Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Alisae]

Wooper u decide the lynch

[Alisae]

I can’t deal with the pressure of deciding lynches

Tell us your PoE and we will decide unless I'm in your PoE in which case we should never listen Ali guys

ge fire dann ceph

[Alisae]

I can’t deal with the pressure of deciding lynches

Tell us your PoE and we will decide unless I'm in your PoE in which case we should never listen Ali guys

ge fire dann ceph

maybe has 2 scum in it.

[Alisae]

bargain: informed

[Alisae]

I promise to post nothing but lies for the rest of the game if you give me informed

lul

[Alisae]

Ok mena
Give pine ur vote

[Alisae]

You should be able to pop the fruit during twilight and immediately out what it tells you.

[Alisae]

I mean
This says any time

Today’s first fruit will grant the consumer a 1-shot ability, able to activate at any time, to become Informed. They will have a significant aspect of the setup revealed to them.

This shot must be used before the next daystart after it is received.

This is the image associated with the fruit:

You may begin bargaining now...

[Alisae]

Do it u won’t

[Alisae]

Hell, just give it out for free
Do it, you won’t

[Alisae]

How about give me free fruit :3

[Alisae]

Imagine not giving out free fruit

[Alisae]

Wow rude

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Oh wait

[Alisae]

What if the information was that pine can only give fruit to scum once.
That’da be wack

[Alisae]

Yo Pine instead of giving the fruit, you should out what exactly the fruit informs the user of.

[Alisae]

Question
How do I meet people

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

pretty sure Ico doesn't make sense as scum with Fire since I'm pretty sure Ico is being suggested as a mislynch but scum

Who was suggesting Ico lynch besides me?

tons of people
Dann
Fire
There’s more but those are the 2 I really remember off the top of my head

[Alisae]

Oh yeah Cephir also made a post that said he scumread Ico

[Alisae]

VOTE: Dann

[Alisae]

Let’s just vote Dann ig

[Alisae]

Trees are cool with it

take mena’s deal and vote it then
Do it u won’t

[Alisae]

does that mean ur giving the fruit out for free?

[Alisae]

im following wooper around

[Alisae]

the fact that we want this to be a fair game and thats not fun for anyone?

[Alisae]

and I mean
clearly they're not all deathproof godfather roleblocker strongmen

[Alisae]

there's a tracker fruit?

[Alisae]

okay boring fruits lets lynch

[Alisae]

what is he doing?

[Alisae]

ok but u are town no?

[Alisae]

that was to pinky boi

[Alisae]

ok but u are town no?

That's not the point, I don't want Pine to mess up with my slot

imagine reading pine's posts

[Alisae]

jeez you're so worried about how your slot appears and looks like
aren't you like, a tracker?
what are you so hung up about?

[Alisae]

pretty sure no one has actually put a PGO in their game since I've been on MS.

[Alisae]

like that role doesn't really exist in the theme meta
like how full commuters, also really don't exist in the theme meta.

[Alisae]

Ali can you tell me why we’re doing dann not ceph?

Answer: They're both scum

[Alisae]

no

[Alisae]

icon isn't even a remotely helpful flip
he flips town and then what, we're back at teh same place we started
he flips scum and honestly, that flip doesn't help us figure out what's going on

[Alisae]

the best play to figure out icon's alignment is to flip the slots around icon
dann and fire are exceptionally good lynches for this, especially Dann

[Alisae]

town dann!flip?
Okay, maybe Icon is worth considering.
scum dann!flip?
guess Icon is cleared

[Alisae]

I would like to lynch something now

[Alisae]

dann!flip

yall have taken abusing this!formatting to another level

ty for your kind words

[Alisae]

am i and wooper the only ones nodding their heads and going "yep yep, thats theater"

[Alisae]

If we win you should have a pretend day phase where we lynch pine

Itd be like a jrpg ending

what if scum win

[Alisae]

I feel like pine was yelling at gamma and iconeum to be more active and this why they are both more present in this day.

okay but why would he yell at iconeum I'm not suspecting him at all actually

[Alisae]

Wooper stop talking to scum

[Alisae]

you're letting scum!Fire poison your mind, like, is Fire and Icon both suddenly town now?
that would mean Dann would suddenly be town too right? He's not bussing Icon with u D4, that play makes no sense.

