Mafia 94: Sickening Pimplicity (GAME OVER)

[inHimshallibe]

That Emp pressure was on Day 2, not Day 4. God, again with the brain.

Now, for the Emp side of Tajo-Emp:

Emp Alt Iso 10-11
Asks Pop why Elvis couldn’t be SK. Explains he was looking for reactions from Elvis when tajo responds.

Emp Alt Iso 14 & 16
“What Pop said has many possible interpretations.”

Emp Alt Iso 23
Piggybacks tajo to vote for Adel

Emp Alt Iso 31
Gut town read on tajo

Emp Iso 0 &2
Out of context, these are the most bizarre posts I’ve re-read this game. Emp is using something tajo said to say that Elvis was lying.
^^ This came in the middle with his scuffle with Elvis, after which tajo defended him and takes this heavily into account for his town read on Emp

Emp Iso 5
States Elvis’ “lies” don’t have anything to do with tajo.

Emp Iso 8-9
Telling muzzz he doesn’t understand why muzzz would say that Emp should vote for Tajo instead of Elvis based upon Emp’s interactions with the two.
^^ Hell, this might turn out to be important. Reading Emp Iso makes my head spin.

Emp Iso 23
Asks mod who tajo is voting. Why, I have no clue. Asks tajo who his suspects are.

Emp Iso 24
Then I don’t know what the hell happened here.

Emp Iso 35-36
Defending EB against tajo’s push

Emp Iso 40
Would be “surprised” if two of tajo, Harum, and NAW “and the other one group” were not scum
^^ Whatever.

Emp, how has this read evolved to the point where you are now?

Emp Iso 43
Votes tajo, states he wants a lynch

Emp Iso 45
Tajo isn’t the scummiest of four players, but is still scummy nonetheless
^^ Is this bad distancing? I’m about to give up.

Emp Iso 47
Barters for tajo’s life and votes Harum
^^ Convenient place to unvote tajo.

Emp Iso 51-52
Was this ever resolved?
^^ Weird if not.

Emp Iso 55
Pushing hard to just get a lynch, wants tajo to vote Harum. Says he could look at an EB lynch later.

Emp Iso 57
Now tajo is back to being town, in a town v. town battle with EB
^^ Ye gods.

Emp Iso 58
Asks EB who tajo would kill that Night.
^^ I can’t get for sure Emp’s read on tajo. This is at least somewhat more of a breakthrough than tajo’s ton o’ text.

Emp Iso 59
Talks of a tajo lynch the next Day

Emp Iso 66-70
Talking with tajo about IH and Bond being the scum.

Emp Iso 78
Calls on tajo and I to vote
^^ a noble charge, indeed

Emp Iso 80
One of JB and tajo is prob scum
^^ Now, I’m very willing to let people change opinions, but there comes a point when these changes make a player’s character unreliable, and needless to say scummy. This waffling… I have yet to decide if Empscum implies tajoscum. Still more reading to be done.

Emp Iso 84-85
Now tajo would have pulled the wool over Emp’s eyes if tajo is indeed scum
^^ This is like watching Far East Table Tennis.

Emp Iso 92
I think he is ordering scum here. Tajo comes first, then me, then oldguy

Emp Iso 94
Wants a lynch of PZ or tajo. Is voting PZ at this juncture.

[WarWound]

I didnt evan mean to kill zito dammit

[Empking]

inHim, people change reads especially when that player is posting like Pop did. All you have is me slightly changing my rewad on Pop every eight or so posts by me.

My reads have changed because if Tajo is scum in this game he's not as close to scum as I'd expect.

[WarWound]

zito wanted semi old guy dead, is there some truth to that?

[populartajo]

Zito

This game. Why.

(4) Papa Zito (Empking's Alt, Amished, semioldguy, WarWound)

Pretty clear this wagon became viable with at least one scum in the list, even after how I fought against it. Amished is now dead so that leaves Emp, War and surprise, semioldguy.

I would have really SOG to answer my questions before the lynch. Im pretty sure I would have caught him there, so Warwound, you really need to pay more attention before doing anything in the game. I say this to you because even of how bad your play has been in the game, I still think you are town.

Emp has been a hard read after all the incident with Elvis early in the game that made me think he was prob town. I really need a reread to decide between inhim and him. Going back and forth with these guys since both have points that make me think they are both town.

That means, Im willing to vote semioldguy, the same player that attacked Zito and me without having read all the game (motivated by now confirmed town Amished) and the same player that kept attacking Zito even though I had lots of probabilities of being scum from his own point of view. Just waiting for inhim to finish his analysis and others to share his top suspect. Let's just end this torment.

