Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[Elena Fisher]

ConManMick-Mason (I think correct me if wrong)
drealmerz7-Has no PT can only be traitor
Alisae-most likely not white mafia (was a white mafia counter wagon)
Jaack-clear ish vig
Zachstralkita
JaeReed-Claimed pr maybe clearing Alisae?
kuror0
Clumsy-Mason
gerryoat-Claims to be neighbored by black mafia
Elena Fisher-White mafia claims to be 1 shot strongman

[Elena Fisher]

I don't really think we have much info on them it's why I have them blank. This is just public info not my bias choice (well maybe a little bias with alisae) but I don't really think we have much on them? What would you put there

[Elena Fisher]

You're not in a pt... everyone knows this

[Elena Fisher]

Why am I scum to you Clumsy?

[Elena Fisher]

Lynch Zach if he didn't fliip black opoenly lynch me

[Elena Fisher]

Kuro0 is one of the only people I see flipping white scum I'll say why after league

[Elena Fisher]

I'd say Zach because I think he's black mafia but I will happily vote kuro0 for these reasons in the next post

[Elena Fisher]

With the 10 players left we have:
ConManMick-Is a mason so can't be white scum
drealmerz7-Has to be a white scum traitor and that's unlikely given they have a goon flip
Alisae-Was a counter wagon to transcend and if they were scum together I think Alisae would've kept there vote on me and pushed me harder
Jaack-Vig
Elena Fisher-Me
Zachstralkita-Transcend actions torwards Zach make me iffy on them being partners but could be
JaeReed-Maybe but there most likely pr
kuror0-Ding ding
Clumsy-Mason
gerryoat-Frog wanted Gerry lynched the whole game and they don't seem like partners I doubt Transcend/Gerry would buddy this hard as mafia



Wanna know the strangest part? Transcend and Frog always had kuro in the "willing to lynch" or the "idk" spot but in there 1500 posts together neither one of them vote kuro0 once Then the next few days come around and you have this:

Well your cases are flawed

Hagd

Yeah

Kuror0 is town

Alisae shit posts for a long while and then votes someone for not shitposting good enough and somehow differentiates between town shitposting and scum shitposting. Thats a bullshit reason to vote someone.

VOTE: Alisae

Here it is. Indigo was replaced by Elena.

@Frogger this is after Alisae did these posts:

Okay caught up
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Okay caught up
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

why vote him?

Immediately voting the dude who called my fake mason claim is basicly a cheap and easy way to get an easy justified vote.
And the shitposting doesn't feel like it's coming from town!Gamma so he's most likely trying to hide in it.

I've been trying to work out if it's a potential chainsaw or not given how early in the game it was. I have it down as "potential chainsaw, probably nothing". Thoughts?

That's a really good find, and the single best point against elena.

Ugh

ok if Elena is scum then it's with cloudy. That would leave other scum as Gerry/trans/Zach/PV/Yoshi/dreal as possibilities. I'm quite sure kuror is town. I believe alisae is town. Jae is town. Jaack/Mick/Clumsy are town.

It still isn't out of the question that Transcend is opposite Elena, and I hated his contradiction earlier that I put in super huge words. If elena flips town the transcend is basically confscum to me.

I need to think about this.

[Elena Fisher]

Also if we have any other pr's besides Jae I suggest they claim because I doubt we have a PT Cop Doctor Masons Vig ??? and a 6th pr

[Elena Fisher]

If Alisae/Jae really are town due to jae's results finding the 2nd black scum is very iffy for me maybe it's dreal as a traitor that'd slightly explain the neighborizer like neighboring your traitor It could be Gerry and Cloud neighorzied dead so Gerry said he was in it instead but these are really grasping at draws

[Elena Fisher]

What the FUCK? This is fake right...RIGHT?

[Elena Fisher]

You're right I don't believe it because iron or jae would've claimed long ago not now.

[Elena Fisher]

The fact you're just like "Oh okay" is ?????????????????? What

[Elena Fisher]

Scum vig is bastard

[Elena Fisher]

Hey Gerry I think you're town. Forgive me

[Elena Fisher]

I'm just gonna wait for jae to say "jk" before I vote him

[Elena Fisher]

Once again no one can say why I'm scum the strong man thing would mean white scum have a neo and a role cop when the only dif between those roles is a role cop gives the exact role neo is just weaker

[Elena Fisher]

Kuror

^

[Elena Fisher]

Hey Alisae let's lynch kuror and then the cc and then zach if game isn't over you can lynch me deal?

[Elena Fisher]

Is it working?

[Elena Fisher]

How am I treating this 1v1 Jae lol

[Elena Fisher]

How am I treating this 1v1 Jae lol

Deflecting to try another lynch on someone that is known lynchbait for one.
Not assessing the CC at all or the crumbs or anything for another.

