Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Cephrir]

Hello friends

What's good

I'm strongly leaning towards not reading this, so yall better impress me from scratch

[Cephrir]

I'm strongly leaning towards not reading this, so yall better impress me from scratch

this is a really good idea ftr

we're uh, pretty sure you're scum. your pred's final ~10ish posts might be worth having a look at

That's unfortunate. I hope I can persuade you otherwise.

I guess I'll look at it but it sounds a lot like a waste of time, gonna be tough to convince me I'm scum

[Cephrir]

I really like the lion king

If I get timonen to come do a little song and dance with me can I be town

[Cephrir]

Ok why was it important I read my predecessor bleeding town all over the thread

[Cephrir]

I guess I'll look at it but it sounds a lot like a waste of time, gonna be tough to convince me I'm scum

check ur role pm again pal

don't need to convince you you're scum but e.g. dann/ali/myself are going to approach you with a tonne of scepticism and i don't want you to be surprised at feeling alienated

I'm used to it, I havent been able to buy townreads in my last few games no matter how town I was

Just dont be mean and we're cool

Is there anyone who's clear or anything, btw? Any important role info I should be aware of?

[Cephrir]

I see the hider my predecessor was talking about died n1. I feel pretty comfortable suggesting that if we havent figured out what the hider did by now, we probably should stop trying.

[Cephrir]

Cephir there are 5 scum
SS is confirmed town
Dunnstral is confirmed town

you figure it out the rest from there

Literally confirmed, yeah? I dont need to concern myself with edge cases?

[Cephrir]

Ok why was it important I read my predecessor bleeding town all over the thread

What?

Ok why was it important I read my predecessor bleeding town all over the thread

[Cephrir]

That's a very interesting off-ramp from "read your pred's last 10 or so posts". Pretty sure it's been plainly stated Krazy was under fire. So I don't think saying he was "bleeding town" comes off genuine in any fashion.

I dont really understand. Why do I have to agree with what everyone else thinks? I read them in a vacuum and to me they look like a fed up, suffering townie. I do have the benefit of having read his role pm, as well. I should think it would be strange for me to arrive at any other conclusion.

This is a weird take

[Cephrir]

I'm not sure I did a good job of explaining why that is such a bizarre line of attack to me

Like you can not like my post but... not genuine? You've never seen someone townread somebody who was under attack before?

[Cephrir]

@Ceph you don't but you don't see at all how what your predecessor has donever is sketchy? A lot of it is contextual so I can understand not seeing it just reading Krazy in isolation but try to widen your scope. You're at a proper computer right?

I read his last 10 posts because I was asked to. They seemed town.

I am not going to read his whole iso. If I were going to read any of this game, my predecessor would be the absolute last priority.

[Cephrir]

Well, you said it seemed not genuine. You didnt say it seemed hasty. I can only reply to the words you post, the ones in your head are beyond me.

Why wouldn't I be hasty in concluding something I literally know to be true?

[Cephrir]

That is a terrible use of my time in this game. I am not going to town case myself. Especially because if I did it would be hand waved as lacking context because I'm not reading 500 pages. I would much rather figure out who is scum, thanks.

[Cephrir]

Cephrir it would be a good use of your time to get a read on Dannflor

Sure I could do an iso or two later

[Cephrir]

Well, you said it seemed not genuine. You didnt say it seemed hasty. I can only reply to the words you post, the ones in your head are beyond me.

Why wouldn't I be hasty in concluding something I literally know to be true?

It seems like it was a bit of a leap to make such a statement. I think it was an ill formed idea, lacking comprehension or sense. If you can continue to state such a thing consideringredients what I present, and it is rationally presented, it will go a ways towards changing that view of it.

You are just plain wrong. Sorry. "Bleeding" to me means someone who's having an emotional response to something in the game and clearly having feelings in the thread. If I townread the posts where this is happening, its bleeding town. I also know I am town.

This is such a bizarre argument it makes me feel like you're worried about a game winning mislynch possibly slipping away due to replacement.

[Cephrir]

To get back to this, I've never seen anyone put a real definition to that term before so yours might be valid? Point out what you are seeing in each post.

Why is this so important to you and why do you so badly want me to waste my time inspecting myself

[Cephrir]

To get back to this, I've never seen anyone put a real definition to that term before so yours might be valid? Point out what you are seeing in each post.

Why is this so important to you and why do you so badly want me to waste my time inspecting myself

You've supposedly already inspected those posts? You can just say what about each of them gave you the impression you got.

What is this possibly going to accomplish do you think I'm all of
-scum
-too lazy to have read the posts before saying this
And
-too terrible at mafia to invent reasons to townread the posts once I read them

Because that's kinda rude dood

[Cephrir]

Because he keeps asking me questions about nothing

[Cephrir]

Either because hes scum, made a really lame attack on me to preserve his krazy mislynch and now needs to make it look real, or he just gets a kick out of messing with me

[Cephrir]

Fine I'll do it in a bit but I maintain that it's stupid

[Cephrir]

Hey Cephrir,

Let’s go chill out in the scum pt

Pine is making cookies

Hell yeah dude, why murder townies when we could be having cookies

I hope they're butterscotch

[Cephrir]

I don’t like how “warm puppy” is spreading.

Would you prefer "heatwoofer"

[Cephrir]

is that literally just a free vig shot?

[Cephrir]

It killed the user last time

I think Pine confirmed that protection can stop that effect though

...And we believe him why?

[Cephrir]

so ur telling me there was a mechanic in the game where known scum could give out powers with unknown drawbacks but had the option to not give them to anyone
and yall actually used them?? come on

[Cephrir]

Spoiler: Job Application for Gamma

Dear Mr. Emerald,

Attached please find my resume. I look forward 2 working with u and hope 2 hear from u soon.

I know it's not a guilty

Why would Ank choose Buffy other than that it was a joke

why would Ank choose movies when she doesn't even watch them

but okay, why if you are town, are you not pushing Mena? Who else could she have plausibly hid behind?

Like you continue to want to just drop it altogether but this is mylo and there is no reason to argue that it's a bad time to talk about a mech guilty

there's clear town motivation to wanting to figure this out still, and it does sound strange on the face of it that someone would want to dismiss this even though i, an enlightened one, agree

THAT'S NOT TOWN POSTING

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO SAY TO THAT

if you're town you are confbiasing to the extreme here and it's actually ridiculous

you came in and said that I stopped tunneling you for political reasons when MASTINA was happening

that's so insane and laughable I refuse to believe you would drop that shade as town dude, there's no way. That's such a gross and incomprehensible misrepresentation it frankly is astonishing.

i like emotion in general but sure theres not too much here

I didn't say "lol pop in" after you started making posts with content

Yeah instead you said it IMMEDIATELY after I make my first post of the day

give me a break, if you want to interact with me why the fuck would you immediately go to poisoning the well?

if this has any basis in reality it makes me suspect dan but idk if he's just so tunnelled at this point he sees everything as an unreasonable attack

I am pushing Mena

read my posts maybe

okay then why the fuck is your argument "WHY DID THIS BECOME A GUILTY" and not "actually I think it's Mena"?

