Mafia 69: noXkill - Game over!

[dybeck]

"random" vote: Davidangelsummers

Not random at all.

[dybeck]

FOS: Everyone voting Karen

A one-track mind is not helpful.

[dybeck]

Okay well said. I agree with you partly there. But before getting rid of her straight away, I think it would be good if we waited a while and investigated other people too. Before we make a quick and potentially stupid decision. And also like I said before, There is bound to be scum from at least one side voting against her, so it would be good to monitor those people.

who would you suggest we investigate, if not her. While, potentially, Karen may not be scum, right now shes scummier than anyone else in the game. So, even with her obnoxiously overzealous defense of herself, and her accusation that the people who are voting for her are scum(illogical), my vote stays on her until someone can make a case that says someone else is scummier than karen.

How ironic that this post is itself scummier than anything Karen's said all game. Getting pissed about the fact that there's a baseless bandwagon on you is NORMAL. I'd be pissed if too if I were Karen.

unvote, vote: Flyinghawk

[dybeck]

there's a reason why Karen is being wagoned.

I'm not entirely sure this is true!

[dybeck]

Sitting on the fence spouting arguments you don't believe in Is Not Helpful.

Particularly when they're total garbage.

[dybeck]

Can somebody please summarize the case for Karen in one post for me?

[dybeck]

If that's the best case you have on someone by Page 7, it's time to explore some new lines of enquiry.

[dybeck]

I was hoping that by encouraging people to attempt to summarize the case for Karen, the town might wake up and realise what a nonsense the whole thing was.

It appears that nobody did, so I had to suggest outright that we should be looking elsewhere.

[dybeck]

Town, just watch the people voting Karen. There's probably 4-8 scumv in this game... They will be trying to start a bandwagon. Even if Karen is say part of the werewolves, (I think it's werewolves?) the Mafia guys from the other gang of scum will be trying to lynch her. If she's town both gangs want her gone. So either way, scum want her out.

Sorry, but this screams to me of someone trying way too hard to look like he's town. Didn't you originally cast your vote for Karen as her BW was picking up? Now you want us to look at everyone

else

who is/was voting for her?

Confirm Vote: Green Day

You are so not wrong.

unvote, vote: Green Day

"I think it's werewolves?"?

Do me a favor.

[dybeck]

Karen has made it very plain that she considers herself a well versed, not-new player. If this is the case, than we can't excuse all of her blunders to 'newbie' mistakes.

Do you agree with her assessment? You consider her a well versed, not-new player? Or could she be wrong?

She has been acting scummy all game,

I disagree.

and since you've been defending her I see some mafia protecting mafia vibes coming from you.

Well... we already established that your scumdar is less than perfect.

Fos:Dybeck

the votes on Karen are not "a nonsense' as you so eloquently put it, so be careful not to over defend her.

On the contrary. They ARE a nonsense, and I'll continue to defend players that are being unjustly bandwagoned. And when she turns out not scum, I'll continue to campaign for the lynches of the players who campaigned so hard for their lynches. Don't try and intimidate me into silence please.

Of course the ironic thing is that she might well BE scum! But my belief is that there's absolutely nothing to suggest either way.

[dybeck]

Also, you are not an alt. Alts of good players do not play like crap. Alts of bad players don't even play this badly. So stop.

Out of interest, what is an alt?

Dybeck: How do you not see a case here?

You truly find Karen scummier than Green Day?

CKD: If you wish we'd hung Karen 10 posts ago (as 174 seems to imply), why aren't you voting for her?

This is horrific representation, as I think you're aware

FOS: Cephrir

[dybeck]

Figures. Can't think what sort of a person would do that though.

Mod

would you mind fixing the tags in #181?

Mod note:

fixed.

[dybeck]

Did you three just get poked or what?

[dybeck]

I'm keeping my

FOS Karen

up. She needs to pull it together and quit making a noob of herself. As I said before, scum or not, I doubt she's gonna help the town much. I'd just as soon see her replaced, but she has to learn at some point I suppose.

So to clarify, Sonicpulsar, Karen

is

scum, or she's

not

scum? You still have your FOS, yet you think she's just a noob?

[dybeck]

EVERY SINGLE REASON QUOTED FOR LYNCHING KAREN HAS BEEN BASED UPON HER BEING A BAD PLAYER!

THIS DOES NOT MATTER ONE IOTA IN THE MATTER OF SCUM VS TOWN.

WHAT ARE YOU ALL NOT GETTING HERE?

[dybeck]

Who'll join me on a Cephrir bandwagon?