You look like scum uncomfortable with the situation because you know I'm the real vig yet you don't want to bus Jaack.

Well if the team was me and Jaack I would 100% bus here since I'm already on everyone's radar and I'd want to get towncred but that's wifom I'm not dealing with the cc cause I'm pretty sure this is black mafia and white mafia should be lynched today to reduce the lynches I already think I have the game won in mafia being zach on black kuro0 on white and the cc on black

[Elena Fisher]

Gerry is town I am town the mafia is kuro r zach and one of the cc just lynch those and it's gg

[Elena Fisher]

Why would I do that

[Elena Fisher]

Always lynch in the 1v1.

not true

[Elena Fisher]

With the 10 players left we have:
ConManMick-Is a mason so can't be white scum
drealmerz7-Has to be a white scum traitor and that's unlikely given they have a goon flip
Alisae-Was a counter wagon to transcend and if they were scum together I think Alisae would've kept there vote on me and pushed me harder
Jaack-Vig
Elena Fisher-Me
Zachstralkita-Transcend actions torwards Zach make me iffy on them being partners but could be
JaeReed-Maybe but there most likely pr
kuror0-Ding ding
Clumsy-Mason
gerryoat-Frog wanted Gerry lynched the whole game and they don't seem like partners I doubt Transcend/Gerry would buddy this hard as mafia



Wanna know the strangest part? Transcend and Frog always had kuro in the "willing to lynch" or the "idk" spot but in there 1500 posts together neither one of them vote kuro0 once Then the next few days come around and you have this:

Well your cases are flawed

Hagd

Yeah

Kuror0 is town

Alisae shit posts for a long while and then votes someone for not shitposting good enough and somehow differentiates between town shitposting and scum shitposting. Thats a bullshit reason to vote someone.

VOTE: Alisae

Here it is. Indigo was replaced by Elena.

@Frogger this is after Alisae did these posts:

Okay caught up
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Okay caught up
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

why vote him?

Immediately voting the dude who called my fake mason claim is basicly a cheap and easy way to get an easy justified vote.
And the shitposting doesn't feel like it's coming from town!Gamma so he's most likely trying to hide in it.

I've been trying to work out if it's a potential chainsaw or not given how early in the game it was. I have it down as "potential chainsaw, probably nothing". Thoughts?

That's a really good find, and the single best point against elena.

Ugh

ok if Elena is scum then it's with cloudy. That would leave other scum as Gerry/trans/Zach/PV/Yoshi/dreal as possibilities. I'm quite sure kuror is town. I believe alisae is town. Jae is town. Jaack/Mick/Clumsy are town.

It still isn't out of the question that Transcend is opposite Elena, and I hated his contradiction earlier that I put in super huge words. If elena flips town the transcend is basically confscum to me.

I need to think about this.

@Dream

[Elena Fisher]

what wiggle room would jack give he's locked in a cc there's nothing he can do to change that

[Elena Fisher]

Like I would vote Jaack right now if I was voting in the cc's but I want white mafia not black don't you agree going for white is more important

[Elena Fisher]

Games that feel won but not a lot of people listen are the most upsetting

[Elena Fisher]

what wiggle room would jack give he's locked in a cc there's nothing he can do to change that

The longer this is drawn out the more apathetic people get over it and they stop looking back at the past evidence. That's the wiggle room I'm talking about.

Like I would vote Jaack right now if I was voting in the cc's but I want white mafia not black don't you agree going for white is more important

So why would you think he's not white? I don't think it's kuror. And if you think kuror is the last white mafia and Zach is black, why is your vote on Zach?

This is the shit that makes me suspicious of you. Your words and actions don't add up.

Because I'm more confident on Zach because he can flip either white or black he's going to flip one
If you are sus vote me and then you'll sheep my reads when I die I'm not scared of death when I know I'm right

[Elena Fisher]

my slot wasn't confirmed scum Alisae.

[Elena Fisher]

Jack is flipping black.

[Elena Fisher]

No no it wasn't are you really still bitter at that game? typical

[Elena Fisher]

The end result is still the same for me
VOTE: Kuro
Since you're more likely to not lynch this with me dead I'll try when I'm alive and then you will all vote Zach
Pedit: It's not unless there power can be really hurtful to town and we have no pr's left that can be hurt

[Elena Fisher]

Jack is flipping black.

Reasons?

Read.
What.
I.
Quoted.
Twice.

[Elena Fisher]

The end result is still the same for me
VOTE: Kuro
Since you're more likely to not lynch this with me dead I'll try when I'm alive and then you will all vote Zach
Pedit: It's not unless there power can be really hurtful to town and we have no pr's left that can be hurt

Why are you assuming you'll get nightkilled over what's about to become the confirmed 2-shot vig with Jaack's flip, both masons, and drealmerz7, who was cleared by Yoshi?

