New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Zachstralkita]

I would be willing to hammer Nosferatu.

Let's Bob the Builder that motherfucker.

Or we can implode implosion.

[Zachstralkita]

OK, I don 't wanna vote Nos now.

and I'm the one being difficult..

[Zachstralkita]

It's okay! VOTE: implosion

[Zachstralkita]

@Zach OBJECTION !
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@Wake I think those are good observations in your reads list on a few folks, and I can concur that Nos has been void of substance in his ISO, and for no good reason.

As for Sick, I found this post stood out in his ISO , and I 'd like to hear him tell us how his thought processes are working. So far I can't tell how he's arriving at his conclusions.

I'm not getting into the Zach v Titus. Not worth my time right now.

Right now: VOTE: Dunnstral.

Every time he posts I like him less and less.

Just dismisses a big piece of d1 and votes an entirely different person. Hmm.

At that point in time Dunnstral wasn't exactly a bad vote from his perspective considering how much of a balloon animal Dunnstral was being.

Dunn: " They're both town "

Nos might not be

Can we outline why Implosian is mafia like I'm 14 years old please

When I get to my computer working tonight I'll case him

OK, I don 't wanna vote Nos now.

and I'm the one being difficult..

Yeah, Nos was compromising. Then Wake wanted it and I don't trust Wake at all.

You go first on Implosion, I'l supplement.

i did

[Zachstralkita]

Performer you're going to need to hire performers to perform at your funeral if you keep up with that Transc- oh I already explained it to you... whatever





I'M IN THE TRAP I'M PLAYING PS2 WITH A JUNKIE.. (PAIN IN MY LIFE!)

[Zachstralkita]

@Wake yes, but iirc, there's no wagon on Nos so it wouldnt' be as productive as the one I'm with now. If there's a wagon on him , I could move to that though.
@Zach LOL . I've considered this, because it would be fun. I grew up in a bleak setting. I don't want to die and the people are sobbing and sad. Once I am dead, I want them to celebrate and performers are a way of doing that. I want them to not only think of the bad times being overcome, but to rejoice about the good times.

That was way too deep for me right now mane. I want them to play Illmatic at my funeral and the entry fee is a blunt.

[Zachstralkita]

Zach can you do Sick of it?

Nope.

[Zachstralkita]

Go ahead and sheep your fellow mason. I will rally the good denizens of this town for the opposing wagon.

[Zachstralkita]

Zach can you do sickofit?

There's something about you. and I'm sick. of it.

Zach, here's a column of players.

Dunnstral
Titus
Performer
Nosferatu
Podoboq

From top to bottom, could you rearrange the column from least willing to lynch to most?

Performer
Podoboq
Nosferatu

Top to bottom, least to most.

Dunnstral and Titus are omitted for today because this fucking mason shit and I don't think I'll get anyone to actually lynch lynch Titus.

[Zachstralkita]

Could you vote Nos and if not why please?

Yeah, sure.

VOTE: Nosferatu

[Zachstralkita]

Wake we can save the Titus/Dunn fiasco for another day.


Oh goodie, a sub-out. Dunn this game is reminding me of that TrueGent shit.

[Zachstralkita]

sorry, I'm just in too many games.

replacing out

rip my replacement for having to read through all this.

pedit: or you guys could lynch me, that could happen too.

Is this an invitation? This doesn't sound towny.

Hey, nice of you to pop in. You're scaring me.

[Zachstralkita]

Wake we can save the Titus/Dunn fiasco for another day.


Oh goodie, a sub-out. Dunn this game is reminding me of that TrueGent shit.

TrueGent?

Myself and Dunnstral played a game on MafiaUniverse.

Day 1 I wagoned the shit out of this dude called TrueGent because he put me off. He subs out and his replacement comes in. I continue to wagon him.

They don't allow you to discuss sub outs on that site, which I think is bullshit, but nevertheless I ask the mod " hey, is it allowed to talk about how the replacement MAKES the person scum?" just as a hypothetical and I get modkilled. I flip VT and what do you fucking know? Dude's replacement flips scum. Ironically my modkill worked as an angleshot for HIS lynch.

[Zachstralkita]

sorry, I'm just in too many games.

replacing out

rip my replacement for having to read through all this.

pedit: or you guys could lynch me, that could happen too.

Is this an invitation? This doesn't sound towny.

that's a loaded question. If you guys were still looking for scum, ^^^^^.

This is the worst fucking shit I've ever seen.

[Zachstralkita]

sorry, I'm just in too many games.

replacing out

rip my replacement for having to read through all this.

pedit: or you guys could lynch me, that could happen too.

Is this an invitation? This doesn't sound towny.

that's a loaded question. If you guys were still looking for scum, ^^^^^.

This is the worst fucking shit I've ever seen.

Thoughts on the people refusing to vote him?

They need to get their shit together. I feel like a Capri-Sun straw hole pre-poke.

Wake we can save the Titus/Dunn fiasco for another day.


Oh goodie, a sub-out. Dunn this game is reminding me of that TrueGent shit.

TrueGent?

Myself and Dunnstral played a game on MafiaUniverse.

Day 1 I wagoned the shit out of this dude called TrueGent because he put me off. He subs out and his replacement comes in. I continue to wagon him.

They don't allow you to discuss sub outs on that site, which I think is bullshit, but nevertheless I ask the mod " hey, is it allowed to talk about how the replacement MAKES the person scum?" just as a hypothetical and I get modkilled. I flip VT and what do you fucking know? Dude's replacement flips scum. Ironically my modkill worked as an angleshot for HIS lynch.

We can.

I forgot to mention my modkill sparked a huge ass thread on that rule. I think you can discuss subs there now.

[Zachstralkita]

sorry, I'm just in too many games.

replacing out

rip my replacement for having to read through all this.

pedit: or you guys could lynch me, that could happen too.

Is this an invitation? This doesn't sound towny.

that's a loaded question. If you guys were still looking for scum, ^^^^^.

Loaded questions are more like " Hey, how often do you beat your wife?" or " Did your elbow hurt after you shot John F. Kennedy?"

For someone who doesn't have time to spend in this thread, it would seem you have... time to spend in this thread when it's deflecting people off your scummy ass. Au revoir.

[Zachstralkita]

Boem gives me that feeling you have when there's a serial killer living on your block. His outward appearance is very nice, but for some strange reason I'm a little less sure of him than I am of other people.

Lapsa is OK.

[Zachstralkita]

"I feel like he's coasting by posting infrequently" there's like 8 other people you can slap that on to

Right but yet for some reason it is impossible to get the three of us to agree on a wagon.

That's because Dunn closed his eyes and just threw darts at names for his scum/town list.

[Zachstralkita]

Okay I'm going to take a very cozy nap when I come back some progress will have been made. Yezzz.

[Zachstralkita]

Actually gonna phone post til I doze

As usual Dunn is wasting more time than a clock belt

[Zachstralkita]

Actually gonna phone post til I doze

As usual Dunn is wasting more time than a clock belt

No I'm not, people keep getting in the way of my scumhunting

All you vote is town I don't want to hear that

Nos is the lynch let's go

[Zachstralkita]

Actually gonna phone post til I doze

As usual Dunn is wasting more time than a clock belt

No I'm not, people keep getting in the way of my scumhunting

All you vote is town I don't want to hear that

Nos is the lynch let's go

Nos isn't on my list, so no.

It's a shame you don't control the course of the game all by your lonesome LMAO

[Zachstralkita]

Dunn wants to lynch my townreads and doesn't want to lynch implosion, Titus I'm not going to try to work with him. You can go ahead and do that.

[Zachstralkita]

Why exactly are you opposed to lynching Nosferatu?

[Zachstralkita]

of course this is the lynch u go for

[Zachstralkita]

bc hes mostly like town

ok where's those cases @ since you're at your computer

[Zachstralkita]

No point in doing Titus from my point of view anymore

The fact that you even bothered to say this makes me want to hijack a school bus full of Martian puppies and crash it into a fucking volcano

& u and titus wonder why people SR YOu LMFAOOOO

[Zachstralkita]

No point in doing Titus from my point of view anymore

The fact that you even bothered to say this makes me want to hijack a school bus full of Martian puppies and crash it into a fucking volcano

& u and titus wonder why people SR YOu LMFAOOOO

The fact we don't waste time on the obvious angers you?

