Gay Dance! [Donezo]

[chennisden]

having tantrums when being SRed works.

don't do this it doesn't make the game fun for everyone and it doesn't feel good when you win

if you dont cross the line it's okay imo

and "the Line" is EASILY definable.

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btw im fine with releasing all pts im involved in.

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quote sigged, chenn. Your move.

yeah i goteem

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ah, the beauty of the irony of my post

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if it helps i think u played well!

all i'd say you shouldn't have done was
1) randomly paranoia pie for no good reason (this is the BIG and obvious one)
2) tunnel on me being scum. like yeah i was scum but ur playing to lynch me not to get postgame credit when i mislynch the last t/t pair. in fact i think it gave me a couple of things: 1) paranoia on ur pair 2) a scapegoat for "these r bad reasons for SRing me" (fb helped too) and 3) made it plausible i wouldn't be NKed.

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that was @ sakura.

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pie don't quit because of me

you were fun

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I'm here to ensure that no one has any fun. That is all.

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im probably going to play a more laid back and casual style. convey stuff with videos.

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and gifs and memes.

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i did

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Please fill out a questionaire:

1) How betrayed do u feel on a scale of 1 to 10.
2) would u TR me in future games on a scale from red to green.
3) How can we solve this game.

[chennisden]

Jesus we spammed 15 pages of postgame.

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how betrayed do u feel

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idk i think this time you were wrong because my slot was treated the same way as it normally is as town.

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btw when i said anyone else would be insta locked town for playing how i played i wasn't wrong

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Jesus we spammed 15 pages of postgame.

Kinda happens when the game ends up like this

ya im kinda glad i ended this so quick esp since i have to leave the whole day tmrw. sad.

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if ur srsly considering leaving ur team is prolly t/t

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i need to look for stuff to sig tbh.

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i let u bingy boy cuz at that point it didnt matter

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idk i think this time you were wrong because my slot was treated the same way as it normally is as town.

Possibly, I find that likely but I'm not entirely sure. You're someone I don't feel like I have a strong basis in reading, even though I did peg you as scum eventually in GS after I replaced out.

you pegged me as town like 7 times in a row though

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granted 5 of them were free reads

idk if im a free read anymore, tbh.

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Was ur partner town?

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Idk I didn't actually count I made up a number.

I think you didn't want to have to SR me in GS tbh. You put me as town near the beginning and put me as "maybe scum but keep him out of PoE"

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Oka is this the second time I pocketed u

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No I feel like the amount of games I played w/ u is actually about 5 and that includes 2 scum

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Idk I def have some lessons to learn and some ways to improve off this game thou

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The coalition basically guiltied me and its hilarious how many mislynches I pulled off after. My old scum meta was get shallow TRs dont care that people are SRing me mislynch a ton of people and set partner up to endgame.

You should probably expect a lot more of this though in the future

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I think having a clear scum agenda gives some people away and I use jokeposts to divert from that agenda or I play to town's agenda for a bit when it doesn't hurt.

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Can we not have an IC next game?

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It gives scum an easy kill that doesn't need an explanation and makes the setup very linear.

Let's say I killed FB/Oka (was considering it tbh but Nah). It points to Nim's pair and yeet.

Now let's note I killed cheeky shiro. that told nobody anything. not saying IC isn't batshit townsided, but it's unfun for everyone involved and lowers the skill ceiling.

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I would rly want that to happen since this setup is quick and fun. The core mechanic is also something people like.

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like if we're gonna go down the line of "what's more fun" the IC should still be removed. do u want to be told that "hey ur gonna have no fun and nobody wants to pair wiht u glhf!"

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Do u want to force ICs to suffer RC

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Boo

Part of the point of mafia is obvtowning its boring for the mod to be like "hey ur town"

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If I was the IC i wouldve gone batshit insane and prolly hated this game.

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Uh i thought i just did

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this game!!

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congratulations chenn you've become one of the privileged ones

enjoy your ptsd

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You haven't experienced the paranoia, chenn.

I've lost games because of it.

P A R A N O I A

And ppl say this is townsided but they dont count people's emotions into it, coz you cant EV ppl's emotions.

i had emotions too sakura. that's not nice

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I meant lost games because of paranoia on me specifically.

yeah i know

but i've also got the

paranoia

part on me

i just did not lose

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if i was town we could've won together ankamius

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silly chennisden, scum aren't people lulw

i guess this is why setups are designed to make it marginally fun at the expense of maf i a

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WOW.

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No u

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Sadly for u I was scum.

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Btw when u and Ausuka were like "Croag rnged the readslist" I'm like "wait, why did u know and i didn't know this"

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I would've made sure u didn't do that cuz I knew ur that type of person to lolleave

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The real question is:

WAS THE LIST RNGED?

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Oh cmon you were paired with GROB

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Tbh having a serious impulse to leave (something that you'll end up acting on) means ur partner is town

[chennisden]

hey alisae can i siggy your "scum arent people" message?

Please be nice to me

[chennisden]

I'm tempted to sue u for defamation

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Gif can you fill my questionaire out

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Please fill out a questionaire:

1) How betrayed do u feel on a scale of 1 to 10.
2) would u TR me in future games on a scale from red to green.
3) How can we solve this game.

[chennisden]

Okapoka i feel like we'd be a pair in secret alts

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Then I'd pocket u again.