Who ever said anything about nightkilled? I assume I'm getting lynched in due time.

[Elena Fisher]

I have been nothing b ut towny in my eyes and quite frankkly it annoys me that I'm even close to a lynch option but what can you do.

[Elena Fisher]

Jack is flipping black.

Reasons?

Read.
What.
I.
Quoted.
Twice.

I've read it. It means nothing to me as to why Jaack couldn't be on white.

That's you speculating that kuror is on white, that's not a reason that Jaack couldn't possibly be on white if kuror is town like I suspect he might be.

Good for you my reason for jaack flipping black is because I think someone else is flipping white really simple

[Elena Fisher]

caps rage duh

[Elena Fisher]

I have been nothing b ut towny in my eyes and quite frankkly it annoys me that I'm even close to a lynch option but what can you do.

Are you an alt?

Yes

[Elena Fisher]

Are you who I think you might be?

Doubtful

[Elena Fisher]

I have been nothing b ut towny in my eyes and quite frankkly it annoys me that I'm even close to a lynch option but what can you do.

Are you an alt?

Yes

I actually, kinda wanna know who's alt you are.

I bet you would.

[Elena Fisher]

I'll quick hammer Jaack if I must but I don't see it flipping white

[Elena Fisher]

Good question maybe just lynching Jaack and getting today over with is a good call.

[Elena Fisher]

I'd like to think you'd give me more credit then being obv scum but if I die kuro and zach go after me so no issues here

VOTE: Jaack

[Elena Fisher]

Clearly not enough if you think I'd set myself up to be in a spot were I'm "obv af scum"

[Elena Fisher]

Yes I do problem?

[Elena Fisher]

VOTE: Zach

[Elena Fisher]

I'm not scum if I was I wouldn't have put myself in this spot can we just lynch zach first holy hell

[Elena Fisher]

No one has said one reason on why I'm scum it's just placing me there not 1 reason what so ever

[Elena Fisher]

I've scumhunted this game and have had genuine thought process this whole game who even is my partner like who can I be partners with?
Pedit: Zach is scum most likely with you or Alisae

[Elena Fisher]

Who has defended me this game? No one lynching me wouldn't be this easy if I had partners just think for a god dam moment

[Elena Fisher]

I don't want to lose this game to one of the most obv scumtimes I have seen.

[Elena Fisher]

You know who tr'd me? Manuel look who died n1 why does my scumteam kill him over someone like clum the other mason. You know who said to auto lynch Zach? Jaereed look whos dead

[Elena Fisher]

And Elena he will die.
After you.

Shut the fuck up I'm pissed that I'm somehow getting lynched over this moron

[Elena Fisher]

VOTE: Elena
Get me out of this game

[Elena Fisher]

I haven't got this upset over a mafia game in a long time get me out right now

[Elena Fisher]

I'm town and if you're town I honestly hope you lose

[Elena Fisher]

Anyone with half a brain would know I'm town here

[Elena Fisher]

I don't normally ate but holy fuck this is pissing me off

[Elena Fisher]

I'm not unvoting gerry you scumread me and so does the rest of the playlist lynch me so town can lose thank you

[Elena Fisher]

Alisae why don't you lynch ZACH TODAY

[Elena Fisher]

There's no reason I kill the mason who had a giant ass tr on me n1 over clum get that through your head scream wifom all you want but that's a dumb risk for wifom when you can have solid facts

[Elena Fisher]

Because your scum.
Duh

If I jumped off your ego onto your iq points I'd die

[Elena Fisher]

Kuro or gerry or whoever isn't voting me do it now auto lynch zach tomorrow and have fun trying to find the last scum.

[Elena Fisher]

Being angry is fine.

Insulting is not.
Please don't.

Noted.

[Elena Fisher]

Elena do you think Alisae is town yes or no.

Most likely I'm just upset and bias I think it's zach/kuro it could be dream depends on zach's flip if he's pr etc
I just still don't know why have a pt cop without a traitor but meh

I'd say zach/kuro if not kuro then alisae

[Elena Fisher]

Hammer me now thanks

[Elena Fisher]

My fav part of this game will be hearing Zach/Alisae excuse on why I flip town

[Elena Fisher]

Sorry for the insult Alisae I'm just very upset
UNVOTE:
I try not to let my emotions get the best of me but sometimes they slip

[Elena Fisher]

Do any of you think dreal can be traitor or is that just my paranoia

[Elena Fisher]

I'm gonna re read tomorrow and make a final call on my scumteam if you already think I'm scum this should just help you with interactions so no hammer ty

[Elena Fisher]

No it wouldn't be for both mafia as in just the last mafia is a traitor

[Elena Fisher]

I just don't know why black mafia would have a neighborzier otherwise but I could be overthinking . I still think the strongest thing to me being town is black mafia killing manuel the only things I really saw as a "case" on me was zach's half assed thing and me saying "nonblack
mafia"
Pedit: Yes. Gerry why didn't you hammer me when you had the chance if you think scum is me/zach

[Elena Fisher]

Guess I should keep it up then.