[Alisae]

Like Firebringer's solve actually makes no sense
Dann's Icon push on D4 makes no sense if they are both scum together that's not a bus!
Dann is scum pushing town!Icon

[Alisae]

like this is scum trying to mislynch a townie my wooperling!

VOTE: Iconeum

In post 8558, the worst wrote:
PB i am starting to find it legitimately hilarious that you pop up within half an hour of people shading you

it's past like a lame beetlejuicing tell now it's actually fate


Yeah this is a really towny shading post, Ali.

you're literally looking for things to fit your narrative

I didn't like duck's flip on mastina either but this post isn't scummy and isn't shading

Ico is doing the thing where he catches up by commenting on lots of irrelevant different post to look like he's being active and sorting

but really everything he's doing is just busywork so he can vote where he wants to vote—the worst

his day 2 and 3 catchups aren't town catchups

actually
VOTE: iconeum

i'll bite that pop-in was wolfy af

how is you considering PB for scum based on

timing

not scum?

He literally just said it was funny

he said it wasn't a scum tell even

Town catch up posts don't look like Ico's. He's going down the list and commenting on irrelevant things going "I like this," "I don't like this," and asking empty questions. Town catch up posts actually draw conclusions that aren't as forced as his read on the worst are.

Ico, where are the rest of your reads at right now? Just basic scum reads and town reads you don't have to go into everyone

PB i am starting to find it legitimately hilarious that you pop up within half an hour of people shading you

it's past like a lame beetlejuicing tell now it's actually fate

okay so it's not calling him scum directly but it's still shading based on timing

it's not legitimate shading and it's a stretch to read it like that

SS
Gamma

duck

grey (that dude that is married with LLD?)
Titus

These 5 are my top townreads

I don't believe what you got from this day alone was enough to change one of your apparent top town reads.

[Alisae]

Can we lynch already?
The more the day goes on the more scum are just going to keep talking and talking and talking and dominating the thread

[Alisae]

fire vote dann
its in your reads
you should be voting it

[Alisae]

oh wait that's right you're scum!
You have to protect Dannflor for some reason, so you won't vote him!
nononono, you can't vote your scumbuddy.
Even though its been established that if Dann is scum then Icon is likely town, you can't vote Dannflor
nonono, because you have to try to mislynch Iconeum today!

[Alisae]

fire vote dann
its in your reads
you should be voting it

no, go fuck yourself.

you're scum

[Alisae]

@Jingle to everyone

vote Dann
I'm done with this day.

[Alisae]

Yes actually.

[Alisae]

I mean we have different wincons so its whatever

[Alisae]

because other flips resolve that slot's alignment

[Alisae]

Like we get it
your reads are unnatural and you aren't really open minded and considering any new information.
we get it
you're scum

you can kick and scream as much as you want about it.
You thought that town was going to just kill itself so you decided to not really do anything for days 1-5.
Day 3, you forced town to lynch in your poe but did you care about who specifically you were trying to lynch?
No.
Did you care about what was going on?
No.
You were just watching the chaos unfold
That's literally all you were doing D3.

D1, D2, D4, and D5, you didn't really do anything

but now that we're out of LyLo, you realized just how fucked your slot is and you realize how fucked your team is, so you need to steer a lynch that is specifically outside of my PoE.
And keep in mind, I'm pretty picky about the last few flips.
I wanted Penguin's flip because I knew that could buy me a night and I could get this game out of LyLo if I had the safest lynch possible.
I want Dann's flip because it resolves Iconeum.

You can't have that slot cleared and you need that slot (Iconeum) dead.
Iconeum's lynch is actually the worst case scenario, and you are trying to drive that.

Like, its blatantly obvious to me that thats a mislynch, and you still want it.

You're just scum dude.

[Alisae]

literally, a dannyboi scum!flip wouldn't clear Iconeum, and a iconeum scum!flip wouldn't clear dannyboi.

No idea where in ur head u got that idea but I suggest you lobotomize it because its fucking useless.

because I know how bussing actually works?

[Alisae]

Like, anyone can just look at Firebringer's posts today and see that he's openwolfing. He's not trying to hide that.
His reads are what they are because they fit a certain agenda.

