New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

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That's not a case that's a biography

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Mirhawk is cornered scum here. Look at his last post.

I don't see anything in implosion to indicate he's scum. That's not saying I see him as towny I just don't know why he's voted

Performer was towny in my mind too

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There's been a marked change of tone for wake recently, by the way

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I think I'll steer clear of minigames this game thanks

I'd rather think about peregrine later to be honest

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Zach, opinions on peregrine?

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I'd rather think about peregrine later to be honest

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.....so why can't we get mirhawk

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podo is town

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...probably

He's pretty anti-town in general and annoying

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nah I'll lynch whatever you and Titus agree on



Unless I have to make an executive decision

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This means you won't lynch whatever Titus and I agree on

Untrue

That's a big

UNLESS

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OK let's do this then

VOTE: Performer

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Post 3407 is a good post and I'm pretty sure Agar is town

My reads are fluid but FIRM when needed

This is a good place to vote

unless they're town

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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT

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oh that's whatever

I thought you like, didn't want performer dead


or something

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Not really...?

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He's not getting voted for subbing out...

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probably because he predicted your post 3425

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My fucking God people. Almost 100 pages and D1 isn't over. Absurd.

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Ok that's weird

It says 2326 in the quote but it clearly says 2325 on the actual page and that's where your thing linked

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^^^^ yes something funky going on here, like a post was deleted or something and it messed up the numbers when quoting

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It looks weird if performer flips town...

like you were against it and suddenly you have your own case for him being scum

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Has preformer claimed?

Not necessary.

VOTE: Performer

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UNVOTE: Performer

Well he's at L-2 now but I intent to vote/hammer him (not a quickhammer, of course, I wouldn't do something like that)

Don't think I have anything else to say until a replacement comes in so I'll just prod dodge or something

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Didn't actually have a word in mind

If you guys really want to play then here we go:

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wait it's

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You can only guess one letter at a time.

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H A M M E R

P E R F O R M E R


T


Nah gonna go ahead and say Transcend wins...

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Is there an M

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I'd like to solve the Puzzle.

VEDITH WAS MAFIA NEAPOLITAN

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OK I'm out of this round then...

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nah you just got a strike for the team.

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[Dunnstral]

Hey Zach

Who else do you think is mafia, aside from performer? What do you think of the possibility of scum wake


Hey Mirhawk, what do you think of this performer wagon?

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Nah I'm not into the whole quickhammer business. You can vote if you so choose, though

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Hey guys he has to like

Claim and stuff

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Yeah they're L-2

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We're not ending this day until I find out what Transcend's hangman phrase was.

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E

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Vedith/bad/mafia/Neapolitan

Beeboy ur dumb there's no "a" in the second word since a is revealed.........................

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Vedith/bad/mafia/Neapolitan

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What are your thoughts on performer personally? Do you think they're likely to flip scum?

Yea I'd say pretty good chance of being scum

I also think you have a pretty good chance of being scum, so...

What do you think of implosion?

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vedith the mafia neapolitan

...

I really should have known

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Hey implosion, what do you think of mirhawk's recent postings?

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^^ Something wrong with the post numbers or something if you haven't noticied

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Replacement inbound!

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[Dunnstral]

I don't like how he's voting me but has no reasoning.

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And doesn't seem to really have much to say to me

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You have no reason to think you were covered by any sort of protective role

But I was. So, I was right?

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What do you mean

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Oh I

knew

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Why are you trying to discredit me, without trying to get me lynched?

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VOTE: Mirhawk

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Boem is your picture intentionally creepy or...?

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No but seriously, I'm not really sure I trust someone who was convinced counter-fake-claiming masons was a good idea as to whether or not they actually know if their role can confirm a player as town or not indefinitely, because I generally think you're an idiot right now.

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I don't want to get kraska today

We can get mirhawk

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She doesn't need to claim

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Yes, unless you think we should be looking at someone else

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No worries, we have 8.5 days left, what's the rush Zach?

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Yeah we're not voting kraska.

Wake is mafia.

Let's get Mirhawk, his buddy.

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Nah Wake is town

He is not.

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I don't want kraska to claim.

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Watches

Is Wake town?

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Zach nothing useful to say and just gets in my way again

Also absolutely no comment on the hangman stuff


Noted

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Dunn why are you against a Kraska lynch today. What specifically in her demeanor made you think she was a bad lynch?

Eh

We'll see

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You missed Titus l o l

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Hey guess what


We're not lynching kraska today afterall

We can get Mirhawk finally??? That's a thing

I would not mind Peregrine anymore as he's not doing anything

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also LOL @ the AGar scumread yea cause he would openly push a "ML"like that...

???

You think he wouldn't ???