For the record, sog posted in his game he is modding about four hours ago.

[populartajo]

*two hours, sorry.

[WarWound]

im rly sorry :/

[inHimshallibe]

Going to the Vandy-UK game today, will be back tomorrow night for Round 2 (hopefully with enough time to finish both remaining pairs).

[populartajo]

im rly sorry :/

Who do you think is scum?

[populartajo]

Going to the Vandy-UK game today, will be back tomorrow night for Round 2 (hopefully with enough time to finish both remaining pairs).

Gogogo, inhim.

[Empking]

My two top suspects are Pop and Inhim in case anyone was wondering.

[populartajo]

Why me, why inhim?

Im wondering what is your opinion of sog.

Also do you really think there was no scum in the zito wagon?

[Empking]

It seems possible.

WW is obv-town and SOG has been playing in a more pro-town manner. SOG could be scum but at the moment I doubt that.

[populartajo]

Define protown play manner.

From my own point of view, there has to be one scum in the wagon. Even though I fought hard against the wagon, the lynch succeeded. Do you really think a wagon on day 8 with 7 players could succeed with no scum support?

Also do you really think scum would not support the case that Amishedtown brought against Zito?

Work with me, Emp. Who is the scum in the Zito wagon?

Also, why do you think WW is obvtown?

[inHimshallibe]

Back to crunching.

Next up is tajo-oldguy.

[inHimshallibe]

Tajo referencing Simenon

Tajo Iso 6
Simenon listed as neutral slightly scummy

Tajo Iso 9
Asking Simenon his stance on Achilles

Tajo Iso 19
Mentions Pyro’s reasoning on Simenon and Adel
^^ Possible linkage of Pyro with Simenon

Tajo Iso 20
Comments on Simenon and the Pyro Wagon
^^ “Not liking Simenon here” – well, tajo is not liking oldguy too much now, either. A point against these two as a pairing for tajo’s consistency.

Tajo Iso 27
Pushing his dislike of Simenon further re: the Pyro wagon

Tajo Iso 28
TL;DR, lists Simenon as Neutral

Tajo Iso 30
Simenon:
1. has some townie valid points. has some points that arent that clear to me. Neutral.
2. bleh, i cant find any. me thinks that sim has doing a good job not tying to anyone.
3. seems experienced and concise.
4. invested.

Tajo Iso 31
Defending Simenon against a vote as a result of Simenon v. Adel and Adel’s traps

Tajo Iso 49
Simenon listed again as Neutral
^^ He mentioned some of his neutrals may move around after a reread, but there wasn’t a full list updated after this one for a while.

Tajo Iso 65
Tajo is answering to an attack that Simenon has launched against him.
^^ At least from tajo, my gut is telling me this isn’t a scumpair anymore. Still more work to do.

Tajo Iso 71
Pushing Simenon for more reasoning.

Tajo Iso 74-75
Answering more from Simenon.
^^ Solid town-like defense here, imo.

Tajo Iso 78
Lists Simenon as Neutral

Tajo Iso 87
More pressure on Simenon

Tajo Iso 90
Simenon as Neutral

Tajo Iso 110
Asking mod to replace Simenon

Tajo Iso 188
Goes back to Day 1, reasoning out Sim’s behavior between Achilles and Pyro
^^ By this point, I’m thinking tajo town, Simenon/Bond/oldguy scum, but there’s still a lot left for me to do.

Tajo Iso 222
Vote analysis. The SBO player slot could be scum. Bond was “disinterested”

Tajo Iso 223
Scumpair of Badger-Bond possible

Tajo Iso 241
Bond is the prob lurker that is teamed with active scum.

Tajo Iso 250
SBO neutral read, prob scum with Cephrir vote count

I’ll get to oldguy later. Sorry about last night, MNF put me to sleep.

[WarWound]

in him how long does it take to do this

[semioldguy]

Apologies for my inactivity the past few days. Will be catching back up and posting tonight when I get home.

[semioldguy]

...and the same player that kept attacking Zito even though I had lots of probabilities of being scum from his own point of view. Just waiting for inhim to finish his analysis and others to share his top suspect. Let's just end this torment.

For the record, sog posted in his game he is modding about four hours ago.