Why do you launch immediately into defensiveness?

seems like a good question 2 me, and the sort of thing that tends to come from someone who's super tunnelled

who's pushing you in bad faith then? where do you see the scum dogpile?

Maybe an entire page of people coming in and shitting on Dunn for townreading me?

im not sure how it isnt self evident that this is the type of thing that comes from someone whos actually frustrated
not that scum dont have real emotion sometimes but frustration with feeling incorrectly scumread by everyone is an experience i can relate to and im not sure i get as grumpy about it if it's correct

why did you like...not give a shit about lynching dann or following through on the mech guilty until now if you felt so strongly about it? i've p much convinced myself she hid behind nacho

I was still thinking about it and wanted to have a conversation with people I was thinking might be scum on why they were willing to entertain both Dann and Mena being town. I misunderstood one of your confusing posts earlier that included a weird thought experiment where they were both town but then you said it was just a weird post. Then I started asking Pink Ball about his reasoning and Ali decided I didn't want to play the game because asking questions instead of leading a lynch is scummy now, since you know, it involves mech.

Prove me wrong. Why would Ank hide behind someone she basically never mentions?

And while you're at it, why are you not scum for joining in the "oh no krazy is talking about mech" bullshit? Why do you want to ignore a guilty or displace it onto something that there is zero reason to think happened?

i would townread the bold if i were not playing in the slot

Why isn't Mena more likely the guilty from your perspective? It feels like you switched that to fit this narrative you're pushing about me.

If this is how you feel why did you not join me on Mena ever until now? Why did you only flip your read on Mena when he flipped his read of you?

these questions seem like real scumhunting

this feels like an ace you've been keeping in your sleeve, not like believable trajectory.
we're in a spot where it's distinctly beneficial for scum to play all their cards
town!you abso-fucking-lutely actually makes an effort to play this in better faith than you've played it here

Maybe because if I express uncertainty about it or ask people their opinions I'm accused of only talking about mech? And in fact people have been piggybacking on mastina pushing back against me having mech? And I just had to deal with a townflip from someone who accused me of only talking about THIS VERY MECH?

So now it's a guilty. Prove me wrong. I don't give a fuck if you like my "trajectory" this game has been a shitshow and now I'm making a decision. At this point the town needs some level of direction.

again this frustration comes across town
this might be the towniest post in the whole batch - "deal with a townflip" is probably a turn of phrase scum avoid and the last paragraph is v real

Oh okay

so if I talk about it I get all caps

but if I don't talk about it it's not a real trajectory

more of the same

You know what this game literally isn't worth it, I'm going to really start losing you here duck so I'm just going to write this off as alignment shit and call it a game.

why would scum get frustrated enough to replace out of a game they're winning this hard?

Please feel free to call me with any further questions. Thank u 4 ur time.

[Cephrir]

for everyone else if u want u can basically pretend i posted "tone" in size 500 text and not waste ur time reading my pointless homework assignment

[Cephrir]

This stuff looks pretty solid.

ngl im surprised you had a positive response to that i feel like everything i said could easily be gleaned from reading the posts! but ok!

VOTE: PP because Glorious Leader has spoken

[Cephrir]

Ya we do :/

[Cephrir]

Should I unvote because Glorious Leader is nuts

[Cephrir]

If so it's the shittiest blitz of all time

[Cephrir]

I'm sry for insulting your honor
We the scumteam are executing an extremely precise blitz train on a townie right now

[Cephrir]

Flawless tbh that's why it's taking several hours

Real talk I feel comfortable voting here partly because it isnt dead yet

[Cephrir]

really? the slowness of it to me suggest it might be town. But I don't really care that much. I feel like not voting just for those extra scum points I get if it flips scum so people can point to that and say I am still open wolfing.

Ur open pupping

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

mena is gonna be like boom hammer and I'll be like

Do u want it or do u not

[Cephrir]

Therapy is good shit dude

[Cephrir]

PP is scum
Ceph is scum
Maria is scum

Wooper is a butt

[Cephrir]

Actually Gamma is trying to townread Ceph who is just constantly scumposting so I'm not sure how much I like that

?????????

[Cephrir]

u guys r bullying me >:

[Cephrir]

ok u caught me i give up gr8 detective work

[Cephrir]

it's never been a mafia site

i for one welcome our commie overlords

[Cephrir]

MafiaScum is not a dating site >_<

does not check out w my experiences

[Cephrir]

things mafiascum has done for me:
-make me realize i hate mafia
-met the cutest boy in the world

things mafiascum has done for most users:
-make them realize they hate mafia

i feel like i'm doing well

[Cephrir]

o ya i even kinda made lasting friendships in the lsg community

get on my level tbh

[Cephrir]

Ya especially ali

[Cephrir]

Nice

i think krazzy played too hard, felt manipulative and NOPEd out

Yeah scum playing too well is usually what gets them to walk out????

[Cephrir]

Are we lynching me today? If were gonna no matter what I do pls let me know so I dont need to get invested

[Cephrir]

yes ceph I cased this yday stop the multiple?posting creature proved it's a scum thing

That's ludicrous

It's just a thing some people do

[Cephrir]

did you ever get around to taking a look at Dann's ISO cephir?

Not yet. Since a lynch started happening I didnt want to waste effort if it was possibly a game ender
I'll do it tomorrow probably

[Cephrir]

On the other hand wooper's hard caught me with his sick data that multiple question marks is lockscum so I should probably just say cuff me

[Cephrir]

because he was pushed by dannflor and PP

so?

thats not a bus??????????????

Ali that is too many question marks ur scum now

[Cephrir]

So at a minimum, 2 scum have to be on PP, mathematically.

Lord, give me the strength not to snap at the wagon color inners. Lord, deliver me from VCA. I need your strength to keep my lunch down when they start selecting arbitrary groups and declaring random amounts of scum to be in them.

[Cephrir]

Yeah. Yeah that's probably best for everyone.

[Cephrir]

Yeah. Yeah, I do. Sometimes in games with known VCAers I vote right after my scumbuddies on purpose. 00000:::::

[Cephrir]

So at a minimum, 2 scum have to be on PP, mathematically.

Lord, give me the strength not to snap at the wagon color inners. Lord, deliver me from VCA. I need your strength to keep my lunch down when they start selecting arbitrary groups and declaring random amounts of scum to be in them.

No this is actually always true: Dunnstral and SO were off the wagon so two out of seven living town at that time were off the wagon. Thus 2 scum HAVE to be on it. Maybe don't knee jerk react to any attempts to look at a wagon.