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So Ièm back I guess. I'm more skimming then anything else at the moment so I'll just list me general thoughts here as I read.

Titus seems shittier then yesterday. Some of the logical leaps near the beginning of the day rub me the wrong way. I was townreading her previously, but maybe less strongly now. I can't say as I find the case on her that wake was pushing about having bad interactions is particularly appealing though.

Dunn keeps saying that there was no scum kill because he got doc'd. The whole premise is bullshit and I expect that he knows there's no way to prove it so why does he keep saying it. Since there's no way he could know this I'm not really liking the implications of this as the only benefit from saying that is to imply that you're town by means of making it look like scum tried to kill you.

I kinda agree with the sentiment that there was likely no scum in most of the latter people on Ved's wagon. But I probably wouldn't apply that to Dunn and Shannon as the writing was on the wall by that point so I could see bussing happening there.

Dunns 3004 is right on the money.

I'm a hot topic, I should probably be around more.

I seem to have scads of townreads but almost no scumreads in comparison. I would vote Shannon or Dunn though.

I'm more or less caught up now, I appear to ow boem some question replies (technical term) but I'm tired and those look like extensive answers so you're going to have to wait till I have time.

Also, I'm going to

Vote: Dunn

because why the hell not.

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Wake, why are you against a Mirhawk lynch but were willing to lynch performer?

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I'm 100% certain that don't lynch me until I read the game is not alignment indicative. Nor is refusing to claim for the same reason. For what reason would you attribute this behavior to town?

Refusing to claim is very town in my eyes.

I've seen scum not claim at L-1 twice

Of course in that game we lynched the town bp after he did not claim and selfvoted so....

You also saw me not claim at L-1 when I was cop so?????

And frankly even if I were vanilla town I wouldn't claim there

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I like how peregrine called out beeboy on "not offering scumhunting" way back

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We need to get a lynch going soon so we have time for a claim and to reevaluate

I'm willing to lynch mirhawk or peregrine if needed (he's not doing anything anyway)

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Zach what is your opinion of Boem?

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I've toned down my posting already.

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Also that Boem vote was slimy. Not sure why you constantly have to hear from Varsoon, either

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Varsoon might be town and he's been softing a role the whole time so I'm not doing that one

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I don't want to get Kraska.

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I also don't want her to claim, either

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She's really really town

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VOTE: PeregrineV

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Surely Zach can't rain on this parade

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I'm not lynching people for information

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VOTE: Mirhawk

If Zach and Dunn cannot get along, I am going with the guy who has the same scumreads as me.

I have this fear that boem is just sucking up to people



VOTE: mirhawk

I'm willing to compromise on these lynches Day 2 thus far: Dunnstral, Boem, Titus, Almost50, Peregrine, Transcend.

Didn't include Varsoon because of his crumbing.

If evidence proves MB then everything changes.

For a guy who was on about "what if they're cop or doc?" earlier you sure don't seem to care about lynching the jailkeeper

[Dunnstral]

:V

vc 2.11

kraska77 (3):

AGar, Zackstralkita, Almost50

implosion (3):

beeboy, Varsoon, Transcend

Mirhawk (5):

implosion, PeregrineV, Boem_u_dusi, kraska77, Titus

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

PeregrineV (2):

pobodoq, Dunnstral

Boem_u_dusi (1):

Wake88

Titus (1):

shannon

Not Voting:

Airick10

With

17

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9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

Wake88

is V/LA until

7/14

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[Dunnstral]

I voted him though, that vote count is 100 posts late

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I didn't edit it or anything

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I feel like Wake is town that's just severely misguided

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You guys might notice I don't have much to contribute at this point


It's because I don't, can we run up mirhawk, get him to claim, then hammer him anyway or do I have to bring out hangman again

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Wake, who do you want to see as Mirhawk's counterwagon?

The ones I previously mentioned.

You mean those 6 towns?

You saying all 6 are Town

does not

make all 6 of them Town.

Mafia 101.

I feel like Wake is town that's just severely misguided

OK, then explain to me with logic how all 6 are Town.

Go ahead and say how you know all of them can't possibly be Scum.

I'm not the one who said that, though

But when your mislynch pool is all 6 of them, yeah that's dumb

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And no, it's not dumb. Show me exactly why you think otherwise.

Because I think your reads are super bad and don't want to lynch any of those except maybe peregrine

Also you included the jailkeeper in there when you were on about doc/cop claiming earlier - no clue why you think that's a good lynch

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Dunnstral why didn't you vig this? For fucks sake, man.

Because she's kind of obvious town??

Trust me if I had any thoughts of her being scum I'd have shot her following the force replace thing

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Dunnstral why didn't you vig this? For fucks sake, man.