I think that all those not on the Karen bandwagon will understand why.

unvote, vote: Cephrir

[dybeck]

i'm drawing a blank. Hard to gather much info from the Karen lynch,

Rubbish. There were a lot of scum on that wagon and it's time to get some of them.

vote: WhoMe

[dybeck]

Oh yeah, I totally forgot Cephrir was scum.

unvote, vote: Cephrir

[dybeck]

Your actions yesterday were disconcerting, yes, Karen ended up being town, but there was the possibility she was scum coupled with her inability to aid the town in ANY WAY. It was obvious that our best option yesterday was to lynch her and you were completely opposed to it but gave us no better ideas.

Zoneace, you've been around far too long to be spouting bullshit like this.

It was very clear to some people yesterday that the bandwagon on Karen was based on spiderwebs and fairydust and that our best option was to carry on discussion until we had some more information. To pretend otherwise is more than idiocy, it's a blatant lie.

Clearly "I don't know who the scum are" is not the same as "Karen must be the scum".

Additionally, "I don't know who the scum are" is not the same as "We must lynch someone as soon as possible - let's pick a poor player"

FOS: ZONEACE

. If you

are

town, you should think about rereading your last post and retracting it. You should frankly be ashamed of typing such obvious rubbish.

[dybeck]

It occurs to me that since scum groups can't NK each other, it's not necessarily in their best interests to kill each other.

Which might explain why so many people in this game are on board with such obviously bad lynches.

There's every chance that town is in the

minority

here, and facing off against a LOT of scum. So everyone needs to be careful they're not blindly following the crowd.

[dybeck]

Prodded players need to come back and take a long look at Cephrir's posts throughout this game so far.

[dybeck]

haha yeah I was suspicious of everyone voting Karen, along with being suspicious of Karen! We all admit she was pretty scummy!

No we don't. Please don't infer that I'm as bad a player as the rest of these idiots.

[dybeck]

Sorry... not lurking... been out of town since Saturday without proper net access...

FOS: davidangelsummers

. Lynch all liars. That's not his girlfriend - I've seen that picture before in a Scandinavian porn video i used to own.

[dybeck]

I'd really like to see the non-voting players show their colours by casting a vote. I think at this stage it would tell us a lot.

I'm starting to think it's told me a bit about davidangelsummers.

[dybeck]

Ooh are we doing lists?

1) Cephrir
2) ZONEACE
3) davidangelsummers

[dybeck]

I think that there are several scum on Green Day's wagon.

[dybeck]

ZONEACE, actually, a simple majority is what we need.

Most of us our pro-town, and want to lynch scum. Some of us are scum, and want to lynch town. What we don't want is the scum to form a consensus.

I'd prefer everyone to make up their own minds and vote accordingly - not to be led into joining the concensus by people who may not even be town.

[dybeck]

Is there anyone who feels lynching Green Day would be a bad idea?

[dybeck]

Is there anyone who feels lynching Green Day would be a bad idea?

In general, no, but if we're wrong about him, then yes.

If we get a few more people to give their input (who haven't input much lately), i'll gladly put my vote back on him.

This is the most useless post ever. You say, you think voting him is a good idea UNLESS he's not scum.

Well no shit.

Ugh, the more and more you post Zoneface, the more and more scummy you look to me.

QFT.

[dybeck]

It would seem not.

[dybeck]

Your attempt to derail both the inevitable bnandwagons of today is noted, Blight.

[dybeck]

Good questions.

[dybeck]

To keep the game going- Cephrir, could you explain your case against Dybeck?

I too would like to hear this.

[dybeck]

Suggesting that people who wagoned Karen yesterday might be scum is scummy?

Nonsense.

[dybeck]

Suggesting that people who wagoned Karen yesterday might be scum is scummy?

Nonsense.

It's a minor scumtell, admittedly, but it is a scumtell nonetheless

No. It really isn't.

The Karen bandwagon was utterly BASELESS, and those who leapt on it so readily are suspicious in the extreme. Pointing out this fact, with the intention of lynching some of them, is PROTOWN. It is not scummy. It is necessary.

[dybeck]

Yeah, I reread it today, and it had a strong base. She told Flyinghawk that the town would lynch him for voting her, she gave a FOS on CA without reasoning, she came up with stupid arguements (fingers shaking?), and she didn't defend herself well. As an example- she voted herself and said it was stacked against the town. ON DAY 1, WITH NO NIGHT, when we knew nothing. She continued to attract attention and she got lynched. The wagon made a lot of sense.

the wagon made sense if you were simple minded or mafia.