There was no real need for him to mention how he didn't waste time, obviously I wasn't going to ask him " HEY WHERE'S YOUR FUCKING TITUS CASE "

@Zach, you think I am town. You're town. The players on our wagons mostly changed. His stayed put. He has done little to no scumhunting to me and Wake is distancing from Sick of it. sick of it has taken soft easy positions.

oh ya....

Hey shannon, what are your other reads right now actually? (I understand you're feeling overwhelmed by the likes of Zach)

What the fuck are you talking about G that's not even where my vote's at right now, unless you're talking about my Fallout NV Terrifying Presence perk

[Zachstralkita]

oh ya....

Are you serious, you were just being antagonistic because it was me?

Good interpretation but not correct calm down sip some Nyquil

obviously I wasn't going to ask him

See here's your problem: You think everything is about you

She said " The fact we don't waste time on the obvious angers you?" the question was directed at me.

[Zachstralkita]

And by the way I took that information on why you guys are voting Sickofit and processed it, that's all well and good but I'm more comfortable with where I'm at right now

[Zachstralkita]

That being said I am acting a bit self-centered so I'll hang back til people post more

[Zachstralkita]

Rope Nos or imp. I'm not feeling wake rn Sick

[Zachstralkita]

What does that have to do with anything Lapsa, you realize those posts are more than 600 posts apart?

[Zachstralkita]

Umm Nos did gather heat and has a wagon. He subbed out so someone more engaged could play. That's townie.

I would have started laughing if I was less asleep. Hahahaha.



Wake is town everybody, can we please cease these votes on him? What I labeled him as scum for is actually wonky town behavior



Performer, you interpreted that post incorrectly. He asked me to make a list from those players, least to most scum, top to bottom. You are the most town out of that list in that post, so what the fuck did you say I called you scum for?

[Zachstralkita]

And the award for worst push 2019 goes to... Performer!

[Zachstralkita]

Because they claimed mason. It's a clusterfuck to get into when you start doubting the legitimacy of said claim, we can get into that another day.

[Zachstralkita]

I do not have Varsoon meta, never played with him.


Transcend obvtown , Dunn's status depends on Titus' status so their town today

Fym thoughts on Pere and Air? The two players who don't post.

[Zachstralkita]

They're

[Zachstralkita]

Sick AND Wake? You guys come up with the worst fucking lynches ever. Why. Why can't you do something good.

[Zachstralkita]

@Performer, How would you explain the near townslip deal?

??

Zach what's your read on imp? I'm kidding about him being a tr btw .

another prospective lynch

[Zachstralkita]

Hey, did you guys start a club without me? No fair.

[Zachstralkita]

Because they claimed mason. It's a clusterfuck to get into when you start doubting the legitimacy of said claim, we can get into that another day.

The annoying thing is that I'm pretty much compelled to agree with you.
As little as I like Dunn AND Titus' play, the Mason claim ensures that the weaklings on this site would never lynch them without an equally strong role-claim contesting theirs. It's lame, but people like to play it painfully safe.

I'm very sure we'll have plenty of opportunities to lynch them later, as much as they go on about how obvtown they are.

[Zachstralkita]

Looking back I'm really not a fan of AGar's content post. He attacks Titus largely for pushing with empty reasoning, when he himself in his post gives very little reasoning for much of what he says (he cites posts 89, 367-368, 370-376, 387 and possibly more as bad or terrible or etc but gives no justification, as though those 10+ posts are self-evidently scummy [which they aren't]). In assessing Titus's 447, he immediately jumps to the worst possible interpretation:

Are you really saying because you did something one time in a game when you were scum, that this means he's scum?

when it's fairly evident, I think, that Titus is simply saying that it

can

be scum and attacking it for reasons other than her having done it as scum once (calling it LAMIST) together with the fact that

Titus had already been pushing Zach

which pretty clearly indicates that Titus wasn't pushing Zach with the logic of "I did this once as scum therefore you're doing it as scum." This jumping to the worst possible interpretation of things, IMO, indicates a lack of intellectual honesty in evaluating information, which in turn indicates scum.

His 876 is the worst post ever and nothing he did after that managed to convince me otherwise.

[Zachstralkita]

I still don't get why I'm scum, was I never a townread of yours or did I happen to be scum simply because I " thought " you were scum?

[Zachstralkita]

For all the hype leading up to it, Dunnstral's "case" on Varsoon was utterly shit.

[Zachstralkita]

For all the hype leading up to it, Dunnstral's "case" on Varsoon was utterly shit.

Yeah, so let's lynch Dunnstral so we can be done with this day.

Besides you and me who is ACTUALLY going to help that wagon get to L-0

[Zachstralkita]

Well, no one, but that's because we haven't counter-claimed masons yet.

I think we can't sidestep this any further, mason buddy.

[Zachstralkita]

Well, no one, but that's because we haven't counter-claimed masons yet.

I think we can't sidestep this any further, mason buddy.

I was REALLY hoping we wouldn't have to out like this.
I crumbed it in my first post, too. :/

I think the legitimacy of our out is overshadowed by the doubt of almost everyone in the game along with Titus and Dunnstral's competing c laim.


In any case, I'll take " Lynch Dunnstral " for 500.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Zachstralkita]

I was going to let Titus and Dunnstral have fun with it for a little, but now their fun is becoming too obstructive to handle.

[Zachstralkita]

I admit, Varsoon, I kinda botched our original " out Day 2 " setup.

All those false interactions I fostered with Titus to make her think I was useless.

God damn it.

[Zachstralkita]

@Performer: PRs are important, but the site-meta trends to favoring mechanics far heavier than rhetoric, so much so that the rhetoric of the game often becomes superseded by the mechanics. Claiming masons only renders any sort of leverage to the slots because people think the mechanical advantage of (possible) masons is stronger than any rhetoric that could be thrown down. Even if they are lying about being masons, the fear that we'd lose such a mechanical advantage keeps players from voting there, even when the claimed masons are bringing garbage to the table, rhetorically.

-The odds of it being a scum gambit are so horrifically low. The risk/reward of claiming masons on d1 as scum is absolutely terrible.
.

Scum Dunnstral and Titus (Ditus if you will, the other one sounds kinda wrong)'s reward has far exceeded the risk if they gain your trust Day 1. Which they have.

Except, the chances of you being scum with them is moderate.

[Zachstralkita]

@Performer: PRs are important, but the site-meta trends to favoring mechanics far heavier than rhetoric, so much so that the rhetoric of the game often becomes superseded by the mechanics. Claiming masons only renders any sort of leverage to the slots because people think the mechanical advantage of (possible) masons is stronger than any rhetoric that could be thrown down. Even if they are lying about being masons, the fear that we'd lose such a mechanical advantage keeps players from voting there, even when the claimed masons are bringing garbage to the table, rhetorically.

-The odds of it being a scum gambit are so horrifically low. The risk/reward of claiming masons on d1 as scum is absolutely terrible.
.

Scum Dunnstral and Titus (Ditus if you will, the other one sounds kinda wrong)'s reward has far exceeded the risk if they gain your trust Day 1. Which they have.

Except, the chances of you being scum with them is moderate.

100% false
they will lose my trust iteratively as days go on
and then

scum are down two players with almost nothing to gain

First of all, get that 100% out of here you can't fabricate statistics like that.

2) " as days go on " this implies you will be alive as the days go on, which a townie certainly cannot know because we don't know who's going to try to kill us and when, and then we're dead. Thanks for scumclaiming though.

3) nothing to gain is false, I'm sure Ditus could have accomplished a lot if myself and Varsoon hadn't let this little farce go on.

[Zachstralkita]

I don't even care if they are scum. there's no reason at all to try to lynch them today.

Oh man, oh man... you actually did it. You actually said those words in that sequential order. RIP

[Zachstralkita]

And given the large setup which means more scum and the fact that you guys are voting people like Wake and Sickofit(originally me) means that even if they do lose two, the rest of the scum have it quite cozy and I imagine they believe you will never find them.

implosion, what you believe and don't is irrelevant to me. I've already factored this into the equation.

I don't even care if they are scum. there's no reason at all to try to lynch them today.