Because she's kind of obvious town??

Trust me if I had any thoughts of her being scum I'd have shot her following the force replace thing

I cannot be any more transparent here. I'm struggling to keep up with all the players, let alone the volume of posts. So the best thing I can do is be obvious about my towniness (plain vanilla as it might be) so that I'm not taking up game space by having debate about myself. I've volunteered myself as a 'minimal impact' lynch in case it comes about that town can't agree and *has to* lynch *someone*. I am reading along but don't have much to say that hasn't already been said. Once we're down to a dozen players or so I'm sure I'll be more across the game and more able to contribute (if I live that long).

But hey, if you're scum and trying to pick me off, go ahead and do it - I'd rather the game lose me than lose a PR.

I just said why I wasn't shooting you so why act like I declared open season

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I'm not an expert, but Neapolitan seems pretty important to me especially in closed setup. Actually, it's hard for me to think about more important PR. How do you know those claims were truthful anyway? VT can freely claim something here in order to soak a kill.

I'm saying that we definitely had a Macho, because Lapsa flipped Macho (which I was not expecting). We have a Miller claim which I believe. We have at least one other negative utility that I know about (not interested yet in explaining how I know of another negative utility. Just know it's 100% confirmed to me. Not setup spec)

Mafia Neapolitan receives results in the form of "Vanilla" and "not Vanilla." Non vanilla would draw their attention, and they would fire at those players first. With a lot of negative utilities to town, Neapolitan is increasing the chances of killing off our negative utility.

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If you havin' role problems, I feel bad for you son
He's got 99 posts but a claim ain't one

Yeah I'm not sitting here waiting for this any longer

VOTE: Mirhawk

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aimed at you softclaiming

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UNVOTE:
A doctor and a jailkeeper, though?

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Okay guys, who wants me to LOLHAMMER?

me even though i townread mirhawk. i just wanna see if i'm right or wrong about him. he's not in my first tier and i've fosed him before. so i can possibly be wrong here.

I'm thinking of a number between 25 and 60. Get it right and you win my no questions asked LOLHAMMER!!!

Only one guess.

47

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My case on Dunn has nothing to do with his claim other then the fact that I don't believe it at all. It's that he repeatedly claimed that he had Doc protection when there was no way it happened. How do I know? I'm a even night doctor, I sure as hell didn't save him.

Dude what part of "the jailkeeper targetted me and

I DID

have protection" don't you understand

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I can confirm that Mirhawk is a doctor.

Ok

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VOTE: PeregrineV

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a50 claims to have jailkept me, yes

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We're not

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beeboy can you be less useless this game pretty please

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odd-night doc isn't likely if we also have a jailkeeper, by the way, how many protective roles do you guys think we have...?

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VOTE: PeregrineV

Why settle for peregrine?

With his level of activity it's doubtful he could resist a fart in an empty stadium.

Why are you defending him using his activity?

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VOTE: PeregrineV

Why settle for peregrine?

With his level of activity it's doubtful he could resist a fart in an empty stadium.

Why are you defending him using his activity?

Please don't twsit my words.

I don't like that.

You voted for peregrine and I'm asking you why you're settling for peregrine when he's an easy target in that he's active and doesn't do much. Meaning, he'd likely be an easy lynch.

Please don't misunderstand me. It's not a defense of Peregrine. It's about who you're going after now and wanting to understand exactly why.

Because I think they might be a member of an anti-town faction

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4 PROTECTIVE ROLES

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What in the world is a "backup nurse"

Nurse is the flavor name for "backup doctor"

So you're a backup backup doctor that can backup a backup doctor

Or you're lying.

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He literally just claimed backup backup doctor

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Varsoon, what was the role called in your pm?

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Varsoon, what was the role called in your pm?

Town Backup Nurse.
Since my role says it will change to Town Nurse with a Nurse dies, I assumed the Nurse was town.

Nurse is the flavor name for a Backup Doctor. Once a Doctor has died, the Nurse will become an ordinary Doctor. The Nurse may or may not be self-aware (if not, it will receive a Vanilla Townie Role PM).

This role makes no guarantee about the existence of a Doctor in the setup to begin with. If there is no Doctor, then this role is functionally a Named Townie at best. On the other hand, in a game with multiple Doctors, the Nurse will generally inherit the sanity or other quirks of the Doctor who died first.

This role is pro-Town most of the time.

The self-aware version of Nurse (receives a Nurse or Backup Doctor Role PM), and only this self-aware version of Nurse, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

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So you're a backup backup doctor?

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I don't see how we can essentially have 2 protective roles and 2 backup roles

If anything, there is no nurse and the backup nurse is just for the mafia neapolitan which seems likely actually

maybe mafia does have a traitor?

