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ok sort of finished catching up. (form 6 to 8 i skimmed then got a bit of cancer as someone said and jumped to page 12 since my Hi post because it seems content started somewhere there, read thoroughly up to page 17 but got work to do so stopping there atm.)
I was going to give some quick thoughts but I'm not really good picking a game like this I would have too many seeded thoughts so I will just take what I think as a base and will keep up from now on to truly get my own reads.
I'm sure someone somewhere said alisae wagon was bad so could you explain why you think the ones there or the ones pushing are scum?Too lazy to be scum.-
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You knew it was fake but still used the situation to try to get some sort of town look, which is scummy. You used it to look better yourself and not to try to sort others alignment. And resorting to attack the player when you couldn't come right away with a justification of the accusation is just weak play.In post 494, gerryoat wrote:
I'm not the one who did the shot, just went along with it. And I don't really care what affect it has on you. Especially when you've done nothing all game lolIn post 489, kuror0 wrote:that was as fake as it gets. plus gerry saying yeah I am town and I'm dead mod will do my flip next post right after the vc is... I think Gerry is screaming too much he is town in hopes someone believes him and I'm getting the opposite effect every time.
As someone said you did imply you were town so don't try to wash your hands.
@Alisae I do think misrepresentations are AI. confusion could come from town but more often than not intentional misreps come from scum.
Just to be clear here. after reading everything again I can tell you. No, it is not a misunderstanding from me. You did say you were killed and that mod was about to do the flip and you did also imply you were town. If you think something else of what I said was a misrep feel free to point it out, for now you earned those scum points.In post 514, gerryoat wrote: He made it seem like i was saying "IM TOWN IM DEAD OMG." when i was just asing what they thought my flip was gonna be. i think it's a misunderstanding on your part and maybe hisToo lazy to be scum.-
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For me it could be by itself if I feel the misrep was made intentionally. As I said there are mix ups and misreps towns do because different point of view or play style or many reasons more but if I truly think it was intentional I usually SR that slot.In post 617, Alisae wrote:
Can misrepresentations make someone scummy just by themselves or does someone else have to do do other things besides misrepresenting to come across as scummy?In post 605, kuror0 wrote:@Alisae I do think misrepresentations are AI. confusion could come from town but more often than not intentional misreps come from scum.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Nope. You are making a clown of yourself. I guess some people can't handle well being caught doing something bad.
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Yes.In post 651, BigYoshiFan wrote:
Are you talking about Transcend's dayvig?In post 489, kuror0 wrote:that was as fake as it gets.plus gerry saying yeah I am town and I'm dead mod will do my flip next post right after the vc is... I think Gerry is screaming too much he is town in hopes someone believes him and I'm getting the opposite effect every time.
You got something completely wrong here. I thought I was clear enough on my point. And I have never ever been intimidated by Transcend plays. I'm wary of him because his posts seems good but his style doesn't suit any game I've seen him being town, still not something I would chase at this point at all. He is sort of town read so far but has nothing to do with my read on gerry and if I town read someone that doesn't mean I will trust their reads or sheep them if I have a different read, specially D1.In post 665, BigYoshiFan wrote: I don't like the way Mick and kuror0 started reacting to gerryoat's reaction to being shot at all. I think they're intimidated by Transcend and his read on gerry.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Are you even reading? already explained my thoughts about that as thoroughly as I could. Something wasn't clear? and what shade?In post 686, BigYoshiFan wrote: That answers how you feel about Transcend, how about your reaction to gerry's reaction to being shot. Also, thanks for the shade.Too lazy to be scum.-
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This is called a difference of play style. It doesn't makes me or you more or less in any way since it is nowhere an AI trait as it varies a lot from player to player and even the same player with the same alignment can take a different course of action if he doesn't fully know or trust or w/e his TR's reads.In post 693, BigYoshiFan wrote:
Also,In post 682, kuror0 wrote:...and if I town read someone that doesn't mean I will trust their reads or sheep them if I have a different read, specially D1.
Never asked for your opinion on how I make reads and I never said the way you read is wrong. This is throwing shade.