Oh man, oh man... you actually did it. You actually said those words in that sequential order. RIP

key word
today

this is still a blatant anti-town post, if you have scum on day 1 page 1 post 2 you nail those fuckers to the wall. you do not let them thrive.

[Zachstralkita]

this is still a blatant anti-town post, if you have scum on day 1 page 1 post 2 you nail those fuckers to the wall. you do not let them thrive.

it has been a really fucking long time since i ahve raged in a mafia game but you are seriously bringing me close

Each inhale is 1. Breathe in and out until you get to 10 and restart.

[Zachstralkita]

it's literally like before you've read the words in my post, you assume that what i've written is scum motivated and then apply that to what i've written

zach if you are town for fuck's sake have some intellectual honesty and try to fucking understand the points i'm making

Inhale. Count to four.

Exhale. Count to 4.

You are on a picturesque mountain top with no possessions.

[Zachstralkita]

I'll have to back up my partner on this one. The higher risk you take, the higher reward and the chances of a miracle happening increase exponentially. It's the Devil's Roulette.

Well, no one, but that's because we haven't counter-claimed masons yet.

I think we can't sidestep this any further, mason buddy.

I was REALLY hoping we wouldn't have to out like this.
I crumbed it in my first post, too. :/

I think the legitimacy of our out is overshadowed by the doubt of almost everyone in the game along with Titus and Dunnstral's competing c laim.


In any case, I'll take " Lynch Dunnstral " for 500.

VOTE: Dunnstral

What happened to townreading me?

I was pretending to not be a mason for a little bit but some things happened I got excited and here we are, thrust right into the middle of it

[Zachstralkita]

They're not actually claiming masons guys, don't be dumb

Quit flailing.

I have honestly found setup spec post-massclaim to be the most accurate means of scumhunting empirically. And a massclaim will eventually happen.

Okay fortune teller, and I'm assuming you know what day page and post it will happen as well? Oh, and you'll also be alive?



Another thing to indicate Ditus scum is they constantly referred to themselves as masons and expected you all to lap it up like deprived goldfish tossed into a 4cm puddle. Strongarmed, if you will.

" Masons " can also be mafia-aligned and there's nothing from the mod to suggest that if Ditus' claim holds true, they're not. The fact that myself and Varsoon are masons aligned with the town makes the Ditus mason team being town a way less stronger possibility.

[Zachstralkita]

Guys

You realize they're not actually counter claiming masons?

Have some context and read the whole thread

What part of " ruse " do you not understand?

Here.



Varsoon and I weren't originally going to take this route, but shit happened.

" Masons " can also be mafia-aligned

No they can't because this is a normal game

So you're scum then.

[Zachstralkita]

Hmm, what's the probability of them claiming mason as towns?
I think cop should check one of them to make sure.

If the cop should check anyone, it's one of Dunnstral/Titus.

" Masons " can also be mafia-aligned

No they can't because this is a normal game

Zach what the??? Scum Masons in a normal & balanced game???? This looks very fishy from you .

@Boem my invite to imp, extends to you as well.

ok hold your horsies I knew what masons were but I didn't know their normal status until... a little while ago

[Zachstralkita]

You realize they're not actually counter claiming masons?

did i miss something? who's the second one?

Yours truly.

[Zachstralkita]

That was a lie. I never had an idea what's going on and I still don't.

You kept up the appearance that you did, which I applaud.

Be a pal and be the kerosene to my Dunnstral tinder.

[Zachstralkita]

By the way, if I put on my implosion thinking cap, there's no way Varsoon and I can be scum (there's no way we were scum in the first place, but I digress) because WHAT 2 SCUM COUNTER CLAIM MASONS??

[Zachstralkita]

By the way, if I put on my implosion thinking cap, there's no way Varsoon and I can be scum (there's no way we were scum in the first place, but I digress) because WHAT 2 SCUM COUNTER CLAIM MASONS??

I think Dunnstral mentioned this could be Werewolf/Mafia/Town setup. Hmhm.

Dunnstral was being a blatant memer how is HE of all people going to know what factions the setup entails

[Zachstralkita]

Yeah it can

I said 3 mafia, 3 werewolf, and a bunch of town PR's

We've got me and Titus masons

There's probably a vigilante (not a serial killer because there are already two anti-town factions in this scenario)

and a few prs because it's a 19 person set-up

Zach doesn't realize that we're going to get orbitally struck down by 2 night kills here (vig won't shoot me or titus)

You have no basis to call 3 werewolf. What strain of crack are you tinfoiling this evening?

The other possibility is like, 4 mafia, 1 serial killer, 1 vigillante, and masons?

Zach doesn't know but having like three night kills in these here large setups is the NORM

so what you're doing right now is called MAKING AN ASSUMPTION

[Zachstralkita]

Which setups are even possible? Is there a list somewhere?

setup guess

This is all you need to take in from this post.

[Zachstralkita]

You kept up the appearance that you did, which I applaud.

ha. you're such a weakling, zach

Run my fade

Dunnstral had Lapsa on the same tier as Titus when he did a reads list early in game and I'd like a reason why, that must mean you are both IC levels of clear but if Titus is Dunnstral's mason partner what is Lapsa's reason for being on the same tier in the reads list?

[Zachstralkita]

...?

I'ma sking if you really see a "connection" between them when it's obvious they were faking and memeing

Who's faking what?

You kept up the appearance that you did, which I applaud.

ha. you're such a weakling, zach

Run my fade

Dunnstral had Lapsa on the same tier as Titus when he did a reads list early in game and I'd like a reason why, that must mean you are both IC levels of clear but if Titus is Dunnstral's mason partner what is Lapsa's reason for being on the same tier in the reads list?

I was trying to mask Titus?

Go back, read my iso, look how many times I said "lapsa is town" compared to "Titus is town"

You say it a few times

that's also a very bullshit answer it has to do with how you structured your " reads list" , if you did it differently there would be no need to " mask " Titus

[Zachstralkita]

Are you serious Lapsa?

Varsoon and Zach are fake claiming as mason. (and weren't even trying to be taken seriously!)

Me and Titus are actual masons.

Dunnstral saying this is inherently fallacious. Before we claimed Varsoon was scum to him, now we're only town because it fits his agenda ( or what would you propose? Scum and Town claiming mason together? Get the fuck out of here.)

[Zachstralkita]

Lapsa, look at Zach's initial reactions to our mason claim. Tell me that comes from a mason ready to counterclaim? I'm waiting.

I wasn't READY to counterclaim, if you read my posts the plan was to OUT DAY 2

I think I was wrong about Lapsa being town. Stay tuned

lol after the random townread on lapsa the entire game

[Zachstralkita]

Fuck this shit, let's just get Nosferatu or Sickofit out of the game and discuss this bullshit tomorrow after we see nightkills.

Are you voting Nos? I'll switch if his wagon picks up speed.

[Zachstralkita]

Fuck this shit, let's just get Nosferatu or Sickofit out of the game and discuss this bullshit tomorrow after we see nightkills.

Are you voting Nos? I'll switch if his wagon picks up speed.

Switch to sickofit

Never happening

Before we claimed Varsoon was scum to him, now we're only town because it fits his agenda

WHERE DID I SAY VARSOON WAS TOWN?

Then you're saying Varsoon is scum, I'm town and we just happened to claim mason together? Again, what strain of crack?

[Zachstralkita]

My explanations appear to be insufficient for you, I'll let my fellow mason take over.

[Zachstralkita]

I never said you were town either, Zach. Though that might be the case (but I never said it!)

Zach is possibly town

This is a step up from when you tunneled me for the first few phases of the game, but I guess anyone can get out of a bind if they throw the right words around

Side note: Myself and Varsoon are ranked the same on Dunn's graph. This does not add up if I'm " possibly town " to him and Varsoon is " scum. "

[Zachstralkita]

Like I'm dead tonight anyway

Scum can't NK themselves..

[Zachstralkita]

Like I'm dead tonight anyway

Why would scum kill a mason when your flip would just conf the other mason. It's counterproductive, scum would want to work off of the doubtcasting of your claim

A REAL mason would know this.

[Zachstralkita]

Like I'm dead tonight anyway

Why would scum kill a mason when your flip would just conf the other mason. It's counterproductive, scum would want to work off of the doubtcasting of your claim

A REAL mason would know this.

