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Post #173 (isolation #0) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:37 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
In post 74, Creature wrote:They're trying to fake a townslip. I wanna see who's gonna try to fake a townslip next.
Hey if my role pm is green which side am I on?
In post 119, Wraith wrote:
I agree. Assuming 9 scum right off the bat implies foreknowledge of the setup, which in this case means scum. It's also such an absurd ratio that it would have to mean multiball.
Vote: Debi
Mmm that's a g00d VOTE right there
right there
if I do say so myself (i do say)
In post 129, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Lol Debi, You don't get the context as to why it's actually a god like miracle and because you opened to the door to the maths, let's do it. (I'll also go over your other concerns but let me have some fun here)
Spoiler: Maths for the fuck of it
I have two completed games under my belt and then this one I'm playing. So far out of all 3 of them, Pine has been them all.
Now the first game was the HungerGames Round 2 and that contained 17 players and there was 4 evil roles so we start out as me landing scum with a 4/17 chance. Now we multiply that by the Pine having the slot of scum as well so it's 3/16. Let us not forget that Pine also replaced in to a scum slot so that's a 3/16 chance he had the chance of replacing in to a scum slot and join me with day talk which is a 1/2 chance of being included.
Next, we move onto a game we just had where we had 5/8 townies and that was my chance of landing townie and 3/7 chance for Pine to land scum that game and again, 1/2 chance of having a game together with day talk.
Finally, this is where we do a little assuming here but I doubt the maths change would be astronomical. We assume a 4:1 ratio of scum meaning we have 5 scums this game, Now by the way the PM was worded, I'm going to go under the premise of a 5 man scum game meaning there would be a 5/19 chance I roll scum and for Pine a 4/18 chance he's scum.
After multiplying by 100 to give us percent, we get
0.006475749% chance that all of this has occurred so Pine and I could use that as scum theatre.
Nice, using Pine's alignment in your previous games as basis for you 2 not being scum together. That's great logic there
In post 138, Creature wrote:Btw, did anyone check the forums Debi linked to see if their games are usually 10v9?
Seems irrelevant. Looks like 10 and 9 are numbers picked because there are 2 factions and Debi split the players in half. There's no way any site would be running 10town:9scum, that's D1 LyLo.
In post 170, Alisae wrote:I'm not making any arguements against anyone because quite frankly I'm not attempting to push for a specific lynch at the moment.
Okay so if you're not pushing a lynch why are you voting Creature? This doesn't look RVS
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Post #178 (isolation #1) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:51 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
In post 174, Alisae wrote:Voting Creature because I disliked how he immediately assumed singleball and I hate how he immediately assumed scum theatre between Pine and Gin
Game has to leave RVS sometime. I don't think he's right about scum theatre but that doesn't make him scum. You don't think it's possible that Pine and Gin
could
be theatering?
Side note, excited about the table gathered for this game
In post 174, Alisae wrote:Voting Creature because I disliked how he immediately assumed singleball and I hate how he immediately assumed scum theatre between Pine and Gin
Game has to leave RVS sometime. I don't think he's right about scum theatre but that doesn't make him scum. You don't think it's possible that Pine and Gin
could
be theatering?
Side note, excited about the table gathered for this game
Did you even bother to read the maths involved? Not only was it math but it was also telling a narrative that explains exactly how that shit wasn't scum theatre.
I mean you have a 0.006475% chance of being right and you're not going to get lucky.
Also RVS left a long time ago, don't know where you've been.
I read the math. The only thing that affects whether you 2 are scum together and possibly theatering this game is the role distribution in this game. Assuming 5 scum, that's 5/19*4/18. That's a generous simplification of the role distribution process, but it's still a 5.8% chance the two of you are scum together. If you really don't see the problems with your own math I can point them out for you.
Not sure what you mean by your comment about RVS, assuming you either aren't reading or aren't comprehending
Ok that's fine, but what did you mean when you said
"Also RVS left a long time ago, don't know where you've been."
to me?
@Zachstralika - Do you have any scumreads yet? Seen 2 posts from you implying the wagons on Debi and Alisae are bad, but your vote is still on your RVS vote
In post 139, Alisae wrote:Dear Gin and Debi
Maths are killing me, please send help
Love, Alisae
In post 352, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:You just bitched about not having anything to defend and now I call you out for not actually contributing and you say "cool," instead of literally doing anything pro-active?