And you were sort of linking Transcend TR on garry and my read on transcend and my SR on garry all together or at least that's how I perceived it so I did the clarification about my style.
ah so you think my reaction was faked. I thought tr shoot was pretty fake but nothing to work on that alone, I felt garry reaction was also quite fake but what I disliked was the opportunity to try to look town without doing anything out of it. I said it explicitly.BigYoshiFan wrote:
I made a comment regarding your reaction and how it is completely fake given that you also thought it was obviously fake and the context in which it occurred was also quite revealing of it being fake. Are you even reading?In post 691, kuror0 wrote:
Are you even reading? already explained my thoughts about that as thoroughly as I could. Something wasn't clear? and what shade?In post 686, BigYoshiFan wrote: That answers how you feel about Transcend, how about your reaction to gerry's reaction to being shot. Also, thanks for the shade.Too lazy to be scum.-
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done with you. You say I throw shade on you, I make the clarification why I think it is nothing AI so no shade throwing and no harm intention and was just getting things straight but you say it is filler so feel free to push for me or w/e the fuck you want it is annoying to talk to someone who is not interested in my answers but just wants to get reasons to scum read me.In post 712, BigYoshiFan wrote:
The first portion of this is filler.In post 703, kuror0 wrote: This is called a difference of play style. It doesn't makes me or you more or less in any way since it is nowhere an AI trait as it varies a lot from player to player and even the same player with the same alignment can take a different course of action if he doesn't fully know or trust or w/e his TR's reads.
And you were sort of linking Transcend TR on garry and my read on transcend and my SR on garry all together or at least that's how I perceived it so I did the clarification about my style.
Also, the first portion of that quote is clarifying on how you are not intimidated by Transcend. I understand that. The bolded section, however, is an attempt to discredit me. I'm not expecting you to play like I do and you were not provoked to say this.In post 682, kuror0 wrote: He is sort of town read so far but has nothing to do with my read on gerryand if I town read someone that doesn't mean I will trust their reads or sheep them if I have a different read, specially D1.
Fake reaction for a fake shot, sounds good to me and nothing worth extracting a paragraph like yours from except to try and throw suspicion on someone.BigYoshiFan wrote:In post 691, kuror0 wrote:
ah so you think my reaction was faked. I thought tr shoot was pretty fake but nothing to work on that alone, I felt garry reaction was also quite fake but what I disliked was the opportunity to try to look town without doing anything out of it. I said it explicitly.Too lazy to be scum.-
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ok finished catching up and got some thoughts.
Then add me to that list cause I think along the same lines toward gerry. The player attitude is not my cup of tea but w/e we are all different and that's ok what I SR most is that he has been only taunting everyone who SRs him and nothing else. I see no single effort to discern if the slot is town or scum it is like if you SR gerry he will instantly SR back.In post 963, Pine wrote: Could it possibly be so easy as Mick/Manuel/Ram?
Transcend's posts, at least most of them look really town if not for the voice on my head that screams this is not the town transcend I've seen play he would be firmly a town read.
Alisae did ask a lot of questions but I think they were all leading nowhere so it just appears as being participative and helpful while providing nothing and I'm wary of this cause I've seen a couple of scums trying to pull that.
Pep and Ram I feel the potential of a SvT but not sure which is which. I'm not even sure if it is SvT or just 2 towns tunneling each other or what so yeah... null till I see other interactions.
Those are my most prominent reads still not so sure about all the rest but just felt like letting you guys know.
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ok not sure where to start from all this. So I will just go from my last post.
Clumsy claim seems real but I agree with iron about his partner confirming. You say 2 shots means they can take both masons. I say they have no way to coordinate the attack and risk of hitting the same target. Plus having 2 confirmed towns around would maybe help to take a decision towards the lynch.
On the same topic I think it is safe to assume there is indeed 2 mafia teams and not a mafia and a SK or some other set up. Too many people assuming 2 mafia teams from the start makes me believe the scum pm sort of indicates another mafia team, like someone suggested red mafia and blue mafia or something like that. I still don't completely discard the chance of a sk but I feel pretty confident 2 mafia teams are around.
Which leads me to the next thing and is gerry's best efforts to scumpost.