QFT.

[dybeck]

I may just sit back and see which innocent you run up today.

With about two exceptions, you lot could possibly be the most incompetent scumhunters I've ever been in a game with.

I sincerely believe you wouldn't know a scumtell if it jumped up and attempted to bite you on the ass, and then congratulated the doctor for saving you from the collective bitten ass.

[dybeck]

i want to hear more from Cephrir.

[dybeck]

FOS: Blight

I

think that we could use some more discussion today. If we'd had more discussion yesterday, we'd have had a better lynch.

To blindly stumble into another lynch for no good reason is stupid beyond belief. Not to mention scummy.

[dybeck]

Lynching Green Day is slightly less idiotic than Karen, but this day is FAR from over. Let's see what happens when his replacement posts his defence. To suggest that we should lynch before a replacement is found is just likely to leave us in the dark again tomorrow.

Mod

: Can we cancel this deadline please?

[dybeck]

I'd like to see everyone show some colors and cast a vote. Especially the non-voters that are also scum.

[dybeck]

Seconded.

[dybeck]

Chocolate... Whilst I applaud your decision, I'm uncomfortable with your reasons.

[dybeck]

Could either Dybeck, CKD, Killerbob, or Twomz please give a detailed reason as to why voting Cephrir is better than voting the Absentee Thorn?

At this point, voting Thorn looks like the easy way out(he's defenless due to not posting) and so I'd like to take a look at Cephrir again. I remember seeing some scummy things to his gameplay earlier on, But lately I haven't been able to pick up the same vibe.

His desperation to get a pro-towner lynched yesterday with minimal discussion. And his attempts to do the same today. Although, I agree, that seems to be the strategy of half the people in this game.

And voting for someone just because they're not here to defend themselves is stupid. We need more discussion, not less. And we want to hear the defences, because it gives us more info.

Mod: can we have a retraction please until we get a replacement!

[dybeck]

If I don't survive the night, lynch ZONEACE for that blatant opportunism.

Cephrir and Zoneace.

Yeah? Cephrir and Zoneace. Seriously.

[dybeck]

Maybe if you did a little more voting and a little less quiet contemplation we wouldn't be blundering around like we are now.

[dybeck]

VOTE: ZONEACE

Seriously, you guys, you really need to start listening to me. We can't keep lynching town.

I'm slightly concerned that most of you aren't town now though

[dybeck]

Yeah... I'm the scummy one round here.

Try again, Cephrir.

[dybeck]

Why Zoneace, Dybeck, over Cephrir?

They both need to die. I'm totally happy with either.

[dybeck]

Kanaga, seriously, they're not town.

And I don't think that casting the first vote is making a quicklynch

[dybeck]

You'll note, of course, that I never said that you two were responsible solely for the lynch.

I'm content with your votes being on me, though. I'm certain people will see them for exactly what they are.

[dybeck]

Honey, please read my posts.

I'm voting you for your clear opportunism in ending the day as quickly as you did, when it was clear that more discussion was required. I believe you did it to save your scumbuddy from lynch.

[dybeck]

There are no townies acting scummy.

There are scum and a suggestible town.

[dybeck]

unvote, vote: Cephrir

Zoneace and Cephrir are both scum, but Cephrir is more annoying.

[dybeck]

Cephrir... a word to the wise...

If you have any hope of saving your scummy ass, you'd be better off bussing one of your scummates. At least, try not to turn on the most clearly pro-town acting people in the game.

[dybeck]

mod: can we have some prods on the non-posting members of this game please?

[dybeck]

Although I think we can all agree that most people on those wagons were probably scum, no?

There are, after all, an inordinately large amount of scum here.

[dybeck]

Everyone needs to listen to curiouskarmadog.

Hell, people actually reading the thread would be a start. We still need those prods.

[dybeck]

ChocolateAttack. If he's voting based upon a gut feeling, why should he give any other reason?

It's a perfectly valid reason to vote someone.

And it's not like Zoneace isn't scum. I'm rather starting to believe he's scum with you, actually. And that's gut too.

[dybeck]

Of course it's perfectly valid.

It doesn't help you to decide whether or not to vote him, and it wouldn't srtand up in a court of law. But we all need to vote the person we think it most likely to be scum. And if all we have to go on is instinct and hunches, then that's how we vote.

[dybeck]

Lol... you had "a case" on me?

Go on... tell me again...

What's your "case" on CKD.

Does it begin with "OMG" and end in "suck"?