[Alisae]

literally, a dannyboi scum!flip wouldn't clear Iconeum, and a iconeum scum!flip wouldn't clear dannyboi.

No idea where in ur head u got that idea but I suggest you lobotomize it because its fucking useless.

because I know how bussing actually works?

apparently not noob

well the gamestate says "no fuck you that's not a bus"

[Alisae]

literally, a dannyboi scum!flip wouldn't clear Iconeum, and a iconeum scum!flip wouldn't clear dannyboi.

No idea where in ur head u got that idea but I suggest you lobotomize it because its fucking useless.

because I know how bussing actually works?

apparently not noob

well the gamestate says "no fuck you that's not a bus"

you couldn't read a game state if your life depended on it. L2p

you couldn't lead a lynch on scum if your life depended on it. L2p

[Alisae]

No u

[Alisae]

Nope, you are nitpicking and biased, I win bye bye, turn off the mafia game now

[Alisae]

I was telling Jingle to turn it off since you know, I won

[Alisae]

Wish it was better

[Alisae]

How about you

[Alisae]

How’s your diet?

[Alisae]

Like are you eating properly?

[Alisae]

Aliens

[Alisae]

ALLENS

[Alisae]

Fire

[Alisae]

We dont need no water let the motherfucka burn

[Alisae]

I've been confident in this read since d4 my guy

[Alisae]

I'll hear you out on pb scum

[Alisae]

I'll read ur stuff later, but i don't want to lunch pb atm because we honestly have so many better lynched. Fire, ceph, damn all seem way better atm

[Alisae]

Come to America

[Alisae]

We have super Mario brothers 2 baybeee

[Alisae]

I mean sure but we’re prolonging the inevitable
VOTE: Firebringer

[Alisae]

Are you actually deluded enough to think that your play has been even vaguely decent if you’re town?

notice how interacting with firebringer is a waste of time

[Alisae]

It is because you’re not exactly proving anything we don’t already know

[Alisae]

Oh boy

[Alisae]

can you give these fruits for free?

[Alisae]

plz gib fruit for free

[Alisae]

VOTE: Pink Ball
I actually want this rn

no

[Alisae]

VOTE: Pink Ball
I actually want this rn

no

It sizzled out so fast I want to reignite it

no

[Alisae]

uhhh I thought I saw something about it but didn’t know how hard it was, I’ve skimmed most of the day

Gamma I haven’t read wrong so far and I feel like tonally he is just very town, more so than Menalque

I haven’t played with Mena!scum, is his meta pretty distinct? Expand on what broken scum tonality means?

I ctrl + F fire and didn't see anything for him in ur post at all

[Alisae]

uhhh I thought I saw something about it but didn’t know how hard it was, I’ve skimmed most of the day

Gamma I haven’t read wrong so far and I feel like tonally he is just very town, more so than Menalque

I haven’t played with Mena!scum, is his meta pretty distinct? Expand on what broken scum tonality means?

I ctrl + F fire and didn't see anything for him in ur post at all

[Alisae]

@Jingle people need prods

[Alisae]

“Wouldn’t allow that to happen”
Lol ok

[Alisae]

not like I am one to talk, but I am not listening to alisae on lynch order or any of this bs.

This is a D3 quote
Before the governor fruit was offered

Hey, anyone know who also said something along the line of this?

[Alisae]

People don't need to obey Alisae btw.

You can think for yourselves.


Leashing me for one day makes the most sense here.

[Alisae]

I just want to lynch someone but thats really really hard when 2 town are afk

[Alisae]

omg Pine you must be desperate

[Alisae]

Yeah you weren’t really fooling me with this PB case tho tbh
I figured something was up because you talked about his older posts instead of his recent posts, so I wasn’t super interested in it.

[Alisae]

Like the progression sucked

[Alisae]

Like I’m honestly convinced you just townspewed yourself
So gj there ig

[Alisae]

@Jingle people need prods

don't know what you're talking about

VOTE SOMETHING aren’t you supposed to be SOMETHING SMART?

[Alisae]

Yeah you weren’t really fooling me with this PB case tho tbh
I figured something was up because you talked about his older posts instead of his recent posts, so I wasn’t super interested in it.

That case was actually really solid looking though...

okay but where did that read come from?
I’m not really buying Mena coming out of nowhere with that read, something would had triggered it.