Multiball with 2 scumteams on my mind and I don't know what else lurking around means I don't give a fuck if I vote along a scumread of mine specially D1. Second while I had a scumlean on clumsy at the time the whole idea of the vote wasn't to hammer or end the day, was to check waters and reactions. (I know transcend said it was hammer but I actually tend to vote count before I vote to avoid effing things up so I knew he wasn't that close to hammer.) That's why I first talk about the returning players and say nice end of the day, it is not about hammering and finishing right away it is about having 5 days left and the thread won't be dominated by the same 3 players and the same 2 shitposters. Iron or Fro complained about the resistance on clumsy wagon so I figured a quick unbased vote like that should start some sort of discussion. I was hoping someone would use it to jump off the wagon or something that would shed light.In post 2355, gerryoat wrote:
Especially after saying that he scumread me, he saw me just vote Clumsy. and the wording of it seems a bit weird. He's more worried about ending the day then finding mafIn post 2256, kuror0 wrote:ok finally finished catching up. But for now I will just VOTE: clumsy
Many players are catching so we should have a nice end of the day, I have to sleep but tomorrow will post my list and ideas.
Those suggesting me as a wagon or any other of the low post-low interaction slots at this point and how things rolled this day instantly got scumpoints on my book. I will try to stay active and discuss as much as I can now and if it leads to a lynch on me that's fine because I will try to get as much as possible but up to this point you will get shit info from my flip so the suggestion is not a town motivated idea.
ehh that's all I can remember for now so
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Iron, Fro
manuel: due to many reads going along my train of thought.
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alisae and gerry
pepcho clumsy(now safe)
leaning scum
transcend: Erratic strong first part then only shitposting plus all the confirmation him and gerry has been pulling on each other makes me doubt.
Pine: meta + gut but I haven't seen all that much of him to trully follow those at this point. Plus he is subpar lynch compared to alisae.
everybody else full null due to lack of participation or too erratic to be judged, plus me being only catching up to this point makes it harder to get accurate reads.
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Sadly I mentioned you but on the surface. The fact still holds 1250 posts later. You look participative and ask a lot of questions but they aim at nothing all, they are all dead ends or pointless. It is just to make you look like helping when you don't. Your constant sheeping attitude, the amount of shitposting that swamp the thread. The gracious attitude towards those that had been leading the wagons to get on their good side.In post 1024, kuror0 wrote:ok finished catching up and got some thoughts.
Then add me to that list cause I think along the same lines toward gerry. The player attitude is not my cup of tea but w/e we are all different and that's ok what I SR most is that he has been only taunting everyone who SRs him and nothing else. I see no single effort to discern if the slot is town or scum it is like if you SR gerry he will instantly SR back.In post 963, Pine wrote: Could it possibly be so easy as Mick/Manuel/Ram?
Transcend's posts, at least most of them look really town if not for the voice on my head that screams this is not the town transcend I've seen play he would be firmly a town read.
Alisae did ask a lot of questions but I think they were all leading nowhere so it just appears as being participative and helpful while providing nothing and I'm wary of this cause I've seen a couple of scums trying to pull that.
Pep and Ram I feel the potential of a SvT but not sure which is which. I'm not even sure if it is SvT or just 2 towns tunneling each other or what so yeah... null till I see other interactions.
Those are my most prominent reads still not so sure about all the rest but just felt like letting you guys know.
P-edit: holy crap I was up to date with post 981 so this post ignores everything that came after that.
Those are the things at the top of my mind. out for lunch.Too lazy to be scum.-
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So you are scumreading yoshi or just sheeping?In post 2411, Alisae wrote:I may actually write a Yoshi case when I get home lmao.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Well let's use the lil time I got. Which post exactly you mean it was bad and why?In post 2448, gerryoat wrote:
o ok i missed that post. still think it was a bad post at the timeIn post 2446, kuror0 wrote:Can't read for your life or just playing to be blind gerry?Too lazy to be scum.-
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ok. Now why you used the remark "still think it was a bad post at the time". Does it mean you still consider a bad post or does it mean you had it as bad but the explanation I laid recently made you reconsider about it or what? That remark alone is a lilttle empty and unhelpful so let's see where are you coming from help me get a better read on you if you think I'm misguided on SRing you.In post 2454, gerryoat wrote:
@kur this oneIn post 2256, kuror0 wrote:ok finally finished catching up. But for now I will just VOTE: clumsy
Many players are catching so we should have a nice end of the day, I have to sleep but tomorrow will post my list and ideas.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Sure on that hypothetical scenario would be weird but taking into account you are completely aware of the multiball and you misunderstood my phrase when I said nice end of the day not anything close to let's end the day. And to be fair I didn't had much of a scum read on the slot previous to clumsy (I forgot the name) I knew it was a fight between him and pep but couldn't sort them correctly because they were way too deep going for each others throat which made me think there was a high chance for SvT but couldn't sort them at that point however I did get scum vibes from clumsy when he replaced in.gerryoat wrote:SO fmpov i'm thinking like "This guy says i'm maf in all his posts and then suddenly votes the biggest wagon just to end the day, after I just voted and I was his only scumread" if I did that, would you not find that weird?