I don't know maybe the masons have good reads and yours are shit...

My reads def aren't shit, I'm dubious of your+Dunnstral's reads, however

And why are you referring to the "masons" and me like we're two different people? I

[Zachstralkita]

Like I'm dead tonight anyway

Why would scum kill a mason when your flip would just conf the other mason. It's counterproductive, scum would want to work off of the doubtcasting of your claim

A REAL mason would know this.

I don't know maybe the masons have good reads and yours are shit...

My reads def aren't shit, I'm dubious of your+Dunnstral's reads, however

And why are you referring to the "masons" and me like we're two different people? I

I am not. Like wholly fuck. Masons and the word we are interchangeable. That's sarcastic snark.

You must have misinterpreted my statement. And along the way you seem to have given yourself the belief that you yourself happen to be a mason.


(I'm not going to comment on wholly)

[Zachstralkita]

[Varsoon]

Town

Transcend
AGar
Lapsa
Boem_u_dusi
Sickofit
Wake88


Null
[Everyone not included on either list]

Scumlean

implosion
shannon

Scum

Ditus/Tunnstral
Nosferatu
PereV



[Airick10]

[Zachstralkita]

And give a real read on varsoon

My mason partner is naturally conf..

bump me up to town

haha

[Zachstralkita]

I don't think Zach really believes I'm mafia

Therefore he is mafia himself

Impressive logic, how do you get a scholarship to Titus academy?


Also, Performer is more on the scumlean side if I'm being quite honest. He asks a lot of questions but I'm not so sure if the intent is for information gathering or to look town.

[Zachstralkita]

Ok. Who is a viable lynchf or today, in your eyes, excluding me and Titus?

Gee I haven't already said this 86 fucking times. N O S .



or shannon or imploder

@Zach, Holy crap your reads are bad. Like terrible.

Except when your lynches flip town you'll be looking for someone to blame... perhaps call everyone dumb town again

[Zachstralkita]

@Zach, Holy crap your reads are bad. Like terrible.

Are we not going to bring up that when your wagon existed, 4 people on your wagon comprised most of your scumreads?

You and Dunn have been pushing shitty lynches all game and this is no fault of mine.

[Zachstralkita]

Zach's been pushing mislynch after mislynch while I'v ebeen planted firmly on my one true scumread: Airick10

Despite the memes Sickofit, Varsoon, whoever the fuck else you voted are bad lynches and you should feel bad.

[Zachstralkita]

Why do you have more posts than me? Is this perhaps indicative of your alignment...?

You brought this up early game but never once made a move on it. And you're not going to make a move on it now.


It means you're trying to spout random bullshit that looks like you're doing something.

Or at least this is the appearance it gives off, so you may want to reconsider.

[Zachstralkita]

A50's also most likely town

[Zachstralkita]

Why do you have more posts than me? Is this perhaps indicative of your alignment...?

You brought this up early game but never once made a move on it. And you're not going to make a move on it now.


It means you're trying to spout random bullshit that looks like you're doing something.

Or at least this is the appearance it gives off, so you may want to reconsider.

Stop deflecting

Why post so much this game?

I'm not deflecting shit, cause I feel like it.




Also Titus had me as definite scum when she was, you know, tunneling me on a whim but I'm town now.

[Zachstralkita]

You randomly feel like posting over FOUR times as much as you do when you're town

OK

Yep, and you're not going to do jack shit about it.

[Zachstralkita]

You randomly feel like posting over FOUR times as much as you do when you're town

OK

Yep, and you're not going to do jack shit about it.

Watch me.

Watch you what? Fumble around trying to look useful?

[Zachstralkita]

AAAAaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAaa

Vig shoot Zach.

Dunnstral: Vig waste your shot.

[Zachstralkita]

You may as well claim now; you're getting shot.

I already claimed mason, you better stop ducking Lapsa

[Zachstralkita]

You may as well claim now; you're getting shot.

I already claimed mason, you better stop ducking Lapsa

Yeah you claimed Doctor once too, we know how that went

Stop deflecting

[Zachstralkita]

Transcend and AGar are blatant town, plus AGar is like the third voice of reason amidst this shitstorm. Sickofit is mislynch bait.

I said after I posted that that Performer should be scummier.

[Zachstralkita]

Transcend and AGar are blatant town, plus AGar is like the third voice of reason amidst this shitstorm. Sickofit is mislynch bait.

I said after I posted that that Performer should be scummier.

So you think Transcend is blatant town? Why? And why do you think our interaction was town/town?

We might as well call him Townscend. I'm familiar with his tone and believe if he wanted to play a decent scum game he'd at least try to put on the image that he gives half a fuck about how he appears in his posts. Your interaction was good, I think your doubt of him was genuine.

Also, that's a weird question. If I have both of you as town, what else would I think of the interaction as?

[Zachstralkita]

In which case I have no clue who the mafia is

Probably all the lurkers, at once

^ from the guy that refuses to vote Nos this is scum behavior at his finest we might as well fucking cage you put up a camera and film a documentary and put it on Scumtional Scumographic

[Zachstralkita]

In which case I have no clue who the mafia is

Probably all the lurkers, at once

Go with Titus and push town, you seem to not have a problem doing that so far

[Zachstralkita]

nah zach might be town

Might be, could be, possibly

He leaves so much wiggle room in his statements that they're really not statements at all, they're just superficial lines of text

ZACH I'M TOWN stop

Retract your mason claim now

[Zachstralkita]

You retract yours bud

[Zachstralkita]

Zach you are interfering with my scum hunting, once again.

YOU ARE NOT SCUM HUNTING. YOU ARE TOWN HUNTING.

die.

[Zachstralkita]

Who do you want to see roped, Boem?

Sickofit or Nosferatu. Wasn't I clear about that?

He doesn't actually care about your answer he just wanted to... ask a question

[Zachstralkita]

OK. I am "town hunting"

Except you should know by now that I like to gather a bunch of town reads and work my way down

what you're doing is gathering a bunch of ? tho and working your way toward town lynches

[Zachstralkita]

Hey zach how about you stop flooding the thread (which I am also guilty of) and decide on a non-me lynch that I will approve of, that Titus will also approve of

Why would I... do anything you tell me?



Hey mason buddy, I think everyone here is confused.

[Zachstralkita]

I'm not your mason Buddy, Titus is mine, you appear to be confused as well

I was talking to Varsoon seeing as he just appeared in-thread.


Seriously, drugs aren't for you.

[Zachstralkita]

Zach don't act like I can't get you killed, by the way.

You can't and you won't LOL it's so cute when you threaten me

[Zachstralkita]

I think I've played with Zach enough to recognize he's not a town player in this arrangement

So I'm scum then? and you're not voting me LMFAO

[Zachstralkita]

Zach has enough experience to know this. I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

Zach has never played in a game with a mason in it.

This does not factor into.. anything unfortunately

[Zachstralkita]

This has got to be the stupidest game of mafia ever.

Scum please dayvig me and save me from this. This game is a chore given scum and dumb town spam.

Getting anyone to work together in this is impossible.

This is rich lol. When you lynch someone Titus doesn't want you to or oppose her points you're either dumb town or scum then she accuses us of " not working together "



When you give Dunnstral BOTD who does he vote? Fucking Sickofit.

[Zachstralkita]

Command to Varsoon, requesting backup we are in a hot zone over

[Zachstralkita]

However, lynching among you four gives us two confirmed scum.

No it doesn't, any way you slice it

YES IT DOES

If you and Titus are fake claiming, and we wagon any of the four of you, admit it before the hammer.
If Varsoon and Zach are fake claiming, and we wagon any of the four of you, they should admit it before the hammer.

If any of the four of you don't admit the fake claim, and allow a lynch on the assumption that the four of you are all telling the truth about being masons, you are deliberately allowing town to lynch somebody based on a lie. The only reason you would do that is if you're scum.

Number of times I've had to explain this to Dunnstral: 3

You'll have to explain it a couple more times to him, he soaks in information like a......aardvark

You'd rather vote NOS


Don't act like that's miles above a sickofit vote

It's a fucking billion lightyears ahead of it because Nos(Now Vedith) is scum and I've already said Sickofit is a mislynch.