No, I understand that. It's just not insightful because the same is true of any group of that same number of nonconftown.

[Cephrir]

I'll try to drop it. Sorry. I've been doing this thing lately where I get annoyed by people not playing how I want them to and it tends to mostly make everyone dislike me and that's it.

[Cephrir]

hey ceph who are the last four scum in ur opinion?

I am thinking iconeum, gamma, menalque, and dannyboi

Several of those people have made few or no posts while I've been in the game!

From what I've seen I suspect gamma a little but what I've seen is not much yet. I'm hoping to start having opinions soon, though this game is uniquely strange in not requiring me to do so because treestumps.

[Cephrir]

I'd like to town lean fire for the cute song and dance but hes probably always cute.

[Cephrir]

I'm gonna start with flipped scum tomorrow and then the isos I was asked for.

Ordinarily I would skip LLD since clearly associative hunting from her didnt work, but i do know her better than most so it's possible I might have some unique insight.

Night night

[Cephrir]

r u scumreading gamma or just like not liking his takes?

His approach to me was moderately awkward.

[Cephrir]

ok so pp did absolutely nothing at any point ever.

roger that.

[Cephrir]

yeah idk if i found anything useful here i mostly just turned up a metric fuckton of, well, you were all here, you know.

lld is at this point quite well known for compulsive bussing (i think?) and considering this is an invitational where a lot of players will know this i feel like she might have changed up her approach.
whatever, here are some posts i'm going to be wishy-washy about. it's just a branding thing, really, i'm obligated.

VOTE: chickadee

VOTE: menalque, he's so fucking opportunistic

What kills me is both these votes are attrocious and I can't help but wonder if one of them is bussing the other when I watch this.

All of Menalque's votes are garbage, btw. The Fire vote was pointless and hung there ever since post 51 and then he switched onto this?!

What kind of move is that, what is he accomplishing?

It just don't feel right.

I don't think LLD ever mentions Menalque again after this. My first thought is "aborted bus" but I'm also reading the thread massively out of context (for all i know mena towned his ass off after) and that's also not giving this pretty good player any credit. so idk here it is, think what u want.

and Maria being town and turning it into a pressure situation.

really? cause I never felt pressure from my wagon and def not from marias empty vote.

I mean, whether the move was effective on you (and your ego? because believe it or not you're a lot closer to being D1 lynched than you think you are rn friend. and this calm and cool persona ain't helping us if you're town) I think that was Maria's intent in the vote to get something out of you, so I'm reading it that way.

i don't think i am immune to lynch, but the general vibe of the game is definitey not scumreading me. Like not even a single vote on me is really from "fire is scum" its like leftover rvs and chickadee forced vote. I am pretty aware of where everyone is at with reading me rn. Most have me at null or town.

so i think ur perception of my mislynchability is just how you think of me as a player not as a general outlook of how people are looking at me, which tbh why would you care to look at that. i care enough for general reads and ego purposes

I mean last I saw Ali still wants you dead?

or has that changed

this doesn't strike me as a scumbuddy interaction

I mean last I saw Ali still wants you dead?or has that changed

i mean, do you honestly think ali counts for anything? ICs are generally ignored to begin with.

I mean she completely derailed my Xof lynch and trust me I still think Xof is scum, but there's not a lot more I can learn there while Ali is deflecting all attempts to probe.

Admittedly, Xof's post in reply to mine was a bit better than I expected it to be, but she also had the benefit of time and protection from Ali so

I dunno. I thikn Ali has some sway.

i think ur overstating alisae effect on that

It's how it felt to me, but sure.

Look this is more a pep talk because the more I talk to you about this the more convinced I become you're town so I'd rather not watch your pride go before your fall, if you will.

this also reads like a pocket attempt

It's how it felt to me, but sure.Look this is more a pep talk because the more I talk to you about this the more convinced I become you're town so I'd rather not watch your pride go before your fall, if you will.

ummm im not saying my takes on your case is what stopped xofelf push/wagon;

real question cause im kind of curious: do you think i have some sort of pride issue or what?

I do. I think you kind of suffer from the condition where you think you shouldn't and thus won't be lynched, and don't expect to be, and when you suddenly are it's because other people are idiots and not because you weren't paying attention to where the wind was blowing.

I dunno, that's still my sense of you. I admittedly haven't played with you in a while, but...

more of the same, yeah?

So far in that post I would be ok with xof after ali abandoned her, but disagree on pops and JJH.

Was gonna write tonight, got super sleepy. here is what I have shortform

Basically, between Ank and Chen I think Chen is more likely. (Chen has a ton of bad posts I need to outline, so does Ank but Chen is more draftable and fits the team I imagine better)

Between Pink and Krazy I think Pink is more likely (more actively lurking and more active inaction, where as Krazy kind of is being more flowy. I feel like scum would seek to control or be directed by Pine here)

Between Maria and Katsuki, I think Maria. Kats resembles his town patterning a bit TOO much despite how he normally is, while Maria's interaction with Ali wrt her mental progression on voting me felt super staged and fake, like she was poked about it and came around too easily, too quickly.

So Maria Pink Chen are my other 3

can expand later

it's remarkable to me that multiple players cited as the picks here are still alive

but this is post-shitstorm and she probably is expecting to not go far

I would lynch Pink tbh

Feel way more confident about Pink>Krazy

this comes out of basically nowhere and is not supported - i want to say that makes it a bus, but i guess if i'm her this game i probably consider hard never bussing ever

i think reading what others did d1 SHOULD be very interesting. LLD is the centerpiece of any scumteam she's on and i literally HAVE to think that scum are going to want to either get mad towncred for ditching her, or keep her. like i know this sounds level 0 but this player is genuinely very important in a way that merits level 0 play around her. i'm probably going to think being not on LLD but not strongly pushing anything else is the towniest place to be, but obviously i am a player who is interested in how & why players do what they do vastly more than what they do (they don't call me the anti-titus, but they should) so i need to see the posts

[Cephrir]

ok this is gonna sound really stupid but hear me out

does LLD interacting with someone meaningfully at all make them more likely to be scum?

By sheer virtue of the fact that so many players are dead, anyone currently alive is mathematically suspicious.

You can either interact with your scumbuddies or not, and there are only so many of them, and you don't know who is going to be alive in endgame.

idk even i think this sounds really stupid but i'm wondering if this is how math works.

[Cephrir]

ok google how do i delete my own thought process

[Cephrir]

don't u dare start ending the day while im doing stuff

[Cephrir]

i would say you can just check the first post to see who died but you can't because it isn't updated

in fact i guess i'm not even in this game, bye

[Cephrir]

oh also no one died lol i'm dumb

[Cephrir]

idk it kiiinda sounds like im off the hook and can stop doing work

[Cephrir]

oh shit yall have a ton of posts

ughhhhhh

[Cephrir]

Check the list of living players again, boarman.

damn

[Cephrir]

that's a bad argument sry

[Cephrir]

that made me think that you were roleblocked the night I tracked you.

i don't think that is how trackers work?

