Gay Dance! [Donezo]

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ok thank u for ur input

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GiF is right you couldn't have saved croag

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I don't really agree with the read but that point at least is valid

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chennis has bitmap spewed town yet

Idk

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Because Ankamius increases the win rate by a lot

Why? Like anyone willing to sacrifice Vecna to kill me, should also be willing to sacrifice Ank to kill GRob.

Pedit: Bingle and Shiro also hadn't done anything?

Your own posts make it hard to save Croag

Granted I don't think you'd bus Croag but

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We have 16 and we do intermission at 12

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Which is what I didn't read

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I feel like scum has basically already lost and is pushing their only win vector - getting me mislynched

Scum has to look good, and is probably in the decent pairings.

The key to win this setup is by looking good, bussing, and not even trying to save your teammates so you can win in an endgame situation. Youre never going to win this with 3 scum alive unless you have a sick random.

I actually think theres a very good chance the remaining two scum are in the gays.

I can agree with the last bit

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Vecna I feel your pain of waking up to 40 pages

Imagine waking up to 40 pages and going from widely townread to L2 overnight

You were not widely townread

And you're going for shit that makes little sense

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Vecna if you want people to stop voting you you should stop trying to push yourself as an endgame pair

You're not

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I don't even think your pair is really scum/scum and I think the Ausuka case is a load of shit

But that doesn't make you endgame worthy

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I thought your entrance to the game wasn't town, but I knew you were sick so I overlooked it and waited

I thought your sorting looked town enough, so I put you in the "look at later" list and let you do your own thing

but now you're back to posting things that aren't town

What have I posted in your opinion that isn’t town? I don’t understand your thinking here at all. I think my posting here has been pretty obviously town but I’ve given up in trying to get you to read me accurately.

1. you didn't confront me about my incorrect read on kirari
2. you didn't confront me... at all, really
3. your reads are all easy
4. you have no scumreads
5. you have enough awareness of what's going on in the game to have an opinion on what's going on, but your reads didn't get shaped by it at all

4. is slightly wrong

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I feel like scum has basically already lost and is pushing their only win vector - getting me mislynched

Scum has to look good, and is probably in the decent pairings.

The key to win this setup is by looking good, bussing, and not even trying to save your teammates so you can win in an endgame situation. Youre never going to win this with 3 scum alive unless you have a sick random.

I actually think theres a very good chance the remaining two scum are in the gays.

Scum doesn't look good enough to endgame against my pair. Irregardless of who they are.

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They can't endgame without shading me in some way.

Their job is to get the right chain of mislynches to put my head on the chopping block. But they can't.

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Btw Pie/Ank you two have to chill

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This town tunneling town shit is driving me nuts

Ank/Rob dies eventually

Pie literally never endgames

Can you two like step it back

Even without these terms you guys are still tunneling because you want to be right

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By "chill" I mean realize this is an unproductive conflict

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What more what more

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The TRs on Nim/Gamma turned around as quick as the TRs on Bitmap/GiF

Idk what to make of it

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Idk vecna has this "we need to lynch ANYONE BUT ME" vibe

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I guess it's more because Ausuka is like "fuck it I can't fight it"

And Vecna's like "we HAVE TO FIGHT IT we are endgame worthy"

I don't

particularly

think Vecna's scum I mean there's absolutely worse in terms of slots that have gotten away with bullshit

But yeah if we're gonna lynch Vecsuka we're not doing it to lynch Ausuka

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chenn you have that vibe going on 247

idk

you don't get to not towntell and then come in and say "we're endgame material."

if I did what vecna's doing I'd be dead rn.

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chenn I'm more worried that people are going to buy into Vecna's bullshit that his pairing is endgame worthy when half the game is endgame worthy over them

yeah that's a vat of dogshit

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I started feeling terrible about the lynch and told Bingle in PT

But this? Idk

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EVEN IF THE PAIRING IS T/T,

designating it to endgame is significantly minus equity for town.

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I think rn scum would try to force the wagon through actually

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Idgi

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Btw wrt "this isn't a good flip"

Eh there are no really good lynchpairs because nothing actually even looks S/S

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you say this like it's not easily fakeable, Nim

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idk I think Nim being scum is kinda contingent on vecsuka having a scum

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Nim can push and say some dumb shit as town though

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No offense Nim but like

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idk I think Nim being scum is kinda contingent on vecsuka having a scum

Do you disagree with what I wrote in 2790/2814?