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Varsoon, what was the role called in your pm?

Town Backup Nurse.
Since my role says it will change to Town Nurse with a Nurse dies, I assumed the Nurse was town.

So there's a possibility you could end up as a Doctor.

With all this apparent Backup, the idea that there is a pair of Even-Odd Docs meshes with this development.

No

There's a possibility he could end up as

backup doctor

who would then have to seperately become doctor

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I don't think there's an actual nurse. I think he's a named townie

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@titus im not going to hold you scumreading mirhawk against you bc his push on dunn didnt make sense until he claimed

It still doesn't make snese, he basically said "Dunn thought there was a doctor on him, but I'm doctor and wasn't on him!" when a jailkeeper already announced that they were on me anyway and it's just a dumb reason in general

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Also I don't want to get Titus

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podoboq, do you have a special reason to trust beeboy's miller claim as well? Just wondering

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what i took from mirhawk's last post is he doesnt buy almost50's claim

I kind of do though

If you looked back at why he had claimed, it's because I was saying I vigged lapsa and he was jailkeeping me and the mafia targetted lapsa (still think he shouldn't have claimed but whatever)

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Yeah uh I didn't realize we were in role madness btw; everyone is either a pr or softing one it feels like or some negative utility role

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I think podo is town ^^

Somebody present a good lynch

I would not at all mind getting peregrine

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Yeah uh I didn't realize we were in role madness btw; everyone is either a pr or softing one it feels like or some negative utility role

I claim Vanilla Townie.

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if they were going for something like that they would just put a nurse without a doctor

Because there is a doctor.

There's also a backup nurse

"just make it a nurse" makes it an actual role, or having to remove the doctor

[Dunnstral]

(also, if there are any town-aligned killing roles other than Dunnstral, then my reasoning will change significantly and Mirhawk is somewhat likely scum again. But I'll cross that bridge if it comes up)

Not sure I follow

[Dunnstral]

(also, if there are any town-aligned killing roles other than Dunnstral, then my reasoning will change significantly and Mirhawk is somewhat likely scum again. But I'll cross that bridge if it comes up)

Not sure I follow

The likelihood that the mod put in a mafia even-night doc if the only town killing role is a 1-shot vig seems very low.
If there's also like, another 1-shot vig, or an even-night vig, or something like that, then it becomes more likely.

An even night doc is a fake if there's no even odd night anything else most likely. Is it certain? No.

Might just be even-night doc because we also have a jailkeeper, though

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because what moderator in their right mind would conceive of the idea of a backup nurse without a nurse

if they were going for something like that they would just put a nurse without a doctor or a deputy without a cop. Those are sort of standby choices (along with miller) for moderators looking to add a named townie to a setup. They wouldn't think of it.

Named townie is a thing.

VOTE: PV

It isn't explicitly normal.

The backup nurse?

Sure it is, all explicitly normal parts

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Or are you saying "named townie isn't explicitely normal"

Because that's just untrue

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and while Dunn may have had his action blocked, there can be a mafia roleblocker that prevented his action.

I apparently targetted same person as mafia did anyways so roleblocker wouldn't matter

mirhawk claimed even night doc which excludes day 1 so if a50 were scum there'd be no protective roles

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on em if mafia kill the same person as vig then vig dies

i don't know if it's the same way for mafiascum. does your role pm say anything about that?

That's not how it works here, no

That's NOT EVEN how it works on EM

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Besides that, my ability would also kill whoever tries to kill me at Night, so good luck with that.

What reason do you have for claiming?

Silence, fool
Can you like
pipe down and chair the symposium?
Podo has been crumbling pr for a while now btw

I mean.....no? Sure? Maybe?

I've been claiming

S

O

M

E

T

H

I

N

G

, which gives me reason to not only believe, but expect that there are many town PRs, and that something is based on information unique to my slot.

If we end up wagoning anyone who's claimed a protective role (like Almost50), I plan to explain that.

lol

Role madness isn't plausible, so I don't know where Dunn's comment came from.

Really? Look at all the random claims

Including yours

@Boem, It's not. I spell by sound. I can't say his name.

I always hear it in my head like Poe-doe-bock. I've heard some people say Poe-doe-boke, though. It is pronounceable.

I've been hearing the first one in my head

My lynchpool includes Titus, Dunnstral, and Boem.

I don't have time for PV to fuck around with claiming.

Wake's not town...

Probably not. Care to share some thoughts with us?

I havent looked at why I'm being voted yet- are there any compelling reasons?

Peregrine's not town either

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Yeah. This is helpful.

I are Town Doctor.

Night 1 I protected no one

(and it would not have been Lapsa, so I didnt feel bad.

Night2 is pre-submitted, so there is that.