Um yeah, I've contributed, want me to quote every post which is something that shows I contributed?
I mean you just said nobody was giving you the reasons they were voting you and that you couldn't defend yourself because of it. Now that Gin gives you reasons instead of refuting them you just get snippy with him. Not a good look
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Post #368 (isolation #6) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:13 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
wait all those posts are like you asking people what they think, never like interrogatory questions towards scumreads. no accusations either VOTE: ALisae
L-2
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Post #709 (isolation #8) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:02 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
In post 681, Wraith wrote:
* Kyouko's #173 is a little odd. She says my vote on Debi is a "good vote" (I assume he's being sarcastic). But he completely ignores Ircher, who voted earlier than I did for an identical or almost identical reason. What?
* So I checked the front of the thread just in case and Kyouko is suddenly scummy to me. He horribly miscounts the Alisae wagon in the present somehow (#678) (where she claims Alisae is L-1 but is actually L-5), and I swear I remember her also doing this earlier in the thread. I'm right - #368 (less egregious, she says Alisae is L-2 but she is actually L-3). In fact, it those posts were her two most recent ones. What's going on here?
* I still don't know what Alisae means by "'gun to my head' townreads"
So so far
Townreads
Grey
Gin
Echo
Ircher
Soft Townreads
HS
Zach
Pine
Murky
Creature
Kyouko
Debi
Scumreads
Alisae
RB
Fucking finally caught up. Pretty damn confident in putting my vote here
Vote: Alisae
I'm pretty okay with a RB lynch too but definitely prefer this one.
Taking a long break.
Feels like Debi, HS, and rb are too low on the list. We'll see about rb though, he's got some pretty vocal resistance.
I skimmed over the post with the Ircher vote tbh. Didn't notice he voted for the same/very similar reason as you, which knocks him down quite a bit for me.
I was drunk last night when I read this post
and because I was drunk I wasn't in the mood to double check that VC. That's why when I voted him I said he was L-2, because I was lazily taking Alisae's word on the size of his wagon. Those are my most recent posts because I went to other games/sleep after and am just coming back here now
Alisae uses "gun to my head" to express he is uncertain about a slot but if you were to "put a gun to [his] head" he would say... "town/scum"
In post 746, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:He reminds me of someone in the HR department at one of those "team building exercise days"
flash wagon?
Gin, you voted rb while quoting his post about a flashwagon. Makes it look like you voted him because of that post, so why do you then turn around on the next page and offer to start a flashwagon
with
rb to lynch a null slot?
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Taking my notes atm, this just stuck out to me on catchup from my last post
In post 903, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Ircher is probably town. This push makes no sense if he's scum.
The push makes no sense if he's town either.
Second both of these^
Don't think the rb vote makes sense as either alignment so I'd say it's NAI but rb has a good point it could just be put there to tie his vote up in the meantime if he's scum looking for the next easiest wagon
My notes on Ircher:
Ircher says Gin explaining "scum theatre" with pine too much - Ircher pushing on Gin early who is currently a scumlean for me, points away from Ircher/Gin team
Ircher laying down the "alisae is a mislynch" hard, maybe for towncred - Speculation that town!Alisae points to scum!Ircher
Ircher hypocritically calling wraith scummy for something Ircher himself did - points to scum!Ircher
Going to look at HS's post on town!Ircher to see what comes up from there, but I still like Pine for scum more than Ircher
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Post #1002 (isolation #13) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:02 am
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
Actually I enjoy BDSM Tokyo please feel free to call me BDSM Tokyo for the remainder of this game
General explanation for most of that post would be I didn't have any notes or anything for the beginning of the game and decided I'd get into it with notes again. Been playing really lazily lately and felt like doing the notes again because I feel like I've had low impact in a lot of my games so I decided to go back to notetaking. Made my notes today and I woke up like 15ish hours ago
anyways drinking a whole lot right now umm in response to your post more specifically:
Post 178 got me fucked up with her saying she doesn't think it was scum theatre but then accuses Alisae of not thinking it could be scum theatre.