[Alisae]

I mean sure, but I am rock solid in my reads right now.
The only thing that will change my mind is flips.

[Alisae]

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer

sound good?

[Alisae]

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer

sound good?

Literally could not pick 3 worse lynches

No one has offered me one solitary reason to think dann is scum. Why are you pushing it? Can you not ignore me just because you think I'm scum? You need to give me the opportunity to show you otherwise because we are not in a good enough spot to just lynch whoever.

D4 ICONEUM PUSH BAD

[Alisae]

no one died during the night
wooper was my doc save

[Alisae]

VOTE: dannflor

[Alisae]

shut up fire, no one cares

[Alisae]

I don't

[Alisae]

I'm not sure you're allowed to decide the lynch today

[Alisae]

i still decide the lynches you dog

[Alisae]

VOTE: firebringer
no screw danny he can live another day get this fucking pupper out of the game

[Alisae]

VOTE: firebringer
no screw danny he can live another day get this fucking pupper out of the game

you fell right into my trap card.

I PLAY MIRROR FORCE!

I play solemn judgment

[Alisae]

Something_Smart more like
Something_Not_Playing_The_Game

[Alisae]

yes and yes Dunn

[Alisae]

just lynch Fire or Dann
I don't really care.

[Alisae]

my personal lynch for the day is Fire so I don't have to deal with him on future days but that's just a me issue

[Alisae]

like honestly
can we just speedlynch Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer?

[Alisae]

like end the day here by lynching Dann
end the next day as soon as it starts by lynching Cephir
end the next day as soon as it starts by lynching Firebringer

[Alisae]

No.

no one is asking for your opinion!

[Alisae]

well your opinion doesn't matter!

[Alisae]

No.

no one is asking for your opinion!

ahem

fire what is your opinion

no one is asking for his opinion

[Alisae]

Like straight-up I think most of the design elements of this game make it unfun and uninteresting, and I also think it's both scumsided and very swingy.

okay but we still have to play it :/

[Alisae]

then lynch me already oh my god

hold on
its hard to get the town to agree on a lynch

[Alisae]

i need blood at this point
sorry for getting boring

i need blood at this point
sorry for getting boring

i need blood at this point
sorry for getting boring

i need blood at this point
sorry for getting boring

i need blood at this point
sorry for getting boring

i need blood at this point
sorry for getting boring

[Alisae]

I’m annoyed

[Alisae]

WAIT A MINUTE
ARE YOU SAYING YOU LIKE SEEING HIM BULLY ME

[Alisae]

;~;

[Alisae]

plz nerf I don't like counterplay or counterbullying ;~;

[Alisae]

Use water gun on the growlithe!

[Alisae]

ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE!

[Alisae]

Despite all of that, we're DROWNING in confirmed or near-confirmed Town, and if not for one Aristophanes-level deepwolf, would lose this game HARD.

lol imagine thinking you have a deepwolf

[Alisae]

Oh nooooooo
Fear the 1 deepwolf that pine has that is just too good for me to catch
Oh nooooooo
Its so scary and spooky

[Alisae]

Dw we’ll lynch ur deepwolf last tree

[Alisae]

OI WOOPER I SEE U ON SITE COME HAMMER FIRE

[Alisae]

Ali I already did

wait you’re wooper?
Playing in 2 slots at the same time is illegal you criminal >_<

[Alisae]

HAH
KARMA
TAKE THAT

[Alisae]

Because you were bullying me

[Alisae]

If you didn’t bully me you wouldn’t have gotten sick

[Alisae]

(Hope you feel better grandpupper)

[Alisae]

Bye grandpupper

[Alisae]

i had choice words for u alisae after i was lynched/post game, but i think at this point it doesn't matter. The whole fiasco where u left the team mafia team we were making in response to this game was super uncalled for and like wtf.

Yeah, um, I woke up and specifically remember that and was like "wtf????????????" and wasn't actually thinking properly beyond just being super angry.

[Alisae]

like I don't think I was acting like a rational person during that.

[Alisae]

sorry

[Alisae]

one of dann/cephir probably

[Alisae]

Well Fire,
I put the gamestate where we had 1 mislynch
and that's literally all I need
so if ur town, I think I should have enough information to figure this out.