[Cephrir]

that made me think that you were roleblocked the night I tracked you.

i don't think that is how trackers work?

What do you mean? If the worst was roleblocked, he couldn't visit anyone

i thought that if someone was roleblocked they still submitted a target, it just didn't work

eh, im probably wrong

[Cephrir]

who cares? LLD was right.

[Cephrir]

i throw pine's fruit back at him. boo! get new material!

[Cephrir]

I'm town reading FF based off the last few pages. PP is slightly less town but still town.

Ari, I have absolutely no idea what to make of you. What are your non-Mastina reads?

i am surprised that PP, whose iso i just read and found 400% devoid of content, merits mentioning.

Right so I've been known to take AtE that shouldn't be alignment indicative and misread it as town before

I'm trying not to do that here despite my inclination to tone read LL's outrage as such

imo, everything she's done from the beginning of the game has been town motivated. #275 generates content out of almost nothing and is a good way to help move the game out of RVS.

I liked the case on jjh a lot. I felt like i was mindmelding with her at the point in the game because I've been very mixed on jjh and she pointed out a lot of the stuff that had been bothering me

and then it quickly spirals out of hand, you start calling her scum along with others. If I'm being objective the extreme reaction and drama shit that happened isn't really alignment indicative imo so I'll skip past that

and then the last thing is the commuter claim, which, my main thing with is that I just don't know why she suddenly claims that when she does if she's scum—I feel like she'd have better claim prepared if she wanted to be town read specifically for a claim and the timing of it seems off if that was her goal anyways

hmm.
i think so far i might be fine with this. but i know i'm going to be iffier on other things around her. basically when dann does post about LLD it's reasonably solid defense, though there isn't that much of it. i'm assuming that LLD was the center of the game at at least some point. maybe that was the 10 pages dann says later he didn't read? but i was surprised how much of day 1 he spent on other things.

i got ahead of myself there but i like to get things on paper before i forget them

Oh I see that now, thanks for outlining it

It's definitely not how I would have approached the situation, but I don't think it's scum indicative for LL?

#1388 reads very much like town that had a specific plan/idea in mind and is frustrated that she's not getting what she wants. Again, trying very hard not to read the angry outbursts as AI, but in this instance I'm not sure LL was even trying to get an answer anymore, just lamenting that she didn't get a direct one earlier

If LLD is scum, like you said she should already be able to have a good guess what the answer is from Ali and shut up about it so she can quietly NK him later. like it doesn't really make sense for her to continue prodding about it in such an obvious way?

do we know if scum have daytalk? no one calls LLD "LL" so that's of slight interest
i guess i don't love seeing someone in a hard defending place but i can find some genuine notes in the details of how he does so - such as his repeated commentary that he's trying not to read emotional outbursts (this isn't the first post that has this) as town and then proceeding to get to a townread within the same post, i like that

I think my vote applies more pressure here either way

VOTE: UT

most of UT's ISO is scumplaining for being unable to catch up, I would like some real content from the replacement

I was just kinda looking at off wagons and the smaller ones first to see which votes I could sway

Dude what the fuck are you doing?

I’m in the same boat as Ari, I’m just like not sold on LLD being scum?

ok

VOTE: LLD

There are a good number of posts between these two, but it still feels jarring. i would think town and scum alike would both feel the urge to put more words with this vote, so i can only conclude that this dude isn't me.

on the other hand if she is a scum commuter

she commutes anyway

and then we're in the exact same position tomorrow

and I really don't wanna waste any more day phases with this shit

this is a pretty bizarre way to get to a bus, right? i'm trying to have an extra skeptical eye because i literally know 4 out of 7 players are scum but it is hard. i'm better at picking out good stuff.

on the other hand if she is a scum commuter

she commutes anyway

and then we're in the exact same position tomorrow

It only costs a worthless 1-shot neighborizer shot for that to not be a thing

Any signs of ascetism would be powerlynched

It's mostly just that I'm at the point where I'm resigned to LLD vs. whoever taking up the majority of today's real estate. It's going to take an ungodly amount of pulling teeth to get another lynch especially if Alisae is against it (also I don't think we have anywhere near a consensus on what that could be yet), and I'm not too keen on the idea of this clusterfuck potentially extending through D2 based on whatever night shenanigans could happen regarding her role

in this player list i can easily buy feeling little agency
but i guess it's also an alright reason not to continue making oneself look bad by defending further someone who is plainly toast.

Lady Lambdadelta

- Let's get this fucking slot out of the way. I don't really know what it's going to flip. I can see it both ways at this point. I've already talked previously about the stuff I saw from LLD that was town motivated. I liked her cases on Xof and jjh respectively. Overall, I just read her tone as town and her actions as pro-town. But with several players bearing down on her as "caught scum," several players that know her far better than me, I have to concede maybe I'm just misreading. Like, Katsuki, GreyICE, and Alisae all seem VERY confident and uh, I don't really think any of them are scum. So yeah I'm bowing to their reads somewhat. Deep down, I would really like to think that LLD doesn't use this kind of AtE as scum—just because of the way I like to play—but several people have said that what's transpired is in no way AI.

So!

I give up. I do not have the emotional energy to fight an IC with a fake guilty.

At the very least this lynch might provide a little information on slots like Ari and jjh.

At least he's sticking to the townread in principle.
bolded seems good 2 me.

Krazy

- Scum. I was only leaning scum until he posted his most recent read list.

Up until #2661, Krazy had only mentioned a clear stance on one player: Menalque. 2.5k posts into the game he finally shares more than one read. Like, I get not being around because busy or whatever. But the stuff Krazy did do is not what I'd expect an inactive Krazy town to do. There is no substance to any of his posts, even the two that talk about Menalque. Half of them are sort of mechanical based questions/spec, which I know is a comfort spot for Krazy, but again, nothing of actual substance there. He just dances around, "oh I guess Pine coulda picked x, oh but Jingle coulda too." Krazy is a strong town player, his posts should not be this shit.

I also don't believe he really scum reads me.

I kinda think Dann actually is an above average equity pick also because of Vengeful Ghosts; he had a night 1 save as a doctor (even though, as far as I know, Pine completely forgot this occurred halfway through the game--so your mileage may vary here). Still Dann and Duck kinda saved the game in the dead thread with him so I think Dann and Duck both have pretty decent pick equity.

This is sorta an example of everything I talked about above. It's this waffling half mechanical based read that actually says nothing.