So you're just a full doctor?

[Dunnstral]

One of these docs has to be scum-aligned

Like there's no way we have this many protective roles

[Dunnstral]

If PV is town I'm thinking mirhawk is mafia. I'm not believing we have a jailkeeper, a FULL doc, an even-night doc randomly, and a backup-nurse

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By the way, if mirhawk does end up being mafia in the future when we inevitably lynch them, we'r epower lynching wake for hard defending him all game but then speed voting PV

[Dunnstral]

And for claiming that ability, too.

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I still want a mirhawk lynch tho I just don't want it to be thoughtless because "lol 2 docs"

2 docs, a jailkeeper, and a backup nurse.

we also have a bomb (?) so lol

[Dunnstral]

What di bloodclaat is going on

wake + mirhawk scum team

[Dunnstral]

^untrue

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Armour or Armor?

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Why do you believe there are town protective roles, as opposed to scum protective roles?

Does your role hint at the difference?

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That's pretty much role madness man

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Would there really be a 2-shot mafia neapolitan with like 2 vanilla town

[Dunnstral]

it's not I got confused with another games flip

Carry on

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lapsa was macho town

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He's town

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a50 who did you target

[Dunnstral]

or we have a town vig and dunnstral was a scum vig.

Scum vigs aren't allowed in normal games

[Dunnstral]

I haven't read most of this yet

I see that Titus died

[Dunnstral]

Does dunn still get a vig shot if he is rb'd?

x-shot roles aren't refunded in normal games

A50 you need to announce who you've targeted; no use hiding this info

[Dunnstral]

Why wouldn't Scum take out Mirhawk?

Why would scum take out mirhawk?

[Dunnstral]

I'm waiting for A50 to get back in here

[Dunnstral]

I can tell that transcend isn't going to stop role fishing so I'll say yes, I shot at someone today. Not saying anything else until a50 tells me who he protected

[Dunnstral]

Why wouldn't Scum take out Mirhawk?

I just saw the mirhawk slip. This is a scumclaim from wake as well, ignoring almost50.

[Dunnstral]

By the way, I guarantee you guys that Wake is scum.

Remember I was talking about wake soft defending mirhawk all game? yep

[Dunnstral]

^ if wake is indeed mafia, and so is mirhawk, zach might even be mafia.

[Dunnstral]

OK.

I shot at mirhawk and he didn't die, which means either I was roleblocked (even though I claimed 1-shot, someone thought I was lying) or a scum protective targeted mirhawk

For the record I'm actually a

2

-shot vig

I claimed 1-shot because I wanted to clarify that the lapsa kill was me (though it wasn't apparently), and because I wanted to be not roleblocked for me next kill

[Dunnstral]

guys "scum vig" is blacklisted in normals

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anyways since i looked shady as f-ck and i'm out of actions i'm going to go ahead and roleclaim 2-shot motion detector

N1 I chose Varsoon because I had no idea about him and someone visited him

N2 I chose Dunn because I wanted to see if anyone visited him, I didn't expect him to actually visit then

I got him visiting someone.

So uh there's that.

A Motion Detector is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

A Motion Detector should receive the same result if they see an action being performed by their target as they would if they see an action being performed on their target (and the same if they see both)

. If their target is Ascetic or targeted by a Rolestopper, they should receive a "No Result" pm, the same as if they'd been blocked themselves. A Motion Detector would not see a Ninja performing a kill.

[Dunnstral]

anyways since i looked shady as f-ck and i'm out of actions i'm going to go ahead and roleclaim 2-shot motion detector

N1 I chose Varsoon because I had no idea about him and someone visited him

N2 I chose Dunn because I wanted to see if anyone visited him, I didn't expect him to actually visit then

I got him visiting someone.

So uh there's that.

A Motion Detector is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

A Motion Detector should receive the same result if they see an action being performed by their target as they would if they see an action being performed on their target (and the same if they see both)

. If their target is Ascetic or targeted by a Rolestopper, they should receive a "No Result" pm, the same as if they'd been blocked themselves. A Motion Detector would not see a Ninja performing a kill.

[Dunnstral]

A50 you need to announce who you've targeted; no use hiding this info

Why would I be hiding anything?? I do have other games to read though and I have a Facebook account to check. I posted the last time I checked here and when I came back I was 4 pages behind already!!

I just needed to know if you roleblocked me. (or mirhawk)

[Dunnstral]

They only detect motion.

Also, Transcend claimed that I was "confirmed town" so I was expecting him to claim tracker (since I targeted Mirhawk)

[Dunnstral]

motion detector is a dumbed down version of tracker. it detects... motion.

Why am I confirmed town for having motion?