So are you saying that it is scummy of me not to vote for the player who is only my second top suspect of being scum while I am voting for the player I find most likely to be scum? Is it scummy to have more than one suspect when it is known that two scum are left in the game? Yes, tajo, you have many probabilities of being scum from my point of view. Papa Zito did as well.

You claims at me about my inactivity are horrible at best and scummy at worst. You previously claim my inactivity here was indicative of me being scum. At that time I wasn't posting in any of my games, so I don;t know what makes it a tell for this game specifically.

Making a case that I am inactive and using the game I am modding as your point of reference to my lurking is also bad. It shouldn't have to be explained why moderating duties come before that of a player. The post you refer to in the quote above was the only thing I had time to post all day. Using that as a point in a case is low and appears as if you are grasping for a case on me.

I don't think it is a forgone conclusion that there had to be scum on the Zito wagon.Your questions to Emp on that matter are a lot of wifom and speculation.

Vote: Populartajo

@Everyone
I don't think it wise to completely discount WarWound. His play style makes it incredibly easy to hide behind. I have a gut town read on him myself, but am surprised at the easiness with which everyone seems to regard him as obv-town.

[populartajo]

First of all

Vote: semioldguy

. I seriously doubt that after this attack he has any probs of being town. Seems he didn't learn anything from the Zito lynch.

So are you saying that it is scummy of me not to vote for the player who is only my second top suspect of being scum while I am voting for the player I find most likely to be scum?

Err... no. This is what you said about us:

I think equally that Papa Zito is scum (if not more), but with less consequences to the town in the event he were to flip town.

So in your mind, we were equally scummy. You didn't have any argument to prove why Zito was more scummy than me (if you can provide one then go for it but I doubt you are going to find it). I tried to prove to you that from your own pov, I was the one that should be the scummiest and I was the one you should be voting for. In a Zito town or in a Zito scum scenario, you would still have thought I was scum and we would have been in the same scenario we are today. But you didn't listen because:

a) there was a juicy wagon pushed on Zito by Amishedtunnelvision town and

b) because my flip could have incriminated you.

Its funny because obviously you are not worried about voting me now since my lynch gives you the victory. Oh, but yesterday you so had to fake that you were so worried about me being town so you could still be voting Zito, right? Seriously, did you see you yesterday voting today for other player than me?

Sog, I ask this question to you. Who is my scumpartner in this scenario? Have you at least thought about this? I sincerely doubt it. Have you even analysed the probabilities of me being a townie before voting me?

You claims at me about my inactivity are horrible at best and scummy at worst. You previously claim my inactivity here was indicative of me being scum. At that time I wasn't posting in any of my games, so I don;t know what makes it a tell for this game specifically.

Dude, you were posting in your other games the first time I called on your lurking. Stop lying.

Making a case that I am inactive and using the game I am modding as your point of reference to my lurking is also bad. It shouldn't have to be explained why moderating duties come before that of a player. The post you refer to in the quote above was the only thing I had time to post all day. Using that as a point in a case is low and appears as if you are grasping for a case on me.

Were you on the site? Yes. Did you post in the game you are modding? Yes. Did you have time for make a flavorful scene and look for replacements? Yes. Did you post here or did you even post when were you going to post here as you usually do? No. That's a case for me.

I don't think it is a forgone conclusion that there had to be scum on the Zito wagon.Your questions to Emp on that matter are a lot of wifom and speculation.

So the scum are inhim and me? Cuz we are the ones that weren't in the Zito wagon. You really haven't analysed the results of the lynch before voting me, right?

I don't think it wise to completely discount WarWound. His play style makes it incredibly easy to hide behind.

What is the point of this post? You just said you had a a gut town read on him...?

[semioldguy]

So are you saying that it is scummy of me not to vote for the player who is only my second top suspect of being scum while I am voting for the player I find most likely to be scum?

Err... no. This is what you said about us:

I think equally that Papa Zito is scum (if not more), but with less consequences to the town in the event he were to flip town.

So in your mind, we were equally scummy. You didn't have any argument to prove why Zito was more scummy than me (if you can provide one then go for it but I doubt you are going to find it).

In the quote of me you provided here it explicitly states that I do not thik you could be more scummy than Zito. Don't misrepresent.

I tried to prove to you that from your own pov, I was the one that should be the scummiest and I was the one you should be voting for.

This is a dumb statement. In what way does this make your case against me valid and how did you actually try to give yourself away as the one I shold vote for?

In a Zito town or in a Zito scum scenario, you would still have thought I was scum and we would have been in the same scenario we are today. But you didn't listen because:

a) there was a juicy wagon pushed on Zito by Amishedtunnelvision town and

b) because my flip could have incriminated you.