1. Why does my play as

town

in Vengeful Ghosts affect my chances of getting drafted by Pine. Same goes for Duck. What he's saying doesn't really make any sense here. He's pulling meta and mechanical reasons to assign a plausible scum read to myself to avoid interacting with the actual game. The worst part is is that the meta and mechanical reasons don't actually make sense. I played one game with Pine, barely interacted with him, and was town.

2. There's this weird waffling tone that I feel like is present in a lot of Krazy's posts this game. Like the phrase "Pine completely forgot this occurred halfway through the game---so your mileage may vary here." I don't recall town Krazy being this noncommittal. It's present in his posts about Mena, see "It's not impossible I'm wrong on Mena," in post #1925. It's just this weird timid cautiousness that I do not usually associate with Krazy. Maybe it can be ascribed to his lack of presence, but it doesn't feel town to me.

pedit: also bahahaha this whole "ooh how does fruit work let me bargain for it" the past 10 posts is so fucking fake

assuming that this is a reasonable & fair portrayal of krazy's actions to this point, i have no problem with this. it's a decently thought out group of points and in theory i agree. i'm having some de ja vous about feeling this way about someone casing my predecessor and myself receiving scumreads for it. i can only call em like i see em tho and so far i'm good. i will do the full iso though, because scum often can't maintain their strong starts and seeing that is kind of the strength a lategame replacement can bring without a burden of thinking through such a lens for weeks.

PenguinPower

- Not a super solid read—idk if I'll ever have a solid read on the lurkers—but I think town based off his interactions with FF and some genuine attempts to jam and sort. Feels town but I'm wary if he maintains the same level of not-doing-anything tomorrow.

when on earth did this happen

xofelf

- Lean scum. Nothing impressive in the ISO. I would say more likely to be scum if LLD flips scum. This is basically the opposite case of Aristophanes. While Ari's defense of LLD is not how I'd expect scum to defend scum at all, xofelf's pop in is exactly how I'd expect scum to try to defend scum. If LLD flips town this is probably closer to null.

this is unadulterated nonsense. no chance LLD enters the game trying to ram her buddy's lynch given her stated views on whether she should make endgame and her natural nonlongevity - to add on top of the more obvious "this would be a weird move from anybody." confused how anyone could genuinely get here.

also look for scum who were anti bus d1 first because no person 1) active and 2) trying to solve the game would have believed LLD was anything but scum

hello it's me the person who thought LLD was town

decidedly not the only person, though. i'm not sure what to make of this, but it's clearly noteworthy. why draw attention to yourself? but is it guilt indicative to feel like others' defenses were not as significant as one's own?
i am guessing TW will not stand by his post here (nor should he, it's silly)

I'm still 100% down for a Krazy lynch

his posts at the end of D1 were disgusting

Which of my posts specifically were "disgusting"?

These ones:

oh ok dann is scum

Gamma's also scum lol

this game

Yeah except you've literally only ever pushed me when you're scum, Gamma

pedit: also bahahaha this whole "ooh how does fruit work let me bargain for it" the past 10 posts is so fucking fake

town Dann never writes this lol

The OMGUS reaction was extreme and you refused to engage with me beyond that

yeah i think this is just observant
those posts are pretty lame

ftr the worst, posts #1024 and #1059 were the main ones that pinged me wrong to me

like to me it feels you're TMIing town!menalque a little here because you're scum reading him, explaining that scum read to him, and then explaining what Ank is doing and appealing him to reconsider because you feel like he's just voting out of frustration. That second post doesn't really gel with the first. It feels like you forgot you were scum reading him and wanted to get town points for being a mediator. phrasing like "could you have another look at this" is what struck me as LAMISTy.

um later you also had a transition from fence sitting on LLD and then immediately voting jjh which bothered me a little because it felt fake but that didn't ping me as hard

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However, I have been thinking about what you said about differences between your play here and Undertale. idk what it was that struck you but what struck me is your lack of attention to relationships within the context of the game. In Undertale, I think you were deliberately trying to pocket me and probably other slots throughout the game. You paid a lot of attention to how you were perceived and definitely played that to make sure people were town reading you, or at least I felt like you did that to me. Here, I don't see you doing that. Obviously, it's harder to keep up with such things when you have less overall presence, but I'm even seeing the exact opposite—see your spat with Former Fish. While the above posts I pointed out do still stand out to me, it also doesn't read like you're trying pocket Menalque or Ank or anyone.

You also are very clearly not very concerned with the reads on you.

So idk I think I just came around to town read on you

this is my favorite post in the iso so far. i see a lot of town thought process here.
i'm a sucker for this type of post i think. starting a post in one place and winding up at a different one by the end of it is very sexy (bc it's not something that naturally sprouts from having an agenda). obviously good scum can do this kind of thing and the agenda is to make themselves look town but i can doubt anything like that

end of iso page 1, currently at a townread

[Cephrir]

i guess i was thinking if scum were talking to each other then someone would have said "LLD" but i guess they would have said that in the thread too so
yeah i'm bad i guess

[Cephrir]

like to me LL kinda just looks like a typo

i thought he did it twice but sure

also i finished iso pg 2 and saw nothing i felt compelled to comment on; still seeing town

[Cephrir]

im rereading Krazy's iso in merchant's dance right now and

I was expecting to be able to case him off that

but it's actually way more similar than I thought

In post 538, Dannflor wrote:
Also Krazy just posted two big posts again (about specific players in the game and not mechanics) with 0 reads

One of them was explaining why I don't want to form a read of a player before they have posted lol

Also, I feel like my 'early reads' last time hurt more than helped; while they may have made me townread, I didn't feel like they helped town naturally sort the player list, so I'm trying to be a little bit less pushy on my reads early on this time tbh

I even scum read him for similar reasons I started scum reading him here for

basically idk why but my memory of that game was warped and the tone matches too

what scum posts this

[Cephrir]

i want in

Something_Smart
Wooper

Gamma Emerald
MariaR
Firebringer

Pinkball

Menalque
Iconeum

Krazy
PenguinPower

penguin migrated down here extremely uneventfully

[Cephrir]

we do not negotiate with scumlords

[Cephrir]

i finished the iso and there were some posts in the 400-500 range i could have quoted and called town but i did not feel like it

[Cephrir]

oh can it not hurt you if you don't use it
whatever then

[Cephrir]

scaring?

[Cephrir]

...And we believe him why?

[Cephrir]

he said that long before it randed

who cares?

[Cephrir]

i literally don't even understand why anyone would act based on anything pine said.

[Cephrir]

in fact, why even read his posts, other than for possible humor value?

[Cephrir]

i am thinking of doing icon next because he has the fewest posts and i saw one post of his during dann iso that i didn't like

[Cephrir]

like Krazy and Dann whenever they danced around each other, were always around to dance around each other. Whenever they danced with each other, it was always them interacting with each other in live time.

i guess you don't need to interact with me on this if you don't feel like it, but i want to push on it a little and see if it is made of anything solid. why is that theater indicative?