[Alisae]

so if ur town, I think I should have enough information to figure this out.

lol ok

HEY I'M SERIOUS!

[Alisae]

so if ur town, I think I should have enough information to figure this out.

lol ok

HEY I'M SERIOUS!

no ur not. i can find a post just like 2 pages ago of u saying u wanted me lynched because i was a headache to u.

ur not getting shit out of my flip regardless of what i do flip.

its not what you do
its what slots say about you

[Alisae]

fwiw tho, I'll happily consider ur posts about GE!

[Alisae]

fwiw tho, I'll happily consider ur posts about GE!

press x to doubt.

what
they're good posts

[Alisae]

oh so that's what the informed fruit informs the user of

[Alisae]

its probably "Pine can only give fruit to scum once" and he gave the JK fruit to PP

[Alisae]

Pinew spewed mena town

[Alisae]

but that loses the game for town

[Alisae]

Something_Smart more like Something_Else

[Alisae]

VOTE: mariar
yes

[Alisae]

if ur town just vote mariar
I've just accepted that if I'm not 4/4 on my reads, we lost the game, and while we could lynch obvious scum, I don't want to drag the game out any longer.
Its to the point where if ur name isn't Mena, SS, or wooper, I'm most likely going to not see your posts (literally)

[Alisae]

VOTE: mariar
yes

That may be our wincon, boys and girl

I literally told you that if I wasn't 4/4 in reads I lost the game.

[Alisae]

Either way look.
wooper, mena, ss town
Pink Ball I am also saying is town because Pine told me so and I believe him.
and Iconeum is just being pushed by scum

can we lynch quickly and end the game?
I want to get yelled at by literally the whole playerlist now

[Alisae]

and end the game as in
if I lose I want teh game to be over
if I am perfect in my reads, then we should be able to lynch this today and be okay
if I'm one wrong, then I deserve to lose
thats how things are right?

[Alisae]

ok i think im high but I'm explaining this wrong but

I'm betting the game on my reads and I want the game to be over if I'm wrong, so I'm at this point willing to quick lynch.

Gamma at this point is scum and he's not hiding it.
Krazy's cases on Dann was awful and Cephir made a horrible case for Icon so Cephir is also scum
Dann is scum because if he was town he would still put effort into lynching that slot or try as hard as he could to get that slot to be lynched. It wouldn't make him townie, but its just the right thing to do.
Firebringer flip as well as a recently finished game suggests to me that this isn't town!Maria's lategame. She does stuff here. What is she doing right now?
Boom nothing.

[Alisae]

Yes

[Alisae]

I think Mena has been consistently town throughout most of the game when he's been playing it.

[Alisae]

ok but he's town

[Alisae]

I'm sorry I'm not interested in lynching town

[Alisae]

i just want ur vote tbh

[Alisae]

I solved it Icon

[Alisae]

can you stop making an ass of yourself, you're going to get some towny to throw the game and vote you

[Alisae]

if ur town
put down a mariar vote
if ur scum and mariar is town
put down a mariar vote

[Alisae]

and also say yes to quick nights
I want the game to be over, and so do you

[Alisae]

actually scrap that

Icon, my reads are so good that we can hammertest you

would you like to be hammertested?

[Alisae]

actually
we can hammertest you
but we don't need to

you're town who honestly just doesn't know what the fuck is going on or anything, and is more on the bad side rather on the scum side, and scum have to take use of the bad side to try to mislynch you
like its kind of really obvious to me.

Just vote MariaR and call it a day.

[Alisae]

wait hold on I have an idea.

@Jingle, you know how townies can give Pine their vote when bargaining for fruit? Yeah, is it possible for a townie to give me their vote?

[Alisae]

I still just don't think Maria is playing towny here; outside of you pulling rank on "I can read Maria and this is her damn towngame" I'm not really interested in considering her town unless I see it cased :U PoEish but she's surface scummy but I'm also fine with this being a PoE read

why does town!mariaR say she doesn't want to repeat the day phase 2 days ago to try and get us to not lynch PP?

[Alisae]

like, wooper, this post is super cringe

i liked ico's first few posts but i think we maybe have a case here of someone who couldn't keep up the townbeams. i am not bothering to annotate the first few posts, which were broadly good.