Post 368, she votes Alisae because she is asking people about what they think instead of interrogating them(which is asking them what they think).
Also in post 355, she says things dont look good regarding Alisae because she didn't try to defend me but the kicker is that she doesn't vote Alisae until more people voted her and decided to join the wagon at post 368.
Overall, she said she looked scummy but saw the opportunity to push the lynch on her closer so she thought it would be best to hop on at that point and blend in.
post 819 is one of the weakest cases to vote someone. If it wasn't clear, I was requesting a flashwagon on RB because I love to use people's words against them. @Post 694, RB says he's going to game solve before D1 ends and he'd be town as fuck, at this point a thought occurred to me that RB has been doing every single he's done in his own twisted scum hunting so I'd at least be willing to see where it takes me if I followed the little shit.
post 890, it's a vote against Pine and quite honestly, she doesn't ever mention Pine's name besides the scum theatre incident where she doesn't believe it was scum theatre. During this time around this vote, I noticed multiple votes go onto Pine, her reasoning of Pine buddying rb to protect me is a stretch and she didn't even show where it was done. I read it as just a quick reason to vote and hope on the newest trendy vote.
The last post I'm concerned about is post 930 where she all throughout the post she talks about Ircher and I being scum and how Ircher is scum and gives thought to it but says fuck that, I'll keep a vote on Pine when I haven't given reasoning or quotes as to how my read is actually a solid one.
Disagree with a few of your scumreads and the list in general bugged me, think I was SRing one of your TRs or something. anyshways LUV is town so good on you but scum would know that anyways
Had to look back at 178. That was me telling Alisae her Creature vote was misplaced in less simple terms. Encouraging him to think more about all the possibilities instead of conf-biasing.
I remember 368. I think asking people for their reads on other people is lazy/scummy play because you either aren't asking pointed questions (lazy) or you're trying to figure out which players to keep alive to manipulate future lynches(scummy)
Thing is I've been in lots of games w/ Alisae recently and have realized he is lynchbait and knows it. Not making an effort to be less lynchbaity either as far as I can tell. I waited to get on the wagon because I know he's a lynchbaity player and wanted to be more sure about it before I got onto it.
Looks like my reason to vote you in 819 was a misunderstanding then so I don't see why you use that as a point against me instead of just saying it's a misunderstanding *yawn* Unless you're scum then that would make sense why you'd do that
890 My readslist was on a knife's edge and I really would have needed a flip to solidify things and then rb went and confirmed himself so that really helped me figure out some associations and the post even contains what I have in my notes. Pine was clear cut for me once I saw rb flip town.
930 literally "points away from a Ircher/Gin team" so I don't know why you'd read that as Ircher and you being scum unless you're paranoid that people will notice you. I think maybe if you were drinking before you read 930 you misread it. Not sure, anyways, you should read it again and get back to me whether you still think the same about it
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Post #2011 (isolation #21) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:58 am
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
In post 1666, Alisae wrote:Hi! I got a red pm!
Oh hey, someone is playing like shit?
Cool, let's lynch them.
Your thought process right now.
So you admit to knowing that your town playstyle is perceived as shit and you don't make an effort to improve anyways?
(Also forgot to post this last night before bed, was wondering why I got prodded when I thought I'd caught up to all my games)
no
If d7 is scum there are 1, maybe 2 scum on Gin. Scum don't just bunch together to counterwagon their buddy. The rest of the scum are on the wagons that don't matter or are not voting, or maybe even bussing but I don't think bussing right now because the wagons are still close and a bus isn't needed, scum still think they can get Gin to go through
He has 16 posts in total in which, we can break down fairly simple.
Starting off, the first 5 posts were naked votes and the 6th vote was a fake "town frustration" reaction by saying on D1 he doesn't know where to put his vote, thus frustrated does not make sense on D1 and this isn't his first game either.
In his post 1001, AA goes on to say my read on Alisae as town was the only with depth to it. "This is Gin's only townread with any depth to it" (Post 1001, All Alone). Therefore, All Alone has stated that I have reasoning to town read Alisae.