[Cephrir]

like Krazy and Dann whenever they danced around each other, were always around to dance around each other. Whenever they danced with each other, it was always them interacting with each other in live time.

i guess you don't need to interact with me on this if you don't feel like it, but i want to push on it a little and see if it is made of anything solid. why is that theater indicative?

they never tore into each other until literally lylo
then they had a big public battle over really stupid reasons and called each other scum!!! then when i tried to interact with both of them 1) dann said krazy should just talk to me instead, 2) krazy noped out...there wasn't really much depth or integrity from either of them but firmly less from krazy than from dann

i can't decide whether it's theatre for sure but i think krazy played a scumgame wrt his handling of dann's slot

that makes more sense

[Cephrir]

i am thinking of doing icon next because he has the fewest posts and i saw one post of his during dann iso that i didn't like

I also made a case for how penguin and ico make sense as a team.

what, because they both lurked?

i may be interested in reading this but not before i do any isoing i'm going to do

[Cephrir]

i did not see penguin pushing ico in his posts that i just read

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Ico

It’s not like a “heavy push”

But like here is the vote

wow that's so impressive definitely a bus 500% for sure

[Cephrir]

i feel bad about sassing you warmpup im sorry

[Cephrir]

usually, i guess

[Cephrir]

sass me instead if you need to relieve some stress ceph

say something else as dumb as your question marks comment and i'll have more material!

[Cephrir]

i liked ico's first few posts but i think we maybe have a case here of someone who couldn't keep up the townbeams. i am not bothering to annotate the first few posts, which were broadly good.

I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.

However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lol

I think it's pretty noteworthy that ico spends way more effort on defending LLD than, like, the game. it's only a few posts, but it's also the sum total of all the effort he put in at that point.

Yeah no I just don't see LLD as scum. I know i'm far from the best player in this game but i'm here and I stick to my gut now.

Most of the votes on LLD are literally 'you claim commuter? SCUMMMMM'

How easy is it for actual scum to follow that, huh? I bet Pine is laughing his ass off in his little forest right now

ok i haven't read the LLD wagon but i doubt this is an accurate representation of it
last line is scaremongery

IconWhats town about a full unrestricted commuter?And why do you give it to a hot head, who isn’t always super obvtown, doesn’t have the best reads, but is strong when it comes to game sense?Why do you give a super powerscum scum player a full commuter when they’re town? Especially since Jingle is townsiding here.

Ali that's my point! It's not really a towny claim. It's just not. But she claimed it anyway, while far away from being lynched.

LLD. Claimed. A. Role. That. Would. Draw. Attention.

Why would scum!LLD do that?

at the risk of upsetting duckboy:
????????????????

"It's not a towny claim, which makes it a towny claim" is pretty far out there. So is the idea that LLD is scared of attention. And you don't need to know her to think that. Her posts in this game are clearly not from someone who doesn't like the limelight. But hmm, maybe you're the type of scum play who doesn't like attention and that's why you lurk, eh?

Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it

It's one thing to call it out, but not follow through on this with actions is bad

Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it

uhhhh I need to reread Maria?

weirdly fencesitty post for her and not a good look especially if Krazy flips town here

I agree with this

Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it

uhhhh I need to reread Maria?

weirdly fencesitty post for her and not a good look especially if Krazy flips town here

I don't need to make fencesitty posts as scum when I can get out of any read based on that logic. If this is how you feel the correct way to play it would be to wait until after the flip and then ask me.

So, why does scum me fence sit here? Because to me this feels setupish

Not if ur not voting there. You are saying x-flip is good and will provide information but you take no action to further what you are saying. And the first person who calls you out on this you instantly call 'setupish'. Overdefensive.

"overdefensive" is always a fun scum tack. i don't use the textbook often, but i think that one's fairly well documented

Firebringer if I get lynched and I ask you to please not govern would you not govern because I'm town and I asked?

This feels fake. Presenting yourself as a self-sacrifice without being at risk yet is easy.

This is the one I saw in the dann iso. This is a very poor representation of what pops posted. Like, insultingly bad. But it's a stretch to create a case, I think, because the whole case is steaming ass.

VOTE: the worst

"I'm not townreading pops" grossed me out a bit

Weaksauce. This vote came right after Ali called out to lynch the worst, too.

All of the wagons approved by Fire are on high contention reads.

I think we should just ignore the governor, and if Fire uses it we just lynch him the next day.

Fire regularly plays against win condition. That is just how he plays. I would be more likely to invite him to a birthday party than a game of mafia, I'll say that. No matter how much you hate it, it's not scum indicative for him to scumside. You have to figure out other ways to read him, like the actual flavor of his antics, in this case I think scum!fire would give a narrower pool of allowed lynches, this fire doesn't seem to know people's role pms. Threatening to lynch him will do nothing whatsoever to disincentivize his use of the governor as either alignment. Actually if he didn't use the governor it'd probably be better to lynch him.
Fire killed himself as mafia in a game of dance mafia once. He'll do anything.
Sometimes, possibly usually, you can't afford an extra mislynch just to punish bad behavior. I either won SC legacy of the void mafia or won it ahead of schedule because I convinced the town not to lynch a townie who had fake an innocent result on an unconfirmed player who turned out to be scum. That's absolutely disgusting play that "deserves" three lynches but it wasn't to my wincon to mislynch a townie for vindication.

mother of shades?

chennisden is not only not meeting his own hyperpost meta (he probably is, it's just in the PT, I know from Undertale Mafia he loves having a PT), the quality of his posts is way lower. This is not town chennis.

VOTE: chennisden

I don't know where the non-vanity wagons are right now


chennisden shouldn't be a vanity wagon though.

Literally all over the place, hoping one of these wagons draws enough attention away from him is how I read all of this.

VOTE: pops

this case sucks. this case is why people say cases are scummy. it's like, whole cloth fabrication of a read from innocuous posts.

okay before i *try* to answer that, I can shoot this back at you

why does scum!dragon, who had a townread on you and was not active enough to deserve a townread himself this game, come out of the gates D4 'to hop on worst wagon'.
There are alternatives, hell there's even no need for scum to be on a wagon right now or any day soon. Do you think I didn't realize what I could bring upon myself by posting that?

what is my scum motivation in doing so?

i'm gonna get myself in trouble here because i use the "what's my scum motivation" line as both but i think it's commonly a scum line from people who aren't me
heres a big secret about mafia: sometimes scum post things for no reason

name a thing chennisden did.

posted and squirmed a lot

name a thing spyconeum did that's towny

VOTE: mastina

I think he's tryna post stuff which looks good > is good

his push on me early this phase was intensely bad faithy and he kinda weaseled out of going into any kind of depth about his read/progression

i did full disclosure tho :s

okay so this post gave me a wtf, but...

name a thing chennisden did.

posted and squirmed a lot

name a thing spyconeum did that's towny

VOTE: mastina

Could you explaint he difference between this and a naked vote?