p-edit: ima just quote what I'm answering since 20 post happened in a second (quotes the gerry thing on the top of the post).Too lazy to be scum.-
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I'm not sure about yoshi my read there is not worthy. He has been pushing me on the side like a scum would but then I've seen so little of him I feel it is the same rushed judgment I'm trying to avoid on other slots. Plus I really think this is your team effort to derail your lynch. I mean your wagon just started growing and derailed fast as fuck towards yoshi with 1 simple post which was:
Where you basically say that you are aware you have been playing scummy but yoshi looks worse and then BANG people jumping on yoshi. (When I get time I will check who moved from your wagon to yoshi just for fun and giggles) You were aware you were acting scummy but you didn't stop those actions so it was intentional and not town motivated all your actions.In post 2405, Alisae wrote:ribbit. Croak.
I think if people who are SRing me should look towards Yoshi, I think if you're SRing me he might look a bit worse.
pedit: stawwp, at the rate we're going we might as well just have Clums tell us. Let's remember scum have daytalk.
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Side note I still like more a clumsy's partner claim. I don't want to have things on the loose and tbh I see little drawbacks from the claim. You are scared you are gonna get killed? think you 2 will be the first targets to be protected and that mafia has to deal with the uncertain of that or that both shot the same one etc I don't understand why so scared to claim mason partner when 1 was outed.
more p-edit: Some people say it is simple to find clumsy partner looking at the iso, that's great I must admit I haven't checked and at this point got no clue who the partner is, but then again if it is so easy to find or a couple of players already found it why hide? Probably some scum already did, so?Too lazy to be scum.-
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First off I was totally expecting this. Scum play so hard, yet your partners protect you pushing another wagon and town is too dumb to notice. So anyways that why I asked if you were SR yoshi or just sheeping. You said SR and that you would make a case. Now, that wasn't more than 5 pages apart since I quoted you saying "If you scumread me you should look at yoshi he is worst." which means if you scumread him you knew your actions were scummy by the EXACT same reasons you scum read him yet you were still doing them on purpose which means scum motivation.In post 2690, Alisae wrote:I catched up and there's nothing I want to respond to besides the following:
Trans, if you scumread my slot you should be scumreading Yoshi's slot because Yoshi has been acting a lot like I have this game but only with a lowered amount of shitposting.
Kuror0, it's not that I'm aware of how scummy I am, it's moreso "Hey, if you scumread my slot, look at the Yoshi slot, because they have been doing a lot of things that you scumread me for doing" Period.
Also, this is the 4th time that you have been asked: What is your read on Yoshi. If you don't answer I will powerwagon you after Yoshi. Becuase qutie frankly to me you are coming off as avoiding the question, and I am tired of it. Not to mention I asked you 3 times now, and Frogger once. You never answered the question.
Garry I'm going to look for that has been giving me this wierd feelings about you and going to do that Yoshi case in a bit.
pedit: 12 posts while I was writing this one. WOW. Just wow.
If you don't know my stance towards yoshi and as garry can't read for shit then that's not my problem. Already said what I think about him but why I was not pushing harder for him. I have a way stronger read and I know I caught scum on you so it is a matter of time for people to realize it even if yoshi lynch comes first. I have no problem lynching him first then you but I would rather lynch you first because it is my read and I feel confident about it.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Please I don't remember you ever calling yoshi scum before that point. (If you did provide me some proof so I will shut up) You used him as scape goat and your wagon quickly changed direction all was way too coordinated and convenient. Plus you said he is scum because he is acting like you do, so...In post 2730, Alisae wrote:Oh? So is it scummy to direct the pressure you're giving me onto someone else? You're basicly giving me the spotlight in your eyes so I figured wynaut. Hell cause I had a wagon on me, I had the spotlight, so I used that as an advantage to attempt to start a push on my own scumread.
