Yes and I stand by it.In post 156, BigYoshiFan wrote:Remember your RVS vote on me Mini Normal 1832? I do.
VOTE: BigYoshiFan
Yes and I stand by it.In post 156, BigYoshiFan wrote:Remember your RVS vote on me Mini Normal 1832? I do.
Nah we need to send you into the nearest abyss.In post 255, BigYoshiFan wrote: You die first.
I never said your scumread couldn't be real. Even scum are going to have real scumreads in multiball.In post 279, Ramcius wrote:well, me and Alisae have still ongoing game together, so till it's not ended, i can't explain my actions, but why you think i can't have genuine feel on Alisae to be scum?
This reads to me like you have a legitimate reason to scumread Alisae, but you're letting him off the hook.In post 270, Ramcius wrote:sure i can, but sheeping is scummy, or starting wagon like that without stating a reason, and next time it might be wagon on you after naked vote
It reads to me like he is claiming to scum read alisae but doesn't want to put any effort or credibility into pushing him seriously.In post 299, Pepchoninga wrote: Why should he push for a wagon so early on? All we've got from many of us is just a load of shitposting. Committing to a lynch so fast could be an easu way for scum to manipulate a situation.
I don't believe that anything is NAI. Every post a player makes, they are aware of their own alignment, and thus it will affect them.In post 352, Gamma Emerald wrote: play disclaimers are NAI, go meta Naomi-Tan
What does this have to do with what I was saying. The disclaimer post put him on the radar. His later actions made me vote.In post 355, Gamma Emerald wrote:And yet you SR a disclaimer post, the most NAI thing everIn post 303, Jaack wrote:It reads to me like he is claiming to scum read alisae but doesn't want to put any effort or credibility into pushing him seriously.In post 299, Pepchoninga wrote: Why should he push for a wagon so early on? All we've got from many of us is just a load of shitposting. Committing to a lynch so fast could be an easu way for scum to manipulate a situation.
Yeah I know it's early. But Ramcius' actions look like someone trying to look busy than anything else.
I've heard similar things before (in regards to the NAI stuff) so it's not a big red flag to me. Well I don't love 355 but I'm not feeling that strongly that he's scum.In post 372, Alisae wrote:tbh Jaack I don't really like how Gamma hopped onto you on that one.
Comes off as oppertunistic to me.
I don't really like this response the more I think about it. I feel like pepcho is trying too hard to get on my good side. I gave him a little breathing room and he just straight up agrees with my scumfeels about him.In post 458, Pepchoninga wrote:Understandable. I do throw shade sometimes unintentionally since this is mostly my personality when I point out things I don't like. I do make cases and yes I do scumhunt and this will be shown when I get a good feeling about a SR.In post 449, Jaack wrote:I'm not sure I like how pepcho has thrown a decent amount of shade around since coming under scrutiny.
Which is to say, I don't like it but in kinda agree with his point in 430, and I don't particularly like manuel's response to it.
Alisae wrote:Is this REALLY AI?
In post 369, Jaack wrote: I don't believe that anything is NAI. Every post a player makes, they are aware of their own alignment, and thus it will affect them.
I kind of agree with this? I think? I do think pepcho''s language mishaps are getting overblown, but at the same time I don't think this necessarily makes him town. At the end of the day, I still feel like his MO has been shade throwing and self defense, neither of which are particularly townie activities, and I still think my reasons for voting him still stand.In post 729, Alisae wrote: Pep it's these things that made me think you were a misunderstood townie and makes me think your posting is careless.
Easy enoughIn post 810, Alisae wrote:I'm starting to think that a wagon on Ram might be a good thing.
Anyone wanna join me before I go home and relook at this Ironstove shit?
pedit: Jaack get the fuck back on Ram.
I'll evaluate Manuel when I get back home.
As far as Peregrine goes, fair enough.In post 813, Manuel87 wrote: Thats why he is in my townreads. Also liked his additions later even though i am not really scumreading Iron or Mick myself.
I wonder where i ever said i have a hardcore bullteproof case against gerry? I was asked about my read and i explained it. As simple as that.
What didnt you like about my back and forth with Pep? The part where he threw shade on me or the part where i called him out for it?