It does NOT tell you whether the target was the one visiting or the visitor, which you clearly wrote that that's the results you had

[Dunnstral]

well you performed an action or visited someone. and scum vig isn't a thing. so when you changed your claim from 1SV to 2SV that made you conf town.

i was testing to see if you'd claim having motion, if you were scum you'd likely keep your 1SV claim. i think you're conf town for changing it to 2SV.

You little slipper that doesn't even make sense

[Dunnstral]

good job boem

[Dunnstral]

No you didn't, because I could have still been visited by like 5 other prs, or scum roleblocker

Yet you somehow assumed that I visited someone. Doesn't make sense

[Dunnstral]

you assumed that somebody visited varsoon, too.

[Dunnstral]

Or I got roleblocked

[Dunnstral]

boem doesnt the thing you quoted say he would be able to detect if the action was performed BY or ON the player?
im not following guys

But it gives the

same result

for both

He'd get something like "motion detected"

Not "your target visited someone"

Not "someone visited your target"

[Dunnstral]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... n_Detector

[Dunnstral]

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME SAYING THAT DUNN "visited someone" vs. "submitted an action"

TELL ME WHAT THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE IS

AND TELL ME HOW IT IS A SLIP WHEN IF I WERE SCUM ID RECEIVE THE SAME WORDING IN THE PM THAT I WOULD IF I WERE TOWN

It's a slip because the role you described is not the role you claimed

It's not the difference between seeing me "submit an action" or "visiting someone" you shouldn't even know that

I

was the one who visited vs someone else visiting me

It's possible that mafia have a role cop and checked me night 1. In that scenario they'd know I wasn't a 1-shot vig and they'd be able to fake claim something like you just did

[Dunnstral]

Is posting exact mod message (actions) in gamethread allowed?

no

[Dunnstral]

you guys are just paranoid atm
agar and wake and probably airick are the remaining scum

I'd like to once again consider Zach.

[Dunnstral]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... n_Detector

A Motion Detector should receive the

same result

if they see an action being performed

by

their target as they would if they see an action being performed

on

their target (and the same if they see both)



The fact that you're arguing this rather than just saying "i jumped to conclusions/misspoke" mean's you're NOT TOWN or the moderator messed up

Which means we vote transcend slipper after mirhawk slipper

[Dunnstral]

or the moderator messed up

*and the guys who reviewed the setup would have to mess up, too

So no you're not town

[Dunnstral]

but if im scum im mafia motion detector and i'd receive the same pm that i did as town motion detector.

Or you're a mafia role cop.

Checked me night 1.

Saw I wasn't 1-shot

And tried fake claiming while making up stuff on Varsoon that isn't confirm ble because mafia could have targeted them

And botched your claim

[Dunnstral]

Can role cop see affixes?

I don't think it can, you would just come up as vigilante lol.

Role cop returns full role name.

Possible mod fuck up because I received two different messages from when I targeted Varsoon vs. when I targeted you.

No angleshoot needed. You guys realize there's a review board of like, 3 people for these

And all the "mod result messages" are posted in there too

So either 4 people messed up on the motion detector role, or Transcend is lying.

[Dunnstral]

"In the case of an X-Shot role, the Role Cop should be told how many shots the role started with. not how many shots used/remaining."

[Dunnstral]

My role PM looks a lot different than the wiki does. But obviously to avoid getting into modkill territory I will refrain from saying anything in it.

Does anyone have meta with the motion detector role? Because I've never heard of the role until I got the role pm lol.

Your claimed role name is 2-shot Motion Detector

Not sure what you mean "my role pm looks different from the wiki" as there's no sample pm and it's just what the role does

[Dunnstral]

I just needed to know if you roleblocked me. (or mirhawk)

Nope. didn't head your way, nor his.

[Dunnstral]

I'm gonna look for a game with a motion detector in it...

[Dunnstral]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7687381

"I'm a town motion detector, I get positive results on anything that is affected in any way by night actions, whether it be them targeted or them targeting something. I got a positive on RC last night."

[Dunnstral]

Also he was a real motion detector as seen in the opening post and not a dirty fake claimer

[Dunnstral]

FYI I plan on voting slipper mirhawk today regardless

[Dunnstral]

It seems Mirhawk and Titus want me dead before I can do anything remotely similar to them

I've just referred to my list and realized Mirhawk is neutral. This may have been overshadowed by the fact that he's voting me

Why don't you question Mirhawk on some stuff?

And the fact that a lot of her posts suck? Yes I know that's coming from ME.

oh... i finally get it!

VOTE: Titus

Why don't you question Mirhawk on some stuff?

and you?

And question me or me question Mirhawk? If I had a desire to do that at the current moment I would be doing it and not telling you to.