Then in post 1027, AA goes on to say I never explained why I town read Alisae. This is a direct contradiction to his earlier push and shows that All Alone has changed his narrative to fit his push; some of which involves misrepresenting to get it through.
As for the rest of his posts, you'll also been keen to notice that I have been the only player he ever talks about. I've been the main contender for the lynch right now, and I can only see Scum!All Alone pushing a lynch on one player.
There is no room for town!All Alone to be tunneling one player and never interacting with anyone else.
That ladies and gentlemen is a case worth voting for.
tbh this looks like a better case than the d7 one, although I agree with both. If rb is willing to go with HS on the lynch today, since I also TR HS I'd be down to go where they're at as long as it looks like scum. Just saying, this narrative of AA's ISO looks like a genuine one and it's coming from another TR of mine. Wouldn't be surprised if both were scum tbh
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Post #2335 (isolation #26) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:51 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
I identify with Debi, sometimes you do the have strong reads on D1 and you're fine with any of several lynches on scumreads. I don't like her spread of SRs though. I feel like Zach and Gin don't work as a scumteam so I feel like you'd develop an opinion of which is scum or if they're both town, but not think both are scum
In post 2281, Creature wrote:ssbm_Kyouko posts little as scum, but posts a bit more as town.
Titus posts a lot lot more as town.
STOP with these generalizations
everyone else, STOP LISTENING to these generalizations
they arent generalization when:
1) They are very specific yet broad enough to not be too specific
2) They are backable by facts
3) They concern specific players
So these are not very specific, they cite activity as AI when it's not. The facts of the matter are that sometimes some players are more busy than other players and by comparison are less active. I don't know what experience creature has with Titus but I know he has only 1 game with me and I don't post any less as scum than I do as town, I post when I have time and things to say as both alignments.
In post 2393, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I didn't realize I didn't have a vote up, still love my case on him and I would love to talk about it.
VOTE: All Alone
That's a weird way to voice that you think someone's scum. Instead of calling them scum you say you love your case on them and would love to talk about it, repeating love looks like a subconscious way to make yourself look more benign imo
In post 2431, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm not going to talk after this point because who I shoot is based on what ya'll come up with (with my authority being supreme but hey gotta satiate that ego).
The two questions in case you forget are:
Shooting Pool: All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi, and Texcat
Question 1: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the most?
Question 2: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the least?
Vig Notes: Stay focused
You very conspicuously don't have d7 in your vigpool despite how large his wagon got and despite the fact that you were voting him earlier when he was the cw to your wagon. Why is that?
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Post #2500 (isolation #31) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:50 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
Because I don't understand the case on SD and I feel like Gin's pool is poorly constructed and doesn't line up with where he's been voting. I don't think his claim is real and if it is real I don't like the targets he's offering to shoot. If he lives and shoots AA or Zach and they flip scum I'll reconsider him but I think those slots are town, moreso Zach than AA.
I think drealmerz should be in his lynch pool and I want an explanation as to why he's not. Vig should shoot for someone that had a decent sized wagon today, excepting rb of course
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Post #2507 (isolation #34) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:55 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
I'd be okay with like, lynching d7 and having Gin shoot SD or AA, because I feel like that actually gets us places. I don't understand why he has Echo, Debi, Zach in his pool and why he doesn't have d7 in his pool.
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Post #2509 (isolation #35) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:59 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
if he had come up with a more reasonable pool to begin with I wouldn't mind. If he could maybe give a decent explanation as to why he chose the players he did choose and why he didn't choose drealmerz I also might not mind depending on how genuine his reasoning sounds. I just don't think his claim or his pool come from a town vigilante
pedit: will iso Tex/Grey
In post 2431, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm not going to talk after this point because who I shoot is based on what ya'll come up with (with my authority being supreme but hey gotta satiate that ego).
The two questions in case you forget are:
Shooting Pool: All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi, and Texcat
Question 1: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the most?
Question 2: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the least?
Vig Notes: Stay focused
Not going down that rabbit hole today, but at a glance I'd say vigging Texcat is fine
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Post #2524 (isolation #40) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:29 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
In post 2520, Alisae wrote:But mom! I think Texcat and Kyouko are scum together.