I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.

However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lol

I think it's pretty noteworthy that ico spends way more effort on defending LLD than, like, the game. it's only a few posts, but it's also the sum total of all the effort he put in at that point.

Yeah no I just don't see LLD as scum. I know i'm far from the best player in this game but i'm here and I stick to my gut now.

Most of the votes on LLD are literally 'you claim commuter? SCUMMMMM'

How easy is it for actual scum to follow that, huh? I bet Pine is laughing his ass off in his little forest right now

ok i haven't read the LLD wagon but i doubt this is an accurate representation of it
last line is scaremongery

IconWhats town about a full unrestricted commuter?And why do you give it to a hot head, who isn’t always super obvtown, doesn’t have the best reads, but is strong when it comes to game sense?Why do you give a super powerscum scum player a full commuter when they’re town? Especially since Jingle is townsiding here.

Ali that's my point! It's not really a towny claim. It's just not. But she claimed it anyway, while far away from being lynched.

LLD. Claimed. A. Role. That. Would. Draw. Attention.

Why would scum!LLD do that?

at the risk of upsetting duckboy:
????????????????

"It's not a towny claim, which makes it a towny claim" is pretty far out there. So is the idea that LLD is scared of attention. And you don't need to know her to think that. Her posts in this game are clearly not from someone who doesn't like the limelight. But hmm, maybe you're the type of scum play who doesn't like attention and that's why you lurk, eh?

Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it

It's one thing to call it out, but not follow through on this with actions is bad

Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it

uhhhh I need to reread Maria?

weirdly fencesitty post for her and not a good look especially if Krazy flips town here

I agree with this

Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it

uhhhh I need to reread Maria?

weirdly fencesitty post for her and not a good look especially if Krazy flips town here

I don't need to make fencesitty posts as scum when I can get out of any read based on that logic. If this is how you feel the correct way to play it would be to wait until after the flip and then ask me.

So, why does scum me fence sit here? Because to me this feels setupish

Not if ur not voting there. You are saying x-flip is good and will provide information but you take no action to further what you are saying. And the first person who calls you out on this you instantly call 'setupish'. Overdefensive.

"overdefensive" is always a fun scum tack. i don't use the textbook often, but i think that one's fairly well documented

Firebringer if I get lynched and I ask you to please not govern would you not govern because I'm town and I asked?

This feels fake. Presenting yourself as a self-sacrifice without being at risk yet is easy.

This is the one I saw in the dann iso. This is a very poor representation of what pops posted. Like, insultingly bad. But it's a stretch to create a case, I think, because the whole case is steaming ass.

VOTE: the worst

"I'm not townreading pops" grossed me out a bit

Weaksauce. This vote came right after Ali called out to lynch the worst, too.

All of the wagons approved by Fire are on high contention reads.

I think we should just ignore the governor, and if Fire uses it we just lynch him the next day.

Fire regularly plays against win condition. That is just how he plays. I would be more likely to invite him to a birthday party than a game of mafia, I'll say that. No matter how much you hate it, it's not scum indicative for him to scumside. You have to figure out other ways to read him, like the actual flavor of his antics, in this case I think scum!fire would give a narrower pool of allowed lynches, this fire doesn't seem to know people's role pms. Threatening to lynch him will do nothing whatsoever to disincentivize his use of the governor as either alignment. Actually if he didn't use the governor it'd probably be better to lynch him.
Fire killed himself as mafia in a game of dance mafia once. He'll do anything.
Sometimes, possibly usually, you can't afford an extra mislynch just to punish bad behavior. I either won SC legacy of the void mafia or won it ahead of schedule because I convinced the town not to lynch a townie who had fake an innocent result on an unconfirmed player who turned out to be scum. That's absolutely disgusting play that "deserves" three lynches but it wasn't to my wincon to mislynch a townie for vindication.

mother of shades?

chennisden is not only not meeting his own hyperpost meta (he probably is, it's just in the PT, I know from Undertale Mafia he loves having a PT), the quality of his posts is way lower. This is not town chennis.

VOTE: chennisden

I don't know where the non-vanity wagons are right now


chennisden shouldn't be a vanity wagon though.

Literally all over the place, hoping one of these wagons draws enough attention away from him is how I read all of this.