His alive presence is interfering greatly with my scumhunting activities, not to mention he contributes worthless reads to boot

and no fake dayvigs either dont tease me. if you're in this setup then i greatly implore you to use your ability for the greater good

It would help if you avoided rank hypocrisy Zach. You want me to unvote you because it won't go anywhere but Lapsa unvoted me for the same reason, you object.

The difference is:

1) I'm town

2) You're scum

You like that one? Dunnstral taught me.

Am I to read this as your reads suck because of him? Because that's what I'm getting from it.

Also calling for dayvigs on people who you don't think are scum is terrible fucking play.

Okay captain lieutenant commander, be real. It wasn't going to happen even if there was a fucking dayvig.

Uh no, Mirhawk is overanalyzing the graph and replying to other posts that don't matter

Also I think I'll say Varsoon is mafia rather than insult his play

This is why you're awful, by the way. Comfortable with swapping my vote

What's your current take on Zach? He posts frequently.

My general impression is that I find his demeanor antitown. He also says a lot of things that I just don't see town saying.

I don't like his reads much (though my own opinion of Dunn has gotten much worse over the last few pages), and he flails at everyone who attacks him.

You're attacking me, I'm not exactly flailing at you.

I want Wake to post more, PeregrineV was supposed to post more, I don't want to vote Mirhawk or Varsoon

Dunn if you had used your words, words aside from " Because I said so " your partner may not have claimed - if the claim is legit.

Titus, what say you diffuse your vote on me and I'll magically diffuse your wagon.

OK explain to me how Mirhawk and varsoon are BOTH town when I think they're both scum

I didn't say they were both Town, Detective, but I like Varsoon's posts ( he has a good point on you)

Mirhawk's play does not warrant my vote atm.

By the way, was Titus L-3 or L-4 something when the mason claim happened?

I want Wake to post more, PeregrineV was supposed to post more, I don't want to vote Mirhawk or Varsoon

Dunn if you had used your words, words aside from " Because I said so " your partner may not have claimed - if the claim is legit.

Titus, what say you diffuse your vote on me and I'll magically diffuse your wagon.

I'm a mason, you should be diffusing my wagon anyway, but I'll humor this if it gets me a bus.

Which of our mutual scumreads do you want to lynch?

Um do you scumread shannon?



Ayy looks like I spread the quote curse ^^

Transcend is town and if Titus can think I'm heavy scum then that should show you the quality of her reads.

I've been saying Sickofit is a bad lynch for a while now,

but I'd rather lynch Mirhawk

/shannon than lynch Sickofit

Fuckin.. umm... not to mention the mason claim business

yeah Zach's mafia With Mirhawk and Wake. Wake part coming up next

[Dunnstral]

HAHAHA whaddya fucking know i was the second initial person on Nos' wagon and look how THAT turned out. yw



Wake town by the way, because his reactions to the hammer I felt were genuine


I still don't want to vote Titus.

2117 - Wake:

Nosferatu did not provide content.

Why exactly are you all going after Vedith?

Give me a sentence or two. Some sort of content.

2118 - Dunnstral: 'He's Mafia'

This actually pisses me off. Dunnstral never wanted to vote Vedith/Nos slot in the first place.

Meaning that Dunnstral pisses you off?

Yep


I'm very disheartened to say that for some reason today they seem more plausible as scum and they haven't even posted yet LMFAO

Why kill Lapsa???

FINALLY we have some real data to chew on.

Going back to start and look at interactions.

tinfoil: Titus did it because all Lapsa was going to do all game was call her dumb

The most obvious one is Performer with his weak ass townread on Vedith.

Can you help me out with this? I know Dunnstral's gonna swoop in here and cite some bullshit reason why Performer is town.

podoboq is another choice but something about his reaction to Vedith's claim puts me off from that lynch at the moment....


Titus, if you're not getting lynched today Wake definitely isn't.

I will wagon myself before that happens.

I want to wagon Wake or Varsoon, depending on Wake's answer.

Do your scumreads ever exist outside of people that vote you?

Yes.

I remove

liars

and

drama stirrers.

Lack of energy has prevented me from collapsing a lung laughing at this.

Do you..... not remember fakeclaiming mason yesterday?

By the way, a Wake wagon is not happening under any circumstance and I'm against a Varsoon wagon.

I'm not against wagoning Wake because Titus wants it. I'm against wagoning Wake cause he is super fucking town.

If you had to kill a townie, you're better off killing me. In fact, you're better off killing shannon who

claimed VT

to help us out!

Yes, I'm hard defending the shit out of him right now. I do not care.

Zach, the game rules made me. It's a pretty small one.

If Dunn died, the gambit would be fine. I would have been proven right and the fact I couldn't defend him from lynch makes my actions more understandable.