P-edit: can you agree to this?

Ank if you like I can compromise on Nimu, with the addendum if she's town the next lynch can't just be a repeat of this one, you actually have to keep stepping back with Vecna/Ausuka till we figure them out.

I don't get why flipping Vecsuka sooner than later is bad

I also think it's a ripe place to look for associatives

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Uh lemme think.

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Yeah I get what you mean Pie

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Idk I think we should do Vecsuka/Nimerald

Idc what order and flips

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Have anyone other than vecna/ausuka considered vecsuka pair as endgame pair?

no

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it's really why the slot still pings me.

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do you know what the point of endgame pairs are, grob

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idk I think Nim being scum is kinda contingent on vecsuka having a scum

Why would you think there’s any connection? In case you noticed, his vote is on me.

see, this is the kind of shallow reasoning that makes sense for you to say as scum.

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i don't think Nim is capable of faking recognizing associative tells in particular as scum, and she hasn't said one thing about associatives that make me happy.

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yeah i agree with what chenn said

lynching any variation of vecsuka/nimerald and go from there in sorting out endgame pairs

@chenn ofc i know what the point of endgame pairs are but its easier to sort out whose reliably town when you have associations; idk why ur so adamant on doing it now

(1) we've already done it /shrug
(2) reads can change - there's no need to remind people on that

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I don't even think your pair is really scum/scum and I think the Ausuka case is a load of shit

But that doesn't make you endgame worthy

We'll see. I have a tendency to grow on people. All im saying is, dont eliminate the possibility, be open to it if the performance is there.

Who knows, maybe it wont even be needed, but I think were bound for a few mislynches in this game.

Yeah we are

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Btw this new wagon is nice Vecna

What are your thoughts on it

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i don't think Nim is capable of faking recognizing associative tells in particular as scum, and she hasn't said one thing about associatives that make me happy.

@grob

this will answer half of your questions at least.

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Idk I think we should do Vecsuka/Nimerald

Idc what order and flips

Is anyone even listening to me? Why does scum!Vecna ask for help in sorting me if he’s scum? Instead of stupid/sketch votes on me, it would be really nice to get an answer to that question.

associative tells can be faked

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i think nim is the type of person to defend her partners btw

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idc what order you do the wagons in; there's probably at least one scum in it

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then it's gg EZ clap

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Nim are you voting

If so who

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Eh endgame pairs don't matter

Just don't touch the obvtown pairs and then we'll win eventually

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And like on the

contingency case

that Pie is scum, we win anyway

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Eh endgame pairs don't matter

Just don't touch the obvtown pairs and then we'll win eventually

endgame pairs are the obvtown pairs though so they do matter

i mean, considering that one of them probably flips scum

i don't really see why the endgame pairs should change.

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oh sorry this is meant for PT.

Can you send some spicy pix in the thead

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y

because u mad bro?

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if there's 0 scum in the rest of the playerlist im leaving

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See some of the stuff you're saying feels like how some of the slots treated me early game Nim

"lol"
"LOGIC"
"but you're still scum"

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You really don’t care which one of me or Gamma you lynch, do you?

ur literally a pair

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS TO THE RESCUE

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no u

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do i have to actually post

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order: i don't give a fuck

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is there a universe where:

nimueh/gamma
vecna/ausuka
anka/grob
fire/oka
pien/sakura

endgame?

Is that a lynch list or

that's a list of people who are not bingdis or gifmap so

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Why can't we just lynch everyone but chen/Bingle and Fire/Oka and then if the game's still going we figure out which of {bingle, fire} is scum?

Why can't we have piekura instead

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Of Firoka

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Btw this is the awkward question

When does Shiro die

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We need another good pair and Pie's our best bet imo

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Why can't we just lynch everyone but chen/Bingle and Fire/Oka and then if the game's still going we figure out which of {bingle, fire} is scum?

Why can't we have piekura instead

Because I can beat Bitmap up to shape by endgame so we don't suffer headache

Can you do it now

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Fire $10 if you don't random leave this game

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I don't trust you in endgame pie, sorry

This is dumb because there's literally no way scum-me survives endgame, Ank...