Changing your vote after being called out on it does not make things better.In post 814, Ramcius wrote: I'm not overly combative, i'm way too calm considering my other game, from which Pep is judging me
UNVOTE: Alisae
Better now? I can put vote on anyone i want, i just don't see reason trowing votes so early in day, when we start discussing lynch, i will think where to put my vote
The first part of this is pointless semantics. The second part is a major factor contributing to my scumread. You don't appear to care all that much about your vote, despite that being, you know, the primary currency of the day game, and really the game in general for town.In post 817, Ramcius wrote: I'm not changing vote, i take it away, it makes no difference for me if it's on Alisae or nowhere, but you had problem with my vote being on him, so i took away
Okay I'll put it this way. There is no real difference to me where your vote ended up. Unvoting Alisae to appease me is what bothered me. And I think I was pretty clear about it.In post 827, Ramcius wrote:
No, it's not semantics, taking vote away means i don't put in anywhere else, so i don't join/start any wagon
No, i don't care for voting someone at this point, we not going lynch anyone anytime soon, and wagon can come and go in matter of hours, so why should i care for vote? I value much more discussing and bringing up plays i find scummy or anti-town early in day
Well now that you mention it, could you go into more detail on alisae? I know you're townreading his wagon but I'm just not seeing scum in his posts like at all.In post 874, Transcend wrote:Jaack I know you gave a big reads list, but I put you as null because it looks like you're only focused on one slot (Ramcius) when there's 16 other slots, viewing your ISO. I want you to engage with others besides Ram.
Eh I'm not sure that it's really that big of a difference - both have a few vague unexplained reads and nothing else - but I at least kind of get what you're getting at.In post 882, Transcend wrote:Because Lemon was in the process of reading the game and Penguin said that he had read all the game. I didn't like Lemon's skim through, but I really didn't like Penguin offering nothing of substance having read the game.
As far as tone stuff I just don't agree but there's not much to discuss there unless you can be more specific (maybe a couple of posts that have the scummiest to you?)In post 883, Transcend wrote:As for Alisae I don't really like his tone, I don't like his voting patterns, I think his vote on Ramcius is more "who I can easily get lynched" rather than "who I think is scum".
Could you elaborate a bit?In post 887, Alisae wrote: Jaack has me worried for reasons that I don't really know. Like he's wierding me out like, a lot.
I can't really explain my tone to you. I mean, you can review the games in my wiki (it is 100% up to date!) to compare if you'd like.In post 1144, Alisae wrote:The Jaack sh1t case:
I felt really uncomfortable about this slot for most of the game. I nullread it just mostly because tone was wierd. Then I figured that him being null read is sorta puts him a good position.
It is accurate that I did not and have never scumread Pepcho as much as I scumread Ramcius. But at the time I switched over to Pepcho, no one else really seemed to be interested in my Ramcius case, at least to the point of voting there. Especially in the first couple of days, I'd rather be voting for a weaker scumread that has traction than a stronger scumread that doesn't.In post 1144, Alisae wrote:*Jaack note - I am breaking up these paragraphs to respond by point*
He was mostly pushing Ramcius most of the game. Sure he probably has some good points up to where he votes Pep. If anything to me this seems like jumping on the Pep wagon at the wrong time if we consider Pep to be lynchbait. Plus I'm sorta getting the feeling that he doesn't really scumreads Pep as hard as he scumreads Ramcius in that post.
I don't know anything about Pepcho aside from what I've read in this game. If the reason you disagree with my point is because you know pepcho, then you're judging me for not knowing things that I had no reason to know. Furthermore, you accepted my reasoning at the time, and even subsequentially voted pepcho yourself in a couple of pages.In post 1144, Alisae wrote:Also later he mentions something about Pep attempting to save his own skin when he should be trying to push Manuel. Ehh, I would agree if Pep was simply better at videa gamez, but I don't. I know Pep a bit more then ywall, I would probably describe him as a newbie. Still getting the swing of things and he doesn't really seem to know how to exactly deal with people who are SRing him yet alone not get SR'd.
I townread you because you're wagon looked like a lazy wagon from RVS that stuck around for way to long. Also I mostly liked what you'd been saying and doing. But more so the first part.In post 1144, Alisae wrote: I think it's around the time he produces his big readlist he starts to make me feel very uncomfortable. Like if I could put my finger on it, maybe it seemed like he was trying to pocket me in a really indirect fashion? Maybe it was that he was chainsawing me?
I've been voting my strongest scumread that I think has traction this entire game (well except for my BYF vote I guess. That was because I enjoy manipulating yoshis into self destructing.In post 1144, Alisae wrote: After I convince him to get back on Ram, he starts pushing that again. His points on him are kind of strong.
Not to mention if he gets swayed from one of his scumreads to jump on the other he'll show his support for that lynch. I sorta do this too as town, but it seems hypocritical to attack Ram by saying that he doesn't care where his vote goes where Jaack's own vote acts sorta similarly.
That's like not at all what I'm saying.In post 1675, Pepchoninga wrote:Sooo I don't like this post. Basically he is saying this. I think Pep is more likely to be scum then iron. So let's lynch that first. But yeah, let's lynch clumsy. Cuz he is leaning scum. Uuuuu, no.In post 1668, Jaack wrote:I like this Clumsy wagon a lot more than the iron one.
I still think iron+pepcho makes some sense, but I'm more confident in pepcho scum than iron scum so I'd rather lynch that first.
But yeah, let's lynch clumsy. Ramcius was scumlord and clumsy has been pretty blah, leaning scum.