The one push that I felt comfortable with and attempted blew up in my face
I got a message with a vote suggestion
This is fine

this makes it a lot better. i like this post a fair amount, actually. maybe he predicted that he was going to get called out for his weird vote and planned to only out that he was asked to at that time in order to look town, but i consider this a point in favor of ico.

Spoiler:

Also was I told to watch Elsa because she was a mason or what

Yeah avtually one sec, that actually seems meaningful

Okay so it seems Elsa's kill flavor differs from Nacho's somewhay so I doubt any commonality in those kills. Also

Funny how people keep trusting things that come from scum.

Yeah I think had I read the day first my question would have been meaningless. There's no way Pine is operating for any good here, and though I distrusted Alisae for a moment I refuse to believe both stumps would be scum. Now I'm very curious about what drawbacks other fruits incur if those have such grave consequences.

The four names were SS, Krazy, Iconeum and pops.

Also if this is true we have a 50/50 between Krazy and Ico
I need to check something now

Lady Lambdadelta (13): the worst, Katsuki, Krazy, Formerfish, MariaR,

Titus, Jjh927

,

Gamma Emerald

,

GreyICE

, Firebringer, Dannflor,

ankamius, popsofctown

If this is a bus what spots did scum take on it? It seems the back is rather clear of scum, so they seem to be theoretically frontloaded.

Alright then, who are all the people who voted LLD? Whilst I do want to make a difference I need to avoid expending time on outsourcable tasks

A lot more effort to sort, and genuine feeling in this.

idk what this is in response to, but i cannot for the life of me find "genuine feeling" in any of these gamma posts.

what does scum!kats have to gain from that claim?

placeholder for ico's obsession with kats claim- he spends a remarkable amount of energy (compared to his overall low energy for the game) on this without ever pushing more than mildly for kats to be lynched. not a fan

I think pp's claim would fit a scumteam. FB seems content with the current gamestate and is posting to just be here?

Not the best cases or anything, but it's what I think. All based on my readthrough from today.

fb this is like the only mention of PP i saw what are you talking about.

@ what's left of Pine's scumteam: I can feel you circling around me, looking at me like i'm a mislynch. Let me tell you right here and now that's not gonna happen

talking a big talk is easy friend but when you gonna show up?

[Cephrir]

ali this dude's upgraded from multiple question marks to emojis
why the fuck are we lynching elsewhere

[Cephrir]

ah yes Cephir sass
the best kind of sass

thank u it's important to me to be loved even while u want to murder me

[Cephrir]

usually, i guess

And iconeum has fried back with scumreads on people who voted him already in this game.

I am the example of this.

But penguin is doing nothing and Iconeum completely ignores the vote?!

In what world do you do that as town unless you just completely missed the vote

this may be valid

[Cephrir]

ok thats probably most of the effort i have in me today im gonna go self actualize

[Cephrir]

whatever my input counts for i wld like to have you do someone i didn't just do so then i can develop an opinion on them without reading all their posts

[Cephrir]

that's why i said whatever my input counts for

[Cephrir]

i wish gamma had discernibly alignment told. he hasn't...like, done anything of much substance in such a long time and it's super frustrating.

this feels weird but looking back at krazy's posting previous to lylo i actually can kinda jam with a townread of him. i just think it's super vexing i asked ico to towncase three townreads, he presented to heavily towncase the one i was the last interested in, then give really sketchy summary reads on the ones i'm actually worried ico could be scum with.

ico's krazy case also feels closer to tmi than scum defending scum (probably closer to t!ico/s!krazy than s/s), like he's intentionally just casually hopped over the bits of krazy's and ceph's posting which had me worried and done the

he's just town duuuuuddddeeee

argument

someone please bounce this back to me - i think ico is actually scum here

It's definitely noteworthy. I think I dont care for where icons chose to focus, but at the same time I can see town glimmers in the way he posted a read list and then more or less let you destroy it and disagreed with himself, since scum like to be consistent
Also if I'm honest I like that hes managed to make you reconsider the mislynch on me, since town or scum hes most likely right that scum need a mislynch of my slot to win
I still think hes scum on balance but I think I net come out liking this sequence from someone who's disengaged

[Cephrir]

in fact, why even read his posts, other than for possible humor value?

Spew/antispew? It's actually pretty relevant to the game?
Why do you think it's so foolish to read what Pine says?

I think theres a huge difference here. With a regular scum, they're trying to look town and have to survive, and as a result they may give up awkward interactions and such in the effort.
Pine has no goal other than to play mind games with us. If he didnt think a post would ultimately advance scum wincon, he would not make the post. I dont believe anyone can confidently say they can get anything useful from someone like that. At best it's a coin flip whether your mind games are better than pine's, but we can't influence him while he can influence us. more likely he will manage to get some insidious thoughts into our heads even if we read them with skepticism. Seeds of wrong ideas and paranoia.
Also I would absolutely say this if I were scum too, i dont give false opinions on theory unless i have to

[Cephrir]

In what world does Cephrir not give his honest opinion on whether it's a good idea to listen to Pine?

It can be his honest opinion but something about his adamance strikes me as wrong.

Ur welcome to ur opinion but from a theory POV I think this is extremely cut and dry

[Cephrir]

It can be his honest opinion but something about his adamance strikes me as wrong.

Do you know what about it feels wrong?

It seems like even if that is his honest belief, he is presenting it in a way that seems more based towards influencing others than expressing his own practice.

Yeah straight up I dont think you guys should either
If someone pulls out vca you can expect me to have a similar reaction - I will shame them for using it and try to convince everyone not to listen to them

It's a lot easier to have strong opinions about theory because the are no unknown variables

[Cephrir]

As for reads I'm not confident about any scumreads, Cephrir and Dann are kinda where my thoughts are leading though

My thoughts on theory turned your townread into a scumread?

Surely my other actions and Krazy's should be forming the basis of a read. :/

[Cephrir]

thank u for your nuanced approach and refreshingly protown mindset

[Cephrir]

once upon a time i modded the largest game on site.

i should've known the inflation would continue.

[Cephrir]

Warthogs don't support this lynch. Which I guess will make you want it more.

[Cephrir]

There isnt one
Hes town

[Cephrir]

I should VOTE: iconeum

I havent read everyone but I know this is probably scum and that's sufficient

[Cephrir]

I read his posts and made a wall about it and I believes hes scum. I dont need an exhaustive tier list of everyone to take action.