Because it's not my obligation to change my behavoir to avoid people form percieving me from looking scummy. I don't care if you think I am town if you think I am scum, it is my duty to lynch scum and explain why they are scum. Not prove why I am town.
Also sorry I just missed the post where you gave the Yoshi read. And let's just say I don't buy a single word of it. Because to me it looks like you're just being lazy instead of attempting to give me a read on him (which is what I asked for) and why. If you haven't seen much from him, then you should ISO dive him.
Not to mention you use the term team to describe how my lynch got derailed, and that right there is a pre-flip association.
pedit: FOR FUCK SAKE 9 MORE POST AND I'M GETTING TO IT GARRY!
Accusing of pre flip association when I've never mentioned 1 player and before you jump on that I'm not as retarded to believe everyone voting yoshi would be on your scumteam. Btw hypocrisy again to fit your needs because you sasid you would push hard for me after yoshi flips scum. Isn't that exactly pre flip association?
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are you guys going in circles? Cuz it feels like gerry just wants to deflect and and you guys try to show the point and he deflects all over again. Why do I feel familiar with that... ah right alisae is doing the same. Hopefully we can agree on some lynch before page 150 and those who were catching up eventually finish.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Will do it probably but want to use the time for a couple of things more. I want to hear from PV, Cabd, Elena and a couple more I can't remember plus:
You skimmed but how are your reads at this point. If you think about replacing out maybe leaving your thoughts and reads before doing so could help us.In post 2899, Pine wrote:Seriously considering replacing out. It isn't lack of interest or reads, but the pace. I'll tough it out through D1, and see if I can handle it D2.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Let him finish his shit and come do his claim. We let clumsy off the hook for a mason claim and now you wanna lolhammer because can't hold it in your pants for a lil bit. We are not on a rushed deadline and he said he is reading so let's just wait. if the claim is not something we believe we hammer and that's it. I see no point in all the fuzz and rush to hammer now that he started to claim a strong pr. His attitude is shit his claim so far was weak and I doubt his claim is any good but if there is a chance he is town and a PR we shouldn't lynch before he makes his full claim.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Weird as fuck role honestly. But if in this set up it was specified something like not normal roles were possible I could believe in it. If the mod said it will be a full normal game then I don't believe it and I'm up for his lynch. Now looking for a way to confirm any of the 2 options.Too lazy to be scum.-
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I said it in some of my post. Too many people were sure there were 2 maf teams which made me believe scum had some sort of indication on their roles that there was another maf team.In post 3260, BigYoshiFan wrote:Why? Personally, I found it fishy that people kept assuming 2 scumteams, but I never materialized that superstition into anything.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Sorry for being an stupid ignorant and not knowing this. I was wasting time thinking on things like SK and other stuff. Thx for the info.In post 3267, Clumsy wrote:Mafiascum Wiki wrote:Multiball is a term for setups that have more than one informed minority. Serial Killers and other one-person groups do not count; the term is specific to scum groups of multiple players.
Multiball setups introduce the necessity for the scum to themselves scum-hunt for opposing factions, which can make it easier for them to appear town, but can also make them appear suspicious if a late-game votecount analysis points to them only catching scum of a single faction. Then can also of course kill each other, which tends to help town and is often used for balance.
Scumgroups in a multiball game don't necessarily have to be the same size; groups with fewer members tend to be balanced with more power.Too lazy to be scum.-
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I'm not scumreading people for saying there are 2 maf teams I just assumed it was a confirmation from so many people saying it which would include towns and scum so it was a pointless clue but was a confirmation of 2 scum parties for me being an ignorant on this type of set up. I said it in your game I'm not good with set up speculation and role use so I went safe and if there is a chance a role like that could happen then I believe it if it was out of the rules or somewhere a clause that said it couldn't happen then I wouldn't believe simple cuz I'm simple like that.