[Zachstralkita]

LMFAO he thinks I'm actually mafia ^

[Zachstralkita]

UNVOTE:


VOTE: Vedith

[Zachstralkita]

From one mislynch to another. You guys are fucking great.

I will now take my leave.

[Zachstralkita]

Pretty sure implosion is mafia and nos was right about him

If you vote implosion I will be your puppet

LMFAO he thinks I'm actually mafia ^

Do not presume you're cleared.

I can presume what the fuck I want bro



Anyways, I'm not speaking further until certain variables align themselves in the right way for me.

[Zachstralkita]

If you want to wagon him, something other than he was fakeclaiming to get someone lynched since he owned up to it before Dunn reached L minus 1.

Maybe I'm misreading this, but Zach hasn't owned up to anything.

The unvote was a retraction of the mason CC. We said e retracted multiple times, no one said anything.

There you go again with those assumptions!

[Zachstralkita]

Nah I retract, sorry Varsoon I think they might actually be masons so I made a judgement call.

[Zachstralkita]

As much as I want them to not be town, they probably are.

[Zachstralkita]

But we're not

1) doing one of your dumb lynches

2) lynching Varsoon

As much as I want them to not be town

Why

Can you respond to me on the implosion stuff

As much as I want them to not be town, they probably are.

Both Masons, or both Town?

If I looked at all the facts and sincerely believed that they were scum I would have kept up the lynch. They're probably masons. I just need them to both stop doing that bullshit that they be doing.

If they flip scum I'm going to videotape myself shotgunning a random mixture of high blod pressure pills with a malt liquor and lithium chaser.

[Zachstralkita]

BUT IF I BELIEVED THEY WOULD I WOULDNT HAVE UNVOTED ^^^^^^^^^

[Zachstralkita]

Zach did you just quote my post then not respond to it

Yeah

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: implosion

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Nosferatuslot /Vedith

[Zachstralkita]

ZACH why is implosion mafia

I'm all ears, I seriously am interested here

Why even are you voting nos

nos is bad

let transcend case him im taking five

[Zachstralkita]

Again, Varsoon, my b. I just re-analzyed everything and think we MAY be wrong here.

[Zachstralkita]

let transcend case him im taking five

But a significant number of players in this game seem to be scumreading transcend.

This is part of the problem

let transcend case him im taking five

But a significant number of players in this game seem to be scumreading transcend. If you want the wagon to happen, fucking push it.

He can wait I'm fine with nos. Airick's 69 page reading should only take like three to four minutes

[Zachstralkita]

Two days, thirty five pages behind. I very much don't even want to read it.

Is there even anything important in that?

Someone just give me a summary.

Who should I vote?

Titus called a lot of people stupid for not treating her like conftown.

This

Anyways.

I'm gonna make a brief list of player interactions.
And am gonna bold the names.
When flips happen the names go green or otherwise.

It'd be invaluable for endgame.

Are these gonna be like your reads lists or are you gonna actually finish this?

[Zachstralkita]

Varsoon and Zach are fakeclaiming masons

If they come back and admit that, I'll fucking reevaluate, but until then, I'm going to take their claim at face value.

I'm not lying. Zach and I are masons.
Dunnstral and Titus are fake-claiming masons and Dunnstral is trying to lie and say that I'm fake-claiming as a mason because we caught them.

Nah I retract, sorry Varsoon I think they might actually be masons so I made a judgement call.

Dude, this is the worst kind of reaction test that you could try out.
Now no one will believe the truth (that we are masons) because you wanted to bait reactions by retreating the claim.
What'd you even get out of that?
Gah, I wish we had daychat

WHY DIDN'T YOU LET IT GO LONGER? I FEEL LIKE WE WOULD HAVE GOT MORE OUT OF IT

[Zachstralkita]

vote varsoon please

No

[Zachstralkita]

@Zach: BECAUSE IT'S DUMB AND UNDERMINES THE WHOLE POINT OF COUNTERCLAIMING IN THE FIRST PLACE

NOW I KNOW THAT OK

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Varsoon

You're not doing this stop it

[Zachstralkita]

Sorry, I have to sheep my partner and I certainly can't let you vote him after I told you not to.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Zachstralkita]

So you are masons then?

Yeah.
Ultimately, it comes down to who you're gonna trust:
A pair who claimed masons under pressure
or
A dude who counterclaimed masons when it was clear that the claimed mason wasn't going to be lynched otherwise

What's it gonna be?

That makes us sound like the bad guys. I think WE were under pressure in that regard, in a way, Dunnstral and Titus forced our hands.

[Zachstralkita]

Okay Varsoon at night we have to talk this out so we're not as rough

[Zachstralkita]

So you are masons then?

Yeah.
Ultimately, it comes down to who you're gonna trust:
A pair who claimed masons under pressure
or
A dude who counterclaimed masons when it was clear that the claimed mason wasn't going to be lynched otherwise, recanted and then recced to save Sick of it.

What's it gonna be?

Done.

" Saving " sickofit? Saving him from a mislynch, sure.

Oh you think he's scum? Your partner must not considering he's voting Varsoon and Dunn I already told you it wasn't going to end well...

[Zachstralkita]

Pretty strange that you guys can't talk during the day?

What are you talking about? Masons having daychat is at the moderator's discretion, actually.

[Zachstralkita]

Pretty strange that you guys can't talk during the day?

What are you talking about? Masons having daychat is at the moderator's discretion, actually.

I know. The fact that you went to the wiki to check that is the real slip.

What sort of mind game is that? Obviously as it's my first time being mason I went to the wiki to brush up on the role, sure.

Note that the words "moderator's discretion" appear on the wiki listing of mason.

That's proof. Zach wouldn't have used that word choice otherwise.




Why would he have to go to the wiki to learn stuff on masons...?

" Moderator " is a basic word.

" Discretion " isn't too scholarly either.

[Zachstralkita]

By the way, do mason partners die if the other is killed, or is that just lovers?

I thought you were rusing?

Explain for me what you meant by that.

What sort of mind game is that? Obviously as it's my first time being mason I went to the wiki to brush up on the role, sure.

Wasn't it explained in your role pm?

Yes, but that didn't prevent me from going to the wiki...I like reading.. you should try it sometime...

[Zachstralkita]

In fact, if we were really a mason, he would have simply said that he didn't have day chat. He had to go and make sure he didn't slip, or so he thought

I told you I had night chat.

What are you talking about?

[Zachstralkita]

This being my first time playing mason doesn't mean I don't know what day and night talk are. Me and Varsoon happen to only be able to talk at night.

[Zachstralkita]

Oh did I not say it?

Day talk

So you do have Daytalk.

If they had daytalk.. .Why did Dunnstral get annoyed when Titus " claimed "? They should have been able to plan that out and go over what they would and wouldn't do..

LMFAOOO CONFSCUM

[Zachstralkita]

She didn't say anything she literally just claimed

Two smarticle particles like you should know better than that. Daytalk is a wonderful privilege that you were given........... BUT YOU DIDN'T USE IT !!!!

[Zachstralkita]

She didn't say anything she literally just claimed

Two smarticle particles like you should know better than that. Daytalk is a wonderful privilege that you were given........... BUT YOU DIDN'T USE IT !!!!

What did you guys talk about in your mason chat?

??? It's not night we haven't spoke there yet. I'm referring to YOU and YOUR supposed DAYTALK

[Zachstralkita]

Zach slipped again.

People with Night talk get to speak pre-game.

Hey, Varsoon did all the talking.

[Zachstralkita]

That's on Varsoon.

No I mean in the pregame. I literally did nothing, I wasn't here when Day 1 started either.

[Zachstralkita]

We aren't masons. I fake claimed to save Dunn because he is frankly obvtown but crappy and needs to learn to play with others.

I don't regret it.

Now if there wasn't a double fucking standard regarding claims, I would be dead N1, scum would be lynched and ALL would be sorted.

Yet this group cannot do shit.

[Zachstralkita]

My retraction was a fake retraction, Titus' retraction might be real.

[Zachstralkita]

Oh did I not say it?

Day talk

We aren't masons. I fake claimed to save Dunn because he is frankly obvtown but crappy and needs to learn to play with others.