VOTE: pops

this case sucks. this case is why people say cases are scummy. it's like, whole cloth fabrication of a read from innocuous posts.

okay before i *try* to answer that, I can shoot this back at you

why does scum!dragon, who had a townread on you and was not active enough to deserve a townread himself this game, come out of the gates D4 'to hop on worst wagon'.
There are alternatives, hell there's even no need for scum to be on a wagon right now or any day soon. Do you think I didn't realize what I could bring upon myself by posting that?

what is my scum motivation in doing so?

i'm gonna get myself in trouble here because i use the "what's my scum motivation" line as both but i think it's commonly a scum line from people who aren't me
heres a big secret about mafia: sometimes scum post things for no reason

name a thing chennisden did.

posted and squirmed a lot

name a thing spyconeum did that's towny

VOTE: mastina

I think he's tryna post stuff which looks good > is good

his push on me early this phase was intensely bad faithy and he kinda weaseled out of going into any kind of depth about his read/progression

i did full disclosure tho :s

okay so this post gave me a wtf, but...

name a thing chennisden did.

posted and squirmed a lot

name a thing spyconeum did that's towny

VOTE: mastina

Could you explaint he difference between this and a naked vote?

The one push that I felt comfortable with and attempted blew up in my face
I got a message with a vote suggestion
This is fine

this makes it a lot better. i like this post a fair amount, actually. maybe he predicted that he was going to get called out for his weird vote and planned to only out that he was asked to at that time in order to look town, but i consider this a point in favor of ico.

Spoiler:

Also was I told to watch Elsa because she was a mason or what

Yeah avtually one sec, that actually seems meaningful

Okay so it seems Elsa's kill flavor differs from Nacho's somewhay so I doubt any commonality in those kills. Also

Funny how people keep trusting things that come from scum.

Yeah I think had I read the day first my question would have been meaningless. There's no way Pine is operating for any good here, and though I distrusted Alisae for a moment I refuse to believe both stumps would be scum. Now I'm very curious about what drawbacks other fruits incur if those have such grave consequences.

The four names were SS, Krazy, Iconeum and pops.

Also if this is true we have a 50/50 between Krazy and Ico
I need to check something now

Lady Lambdadelta (13): the worst, Katsuki, Krazy, Formerfish, MariaR,

Titus, Jjh927

,

Gamma Emerald

,

GreyICE

, Firebringer, Dannflor,

ankamius, popsofctown

If this is a bus what spots did scum take on it? It seems the back is rather clear of scum, so they seem to be theoretically frontloaded.

Alright then, who are all the people who voted LLD? Whilst I do want to make a difference I need to avoid expending time on outsourcable tasks

A lot more effort to sort, and genuine feeling in this.

idk what this is in response to, but i cannot for the life of me find "genuine feeling" in any of these gamma posts.

what does scum!kats have to gain from that claim?

placeholder for ico's obsession with kats claim- he spends a remarkable amount of energy (compared to his overall low energy for the game) on this without ever pushing more than mildly for kats to be lynched. not a fan

I think pp's claim would fit a scumteam. FB seems content with the current gamestate and is posting to just be here?

Not the best cases or anything, but it's what I think. All based on my readthrough from today.

fb this is like the only mention of PP i saw what are you talking about.

@ what's left of Pine's scumteam: I can feel you circling around me, looking at me like i'm a mislynch. Let me tell you right here and now that's not gonna happen

talking a big talk is easy friend but when you gonna show up?

[Alisae]

Is this a serious take?

which alignment is going to make you think this wooper buddy?

[Alisae]

Ooooh, VCA! I love manipulating VCA!

FYI: There was an all-Town lynch and a lynch with the entire scumteam on it.

MariaR, Katsuki, Krazy, Iconeum, PenguinPower, Firebringer, Menalque, Gamma Emerald,
Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower, Dannflor, Pink Ball, the worst, Menalque, MariaR,
‪Katsuki‬, ‪Menalque‬, ‪MariaR‬, ‪Firebringer‬, ‪the worst‬,
‪the worst‬, ‪Katsuki‬, ‪Krazy‬, ‪MariaR‬, ‪Gamma Emerald‬, ‪Firebringer‬, ‪Dannflor‬

[Alisae]

Actually that pine post is probably the lie I should stop caring about it/

[Alisae]

I think you’re thinking about what resulted in Titus getting killed?

