team was Echo and Sakura I will be pissed.

[Spiffeh]

I am not reassured at all.

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*hyperventilates*

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Tbh I still think it's Sakura but I kinda hope I'm dead so I don't have to make that decision.

[Spiffeh]

If you guys are scum together I demand to be financially compensated for the emotional distress you are putting me through.

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How do we know they're not all goons?

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If DGB is scum I concede lol

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DGB why do you think Echo's behavior is scummier than Sakura's?

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Sakura what do you think about the kill on Axle?

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Yeah I am kind of paranoid that I wasn't nightkilled but I'm gonna drop that altogether.

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Yes.

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Damn it Echo I'm leaning towards voting out Sakura and you say scummy shit like that.

[Spiffeh]

Eh nevermind you were pretty consistently doubting Shazam scum yesterday so there's nothing really bad about it.

Anyway yeah I'm leaning towards voting Sakura I'm gonna type up some thoughts soon.

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Firebringer

(7) -

Sakura Hana

, AxleGreaser, Davsto, Ricastle, Bearbert D, Vedith, DrippingGoofball
Bearbert D (1) -

Firebringer

DrippingGoofball (1) -

Shazam

Davsto (1) -

Echo Echo

Did scum Sakura come up with a guilty on FB, and none of her buddies followed through with a vote?

Or did town Sakura come up with a guilty on FB, and all the scum decided to shun the wagon?

Well FB wasn't gonna vote himself, and Shazam didn't post again after Sakura outed her guilty.

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One thing against Sakura that I'm finding it really difficult to overlook is the way she went about her guilty. I know at that point in time she seemed to be growing frustrated with the game and that people weren't listening to her. That may have been true, but I believe if this was town Sakura she would take the easy (and smarter) way out by just claiming her guilty outright. Especially with her BPV to keep her alive.

The way she and Shazam had condensed onto Echo yesterday spooks me as well. Also, Shazam's opening post yesterday looked like Echo was his preferred lynch target and he only threw in Sakura as an after thought in case it went her way.

I also felt tn's interactions with Echo don't seem to come from the same scum team:

The Mario wagon was an unfortunate event. He dug his own grave. Looking at the wagon formation, I conclude that the wagon was actually comprised of mostly town. It would be daft to blindly look at it by VCA and say "There's at least 2 scum on the wagon". I don't doubt that there are scum on the wagon, but this takes more careful analysis instead of blind dart throwing. It would be difficult to differentiate between the scum who hopped on, and town who hopped on.

In the whole process, I severely disliked TN's posts. His approach to the game was poor, and the reasoning for his votes were detestable at best. So far, he has provided little in content, and has resulted to abrasive, snarky responses when called out. His method of flailing seems to include intimidation tactics, which objectively has a scum utility, regardless if whether the issue is play style.

I'll catch up on Day 2 later, but my lynchpool remains unchanged from yesterday: TN or Davesto. I'm not very inclined for lynching IaI.

Ok, and? You've basically spammed all game and have what, 20 posts worth of content at best? Hypocrite.

I might be wrong about Davesto, given his long post explaining his tn scumread. A+ for effort.

You seem to think that I give a shit about your opinion.

You would be wrong.

Additionally, I still don't see a scum Echo claiming mason like that. I don't see him and Shazam coming up with the elaborate plan Axle thought up to get ika outed and still come off scot free. Actually, the scum would have known who the mason was if Echo was scum and they were paying attention. It seemed pretty obvious through Ricastle's reads that it could only be ika or Echo and if Echo is scum he knows it's ika already. Why take that unnecessary risk?

However, I'm also struggling to see why scum Sakura fakes a guilty on her teammate in that situation in the first place. And Sakura has behaved super town-like for the entire game despite the things I've mentioned above. Echo's jump off of Davsto and onto ika did strike me as weird but he did have the explanation of trying to draw the mason kill so ???

But I still think Sakura is the vote for today given the other evidence against her.

@DGB thoughts? And @Sakura @Echo responses?

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And you both think DGB scum is off the table?

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You can at least be nice

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Anyway I'm just waiting to hear from DGB and I think I'll be good to go.

[Spiffeh]

DGB I think I'm gonna vote Sakura soon unless someone gives me a good reason not to. What are you thinking right now?

[Spiffeh]

Ok if you're scum we've lost anyway so w/e

VOTE: Sakura Hana

I'm still not positive but I think this is the best vote.

Sorry everyone if I'm wrong

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE:

Explain pls

[Spiffeh]

Oh.

Lol.

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Sakura Hana

Who are you leaning towards DGB?

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Why'd that DGB?

[Spiffeh]

Question: could Firebringer have been viewed as a LIABILITY that would be more useful to the team DEAD?

Idk if you know the whole story about this so I'll enlighten you in case you don't.

- Salamence, the two shot vig, asked Firebringer to claim immediately at the start of Day 4
- Firebringer continues to avoid claiming
- Salamence gets fed up with FB's shit and claims he shot Firebringer, and that Firebringer last night but he lived, so if he's BPV he should know very well that he should claim if the VIG is asking him to.
- Firebringer THEN claims Bullet Proof
- For some reason people start wagoning other people
- Sakura THEN claims her guilty (after proxying her vote to Salamence)

So it's not like FB was a beacon of townitude before Sakura claimed her guilty. There was already a large amount of suspicion on him which I think makes it more plausible for him to have been bussed.

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Once again, you're suggesting that me (as supposed scum) would make the scumteam have 2 protective abilities from a 2-shot vig? that makes that role kinda useless no?

Like I said earlier, none of those roles have been proven. Some might not exist if you're scum.

[Spiffeh]

The kill was blocked N3 I believe.

I think it's also possible she roleblocked Salamence N3? It can't be proven either way though.

Are vig's notified if they are roleblocked?

[Spiffeh]

Eh don't bother Sakura you could also be a scum BG too so confirming the roleblock thing wouldn't really change anything.

PEdit: DGB Shiro was town not scum lol

[Spiffeh]

Apparently fire didnt post a read on Echo?

If they were scum together how exactly does he forget Echo but not his other buddy Shazam?

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I just don't think we should really look too much into that.

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DGB tbh I don't see myself changing my mind and I think there's enough evidence against Sakura to make me confident in keeping my vote on her.

What else do you expect to find?

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Aw I wish you weren't quitting

[Spiffeh]

I thought Sakura and Shazam played really well for the most part.

It was really ridiculous imo that so many people ragequit this game over some really petty shit and it was cool of the subs to sub into those slots (DGB in particular).

Although I am curious what caused Sakura to panic into claiming a guilty onto FB?

@pieguyn I hope you make the scum and dead chats public?

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I think maybe giving scum a roleblock instead of the doctor and knocking off a mason might have made the game a little more balanced.

But I've never made a game on this site so idk