I don't regret it.

Now if there wasn't a double fucking standard regarding claims, I would be dead N1, scum would be lynched and ALL would be sorted.

Yet this group cannot do shit.

Oh did I not say it?

Day talk

We aren't masons. I fake claimed to save Dunn because he is frankly obvtown but crappy and needs to learn to play with others.

I don't regret it.

Now if there wasn't a double fucking standard regarding claims, I would be dead N1, scum would be lynched and ALL would be sorted.

Yet this group cannot do shit.

OOOOOH WHAM
BAM
THANK YOU MA'AAAAAM

OOOOOH WHAM
BAM
THANK YOU MA'AAAAAM

[Zachstralkita]

Varsoon, I almost let it go with that reaction test but we recovered quite nicely.

This literally is the crappiest town group I have seen as town. Ever.

And YOU'RE part of it! Yippee!

[Zachstralkita]

Wake, you're going to shoot Dunnstral four times?
Insane.

[Zachstralkita]

See I knew something was fishy about that. Oh well.

VOTE: implosion

Time to get some real work done.

[Zachstralkita]

Why in the fuck are you guys roping Titus? And why did this thread turn into a bitch-fest? I'll case who I want to lynch when I get up.

[Zachstralkita]

Why in the fuck are you guys roping Titus? And why did this thread turn into a bitch-fest? I'll case who I want to lynch when I get up.

^^^ I just got here too don't blame me.............


Yeah I'm not letting Titus get lynched

For the record: You two refuse to lynch Titus today.

Confirm?

Yea she and Dunn are obviously fucking town apparently that doesn't stop everyone from getting all emotional




Use your fucking heads. Us four are most definitely all town (Dunn,Titus,Varsoon,Zach). I could give a limp fuck if we're confirmed or not. The only reason anyone would sow dissent in this belief is because 4 clears is very dangerous to them.

I also find it hilarious that the original mason claim was meant to save Dunm when Titus was the one at L-4 or
something


And you guys are smoking PCP if you don't want to lynch Vedith every time he speaks. We're not lynching Titus, god damn it it's an obvious ML.

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Vedith

I also find it hilarious that the original mason claim was meant to save Dunm when Titus was the one at L-4 or
something

But then you are already arguing that Titus lied about the reason for claiming Mason.


How does someone get to a level of being such a moron, I wonder?

That's not what I said, I just found that funny?

Buddy, we're just getting started. You're going to leave this game as stupid as me.

Us four are most definitely all town (Dunn,Titus,Varsoon,Zach).

You DO realize each and every thing you say is going to be weightier as the Days go by, right?

Tell me in exacting detail why you're so sure you're all 'most definitely Town.'

It makes logistical sense and I'm going to work off it. Like I said, I give two limp fucks if you guys believe it or not.

I'm certain Dunn and Varsoon are town. If Titus was scum here, she wouldn't get any points for WAAAAAAAHing to victory.

[Zachstralkita]

Buddy, we're just getting started. You're going to leave this game as stupid as me.

I doubt that will ever be possible.

Because you can deduce everything about someone's personality from their in-game posts.

Rather than trying to have the bigger dick than me in this scenario, shithead, you should make an attempt at scumhunting because no one gives a fuck.

[Zachstralkita]

Because you can deduce everything about someone's personality from their in-game posts.

Rather than trying to have the bigger dick than me in this scenario, shithead, you should make an attempt at scumhunting because no one gives a fuck.

There's no need to scum hunt (Sarcasm, for the idiots), just watch the morons who white knight Titus.

Faulty idea considering Titus' slot is town.

[Zachstralkita]

Dunn is just salty at me in general.
If the town is too stupid to see what Titus did was 100% anti town, then what can you do, eh?

No one is arguing it was anti-town.

That does not change the fact that Titus is town in this play. If you don't want to see that, then you can't call anyone else stupid when you lynch that slot and it flips VT.

[Zachstralkita]

No one is arguing it was anti-town.

I am

IT WAS ANTI-TOWN YES


You should not give a fuck because TITUS IS TOWN

Dunn is just salty at me in general.
If the town is too stupid to see what Titus did was 100% anti town, then what can you do, eh?

No one is arguing it was anti-town.

That does not change the fact that Titus is town in this play. If you don't want to see that, then you can't call anyone else stupid when you lynch that slot and it flips VT.

This is different to any Titus play I have EVER seen.
Show me a game where this is Titus play and I'll even call Titus Queen fucking town.

I don't... need to, chap.

He's mafia

Or frankly I don't even care if he's town

What makes you believe he's Mafia?

I don't like your second quote.

I knew that quote would make him look bad but basically, Vedith just popped in, buddied Lapsa and started campaigning for Titus' death.

[Zachstralkita]

I was the #1 Titus lynch advocator. I'm pretty sure I was the reason the original wagon got to like 5+ votes.

But with all that has happened, I can't honestly say I believe Titus/Dunn is scum.


Remember? the whole WAAAAAAAH thing?

I knew that quote would make him look bad but basically, Vedith just popped in, buddied Lapsa and started campaigning for Titus' death.

Another lie.
Show where I buddy Lapsa.

You don't buddy Lapsa but he seemed to be your go-to for intel.

Which already puts you in a skewed perspective considering he wants to lynch Titus.

[Zachstralkita]

You don't buddy Lapsa but he seemed to be your go-to for intel.

Which already puts you in a skewed perspective considering he wants to lynch Titus.

I actually asked Titus to fill me in.
Then I asked Lapsa why he was voting Titus - The reason was valid.

Valid until Titus flips town, or we flip you first.

Voting someone for " anti-town behavior " rather than BEING SCUM is usually pretty telling.

[Zachstralkita]

@Zach, Have you considered Lapsa scum being abnormally dickish?

i kinda have

[Zachstralkita]

not familiar with Lapsa's play though I've never been in a game with him

[Zachstralkita]

Valid until Titus flips town, or we flip you first.

Voting someone for " anti-town behavior " rather than BEING SCUM is usually pretty telling.

Claiming mason when you are not mason is scum to me.
So why do you suggest I don't vote who I believe to be scum?!

It's too black and white.

If you look at the extenuating circumstances and everything that led up to the claim itself happening and then the recant, and you STILL believe that, then I cannot save you from being a fucking idiot.

If that gambit was scum motivated, RECANTING THE MASON CLAIM was probably the WORST move they could have done in terms of self-preservation, but it was done anyway (I assume out of frustration).

And I don't believe it was scum motivated. The whole thing is too sloppy.

[Zachstralkita]

implosion case

I was actually thinking about casing Performer.

[Zachstralkita]

Us four are most definitely all town (Dunn,Titus,Varsoon,Zach).

You DO realize each and every thing you say is going to be weightier as the Days go by, right?

Tell me in exacting detail why you're so sure you're all 'most definitely Town.'

It makes logistical sense and I'm going to work off it. Like I said, I give two limp fucks if you guys believe it or not.

I'm certain Dunn and Varsoon are town. If Titus was scum here, she wouldn't get any points for WAAAAAAAHing to victory.

I don't feel that I've been sufficiently answered.

You're not telling me why you're sure the other three are most definitely Town.

I've liked every single post Varsoon has made, and his tone.

Certain facets of Dunn's play and his words have made me sure he's not scum.

The mason claim has a lot to do with this, the mason recant is why I believe Titus is town.

You will not find this explanation sufficient either. I do not care.





Vedith lynching Titus on the principle that she's lying is an indication of stubborn town or shitty scum.

Vedith, how can you talk about anti-town behavior yet you have tunnel vision on Titus? Who are your other scumreads?

Oh, let me guess. Whoever defends Titus.

[Zachstralkita]

Transcend, are you scum partners with Titus?
I mean, your comments seem to be more advising or protecting towards her than I appreciate.

Got ma eye on you!
Lets go! Lets go!

" You're defending who I'm voting? Scum! Die! "

Vedith, how can you talk about anti-town behavior yet you have tunnel vision on Titus? Who are your other scumreads?

It's more of a do as I say, not as I do attitude...
However, I won't say anyone protecting Titus is scum (without being sarcastic of course), I will say stupid, though.
I don't even know who's in the game, and flame me for it as you like but I haven't looked into anything else that what has been provided to me, yet.