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chennis stop sabotaging ur future scum games ur going to make me want to lynch you every game

until i develop a totally new way of playing scum that snows the town again

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fire townslip wasnt a townslip buddy

he was talking about third as in he didnt know partner. u know, there are three scums in total.

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what if i roll town sakura

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im scared of that green role PM hold me

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oh my

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I've townslipped at least 5 times this game

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If u bs read people though the town won't listen

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btw do you want to play a game called "guess how long the scum pt was"

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43 pages.

Didn't expect u to almost double the actual number

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Surprisingly 23 but would've been 60 w/o discord.

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I lied at that rate it would've been like 35 ish

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If u bs read people though the town won't listen

I know.
I already gave up on making town listen.

U shouldn't give up sakura! there were some concrete cases that could've been made on me. and I think u saw a few points that could actually be made on me but you couldn't string it together for some reason and just resorted to calling me scum.

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Like ok im gonna post something that would've won town the game had sakura/pie/idk posted it

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I think Chennisden is scum and you've just brushed off the potential of him being scum, and here's why.

1. CROAG

The way he approached Croag's slot when "deciding" to choose between Croag and Bingle did not feel like sorting and actually felt more like someone trying to make an informed decision to set themselves up in the best possible light. Consider Post 1087 as an example. He asks people for his thoughts about Croag/Bingle while having no substantial thoughts should be indicative of this. He was obviously trying to bait responses to see if he could afford saving Croag, or whether throwing Croag under the bus was the smartest move for him to make. I particularly didn't like how he was townread for choosing Bingle as his partner over Croag.

(Meta comment: I chose to discredit that as a good reason to townread me since it could've been angleshot pretty easily and I felt it would set me up better in the future. It did.)

In particular, Post 1103 looks like damage control, where he was considering saving Croag but ultimately decided not to in favor of making it later into the game. He had no real reason to hide his Croag scumread and it seemed very weird that he did that. Not only was his read on Croag something weird that he kept doubling down on even after it became an unproductive line of discussion, he also approached the slot in a "selfish" sort of manner where he was trying to look good off of the interactions, and I don't buy that he had some sort of magic sense to tell that Croag was scum, especially given that he hasn't played with her before. He also hides behind pienyan's reasoning in Post 1201 while trying to pass it off as something genuine because his interactions with the Croag slot probably damned him.

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and etc.

[chennisden]

Something like this?

Hmm. Who do you think is his partner?

I was thinking it was bitmap.
If either of them makes it to endgame then scum wins.

When ppl wanted chenn dead bitmap was going to endgame, but now that chenn's being proposed for endgame, they now suddenly dont mind if bitmap gets lynched.

like i think u were sorta right on your reads, but if you took the time and articulated it similar to how i just did, i think you would've found that nim was an obv partner to me

[chennisden]

I skipped all your cringepost tbh

Define cringepost dude

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did anyone fully read those wall posts by chennisden?

the reason u couldn't actually sr me for good reasons anymore was cuz u couldnt read my wallposts.

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I think Chennisden is scum and you've just brushed off the potential of him being scum, and here's why.

if ur scum, you tend to view yourself and others (especially your partners) as more scummy then most people would.

idk the first thing i would've done as town was ISO croag and look for associatives. when there are few u look at the associatives that other people have to croag pointing IN.

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I skipped all your cringepost tbh

Define cringepost dude

After that unholy clusterfuck of selfmeta post I stopped reading your posts mostly.

wow gif not nice

im suing for libel and slander

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i knew my lack of anime avatar would play off one day....

i want to be with a lesbian who will probably post at a similar vain to me, i wouldnt be able to keep up with the amount someone like chenn speaks in here lol

like this should've been enough to warrant looking at me and my iso + ctrl f "Chennis" should've been enough to warrant lynching me.

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And i said you'd get auto lynched with croag when you said "why wouldnt i pair with croag"

i actually think i could've pulled pairing up with croag off. i just felt that pairing with croag would make me more frustrated with the game.

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pairing with bingle was def objectively better though and u should've called me out on it WAY harder

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i think i totally ignored that point and that's cuz i couldnt answer it

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Btw when I wallpost as town I include colors to make reading easier.

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Unless I have reason not to ig

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i AM you, ya know

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lolw

viewtopic.php?p=11162545#p11162545 also was right though i think you guys were an obv t/t pair. specifically scum plays vastly different if pie is scum.

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Time to be shocked then.

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I think it was a joke

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gg, thanks for modding Ali and congrats scum. Sorry for being a stupid idiot.

ur good ausuka. how does it feel to be MLed??

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ur reads were based in good logic imo

i dont think u were wrong minus on me, and thats the defining characteristic of this game.

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We really should of had most of the cooks just to trust Ank.

that would've propelled me to endgame in this case. generally i do agree with you.

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The way I played around you this game was specifically to address that possibility.

I still don’t understand how you had my slot at the bottom of your readslist in the beginning of GS.

i 8balled u lol

thats why u were called scum early on

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pts?

my sig requires the bingdis pt

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ow

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10 bucks if u release the bingdis pt, that's all we need folks

bingle is ok with it btw

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I really don't think the gay version is more townsided than the original

The pairings are significantly less informative since generally half the pairings are basically forced.

I talked about this in our PT, which I support releasing if that was ever a question, but my problem with gay dance is the not insignificant potential for all scum to be in the same dating pool. Which means that during predance they're pretty well forced to interact heavily and introduces a level of swing that is inferior to normal dance, a setup which I already think is balanced based on town being bad at logic which is a pretty meh setup marker imo.

proof