Exactly

So can we just have Bingdis Sakupie

The game ends 99% of the time

And if it doesn't due to scum Pie's evil masterminding then Sakura wins it for us anyway

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Also that I'm literally universally read town and bitmap-scum is much easier to deal with than, say, pie scum.

Are you going to auto leave in endgame or are you gonna be too gay with bitmap to do that

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Nim can push and say some dumb shit as town though

Maybe im just a sucker for a sappy playstyle, but this feels pretty towny to me - the way she is just jumping all over the place that is.

Nim?

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Because if it's Nim idk why you're still voting it

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Bingle is also powertowning

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I bet y'all are fucking jealous

Not really. I'm more worried about him than anything.

^ ^ ^

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pie has to mislynch a shit ton of people and convince sakura to (1) not be paranoid and (2) turn on obvtown at endgame.

even if that's her master plan it won't even win her the game.

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Sry but the paranoia is there GiF

If it makes you happy you can be the third to last pair

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I don't think we can discount either of you and the unique way that Sakura is approaching their slot means neither Sakura or Pie can win as scum, so.

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no I

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anyway

let's get to flipping some scum

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no u

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the last pair is chen/bingle

gg ez clap

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Can we go everyone but me/Sakura, GIF/.bmp, Oka/Fire and chen/Bingle and then just figure it out from there?

I think Bitmap is deepwolf.

My partner has some paranoia on Bitmap and Fire

So I'd prefer we go to endgame with the pair that mechanically wins the game as town

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Same GiF

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Whatever

Can people start leaving now or something

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- Bitmap scum but he says he always SRs bitmap
- Firebringer scum
- And some paranoia on Sakura's slot

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I guess if Sakura's scum she could theoretically break her promise at the end but I trust that Pie would take care of it in that scenario anyways.

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Actualyl why are we even arguing about this the game ends 99.999% of the time

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Sakura isn't getting to endgame either because if we get to MYLO and she doesn't kill me off that's a scum claim lol.

Let's say we flip a scum

Because we probably will

Then if we get to Chen/Bingle and Pie/Sakura (which lol the game is gonna end) and it SOMEHOW doesn't end then we still win

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Ok the plan is ready

Can we do it gamers

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. . . . .

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jfc ank

you were obvtown and your partner was stepping it up

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anka i swear to god why would u do that

LYNCH VEC/AUSUKA OR NIM/GAMMA IN ANY ORDER

IF NO SCUM ACTIVELY LOOK FOR DEEPWOLF

thank you captain obvious

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wow what the fuck

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GRob was goodposting duuuude

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jfc ank

you were obvtown and your partner was stepping it up

IT LITERALLY DOESN'T MATTER NOBODY WILL WANT US TO ENDGAME ANYWAYS

I HAVE TO DECIDE WHO TO LYNCH OUT OF THE TWO PAIRS WE'RE KILLING FIRST

INTERMISSION IS A JACKASS

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"I'M NOT LEAVING TILL VECNA DIES"

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okay.

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Quick strategy talk:

No one should leave the dance, we should essentially play this game like a standard game of mafia voting on people to lynch them. Also, no one should vote inside their pair until MYLO.

The reason is if you play this like how the previous dance games I've been in have gone and just have people leaving the dance to kill their partner you miss out on all the information you get from pushing lynches through like in a normal game like votes, reactions, who attacks who for what reasons and who defends who and etc. I'm gonna pull a quick anecdote: the last dance game I was in had me and Kagami, me in a T/T pair and him in a T/S pair, and we tried to play it that way trying to figure out autowin plans ruling people out based on associative tells. At the end of the day we had a correct autowin plan down but 1) no one else went along with it, and then 2) Kagami and I both got paranoid his and my partners were town and scum respectively, I wound up leaving and everything just got fucked.

Tl;dr leaving the dance is basically a giant trap and we shouldn't do it.

On a quick read of the thread I don't like OkaPoka.