[Elena Fisher]

that was most likely because white team was banking on frog getting to the end with the transcend bus cred

[Elena Fisher]

Zach do you think me and Alisae were bussing from the start? Look at the person before me Indigo and you'll see he wasn't very found of him

[Elena Fisher]

Could be It's been in the back of my head but I'm mostly kept saying "na" I see Kuro on any scumteam to be honest so I'd most likely lynch him first

[Elena Fisher]

8 Alive. 2 scum left (probably).

That means if we manage to mislynch, 1 dies tonight.

6 alive, 2 scum. If we mislynch again, 1 dies at night, that leaves us at 4 alive, 2 scum, GG. So essentially if we miss scum today, tomorrow is MyLo.

I think it's pretty safe to confirm now that Mick is my other Mason partner. That is, if anyone still didnt' know.

So me, Mick, and Dreal are all out of the lynch pool.

That leaves Elena>Zach>Gerry>Kuror0>Alisae as my lynch order.

Elena, have you claimed yet? I don't have much time so I don't want to go digging, I don't think you did. Could you claim for me please? Because I intend to vote you.

VT

[Elena Fisher]

Never lynch Gerry lol

[Elena Fisher]

The neighbor thing doesn't make sense unless Gerry is the traitor of the black mafia team lol

[Elena Fisher]

Alisae please whty would frog check me of all people night 1 we all know transcend did that just to get me lynched cause I power drove his wagon

[Elena Fisher]

I think the main reason I was upset was I felt I did so much this game that I was insulted to be called scum but in reality I didn't do to much did I? Noted.

[Elena Fisher]

I'm off for now if I get lynched final thoughts would be Zach/Kuro0 I really don't think Gerry is scum.

[Elena Fisher]

Who knew what an evening drink coming back to this lovely site would be
VOTE: Zach
Glad to see you woke up Alisae.

[Elena Fisher]

Yeah Elena help me lynch Zach and Kuror and we win the game.
tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Frogger invested you, found out you were a VT, and then tried super hard to push you.

Sounds like music to my ears

[Elena Fisher]

Also Elena understand how I felt in landmark xD

I feel your pain.

[Elena Fisher]

If you think we could both be scum get zach today and me tomorrow I don't see the issue

[Elena Fisher]

Clum you think me and zach are a team so why don't we just lynch him now he's been failing the past day

[Elena Fisher]

I heard there is a cattle ban

but that doesn't mean there won't be any meat

no I hate claims on D1 like that - it's pure scum or severe anti-town either way you need to go

Hey Dreal what's this?

[Elena Fisher]

I'm looking in dreal's Iso for traitor crumbs btw I suggest you do the same.

[Elena Fisher]

What was the tipping point

[Elena Fisher]

You posted it how could you not know
also happy scum day

[Elena Fisher]

Dreal why do you tr zach?

[Elena Fisher]

If you didn't you wouldn't have this much resistance at least imo

[Elena Fisher]

Like I think the set lynches are me/Zach back to back so what's the issue with changing your vote.

[Elena Fisher]

The more dreal talks the more I think he's blackmafia traitor

[Elena Fisher]

You can't explain a post you made that looks like a traitor crumb to me and you think zach can be scum but won't vote him? Seems like you want to get me lynched and then bliz one of Alisae/Kuro

[Elena Fisher]

I heard there is a cattle ban

but that doesn't mean there won't be any meat

no I hate claims on D1 like that - it's pure scum or severe anti-town either way you need to go

this reminds me of the saying
"Pot calling the kettle

black

[Elena Fisher]

You can't explain a post you made that looks like a traitor crumb to me and you think zach can be scum but won't vote him? Seems like you want to get me lynched and then bliz one of Alisae/Kuro

oh fucking geeez

why the fuck does that look like a traitor crumb??!?!?!??!

I explained the post, I just didn't remember on the spot, I had to go back and read the opening to the thread

Did you explain it? I don't see. also I'll prob re read and see but please I don't understand why you're so iffy

[Elena Fisher]

HAHAHAHAHA that's ridiculous

you are fucking desperate, eh? - please, take me through the thought process there, how dose that remind you of that?

this is classic case of "damn, the lynch we want isn't going through, let's push elsewhere!"

*yawn*

How is this lynch not going through? There are other people who can vote I'm not pushing you I'm asking you questions. You're very defensive though.

[Elena Fisher]

@Mod if a traitor is the last mafia alive can they make kills or would there team lose?

[Elena Fisher]

You keep saying I'm desperate but I'm simply asking you to explain things and you're not doing it. I don't understand you're thought process "I don't townread this player and they have a wagon I can put at L-1 and the other player I am voting will most likely be the lynch tomorrow." and yet you're putting your feet in the ground.