VOTE: Alisa
My strongest scum read the best lynch I can think of because I saw people react on the wagon forming. I counted roughly 5 people hard scumreading her 2 who had her as town then scum then again town stance. and a couple others can't remember or wasn't in the game actively. Don't take my word on this but I was sure fro9 had her as scum and mby even voted her but when the wagon grew he derailed to focus on yoshi and then on his last list he wasn't even on his scum suspects that's why I paired them together on a recent post. (Again take this with a heavy grain of salt because I can't remember properly and I'm tired so I can't bother to check right now but will do tomorrow)Too lazy to be scum.-
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haven't said why. not even once. Or did I miss it?In post 3389, Alisae wrote:
I SR himIn post 3358, Fro99er wrote:I can't read kuror either. Anyone have any thoughts there?Too lazy to be scum.-
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I did put my effort showing why I consider you scum posted my reason and analyzed how your wagon quickly derailed for some stupid reason quite fast. I did saw your post but it is stupid to think I have to "make you look scummier" it is not my job to make you look worse it is my job to point out to others why I scumread you, not forge things or misrep you to look worse. It is also stupid to 1v1 you. I engaged enough to be as sure as I can that you are scum and there is no gain for me to tunnel you harder or keep hitting a wall when others don't want to go for you. I will continue to push for your lynch as much as I can but that's all I can do while I'm sure you got partners so a wagon growing on me is way easier but like I am sure you are scum I'm using the time instead of tunneling getting other reads and looking for connections.In post 3397, Alisae wrote:
I believe I have, but I can say why I do again.In post 3393, kuror0 wrote:
haven't said why. not even once. Or did I miss it?In post 3389, Alisae wrote:
I SR himIn post 3358, Fro99er wrote:I can't read kuror either. Anyone have any thoughts there?
I mostly SR you because I don't feel as if you're putting all of your effort into pushing me.
Like I think your SR on me is fabricated.
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On a side note I think going for a jaack lynch is stupid it would give too lil info compared to other slots. I personally don't have a serious jaack read but I'm sure most players shouold have stronger scumreads on more active players, as someone pointed out going for lurkers on D1 is bad, someone said we are quite ahead for D1 but we don't have any flip yet so imo it is better to have flips that can reveal more info on a large amount of players and not just a lurky slot.
@Fro9 why do you ask so many people how they read me? I'm the only slot you have a hard time reading? If not what makes me special, you sort of scum read me but not sure so want help to get the reasons? or am I a full null for you and want to get an idea to sort me? or what's happening?Too lazy to be scum.-
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If you didn't ask to forge or misrep why use "make me look scummier"? I did point out what I found scummy on your slot and even you said you used it to throw the attention to yoshi (which means you did feel the pressure), so why you weren't convinced I put effort if you just redirected my effort to other slot so easily, just one word and a couple of people instantly moved there from you.In post 3404, Alisae wrote:But a 1v1 is fun ;~;
I wasn't asking you to misrep me or forge me. Hell that makes you look worse if you do decide to do that. What do you think Frogger has been doing? He's been trying to convince people to hop on wagons this whole time on people he wants lynched. I don't see that coming from you.
And who said the gain was for you? By tunneling me and attempting to make me look worse, you're convincing the town that I am scum. Are you not?
I tunnel but on my own way. I keep pushing for my read and try to follow it as much as I can but it is dumb if I just ignore everything else, it is not like you are the only scum alive at this point to zero on you, just not my style of game.Too lazy to be scum.-
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@Alisae I already said it. I had enough interaction to be as sure as I can get that you are scum and you were just deflecting so I couldn't get any more answers which I also did said openly. The thing is I know I'm not good convincing other players to follow my reads I just can't provoke the right emotion to make them sheep me(either it is my english, the way I word things, the way I compose what I write, you name it multiple flaws there) so I'm ok with just leaving those things out and at some point someone will remember and tie the dots and the lynch happens. Doesn't matter if I'm dead or alive as long as I managed to get those things out it will be on the other towns mind and at some point they will realize if my read was right and I'm ok with that. Also about that quote you posted, at that point all the focus had moved from you which means at that point you had feel my pressure(or spotlight like you called it) so it makes no sense that you now say I wasn't making an effort (you and others have noticed it) so it is a contradiction.