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THE ONLY PAIRS THAT EVER MATTER ARE THE LAST 3

THE ORDERING OF THE OTHERS DOESN'T

it makes me feel better if we flip scum quick

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pie/sakura ez clap

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yeah it does matter if you leave

ur a strong asset to town and u paired up with me whose town

im gonna miss u cpt. obvious

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VOTE: vecna ausuka we lynch nim-gamma next then

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if there's no scum in those four then FUCK ME

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yeah it does matter if you leave

ur a strong asset to town and u paired up with me whose town

my reads are well known

chenn/bingle is tvt
gif/bitmap is tvt

chenn/bingle gets priority over gif/bitmap

every other pairing dies before them

sheep ank?

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Btw I think the VC resets.

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it only matters if the two pairings contain no scum.

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Got ya

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We have a shit ton

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Like 4 pages

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96 rn that's lit.

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A lot of it is me GiF

Do you expect me not to spam a PT

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We lynch vesuka then nimerald ez clap

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Nou Bitmap

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Why can't we just lynch everyone but chen/Bingle and Fire/Oka and then if the game's still going we figure out which of {bingle, fire} is scum?

So much trust in Bingle. Tell me where im wrong in the complaints I talked about that slot in my readslist earlier?

He's not doing shit this game. He always wants to get involved and be responsible for ALL THE BIG DECISIONS as town.

What gives? Why is he town?

I like this because I don't think Bingle has done anything to deserve end game.

Anyway this is only relevant if people who should flip scum don't so

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In that case idk

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hot take but GRob wasn't that scummy when he stopped posting dumb shit

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jeez.

[chennisden]

Quick strategy talk:

No one should leave the dance, we should essentially play this game like a standard game of mafia voting on people to lynch them. Also, no one should vote inside their pair until MYLO.

The reason is if you play this like how the previous dance games I've been in have gone and just have people leaving the dance to kill their partner you miss out on all the information you get from pushing lynches through like in a normal game like votes, reactions, who attacks who for what reasons and who defends who and etc. I'm gonna pull a quick anecdote: the last dance game I was in had me and Kagami, me in a T/T pair and him in a T/S pair, and we tried to play it that way trying to figure out autowin plans ruling people out based on associative tells. At the end of the day we had a correct autowin plan down but 1) no one else went along with it, and then 2) Kagami and I both got paranoid his and my partners were town and scum respectively, I wound up leaving and everything just got fucked.

Tl;dr leaving the dance is basically a giant trap and we shouldn't do it.

On a quick read of the thread I don't like OkaPoka.

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great

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The only way town loses this is people randomly leaving

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Cya later friendos

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We got one more pair before first dance ends btw.

No we dont

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Ank - "fuck you all"
Vecna - "fuck you all"

That's our two pairs folks

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whatever

this changes nothing

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Ank you shouldnt have left tbh You made me sad

same tbh

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the dangerous ones conveniently cannot win.

[chennisden]

the dangerous ones conveniently cannot win.

And thats where youre wrong, because theyre all being townread by their partners

they're either all PoE or sakura/pie, who can't win anyways.

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Shiro has replaced GRob as cpt obv

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Ank, I still don't understand why you left the dance...

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This town tunneling town shit is driving me nuts

Ank/Rob died

Pie literally never wins as scum

Can you two like step it back

This isn't a good use of our twilight time

V 2.0

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Ank left
Vecna left

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We're gonna lynch Nimerald tomorrow

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I get that you're mad Pie

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I'm also extremely tilted we couldn't lynch Nimerald today. But what's done is done. You guys probably share the same alignment so please try to win the game together??

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Btw do PTs stay open in intermission

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what if I told u all, that I think vecna still flips scum O_o

Vecna left.

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what if I told u all, that I think vecna still flips scum O_o

Vecna left.

I left a dance too as scum.

God, Firebringer, god...

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I'm town. I think bitmap and gif contains at least 1 scum and that's scum's endgame pair. bye.

Why would vecna flip scum idgi

which is why we're doing bingdis sakura

I also don't get it

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Firecringer why do u leave dances.

[chennisden]

Fire oka and Chenn bingle is the best endgame proposed imo.

Why not Piekura

It's pretty much a guaranteed town win

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I mean it doesn't matter if the game is still going on the not bingdis pair leaves

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I just prefer the pair that can't wriggle their way out of losing

[chennisden]

Fire oka and Chenn bingle is the best endgame proposed imo.

Why not Piekura

It's pretty much a guaranteed town win

Idk Chen "pie never makes it to endgame" nisden why not?