I can't blame Amished because I also got a scummy read on Papa Zito. It had no bearing upon the weight at which was on him, my read/conclusion about Zito was reached independently of from others.

Its funny because obviously you are not worried about voting me now since my lynch gives you the victory.

It won't give the victory, and though I am less worried about lynching you today for your case against me that further continuing to be a load of crap in regards to the points you bring up against me, many of which are either not true or are greatly stretching.

Oh, but yesterday you so had to fake that you were so worried about me being town so you could still be voting Zito, right?

I didn't fake anything. Zito was my top suspect yesterday and I still stand by that he was the scummiest player and the best vote for town.

Seriously, did you see you yesterday voting today for other player than me?

It was not a conclusion that I would vote for you today. I could have seen me voting someone else though it was not extremely likely. Your play today further suggests to me that you are scum.

Sog, I ask this question to you. Who is my scumpartner in this scenario? Have you at least thought about this? I sincerely doubt it. Have you even analysed the probabilities of me being a townie before voting me?

Yes, I have thought about this. Inhim and Empking make little sense as partners together, so I highly doubt that would be a scum pairing. My gut town read of WarWound has me not considering him strongly as in a pair with anyone. I can see reasons for you to be scum with either Empking or Inhim at this point.

(also, from Inhim's perspective, he doesn't think you and I are likely scum partners, which he is right because I am not scum. For him, Empking would then have to be scum if he is discounting WarWound. Unless of course Inhim himself is scum which is not something I have disregarded at this point.)

You claims at me about my inactivity are horrible at best and scummy at worst. You previously claim my inactivity here was indicative of me being scum. At that time I wasn't posting in any of my games, so I don't know what makes it a tell for this game specifically.

Dude, you were posting in your other games the first time I called on your lurking. Stop lying.

An explanation for this was already given in the thread. And no I am not lying, you have also claimed me as lurking here when I wasn't posting at all anywhere on the site.

Making a case that I am inactive and using the game I am modding as your point of reference to my lurking is also bad. It shouldn't have to be explained why moderating duties come before that of a player. The post you refer to in the quote above was the only thing I had time to post all day. Using that as a point in a case is low and appears as if you are grasping for a case on me.

Were you on the site? Yes. Did you post in the game you are modding? Yes. Did you have time for make a flavorful scene and look for replacements? Yes. Did you post here or did you even post when were you going to post here as you usually do? No. That's a case for me.

No, I didn't have time to look for replacements at that time. I had time to post a lynch vote/scene (most of which are pre-written). Also I don't usually post in my games saying when I will post next unless I get prodded and to avoid my replacement. I actually dislike when a player come into a game and say they are going to make a post at ___ time. To say that I normally do this is a load of crap. I wasn't expecting not to have access over the weekend so I also would not have posted that I expected to be V/LA.

I don't think it is a forgone conclusion that there had to be scum on the Zito wagon.Your questions to Emp on that matter are a lot of wifom and speculation.

So the scum are inhim and me? Cuz we are the ones that weren't in the Zito wagon. You really haven't analysed the results of the lynch before voting me, right?

I could see a scum pairing between you and Inhim. I don't think there had to be a scum on yesterday's lynch. With Amished's flip I'm nearly positive there weren't two.

I don't think it wise to completely discount WarWound. His play style makes it incredibly easy to hide behind.

What is the point of this post? You just said you had a a gut town read on him...?

Because I don't think he should be discounted. That is the point of this post. It's right there in the first line. Gut reads can be wrong, and discounting someone completely is a way town has lost games I've been in because that player they were discounting as obv-town was in fact scum. Because of this I don't like to consider players as obv-town in endgame and don't think it wise for others to do so as well.

[inHimshallibe]

Not sure a scumpair would vote each other in this situation. Given my previous analysis, I'm heavily leaning that the tajo-SBO pair is thrown out for me. That leaves:

tajo-Emp
Emp-oldguy
tajo-WW
Emp-WW
oldguy-WW

I'm not discounting WarWound on an obvtown gut read - go back and read stuff with Pyro and Erik and tell me you really think WW is scum. To me, that leaves, again:

tajo-Emp
Emp-oldguy

I don't have much time atm, got to be back at work in about ten minutes.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: populartajo

I think this is the right move.

[Empking]

Vote: Populartajo

He's the scummiest player and he's almost certainly scum.

[semioldguy]

Was I wrong or do we have another day?