[Elena Fisher]

What am I doing that's stubborn? Why are you running away from simple questions lol.

[Elena Fisher]

I am very confused right now.

[Elena Fisher]

I told you why it looks like a crumb to me althrough the fact I was looking for a crumb could've made me reach a bit. I feel like I am asking you questions though you don't townread a player and the other person you sr is most likely getting lynched the next day so what's the issue with not voting

[Elena Fisher]

@MOD is a traitor given a PT that is just for them?

Not that I know of

[Elena Fisher]

Really? That's the first time I've heard of that.

[Elena Fisher]

I told you it reminded me of a saying and it did but thankfully you'll be clear if we ever lynch scum so I don't really need to worry given we just cleared up that info

[Elena Fisher]

Gotcha.
Elena I might actually follow you on this traitor shit if Zach flips Black.
It would make a lot of sense for the nieghborizer and a traitor to be on the same scumteam together.

I said this ages ago lol

[Elena Fisher]

When zach flips scum if he's anything but traitor dreal is clear because traitors get end gamed

[Elena Fisher]

I told you it reminded me of a saying and it did but thankfully you'll be clear if we ever lynch scum so I don't really need to worry given we just cleared up that info

HOWWWWW DOES IT REMIND YOU OF THAT?!?!?!?!?!?

cattle sounds like kettle x)

[Elena Fisher]

I'm not even pushing you and you're having a mini freak out. You clearly see why issues are showing up right? From our eyes if you're a traitor and zach's scum you don't want him lynched (duh) cause you'd lose but you say you don't tr zach so the things you say don't line up with your actions

[Elena Fisher]

btw in order crumb black traitor all you need to do is say something like

"I'm a modern day machiavelli"

maybe that's too blatant?

oh come on that's easy get more creative

[Elena Fisher]

facedesk

[Elena Fisher]

Expected that one lol my lynch pool is voting me how shocking. Now we just need the masons to lynch scum. You're saying I'm throwing shit when there just idea's and questions would you rather I keep that stuff to myself? My case on you was valid because I had you as a poe scumread as the only one who could be white scum given the "clears" we had (keep in mind jaack was considered clear at this time) I didn't see zach on white mafia and Jae at the time cleared Alisae so that left you. I think my logic made sense at that time

[Elena Fisher]

Notice how people called me scum with zach and now that Alisae isn't going for me 24/7 they call me and him partners

[Elena Fisher]

And I call it BS because at the time you were sure I was white scum and avoided jaack lynch or even address the 1v1 in hopes to negate info from town (and that would mean another NK) and now you are sure I am scum on the black team. Which means you first had me sure on white due to poe but now you have me as sure on black because you need to push for anything you can.

Ideas and questions? They are leading questions as drealmz pointed out. You are jumping around looking for anything you can use to push on anyone.

you mean I avoided the jaack lynch on the obv scum between Jae/Jaack? Yes yes I did because in my eyes it was best to aim for white scum to avoid nightkills Yes I think you are still scum given the events that have happened today.

[Elena Fisher]

Masons I think I have shown that I am town and you've seen my thoughts cleary if you have any questions for me I'll be here most of the day (I promise not to freak out again)

[Elena Fisher]

further more on why my case is not "bullshit" and why I thought you were white mafia is this we had these people alive:
ConManMick
drealmerz7
Alisae
Elena Fisher
Zachstralkita
kuror0
Clumsy
gerryoat
Jae
Jaack
If you look at this list at the time Jae claimed a pr that was basically a soft to clear Alisae (everyone thought that was why they unvoted) We had jaack as a vig and we had the mason duo of clum/con so that leaves
Zach
Dreal
Kuro0
Gerry
(from my pov) Gerry and Transced buddied each other hardcore plus Gerry semi butted heads with Frog so I didn't think mafia would buddy each other so hard Transcend wanted Zach nearly the whole game and Zach wanted Frog so that took him out from my eyes aswell Dreal was PT cleared and it was unlikely he was a traitor given the flips So who does that leave as white scum in my eyes? Kuro0.

[Elena Fisher]

Or you can't argue it and you're giving an excuse to not answer it k gotcha

[Elena Fisher]

Thank you I would like to help the town win so I'm glad you're taking notice ^_^ (I know that's not what you meant but I 'm taking it that way )

[Elena Fisher]

Can I ask who you think my partner is?

[Elena Fisher]

Wait dumb question nvm

[Elena Fisher]

Clum you think me and zach are a team so why don't we just lynch him now he's been failing the past day

This post stood out to me. This is what I'm getting from it.
"Lynch Zach today, so that when he flips town, I can say 'See, you were wrong, you're wrong about me too,' and steer the wagon away from me again."