Kyouko is even attempting to direct the vig and I felt as if he tried to coast by without mentioning his problems with that slot ;~;
You want the day to end, vote the larger wagon or defend it.
Why aren't you voting the larger wagon or defending it if you want Pine to? You're the only one voting SD and drealmerz is a perfectly viable alternative to Gin
In post 2174, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I see a future VCA hunter in you, however VCA isn't useful until there have been a lot of flips and you can start to color code them to find patterns.
You should meet JaeReed.
Last time I checked his VCA's were pretty on point.
Yeah Jae is pretty good, but VCA is still shit. It might actually be useful in this case though with the way is mod is doing the vote counts since it helps with actually bringing context into the picture.
He has 16 posts in total in which, we can break down fairly simple.
Starting off, the first 5 posts were naked votes and the 6th vote was a fake "town frustration" reaction by saying on D1 he doesn't know where to put his vote, thus frustrated does not make sense on D1 and this isn't his first game either.
In his post 1001, AA goes on to say my read on Alisae as town was the only with depth to it. "This is Gin's only townread with any depth to it" (Post 1001, All Alone). Therefore, All Alone has stated that I have reasoning to town read Alisae.
Then in post 1027, AA goes on to say I never explained why I town read Alisae. This is a direct contradiction to his earlier push and shows that All Alone has changed his narrative to fit his push; some of which involves misrepresenting to get it through.
As for the rest of his posts, you'll also been keen to notice that I have been the only player he ever talks about. I've been the main contender for the lynch right now, and I can only see Scum!All Alone pushing a lynch on one player.
There is no room for town!All Alone to be tunneling one player and never interacting with anyone else.
That ladies and gentlemen is a case worth voting for.
This is a better presentation of your case but I still don't think AA was maliciously misrepresenting you. I just think the definition of depth is the problem and it wasn't really clarified. You do have a point about him just tunneling you all game. I'm not sure what's that about or what to make of it but it might just be his style of play. He might be the confident type in the sense that when he suspects someone is scum, he doesn't think he can be wrong and just blocks out everything until said person is lynched.
Speaking of VCs --
Dreal
: I request you make and publish a VC history for the first 50 pages.
That sounds like busy work for little to no gain. Why don't you do that yourself if you want it done? d7 already explained why he only tracked through page 10, or are you skimming?
In post 2500, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Because I don't understand the case on SD and I feel like Gin's pool is poorly constructed and doesn't line up with where he's been voting. I don't think his claim is real and if it is real I don't like the targets he's offering to shoot. If he lives and shoots AA or Zach and they flip scum I'll reconsider him but I think those slots are town, moreso Zach than AA.
I think drealmerz should be in his lynch pool and I want an explanation as to why he's not. Vig should shoot for someone that had a decent sized wagon today, excepting rb of course
He gave like 10 targets to choose from. /blatant misrep
Are you saying my words are a blatant t misrep or was that sarcasm because you know he offered closer to 5 or 6 targets?
I was just isoing the mod looking at rb's wagon and where his voters moved afterwards and had a bad feeling about your vote after his claim. I'm not talking about how you voted rb,I'm talking about how you sat on an unvote for a bit. I think town at any given point has more than one scumread they'd be willing to vote and you and I think a couple other players who were voting RB didn't transition quickly enough for my liking
In post 2749, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I can't get behind sheeping Titus when all she's lynching for is information. I know rb hasn't been active but I trust his reads a lot more from prior experience. I've seen the guy carry towns by himself. Can we just sheep him?
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Post #2818 (isolation #44) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:18 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
Forgot to reply to this in my last post
In post 2749, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I can't get behind sheeping Titus when all she's lynching for is information. I know rb hasn't been active but I trust his reads a lot more from prior experience. I've seen the guy carry towns by himself. Can we just sheep him?
rb has real life stuff going on but said something about sheeping Human and human is on Gin, and afaik thinks his claim is bogus.
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Post #2953 (isolation #46) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:43 am
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
Multiball with one nightkill and a dead red mafia means red mafia failed to kill for some reason. Unlikely that both mafias have a roleblocker unless the other maf has an even night roleblocker, but that doesn't apply to last night. Red mafia failed due to protection of some kind
Unless, is it common in multiball for a team to no kill with the intent to make the game look like singleball to the rest of the town?