@Fro9 About clumsy and Yoshi votes. On clumsy I already explained it was a bit to make things move and a bit more to spark discussion. I had clumsy on a scum lean but not strong enough to be sold on his lynch but I was sure my vote wasn't that close to hammer to result in a quicklynch, also my vote wasn't explained at all after my catch up so I was expecting people to jump off that wagon as it was the perfect time after my vote if he was scum with someone soft bussing him. About yoshi my read on him was not that clear. I got frustrated after my initial trade with him because I felt he was just looking for reasons to scum read me, so I started ignoring him (and he didn't post much after that if I remember correctly) my read on him is a very weak scumlean but I'm kind of fed up with this day and no flips to re asses the reads and he wasn't on the list of players I would be against a lynch today so I gave up on the alisae lynch for today. Now that he is off it is my time to repeat hey let's lynch alisae. Walls with love from me. I have a hard time reading so many lil posts with no content so we must all be equally unhappy.Too lazy to be scum.-
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How so? (tbh I don't even know the exact meaning of the word but I think I got an idea) Could be a nice time to sort you cuz I don't have you anywhere at this point.In post 3433, drealmerz7 wrote:kuror, you're starting to flail a littleToo lazy to be scum.-
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Just saying all this things still hold true about alisae.In post 2387, kuror0 wrote:
Sadly I mentioned you but on the surface. The fact still holds 1250 posts later. You look participative and ask a lot of questions but they aim at nothing all, they are all dead ends or pointless. It is just to make you look like helping when you don't. Your constant sheeping attitude, the amount of shitposting that swamp the thread. The gracious attitude towards those that had been leading the wagons to get on their good side.In post 1024, kuror0 wrote:ok finished catching up and got some thoughts.
Then add me to that list cause I think along the same lines toward gerry. The player attitude is not my cup of tea but w/e we are all different and that's ok what I SR most is that he has been only taunting everyone who SRs him and nothing else. I see no single effort to discern if the slot is town or scum it is like if you SR gerry he will instantly SR back.In post 963, Pine wrote: Could it possibly be so easy as Mick/Manuel/Ram?
Transcend's posts, at least most of them look really town if not for the voice on my head that screams this is not the town transcend I've seen play he would be firmly a town read.
Alisae did ask a lot of questions but I think they were all leading nowhere so it just appears as being participative and helpful while providing nothing and I'm wary of this cause I've seen a couple of scums trying to pull that.
Pep and Ram I feel the potential of a SvT but not sure which is which. I'm not even sure if it is SvT or just 2 towns tunneling each other or what so yeah... null till I see other interactions.
Those are my most prominent reads still not so sure about all the rest but just felt like letting you guys know.
P-edit: holy crap I was up to date with post 981 so this post ignores everything that came after that.
Those are the things at the top of my mind. out for lunch.
Now I'm off to sleep so leave anything you want from me around and I will address it tomorrow.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Yes. I do. Already said why. I'm as close as sure that he is scum. In the middle of all the shit post we can get a great idea of interactions because he has sheeped almost every wagon available yet his attitude was slightly different on some. The disbanding on his wagon is also telling etc. It is the flip of the possible ones that would lay most info imo.In post 3569, Transcend wrote:You know what, screw it I'll just analyze this entire 36th vote count. My input is in turquoise.
In post 3556, inspectorscout wrote:Alisae -[1] kuror0I don't inherently disagree with this vote, but does kuror0 think that Alisae of all people is the best lynch in the game?
@Pine Which was the last post you read and why transcend is still your strongest townread?Too lazy to be scum.-
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Ok I'm just catching up and I'm at page 152. But this. You said you didn't scumread me you had me as full null and wanted to take hints to make an idea. now suddenly you put me on the same list with 3 of your scum reads?? Suddenly you made your mind and SR me or what's with the leap on the read?In post 3785, Fro99er wrote:
Pine, Pep, kuror/cabd would be my choices.In post 3782, gerryoat wrote:shooting in 3 is still better.
who are good vig shots we can all agree on
imba terribad excuse.
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On a side note this proves the mod wants to get to be the 1st place in longest 1st day on mafia.