Anyone else catching that vibe? You're constantly saying to lynch Zach instead of you. I get that you two are the main wagons, but it feels very strange to me.

More catchup at some point here, just got home.

Because I want to live.

[Elena Fisher]

I feel like this is the breaking point of winning the game or losing it for town it's why I'm trying so hard I want Zach lynched because then I think you'll wake up just like the others did. My lynch pool is voting me and that's very telling to me that I'm right and the game will be over

[Elena Fisher]

Incase I'm lynched I'm gonna post this but I only wanted to post this incase I was lynched but meh

Well you guys lynched me here's what you're doing:

The next day one of the masons will be dead you close your eyes and lynch Zach when he flips scum if the game isn't over Dreal is clear the next day will be the final one with the 4 being Alisae/Gerry/Kuro0/One of Dreal/Con Gerry is my strong townread due to the Cloud neighboring him re read the 2 of Alisae/Kuro0 and come to a group choice I suggest not nling unless you're truly scared. Take a look at interactions etc etc if I had to make my guess I'd say Kuro but my words aren't gold.

[Elena Fisher]

Notice how Kuro still ignores my case on him because he knows it's solid.

[Elena Fisher]

further more on why my case is not "bullshit" and why I thought you were white mafia is this we had these people alive:
ConManMick
drealmerz7
Alisae
Elena Fisher
Zachstralkita
kuror0
Clumsy
gerryoat
Jae
Jaack
If you look at this list at the time Jae claimed a pr that was basically a soft to clear Alisae (everyone thought that was why they unvoted) We had jaack as a vig and we had the mason duo of clum/con so that leaves
Zach
Dreal
Kuro0
Gerry
(from my pov) Gerry and Transced buddied each other hardcore plus Gerry semi butted heads with Frog so I didn't think mafia would buddy each other so hard Transcend wanted Zach nearly the whole game and Zach wanted Frog so that took him out from my eyes aswell Dreal was PT cleared and it was unlikely he was a traitor given the flips So who does that leave as white scum in my eyes? Kuro0.

He said I was making up bullshit for why he was white mafia.

[Elena Fisher]

I don't either now that the mod thing is cleared up if Dreal is a traitor all we have to do is flip ANY black mafia and he's clear

[Elena Fisher]

Gerry isn't scum because of Cloud.

[Elena Fisher]

do you seriously only tr me because of that?

You could prob of lynched me by now so that aswell but mostly yes.

[Elena Fisher]

Quite frankly? Do I think Alisae is towny? Not really Jaereed tr him plus Alisae doesn't have a reason to keep me alive so I believe "flip" compared to "weird townread" from Kuro0 if kuro really thought it was me or zach he shouldn't care this much about changing a vote. Once again Actions don't much up with words

[Elena Fisher]

I don't. I never said I did. At some point recently I said I saw Elena paired with either Zach or Alissae, that's why I wasn't pushing for Alissae and rather focus on Elena at that moment. And due to my vote I think I still hold that thought.

You had a town read on me but always said you had shitty reads this game so you didn't hold it that hight but now suddenly it is a scum read? That's a rather odd progression. Can you walk me through what changed that read?

[Elena Fisher]

If you use common sense it was unlikely given the way they talked to each other and the way there gameplay would've been even a rookie can see that and the way you're just trying to brush that off is so so telling. Are you going to give a real argument or just act like nothing is valid wait don't answer I already know what you'd say

[Elena Fisher]

Ok I will step over a line but I must ask. Are you fucking retarded? How "Elena paired with either zach or Alissae" is the same as "kuro really thought it was me or zach he shouldn't care this much about changing a vote."

Sorry but I will take a step back and come back tomorrow or after you decide a lynch. Dealing with this much intentional selective stupidity is annoying. /off

You sound like upset scum that's caught for the wrong reasons.

[Elena Fisher]

You have a lynch pool of 3 so why's it so hard for you to lynch in the 3?

[Elena Fisher]

Most likely because he could've lied about only being a 1 shot vig

[Elena Fisher]

VOTE: Zach

FUCK YEAH

[Elena Fisher]

Clearly scummy...

[Elena Fisher]

SCUM FLIP TIME

[Elena Fisher]

Fast night this btw

[Elena Fisher]

Just got out of work Zach flipped scum no shocker so dreal is clear
VOTE: Kuro
This was quite easy now that we got our shit together.