I'm mostly scumreading Clumsy because of his predecessor. Whenever Ramcius wasn't getting into bicker fights with pepcho he was scum posting (I've explained this before). I didn't like his camping out on Alisae for no reason for like 30 pages, among other things.In post 2092, Fro99er wrote:Ok, Jaake why are you scum reading Clumsy?In post 2090, Alisae wrote:I'll hop on the Clum wagon in a bit, I want to talk with Jaack a bit before I do tho.
Who else are you scum reading and why?
Who is your strongest town read.
What do you make of Alise's post 1144?
1. All my completed games are in my wiki, but I only have one scum game on record (but based on 1677 I think you found them on my own)In post 1211, Alisae wrote: (Quote of 1189)
1. mkay gimmie a town game or two and a scum game or two.
2. Who the fuck cares if people are interested on your ramcius case? Hell saying this makes you look even more oppertunistic. Instead of trying to convince others to switch wagons you hop on the Pep wagon just because it's gaining speed. Really?
3. Gimmie a citation where I accepted your reasoning. I remember voting him because he slipped and he couldn't explain why he slipped or how I was supposed to intrepret the citation in question as not a slip.
4. Fine, how do I know you aren't trying to pocket me and hide under a reason and/or chainsaw me?
5. I know, I'm starting to think that's SvS. But I'm talking about when you so casually switched from Manuel to Ram. (Mo one blames you for your BYF vote)
???In post 2245, Alisae wrote: I ship it.
With that said Pressure doesn't really work if they don't respond to you actively, so a pressure wagon on Jaack is kinda useless right now imo.
With that said, Jaack, what is your opinion on the game currently?
If I had much more to add I would. I'm pretty sure I've expressed reads on everyone who I have a strong opinion on, and those that I don't are hardly posting. I also haven't gotten any strong reads from recent postings.In post 2248, Alisae wrote:Yeah I saw those, I meant like besides those. Like do you have any other thoughts on the game?
Like, any other reads you came up with?
Right now you're just actively lurking.
I'm not going to bother with the scumteams of 4 junk, but I highly doubt it.In post 2644, drealmerz7 wrote:we're at 10v4v4
TOWN:
drealmerz7
Clumsy
kuror
Pine
Elena Fisher
ironstove
ConManMick
Manuel87
PeregrineV
Fro99er
SCUM team #1:
Transcend
Alisae
BYF
Cabd
SCUM team #2:
Gamma Emerald
Jaack
gerryoat
Pepchoninga
I think Clumsy is scum and I think we should lynch it even considering the claim.In post 2665, ironstove wrote:watIn post 2608, Jaack wrote:So yeah, I'd prefer the 'partner' to claim today. And I'd still prefer a Clumsy lynch.
Well sorry. I genuine scumread drealmerz for actively doing nothing. I'd rather lynch clumsy but its obvious that no one else thinks that way. Those are the two scumreads I feel most confident about.In post 3486, Transcend wrote:Anyways Jaack voting someone for being "lurkscum" doesn't make me think you have a genuine thought process. It makes me think you're trying to slide through this day.
I was just listing anyone I would not be 100% against shooting. My preference as the third after drealmerz and pine would be cabd or frogger, but I'm not married to either of those two options.In post 3862, Alisae wrote:The list is too big to attempt to get any reactions.
Hence why I suggested 3
But you could be an irl serial killer with that list
So good job
Like if scum couldn't tell my preference on who I should kill based on reading my posts than town has not shot of losing.In post 3917, Alisae wrote:HEY SCUM! I'M GOING TO ANNOUNCE THE ONE PERSON I AM GOING TO SHOOT OUT OF THE FOUR!
You totally just defeated the purpose of listing 4 names.
pedit: you wanna know what else also screws over scum plannings: not announcing the one person you are going to shoot out of the four.
I can town read someone and disagree with their read.In post 4388, gerryoat wrote:you TR transcend who has a meta hard TR on me, and you think i can be maf?In post 4378, Jaack wrote:Gerry I'm a little more willing to be convinced on.
On D1, despite believing that pep was town you were very open to him being killed, both by lynch and by vig. Hell, you occasionally threw shade on him (3119)In post 4798, gerryoat wrote:Can you actually explain that, i dont get what you're saying. How did my perception of the pep lynch change. I told everyone on it that it was town d1
In post 3731, gerryoat wrote:If jack flips scum, vig should shoot pep if we have one
That zach sheep was kinda scummy, but overall, I still feel like transcend is town and that his wagon is lazy.In post 5278, Alisae wrote:Jaack what is your stance on this Transcend shit.
1. You 100% ignored my initial question about the dreal choice in your ketchup.In post 5279, BigYoshiFan wrote: How am I avoiding discussion about that?
Yeah but it's been a while, I'll go hunt it down.In post 5288, gerryoat wrote:jack did you read my reply to you ages ago