I plead the fifth!Last edited by inspectorscout on Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.Too lazy to be scum.-
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So you did move me from full null to slightly scum as I'm in the bottom half of the player list and along drealmz and cabd which you have spoken suspicions. So what made you SR me and who said it? or you got there on your own?In post 3881, Fro99er wrote:
Gee, let's see why.In post 3879, kuror0 wrote:
Ok I'm just catching up and I'm at page 152. But this. You said you didn't scumread me you had me as full null and wanted to take hints to make an idea. now suddenly you put me on the same list with 3 of your scum reads?? Suddenly you made your mind and SR me or what's with the leap on the read?In post 3785, Fro99er wrote:
Pine, Pep, kuror/cabd would be my choices.In post 3782, gerryoat wrote:shooting in 3 is still better.
who are good vig shots we can all agree on
imba terribad excuse.
continuing my catch up
My strongest scum reads are Pine, Yoshi, Jaack, and Pep. Three of them are eliminated from the shoot conversation. So I have to pick two more. You, cabd, dreal are next in line in my scum reads.Too lazy to be scum.-
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so according to your words you can't sort me properly at this point, so the best you decide to do is lynch? I totally called for a terribad reason.
You choose me over other impossible to read targets with 0 arguments. Which lead me to believe like my paranoia indicated early when you asked a lot of people how they were reading me, that you just wanted to get a reason to scumread and push for me. Noted.
I can now get on fro9 wagon. I was hesitant because my only link to him as scum was alisae connection and would be too dumb to go for him before her flip, but with his reaction to pressure and this read "develop" I now got enough reason to scumread him by himself.Too lazy to be scum.-
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that you should have enough things to read me either leaning scum or leaning town at least yet I'm still null. But miraculously other read of yours are way more developed with little to no content, that's my real issue.
I could understand someone scumreading me or soft town reading me but other reads of yours are with no input from them which is what made me doubt about your progression and the convenience on certain reads.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Ok weekend starts for me so I don't know if I will be around a lot or not at all, but I want to make my last effort to get a scum read.
VOTE: fro9
I think pep may flip scum (his play has been bad and scummy and stubborn but that also makes me doubt a scum would play this carelessly) but at the end not as sure compared to ali or fro. I will try to be around and would like to end the day soon but after the weekend to be able to asses everything and say some words before night.
@fro9 If you are careless I'm not going to tell you how to play scum, I catched some holes and I'm not revealing them until either you flip and confirm my suspicions or I feel I'm about to die so I let my thoughts out.
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ok 3 kills. which one was the vig shot? probably Pine?
p-edit: nvm
Pine was shot by jaack I guess white scumteam killed cloud which leads me to believe one of the people cloud was pushing IS white scum which leads me to fro9 being a strong scum suspect for today.
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Agree with this but I have suspected him before this night so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 4251, Transcend wrote:Not bad in a scummy way, just bad in a bad way.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Is this a scumslip? Why listed only black maf? You know who are the white maf then?In post 4260, Transcend wrote:
I don't really want to lynch you or PV today, but i haven't poe'd you two from being a black maf.In post 4258, drealmerz7 wrote:can you be a little more obvious with you "this is the group of people I want to lynch today" list? it's not obvious enough for the crowd around here and I don't want to go through the effort of pushing anyone today eitherToo lazy to be scum.-
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obviously I don't. What are your reads so far drealmz?In post 4274, drealmerz7 wrote:YAY KUROR KNOWS HOW TO PLAY MAFIAToo lazy to be scum.-
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yeah ok but at this point wanting flips to hunt only for 1 team is kind of lame look at the big picture and tell me who are your main suspects at this point.In post 4275, Transcend wrote:Because I've been framed by it and I've used it before and i was dead wrong. Sometimes, it's accurate. Sometimes it's not. Using it to base your reads is not an accurate technique imo. Pure scumhunting is significantly better.
Pedit: yeah totes a scum slip
That whole analysis was analyzing the black team.
There's no absolute way i can analyze the white team except via NKA which i just got done explaining isn't reliable. I need flips.Too lazy to be scum.-
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clumsy is confirmed.
Jaack is confirmed because he probably won't get past N3 and if 3 players die on that night I would hard suspect him. (SK HAS to kill every night right?)
yoshi is pretty much conf town for me with the knowledge I have so far.
transcend has phases some good some bad can't really make my mind on him.
you seem specially inactive for the first part but as stubborn as always pretty much on the same undefined zone as transc.
alisae is scum.
fro9 is scum. If alisae filpped scum first then fro9 is definetely scum.
PV getting so many strong town reads on that slot with about 15 semi content posts on the start of D1 and nothing else strikes me as weird af.
those are the ones on the top of my head right now.Too lazy to be scum.