[Elena Fisher]

Who do you think he's gonna push smart one! It's gonna be me cause dreal's reads have been....yeah
but don't worry Alisae at least we flipped town so we don't get a repeat of yoshi's game

[Elena Fisher]

I get light shivers cause I'm like "Why is this so easy?" and then I remember everyone else is clear or super town

[Elena Fisher]

Interesting. I'll read that game after work

[Elena Fisher]

UNVOTE:

[Elena Fisher]

VOTE: Alisae

[Elena Fisher]

Alisae scum makes much more sense then Kuro0 scum because if Kuro was scum he must've known he would've likely got auto wagoned given the stand point of the day before while Alisae scum makes much more sense because while he has a chance of his partner getting lynched he knew I'd most likely go for Kuro0 and then the next day you can go after me saying Zach and me were bussing. This doesn't seem like solo scum Alisae does

[Elena Fisher]

Kuro doesn't need to play the way he's doing as scum and that leaves you he's not playing like Solo scum. If we think if your moves from a scum standpoint it makes a ton of sense. The reason why you suddenly switched to tring me because you saw a golden chance.

[Elena Fisher]

I'll let everyone else take there pick but I'm asking to lynch in me/Alisae

[Elena Fisher]

Ffs. Where is clumsy, I wanna hear his reasonings for who he scum reads before I vote

Why can't you vote first? No one is going to hammer yet I'd much rather see your reasoning first before you just "agree" with clum and vote with him

[Elena Fisher]

Look at her 180 from "I'm glad you saw the light" to "Alisae is scum."
Hint: It's fake.

Couldn't I use this logic against you and say you went from "Elena is scum to Elena is town to Elena is scum"
Or I could just say I saw I was wrong.

[Elena Fisher]

Dreal I'm really shocked that your viewpoints haven't changed at all you act like the day before never happened. It's quite funny

[Elena Fisher]

How do I seem more probable?

[Elena Fisher]

Look at my interactiobs with Zach even before the day before

[Elena Fisher]

And it is scum theatre why?

[Elena Fisher]

I just saw I was wrong is all.

[Elena Fisher]

I agree Zach's push on you was last minute. I agree it was bullshit
Wanna know why ?

It was a last minute try to a bus to look like you're not partners Look at his push on me it was thought out and tried to look real he never voted you either only me

[Elena Fisher]

No it means he wanted to lynch town over his scum buddy because he knew he wouldn't live to end game with me scumreading him 24/7 Zach knew he wasn't gonna live if he got me flipped so he wanted to leave his partner best off and who would that be? You with a very bs push to make it look like it's real

[Elena Fisher]

Well I don't believe that Elena is solving, at all. her play reeks of it.

She had a few pings to me when I was catching up day 1 and those were pretty strong to me, theyre in my catch up.

Transcend scumplay is always omgus or pressure people that go for him it's really easy to tell. Kepp the wagon going vig Gerry tonight that's 2 scum down

This is a really weak argument by the way in the sense that it's so vague. Also by the fact that I think Transcend's wagon is mostly scum driven.

Pretty clear scumteam trying to frame me for that push when Pep was scummy as shit and also pushing clum the day before.
Pedit: I think there on w/e non blackmafia is btw

Oh gee.. whats non blackmafia....... other mafia team isnt usually the opposite color.... hmm.. if I say non blackmafia no one will scumread me for saying white

Look at that scum wagon on Alisae holy shit lol

>wagon has a mason and a PR claim

yep i just need to discredit the people thats not me.. ... and low key everyone else.. so they can maybe vote for transcend


Like.. why.. why do I have to case this.. why isn't it visible

Elena's play is manufactured for sure

her rxn to the nonblack mafia thing when drealmerz pressed her was hilarious too

I believe you know far more than you are playing like (because you're scum) and you nothing short of manipulate your opposition's arguments. You had a few pings to me day one. When I ping, I ping.


Your defense is strong that's why the longer you live the worse it ends up. Who wants to bet she evades the lynch? Fro99er and co. will help with that.

I'm going to nap now.

No ma'ammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If I could say it about any player I wouldn't have said it about 1 player DUHHHHHHH see this is what I mean



Also Transcends defense evidently isn't that strong lmao he's about to get murked

I mean you're playing like there is a wall between your thoughts and what comes out in your posts and it is there on purpose

There's a few people I can't say that about, namely JaeReed after going into his posts. I said before I wanted to vig him, which I am retracting.




Your logic on transcend wagon is completely null

If I recall day 1 there were like 3 wagon switches after pep initial wagon and it went BACK TO PEP


He was not scum

Organic thought VS Manufactured thought is the gist of it,

I believe you fall into the second category and the matter of differentiating between the two hinges on tone, progression, reads and reactions

I'll get back to you with more solidified stuff on the Day 1 end, I already have some opinions

Zach had a sr on me since the start of the game AND tried to make cases against me for it he was trying to get me lynched he wasn't trying to get you lynched

[Elena Fisher]

You're basically saying Zach was trying to bus me from the start of his sub in

[Elena Fisher]

Is that the best answer you can give to what I am presenting?