Scum bussed Vedith when they could lol policy lynch me? No. My wagon was chock full of scum.

Whatever, I'm not arguing that shit now.


WHY would they policy lynch you? What exactly have you DONE? If you had your way Vedith would be kicking his feet up sipping a fucking pina colada right now and one of Varsoon, Sickofit (beeboy) [Town], Wake, or Me would be dead. All townies.

Scum bussed Vedith for towncred. There could have been scum on BOTH of your wagons.

Wake, do you think scum!Titus would go out of her way to fakeclaim to save DUNN on the grounds that DUNN is OBVTOWN and also connect him to her by fakeclaiming MASONS, then RETRACT THE CLAIM and openly tunnel the same people who were voting her? Where is the sense in that?


Answer me this.

I don't and that's why I'm hesitant to vote Titus. But if the wagons were Wake and Titus, I would not hesitate to vote Titus.

BUT THAT WON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'RE VOTING PERFORMER.

P.S. Wake's recent posting is blatant psychological manipulation. By putting Titus, Nos and the color red together, he wants players to associate these things together and is trying to use underhanded tactics and ignore what goes against him.

Oh wow and now Wake is trying to get town to vote me while abandoning any pretense I can be proven scum because he cherrypicks and even Zach knows it.

With your actions he does not need psychological manipulation to get people to vote you, trust me.

You and Wake are TvT. I am trying to clear you to him and trying to clear him to you. It's NOT WORKING.

IF THIS IS THE PRIMARY TOPIC OF OUR DAY WE ARE GOING TO BE FUCKED.

Then let me back out of the thread. Wake is going to do nothing but tunnel me drowning out everyone else, and I read others by iteracting with them and how they interact with others. I will also not be interrupting your Performer push. Wake has to prove himself town. You cannot. I have had some suspicion on Wake since before he entered and his checkbox post didn't help. Cherry picking is scummy. Wake has to do something townie for me to townread him. Which means getting out of the thread so your Performer push can happen and YOU can see you are wrong.

I'd feel much more comfortable backing out of the thread and letting you push Wake so he flips Town LMFAO just to spite you

Have fun see you in a bit

I'm a 1-shot vigilante, I shot Lapsa.

.................

Why did you kill

Lapsa

, Dunnstral?

I'm not answering dumb questions like that. Get off of Titus and stop asking me stuff

You should know why

...........................................................................

Read: I'm having a hard time making up something that sounds reasonable



Ok scum probably targeted me LMFAO but I had someone looking out for me

If you have a point in 2930, make it plain.

You said don't put words in his mouth but the quotes appear to indicate you are indeed assuming multiball

Zach, are you willing to lynch Dunnstral or Titus Day 2?

only if it's an ultimatum between you/Titus TBH

[Dunnstral]

Right so here's how I see things

Zach hard defends Mirhawk who scum slipped

Zach hard defends Wake88 who is almost confirmed scum to me

Zach hard defends Transcend who scum slipped TWICE (second one not revealed yet)

[Dunnstral]

Scum team: Mirhawk/Wake/Transcend/Zach

[Dunnstral]

to clarify, he then goes on to say:

As motion detector I can detect the motions from a player or from somebody who targets that player.

That's why Keyser's results came out positive the first night.

[Dunnstral]

Right so here's how I see things

Zach hard defends Mirhawk who scum slipped

Zach hard defends Wake88 who is almost confirmed scum to me

Zach hard defends Transcend who scum slipped TWICE (second one not revealed yet)

Even if Transcend is miraculously town the first two points hold true.

[Dunnstral]

We don't need more games with a motion detector

[Dunnstral]

Zach seemed pretty fine to me so far.

That's how they get you

[Dunnstral]

We don't need more games with a motion detector

OK.

Can you elaborate more on Zach theory? What do you think about Airick10?

I think Zach is scum that got townread by everyone

Airick 10 could be mafia I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I wouldn't lynch them today. Or tomorrow. Or the day after that.

[Dunnstral]

^ those slots are reserved for mirhawk slipper, wake mcscumclaim, transcend slipper, and zach the possible mafia accomplice to the rest

Oops that's 4

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: mirhawk

[Dunnstral]

Along with Varsoon the doctor/nurse/back-up I have no fucking idea but he's conf town since motion WAS detected on him

Wait! This just hit me.

kraska IS a serial killer. Her slot targeted Varsoon on N1, but he is BP so didn't die. She was jailed on N2, so no kill from her either. On N3 she did the kill. This theory stands UNLESS Dunn claims a 3rd shot.

My vote is fortified with cement, and if Dunn didn't shoot last night AND kraska flips town I will be happy to eat the rope next. No questions.