Maybe that's a wise idea.


Fuck it, let's just wagon this guy

[Zachstralkita]

@Titus/Dunnstral: Whatever happens, I'm not voting Sickofit today

[Zachstralkita]

" You're defending who I'm voting? Scum! Die! "

That was a question, at him, moron.
And not once do I say he is scum there. Good example though.

That question is on the basis that Titus is scum.

Which when proven false, makes you look like a fucking idiot and I'm not sure how you're so confident on that that you'd ignore everything else in the game just to pursue this lynch.

[Zachstralkita]

Really, asking someone if they are buddies isn't a scumread?

Lynch Vedith pls

[Zachstralkita]

I'm in favor of most Sick counters considering I believe he's a ML.

[Zachstralkita]

I'm in favor of most Sick counters considering I believe he's a ML.

You don't really have a reason to believe that though

Except you don't know that so don't fucking say it

So now Zach absolutely refuses to vote Sickofit1138 and wants Vedith lynched.

I feel like at least one of Dunnstral/Zach/Titus is Scum, based on the constant flip-flopping. It's a severe lack of consistency.

christ i'm going to fucking shoot myself

hello i've been AGAINST sickofit's lynch since BEFORE THE MASON CLAIM SHIT STARTED WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU

[Zachstralkita]

Wake, where in the fuck am I being inconsistent?

[Zachstralkita]

I'm in favor of most Sick counters considering I believe he's a ML.

And this is why I feel no one listens. It's not so much that you townread Sick but rather it doesn't match what you think you know.

The only difference between that and my approach is that I am open and it tells people what they can do.

I'm like the only one doing this I'm pretty sure most people are in favor of it

[Zachstralkita]

I'm in favor of most Sick counters considering I believe he's a ML.

You don't really have a reason to believe that though

Except you don't know that so don't fucking say it

So now Zach absolutely refuses to vote Sickofit1138 and wants Vedith lynched.

I feel like at least one of Dunnstral/Zach/Titus is Scum, based on the constant flip-flopping. It's a severe lack of consistency.

Maybe Wake is scum. Notice how he leaves Varsoon out despite the total lack of scumhunting by Varsoon minus the mason claim.

christ i'm going to fucking shoot myself

hello i've been AGAINST sickofit's lynch since BEFORE THE MASON CLAIM SHIT STARTED WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU

I'm in favor of most Sick counters considering I believe he's a ML.

And this is why I feel no one listens. It's not so much that you townread Sick but rather it doesn't match what you think you know.

The only difference between that and my approach is that I am open and it tells people what they can do.

I'm like the only one doing this I'm pretty sure most people are in favor of it

Then why does Varsoon want to pursue fake claim lynches, or Lapsa stage a diversion, or half the other garbage in the thread?

These would hold weight to me if I thought Varsoon was scum. I don't.

Varsoon wanted to lynch Dunnstral from the get-go, tbh. I feel like he's blinded by something because I'm also sure Dunn is town.

I'll ISO Lapsa.

[Zachstralkita]

Zach: Lapsa is town

you said lapsa is town too...

im not sure why me re evaluating things is such a fucking SHOCKER to you

[Zachstralkita]

S/o Wake for not pointing out how I was inconsistent

~HISTORY~

Day 1

~ I ask in 2170 for confirmation that

Wake88

is willing to lynch

Sickofit1138

and

Vedith

Day 1.

Wake88

hesitantly replies 'Yes' to both in 2190.

LMFAO

[Zachstralkita]

Um.......

[Zachstralkita]

That was ... awkward from PeregrineV.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Zachstralkita]

See, I'm glad I isoed Almost50.

Vote: Almost50

What's the reasoning behind this except voting for you?

Lack of content in his first 22 posts.
First "real" case was against Dunnstral for vote hopping. That cases is quantified and color-coded in 325. Response in 333.

and

Voting me, outside of RVS, and for no given reason.

This seems bad. What about ... his other posts?

[Zachstralkita]

That's all well and good, but I daresay he's not a viable lynch for today.

I also find him town, does that make me scummy as well?

[Zachstralkita]

That's all well and good, but I daresay he's not a viable lynch for today.

I also find him town, does that make me scummy as well?

Why?

I thought his then-case on Dunnstral came from quite a towny place.

[Zachstralkita]

Also Wake, you're free to tell me how I'm inconsistent whenever you want. Or just admit I'm not.

[Zachstralkita]

@Dunnstral case Lapsa for me please, don't make me have to ask for the reasons 1000 times like he did

[Zachstralkita]

That's all well and good, but I daresay he's not a viable lynch for today.

I also find him town, does that make me scummy as well?

You found him town ever since page 5. Perhaps you should explain why.

Okie-doke. Maybe it's the ostrich weakening my resolve, but I feel his tone is town overall and his greatest crime is maybe not ACTIVELY scumhunting. I can see why the slot needs pressure.

parking my vote on titus

have fun

this does not help your case

[Zachstralkita]

also - won't defend myself, won't answer any questions

will prod dodge and occasionally remind that titus is dumb

Yeah, and now you're intentionally being unhelpful. I don't see a reason to keep you here.

Can someone familiar with Lapsa tell me if he's normally like this?

[Zachstralkita]

OK Peregrine is probably town to be honest...

I hate you.

He's made like 4-5 posts since he came back and you just label him town. You give out townreads too easy.

[Zachstralkita]

Keeping it 100 Lapsa's town here as uncooperative as he's being.

Stay tuned for my case on Performer. (Dunn, fuck you you don't tell me who we're lynching)

[Zachstralkita]

@Zach-

RVS

Spoiler:

Great timing to start the game (6 am here!)

Anyway, just to say I'm here..

VOTE: Titus

She's drunk, yet she's voting "wake", so obviously has no intention to sober up soon

Spoiler: No actual content

Hi!

I only recognise one name here, so VOTE: Almost 50

I like the dog <3

Hi, shannon. I seem to remember the name but not recall what game we played together before. Care to refresh my rusty memory?

Spoiler: No actual content

@Dunn:

You broke your own rule by voting TWO other people after your #8, so I think you should be voting yourself. Fair is fair, brother!

I'm drunk.

VOTE: Wake88

Fuck that guy.

OK.. I get it. So it's a prerequisite to be DRUNK in order to vote WAKE. Right?

VOTE: Transcend

This is better

same

VOTE: Transcend

same

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_KmNZNT5xw[/youtube]

P.S. How THE FREAK do you post a Youtube video directly??

VOTE: Trancend... Because lApsa only posted 11 smilies .... Then Trancend posted 12!!!!!

VOTE: sickofitnumbers

for misspelling my username

First *Sick* attempt at distancing detected. (Pun intended)

Hi all , just checking in for now. I'm so glad I got on the replacement list for this large normal, as they consistently need replacements. Didn't expect to replace in so quickly though. Anyway.

@Lapsa dude. I was surprised that you were also a PR in that game where I was 2-shot Cop . I hope you learned very much from games , to improve your townplay!

VOTE: no lynch voting no lynch for now.

I see familiar faces in this game as well as new ones. I don't want to say anyone else's name, specifically for fear of painting targets on their backs. I do see we have at least two people who've been ICs before or currently are ICs?

You're gonna fry for this. Not only that, but you're gonna fry for this. ("Thompson & Thompson", aka "Dupond et Dupont" style)

My vote on Wake is serious based on group dynamic.

I don't know podoq at all, but I first need you to obv!town for me to sheep you on people I don't know. I know you can be tricky yourself if you're scum, so excuse me for not following your lead just yet.

So this game is Honey Bunches of Clusterfuck already.


VOTE: Varsoon

I don't know him personally, but he's definitely shifty.

I know him well, but only as a mod, and I wouldn't want to mess with him lest he hands me a lousy role in his next game.

P.S. For the new players: Varsoon's games are the ULTIMATE challenge. You'd always struggle to just understand how the mechanics work (and by the time you do -IF you do- it might be too late already!)

ummm town wouldnt type a post to stand out, that outs attention on them and away from hunting actual scum. ... so it sounds like you are insinuating that he is scum. i think it could be that you are scum pushing against an early mislynch.

SICK logic (again, pun intended). Although NAI, the logic is faulty bc scum wouldn't want to stand out so early either.