[Elena Fisher]

His case on me= genuine
his last minute bull shit case on you (that you can't take back because you said it yourself) was a last minute try to distance

[Elena Fisher]

You have to make genuine cases in multiball you're still hunting for the other scumteam Zach most likely thought I was white mafia or was just trying to mislynch me you can clearly see effort put into his case while the one on Alisae was...Lol

[Elena Fisher]

Why Con over Clum by the way? Con was clearly the more inactive mason so why not keep him alive. There most be a reason imo.

[Elena Fisher]

Guess who also the counter wagon to transcend was

Me.

[Elena Fisher]

....So was I? Did your brain just choose to forget that I was At L-2 against transcend aswell

[Elena Fisher]

I was at L-2 against Transcend aswell. So you're logic of "I'm so town because I was a wagon against transcend" Doesn't make sense because for 1) He was white scum and for 2) So was I so how can call that towny and not call me towny doesn't make sense

[Elena Fisher]

How does my wagon against transcend = white vs black but yours doesn't again?

[Elena Fisher]

How does my wagon against transcend = white vs black but yours doesn't again?

[Elena Fisher]

LET ME REMIND YWALL THAT ELENA IS THE ONE THAT TRIED TO PLACE DOUBT IN JAEREED'S CLAIM!
SCUM LIKE TO PLACE DOUBT.
TOWN HAVE NO NEED TO PLACE DOUBT.
KILL SCUM!

This is a lie.
Pedit: It seems random and out of place does Alisae normally ate?

[Elena Fisher]

Why are you so upset?

[Elena Fisher]

You know I was a counter wagon to transcend and I never placed doubt on jae yes?

[Elena Fisher]

UNVOTE:
hm
Pedit: Shhh

[Elena Fisher]

Well I tr Gerry so I don't really see myself not lynching kuro/Alisae I'd rather be right first though.

[Elena Fisher]

Hey Alisae let's lynch kuror and then the cc and then zach if game isn't over you can lynch me deal?

That's me casting doubt on jae? O_o

[Elena Fisher]

I...never ever said that

[Elena Fisher]

Like I would vote Jaack right now if I was voting in the cc's but I want white mafia not black don't you agree going for white is more important

I'll quick hammer Jaack if I must but I don't see it flipping white

Good question maybe just lynching Jaack and getting today over with is a good call.

I'd like to think you'd give me more credit then being obv scum but if I die kuro and zach go after me so no issues here

VOTE: Jaack

[Elena Fisher]

You lynch inside the cc of course I didn't mean "oh let's just blind pick" Jae was clearly real so dealing with the cc felt pointless

[Elena Fisher]

THE FACT!
THAT BOTH KUROR!
AND ELENA!
BOTH WANT MY HEAD ON A PLATTER!
MEANS THAT I'M TOWN!
FFS

You know how Kuro said he wanted me dead early today...And how you wanted me lynched the day before along with zach and kuro so does that make me town?

[Elena Fisher]

I'm a sucker for ate I'lm gonna re read again

[Elena Fisher]

Why does Scum Gerry defend my lynch though?

[Elena Fisher]

It seems overkill he could just lynch me and then along with Zach can lynch one of u2

[Elena Fisher]

Like Gerry looks bad in Zach's iso but do you think Cloud was like "I'll pretend to neighbor you!"

[Elena Fisher]

I tr everyone so I'm just...I don't know like I can see things for everyone being town

[Elena Fisher]

Pere who the fuck did you doc? Did you rly doc the non cop claim like wtf

[Elena Fisher]

I don't know why scum you just says outright lies and the ate sigh what the fuck

[Elena Fisher]

Ehhhh Cloud's iso reaks of trying to buddy Gerry

[Elena Fisher]

zzzzz
Logic poiints to Alisae
Gut/Heart says Kuro

[Elena Fisher]

Idk why I always tr the "Lynch me then ___" lines
Pedit: Can you show me?

[Elena Fisher]

Alisae are you normally this I guess flippy would be the right word to use. I don't really sr it cause I'm the same way

[Elena Fisher]

This goes to both of you: What did I do/ the other do to change your minds cause you both were voting me at one point the day before ready to lynch me right after Zach

[Elena Fisher]

VOTE: Alisae
I just need Clum to tr me and we can win so hopefully he knows why I can't be scum so I'm gonna close my eyes and pray hope he does if he doesn't I'll prove why I am

[Elena Fisher]

I'm gonna stop dwelling on this if I'm wrong sorry

[Elena Fisher]

You only have 2 votes on you.

[Elena Fisher]

Wait 3 excuse me
Me dreal and Kuro

[Elena Fisher]

Yes of course everyone else would be clear/clearish

[Elena Fisher]

no...you kill Jae because they can lie about being a 2 shot vig -_-

[Elena Fisher]

no...you kill Jae because they can lie about being a 2 shot vig -_-

Also how was it obv zach was getting lynched the next day DURING THAT DAY IW AS THE ONE WHO WAS GETTING LYNCHED?
How is it obv you are just stating false info now