If that doesnt answer your question then pls be more specific

[Cephrir]

dann!flip

yall have taken abusing this!formatting to another level

[Cephrir]

is there something compelling going on here in context or what

i dont get how anyone can read this slot's posts and think it's scum but it's somehow not controversial that it is

[Cephrir]

If we win you should have a pretend day phase where we lynch pine

Itd be like a jrpg ending

[Cephrir]

I want to write a paragraph about friendship and strike the tree down in the name of our fallen comrades

[Cephrir]

If we win you should have a pretend day phase where we lynch pine

Itd be like a jrpg ending

what if scum win

Wont happen as long as we believe in ourselves

[Cephrir]

Like, anyone can just look at Firebringer's posts today and see that he's openwolfing. He's not trying to hide that.
His reads are what they are because they fit a certain agenda.

I guess I'm stupid then because I think hes town

Maybe ur the one scumsiding here eh

[Cephrir]

Can you explain why it's impossible for these 2 slots to be s/s to me?

[Cephrir]

I should note I'm uneasy about the way we are excluding mena/Maria from suspicion. In part I guess because I dont know the reason. Sheer probability says one of those could easily be wrong. Dont smoke meta, kids.

[Cephrir]

look at me i am dominating the thread

[Cephrir]

check this scum agenda out

[Cephrir]

I will not and your framing of the issue is disingenuous.

[Cephrir]

it's not like anyone listens to dead players' reads anyway c:

[Cephrir]

i feel like no one read my post on him >:

[Cephrir]

Hi I'm here I'm just not paying attention.

It's very hard to not try to read into the above posts too much but I'm trying my best

If were even remotely on the right track, though, I guess I'll say my first inclination is that menalque might be town on account of how if this were a scum gambit they'd probably try to rehabilitate a slot that's doing badly rather than shore up someone who's not in danger?

Its wifom all the way down, though.

From what ive seen of the game I'm not especially keen on lynching fb anyway.

[Cephrir]

I think the initial message is probably indicative of dann!scum, and I still think that's probably the right lynch for today. I think dann was probably going down today anyway, so if I'd immediately publicised the message, the scum who was getting lynched... gets lynched anyway. I think the main WIFOM in it is whether pine would give a scum alternative, or a town alternative for me to lead the counter wagon on.

But yeah, that's also not the most interesting thing. The most interesting thing, and the most valuable source of potential information here, is to look at what the movements where in votes/positions in response to my case(s).

This is a good think

[Cephrir]

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer

sound good?

Literally could not pick 3 worse lynches

No one has offered me one solitary reason to think dann is scum. Why are you pushing it? Can you not ignore me just because you think I'm scum? You need to give me the opportunity to show you otherwise because we are not in a good enough spot to just lynch whoever.

[Cephrir]

I guess this pine thing is a reason to suspect dann but that's all I got and pine based reads are worthless so ??????

[Cephrir]

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer

sound good?

Literally could not pick 3 worse lynches

No one has offered me one solitary reason to think dann is scum. Why are you pushing it? Can you not ignore me just because you think I'm scum? You need to give me the opportunity to show you otherwise because we are not in a good enough spot to just lynch whoever.

D4 ICONEUM PUSH BAD

I guess that doesnt convince me when I think iconeum is scum

I also dont even remember it but i guess i can look again

[Cephrir]

@Jingle,

could the fruits be exclusively bargained via PM? Or must the bargains be public

I asked this and he said he couldn't clarify.

Me: jingle can you confirm here that this would be mechanically permitted? i.e. the offer of fruit here is something allowed without bargaining in game?

jingle: I cannot.

Me: can you confirm that it would not be permitted? as in, explicitly runs against the way fruit works in the game

jingle: I cannot.

Me: You know, I had a feeling you'd say that

also, just ftr between a player and a mod, I'm not actually going for it

I'm gonna pretend that I'm going for it to see who backs my push or (as I suspect is pine's idea) tries to argue that my push is scummy and comes after me, then out the message to Ali

jingle: I cannot.

I really like this coming up organically

[Cephrir]

I do not think that

[Cephrir]

I am town reading dann pretty hard and you a good bit as well now so I obviously dont think you're scum together

[Cephrir]

cephrir i think ur townreading all but 3 players, unless i am wrong. Is there someone ur paranoid of in ur townreads? Because it looks like a scum has to be in ur townreads here.

I have not eliminated Maria from suspicion

[Cephrir]

Fire either you're on fire lately or my feelings about mafia have shifted to the point where I think trolling is adorable instead of annoying

Point is I enjoy your posts

[Cephrir]

WAIT A MINUTE
ARE YOU SAYING YOU LIKE SEEING HIM BULLY ME

Someone has to stand up for poor defenseless warthogs

Its counterbullying

[Cephrir]

Gamma you should join us on icon, then the whole scumteam can be on the same wagon. itll totally mess up their vca later.

[Cephrir]

Voldemort was right

[Cephrir]

Goodbye warmpup

I'm sad that I wont get to shitpost with you in the afterlife because my lynch will end the game

[Cephrir]

Super hype for tomorrow tho when we go "hey ceph had this one right let's keep not listening to him"

[Cephrir]

Cephir made a horrible case for Icon

it's good wtf

[Cephrir]

Ceph's case is scummier than Ico's ass is towny

literally wtf

im doing my best here but if yall are gonna be like this then i cant drag you to a win

[Cephrir]

Cephir doesn’t post cringe to push his scumbuddy like that.

this is more offensive than just being called wrong :/

[Cephrir]

i wanted to come in and try today and force you guys to win and win the best replacement scummy but if i'm just going to get quoted with lolurscum and called cringe when i try then fuck you

[Cephrir]

i would have to reread to get serious ones but off the top of my head they're both scum

[Cephrir]

just the isos ive posted about

im not motivated to read the rest just to be told i suck some more

[Cephrir]

im surprised it's the guy who hated my predecessor's guts who's giving me the time of day

honestly, i don't really care what my predecessor thought. sure, i know his push came from town, but the part of it i read didn't seem grounded in logic.

town aligned players are deeply wrong all the time! surely you know this. the inability of town to reevaluate is a huge flaw that contributes to probably a majority of scum wins (including this one). i think part of the power of lategame town replacements is that we're less tainted by having been in the game and can see more clearly at times than someone who's been enduring the drudgery for a long time. they get tired. apparently tired enough to replace out in this case!

[Cephrir]

Ceph is AtEing

how do you expect people to respond when you tell them they're garbage

[Cephrir]

sry i didn't mean literally hated i mean in game context^

it's genuinely hard to want to solve anything while the lord of town is dumping on you. why should i work to help this person who's insulting me? i'm not 50000 pages worth of invested in this game. if ali would rather lose than read my posts, e is welcome to lose

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Cephrir]

yes, i too am running town.exe. i am in no way a killer robot.

[Cephrir]

great job, dannflor, pink ball, dannflor, dannflor, pine, iconeum, pp, lld, krazy, dannflor, dannflor, dannflor, dannflor and dannflor!

[Cephrir]

Who is your new avi gamma?

our goddess and savior ciera "she voted out her mom" eastin