Piekura is good if people decide to do it, I saw consensus against it.

Sheep me I'm chennis

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She doesn't make it to endgame btw unless we completely wreck all the scum first

[chennisden]

Are you trying to steal Shiro's job of cpt obv

[chennisden]

She doesn't make it to endgame btw unless we completely wreck all the scum first

We should leave pie to endgame or we shouldn't? Not really getting your message here dude.

Final pairs neq endgame, shouldn't have called it {endgame pairs}

Let's say we have {Chenn Bingle} {Pie Sakura} with one scum left

Then Sakura leaves, so the game ends

Then the "endgame" is Chenn Bingle

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Uh Pie should be a final pair yeah

[chennisden]

Bring that up with Sakura

She is adamant about not letting pie scum win

[chennisden]

Uh Pie should be a final pair yeah

gross

I'm suing for defamation

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So it's either {Chen Bingle} {Fire Oka} or {Chen Bingle} {Sakura Pie}

As long as the other pair goes byebye idrc

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I just trust Sakura/Pie more than I trust you, Fire.

[chennisden]

I'm suing for slander

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Let's just say, Ank,

that was pretty gay

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nth

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how do i know ur not gonna leave

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Don't.

Leave.

On me!

Cause I'm having a good time, having a good time

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yeah like you'd ever agree to that

h y p o c r i t e

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hi scum im chennis

[chennisden]

why not

trolling scum

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hi town im chennis

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Yeah she townread Vecna

[chennisden]

DON'T! LEAVE! ME! NOW!

DON'T LEAVE ME NOW!

HAVING A GOOD TIME HAVING A GOOD TIME

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not sure you realized grob is dead

[chennisden]

yeah that's what we're doin

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Yeah she townread Vecna

Correct genius, you know why? because I’m fucking town and you’re starting to remind me of GS here? Are you?

Hi fucking town I'm chennis

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Idk

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A bear that jumped into the stratosphere

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We're gonna win so

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does leave the dance actions count still at this point before intermission?

if all of us except one pair leaves does that give scum 0 kills and we win!?!?!

no

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what happens if i flip scum

will people be amazed

no

[chennisden]

Something we agree on

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what happens if i flip scum

will people be amazed

while that would be cool, I don't think its likely.

maybe ausuka. not you.

Ausuka is town! God you people are hopeless.

well. I am lynching u tomorrow.

Done with ur shit Nimueh.

Can't believe u actually are doing the right thing

Sheep FB

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Later

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that's going too far.

[chennisden]

i love you firecringer but you really should stop

[chennisden]

I no longer blame Ank for leaving

I'm mad but I don't blame her

[chennisden]

You're here to keep my sanity so

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Can you stop fire

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For me FB

[chennisden]

i think a chewing out should look different than that.

convince me that i am wrong. go.

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y

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because this game might as well be over?

and you don't have to be dealing with it

[chennisden]

i prefer u not tell people to go fuck themselves with a strapon.

[chennisden]

ank!!

[chennisden]

I havent finished catching up but...
did you just kill first dance straight into intermission without letting the IC say stuff at least?

blame the people who left

[chennisden]

Anyway I full knew the game would enter this phase at some point.
I tried my best to keep the town morale high by making the game sound easy and etc.
Guess it didn't work out.

it's okay, it actually is ez

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Just pretend ur ok with the proceedings

[chennisden]

Who

Freezer boy

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Just imagine if we won... how funny this whole pre-intermission discussion is...

oh my oh my

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id hope scum has the decency to tell us at least

[chennisden]

My oh my.

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no u

[chennisden]

No I still don't understand what scumteam kills my pairing

{Croag Ank GROB} that's my solve gg ez cya later

[chennisden]

it's actually croag/Ausuka/bingle

It's actually Chennis Chennis Chennis

[chennisden]

Kinda is

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I also see no point in Vecna leaving

[chennisden]

my sanity is like a house of cards and ank leaving is the little kid blowing it down.

[chennisden]

Okay friendo

[chennisden]

Dammit ank, now Chen expects me to solve the game. Goddamn communists wanting everyone to do their fair share of the work. This is some bullshit.

Fuck you Bingle

[chennisden]

Solve the game