In post 2953, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Multiball with one nightkill and a dead red mafia means red mafia failed to kill for some reason. Unlikely that both mafias have a roleblocker unless the other maf has an even night roleblocker, but that doesn't apply to last night. Red mafia failed due to protection of some kind
Unless, is it common in multiball for a team to no kill with the intent to make the game look like singleball to the rest of the town?
??? pings hard from kyouko - this seems like fake "figuring it out"
why would scum no-kill to try and confuse town that it's single ball at all????
I've never played multiball before so I was asking if I was making what would be an obvious oversight in my analysis to more experienced players
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Post #2992 (isolation #49) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:54 am
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.
He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target
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Post #3017 (isolation #52) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:37 am
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
In post 3007, Zachstralkita wrote:Kyouko said this as if to imply said players were voting Gin because he wanted to shoot them. It's not true.
We'll see, I'm still rereading. I know AA and Zach were already SRing Gin for a while before his claim but who I was most suspicious of going into this dive was Echo and SD. Also wanted to see what Debi was doing around that time because she's the only one of his "shots" that didn't vote him.
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Post #3034 (isolation #54) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:05 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
I also felt like Zach was getting unnecessarily aggressive towards me for wanting to reread the last wagon but he's not scum I don't think. Why are you voting him Creature?
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Post #3045 (isolation #56) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:30 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
In post 2420, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So, out of All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi or Texcat please tell me who'd you like me to shoot and who you think the shot would be most wasted on.
I'll take the best case I find and we'll work from there day 2 given the flips we get.
P.S. You won't convince me to shoot outside this pool of players.
In post 2421, Alisae wrote:Gin I've said this multiple times, Texcat.
>They are my strongest scumread.
>Grey came off to me as not playing his towngame.
>They think they're lynchbait when they aren't
>Their reasoning for voting me is very weak.
Alisae isn't Red for this post imo, could still be Blue but I'm leaning more towards town on him. There was also a point when I called some people out for not putting their votes on "useful wagons" when we had 2 large competing wagons and 2 smaller competing wagons between Alisae and Texcat:
All Alone, Zach, HS, Kyouko, rb, Wraith, drealmerz all either SRed Gin or didn't believe his claim I think. That leaves Slick and Echo. Those are my top suspects for Blue mafia based on that reread, if there was a Blue Mafia in Gin's vigpool. I'd rather try to get Red to shoot at them than mislynch a lurker, but I'd go Slick's way today. Not Echo today I don't think. I didn't find anything conclusive in there but I feel like my reads are in a better place now than they were before I went back to read
I may have misunderstood but it seemed to me like HS was saying Wraith if multiball because he thought Gin was scum? Not sure, will see what HS has to say about the multiball flip.
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Post #3051 (isolation #57) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:38 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
In post 2992, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.
He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target
The intention of my post was to express that I think the Wraith wagon is a bad choice and we should reexamine Gin's wagon and fakeclaim to see if anything stands out as scummy. Ideally we look for a pool of blue mafia suspects today and lynch from in there in hopes that if we miss, red mafia will still shoot at our pool in hopes of hitting blue. We can look for red suspects too to try to direct blue's shots at red but it would be best to try to lynch blue today imo
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Post #3057 (isolation #59) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:49 pm
Postby ssbm_Kyouko »
In post 3053, Zachstralkita wrote:Of your original post, what of my response to it was unwarranted and what of my response to it was incorrect given the context
That's not how this works. You said my original post was inaccurate, but when I pointed out that I didn't see what was inaccurate about it and then explained the intentions behind my post like you asked, you never pointed out what was inaccurate about my post. I felt like your vote was unwarranted.
What about my post was inaccurate?
@Dunn I seriously doubt there's a real vig and even if there were one they could have just as easily ignored Gin's claim and shot him overnight instead of lynching him. I doubt that both Red Mafia and a Vig failed to kill last night, but it's possible that Blue and the Vig both shot at Texcat considering that slot's play yesterday around Gin and rb.
pedit: Gin's claim stunk tbh and I think whether people believed it or not given he flipped town is NAI as long as it's consistent with their reads of Gin before his claim.