The thing is "sometimes" I would play like that if I was an insignificant townie (read: VT, but also note "sometimes"). I garb the spotlights for like half of the D1 so as to have SCUM hunting me down, and; although half the town would be too, the other half will be weighing their options and it's more likely than not that they will actually find a better lynch with well reasoning to vote for. This has the side-effect of blinding the scum from seeing PR crumbs and such, so -in effect- I would be protecting the town PRs in a way.

Now, why am I not doing this here? 2 reasons: 1- I don't feel like it (as in, I don't have the concentration and focus to do it ideally right now), and 2- because I haven't played with more than half of the player list, so it could very well backfire and I get mislynched 9which in it's own isn't a thing, except it would be a waste on D1).

Yaaay! My first rambling post of the day on the whole site. I guess the headache is wearing out.

I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING.
WHAT'S UP MY N-WORDS?
DON'T WORRY, I'M TOWN
I'VE GOT YOUR BACK.

OK.. I kind of forgot I played with you ONCE before. You were offed N1 though, but the caps reminded me of that game (Borderlands). Yup.. was too fast paced too, and I started playing pretty much towards the end of D1 so that one slipped my mind.

p.S. Am I grabbing enough attention yet??

Use only the part after the = sign in the [youtube] boxes.

I've only watched the opening 13 sec. Those sum up what I wanted to say!

Then this from you,

VOTE: Almost50

I'll need a 3 paragraph case on this, complete with numbered list thanks

Seems to indicate that, from Almost50 posts (pre-Dunn) indicate to you as town.

Based on what he posted before you strongly implied he was town, why was he that strong a townread that you would need a three paragraph numbered list?

Lmfao I asked for a three paragraph numbered list because Dunnstral can't case someone to save his fucking life

@Lapsawagon lapsa is fucking town, u heard it here last


anyways.

Well I'm sorry you feel that way.

This leaves a pool of (in no particular order) {wake, agar, mirhawk, boem, peregrine, airick, varsoon}.

I think from this pool boem is town (I agree with whoever called 959 town, and some of his other recent posting pings town as well, e.g. 964, 966).

Airick is null, Wake is impossible to read.

Varsoon eh. Don't feel strongly about him yet. But I think I'll be able to get a read on him from a bit more posting.

I can see peregrine scum, although I don't have any particularly strong reasons atm beyond gut. I've explained why I think AGar is scum for the wallpost. I found Mirhawk's early posts scummy and still do on reread but need to look at his other stuff more since he's actually been active.

VOTE: PeregrineV

ooh, I had to just include this here.

VOTE: implosion

implosion expresses his disdain for voting a V/LA player earlier, then proceeds to vote a lurker who had not made any recent posts..

His vote has not moved from here.

Implosion, why do you think Nosferatu and PeregrineV expressed their negative gut read on you (bad vibes) early on?

Nos, probably because he actually had gut vibes from me. Even if he's scum, it was probably him trying to emulate something he'd have said as town and not anything deeper than that.

Peregrine, also possibly that, or possibly just trying to sow the seeds of a future push as scum potentially.

So implosion who is a better lynch than Titus and yourself?

I'm having some trouble finding people that I'm actually enthusiastic about lynching. I'd still be happy with AGar pressure but there seems to be a lot of AGar-town sentiment flying around the room. The other scumread I currently have is Mirhawk but I do need to re-evaluate it and I've been a bit lazy about isoing him. I'd honestly also be satisfied with a lurker lynch (peregrine) because I have a lot of townreads and I'm not a fan of his posting so far in particular. Airick also maybe but it seems like we're about to get content from him possibly.

implosion has a hard time finding active players to lynch because he has to essentially make up scumreads on them.

the rest of his scumreads (AGar, Mirhawk) he's very wishy-washy on them and not really ready to commit to anything at all. Take AGar for instance.

" There seems to be a lot of AGar-town sentiment flying around the room "

Name someone besides me doing that? Also, why should it matter if your scumread is townread by people? Titus and Dunnstral have no problems doing that.


" Airick also maybe " this is bullshit, he's posted almost nothing that could be considered alignment indicative. What I gathered is implosion doesn't want to lynch active players, he does AND doesn't want to lynch the lurkers, but anyone but himself is fair game.

[Zachstralkita]

Sorry, I disagree heavily. The fact that Nosferatuslot/Vedith townread implosion makes my belief even stronger.


In a sentence, I don't really believe implosion is scumhunting.

I'm calling Lapsatown right now, if Dunn and Titus want to contribute to something they can..

[Zachstralkita]

The very fact that implosion voting Peregrine isn't pinging him speaks volumes.

Bolded is good point.
But, would almost want to lynch Airlick first.

*sigh*
Will iso implosion later. But, he is not generally a lynch choice for me on day1.

I'm not sure how I feel about " generally "

Games are a case-by-case basis, no?


I'm almost inclined to link one of you or Vedith to implosion.

[Zachstralkita]

All of implosion's reads are town or " eh..." and his only scum are in (or what once was) the lurker group.

Mirhawk is the closest thing to an active player that falls into his scumreads.

[Zachstralkita]

I don't care who we lynch

As long as it's not:

Me
Titus
Zach
Varsoon
Wake
Podoboq
PeregrineV
Boem_u_desi
Transcend

And to a lesser degree not:

AGar
Performer
Mirhawk

I don't care who we lynch

As long as it's not:

Me
Titus
Zach
Varsoon
Wake
Podoboq
PeregrineV
Boem_u_desi
Transcend

And to a lesser degree not:

AGar
Performer
Mirhawk

Let Lapsa go. Vote implosion.

[Zachstralkita]

Nice random appearance.

Do Peregrine's posts now still warrant his vote?

[Zachstralkita]

"random"
no fucking shit i'm going to respond if you make a case on me. I'm keeping up with the thread pretty consistently. There's just not always anything that warrants posting. Y'know, because I've posted a lot and want to let others post some more? You don't seem to understand that about this game :/.

Except now I'm posting because I'm casing someone thus finding scum thus helping win the game, I'm not just loitering. I owe some real progress to make up for the 40+ pages of mason shit.

And yes, they do. There's nothing town in them. Him calling himself blatant town in his reads list is disingenuous because if he's town he should know he's not obvious (although that's a minor point).

Yes. That is a minor point. When I find out who else in this game did that and you didn't vote them for it, I'll be sure to let you know.


So you play the game by finding townreads, but it follows that players that post more have more to pick at, and you can find what's not town in their statements. Not easy, but it should be doable. Yet you have no scumreads in majorly active players aside from Mirhawk. And even now, you're voting Peregrine.

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Vedith


Nothing he's said has made me want to vote him less. I also want to point out how fucking awful Nosferatu's last post was.

No one's contesting that Titus' play was anti-town as fuck. But that is the only lynch you seem to care about and you've offered no other scumreads, nevermind took heed to the possibility of a Town Titus/Dunn in this situation.

When you flip, it will be your own fault.

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Performer

[Zachstralkita]

Who's crying? LOL

[Zachstralkita]

Who's crying? LOL

You. There's no satisfying the both of you, and that's what we need for a scum lynch.

>>Coming from the person who wants to lynch Sickofit LMAO




I'll go back to it but Performer is viable scum. Remember this.



VOTE: Vedith

[Zachstralkita]

Zach, Varsoon fake claimed and you went along with it. You and the other fake claimers aren't to be trusted. In what world did you think that'd be a good idea?
Regardless, I want a vc update to see where I can best vote.

@a50 I'm actually slightly town on PV, as his reads list looks alright. How come you tr me?

You sir, are scum.

My trustability is not your judgement to make.

[Zachstralkita]

Performer's lynch pool being all townies (with the exception of Mirhawk) adds 50 points to him being scum.

[Zachstralkita]

Performer's lynch pool being all townies (with the exception of Mirhawk) adds 50 points to him being scum.

He included Sickofit there.

It crossed my mind and I think it's funny that Sickofit has been mentioned order a magnitude more often than his number of posts. I have a feeling we've been talking the whole game about this guy.

Sickofit is a ML.

Okay, you won't see me until Day 2.

[Zachstralkita]

An AGar wagon is possibly the worst fucking idea you've had yet