[Alisae]

I'll analyse it when I'm home. I think you should put 0 serious weight into it. It might be true. It might not. It's more an interesting titbit than anything that will win the game.

Pine definitely meant it to impact you/other vca fans lol I should actually vca a little

pedit: I'm not really sure sorry

we should be able to compare all of the statements of
There is one scum in {Pink Ball, Mena, PP}
There is one scum in {Krazy, Iconeum}
There was an all town wagon
There was an all scum wagon

And figure out what is a lie via just deduction

[Alisae]

I think the statement about the wagons is the lie though so not sure its worth the time

[Alisae]

I wonder how many scummies this game will get nommed for

[Alisae]

so firstly: if the wagon comment is true Maria is necessarily town?

it would conflict with the other statements

[Alisae]

Wooper friend ik this is fun since its actual logical deduction trying to determine if a lie is in fact a lie, but apparently there is a pine guarantee that there is 1 scum in Icon and Krazy, and when Pine told me that “Titus wasn’t shooting in that list but it contained 1 scum” and from evidence we are clearly seeing, that is most likely to be true then not true

Then a lie is a lie.
I shouldn’t have brought that up

[Alisae]

Actually, this is kind of fun.
What would need to be true if GE is town?

[Alisae]

GE said so himself
There is definitely bussing going on there

[Alisae]

Have fun!

thank you I will

[Alisae]

I think the only reason why that lynch even felt remotely possible is because the whole scumteam decided to make it possible.

[Alisae]

i am sure i coloured the d1 vote counts for gamma but i can't find them :{

nvm don’t worry about it

[Alisae]

Vote Count 5.11

Flavor.

With 12 alive, it is 7 to Lynch or 6 to No Lynch!

PenguinPower (6): MariaR, Pink Ball, wooper, Gamma Emerald, Cephrir, Dannflor,
Cephrir (0):
Firebringer (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Something_Smart (0):
MariaR (0):
the worst (0):
Iconeum (0):
Pink Ball (0):
Dannflor (0):
Dunnstral (0):
Menalque (0):

Alisae is endorsing: Penguin Power

Not Voting (6): Firebringer, PenguinPower, Iconeum, Dunnstral, Menalque, Something_Smart,

Deadline: Day 5 will end after 10 days, on October 21st. This is in (expired on 2019-10-21 12:00:00).

It is now MYLO.
Pine is offering a Rolecop Fruit. Wooper and Iconeum are bargaining for it.
Pine is offering a Vigilante Fruit. Dunnstral is bargaining for it.
This may come as a shock, but it is not in fact D1. I'll be fixing the deadline in previous votecounts to reflect this.

there is 1 scum voting not voting and 4 town voting not voting

[Alisae]

Vote Count 5.11

Flavor.

With 12 alive, it is 7 to Lynch or 6 to No Lynch!

PenguinPower (6): MariaR, Pink Ball, wooper, Gamma Emerald, Cephrir, Dannflor,
Cephrir (0):
Firebringer (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Something_Smart (0):
MariaR (0):
the worst (0):
Iconeum (0):
Pink Ball (0):
Dannflor (0):
Dunnstral (0):
Menalque (0):

Alisae is endorsing: Penguin Power

Not Voting (6): Firebringer, PenguinPower, Iconeum, Dunnstral, Menalque, Something_Smart,

Deadline: Day 5 will end after 10 days, on October 21st. This is in (expired on 2019-10-21 12:00:00).

It is now MYLO.
Pine is offering a Rolecop Fruit. Wooper and Iconeum are bargaining for it.
Pine is offering a Vigilante Fruit. Dunnstral is bargaining for it.
This may come as a shock, but it is not in fact D1. I'll be fixing the deadline in previous votecounts to reflect this.

there is 1 scum voting not voting and 4 town voting not voting

This is assuming that PB Mena and PP contain 1 scum is true

If Iconeum is scum, they need a minimum of 3 scum on that lynch
If mena is town, PB must be town
Wooper is town
Cephir is town if Iconeum is scum.

If Iconeun is town, then they need a minimum of 4 scum on that lynch
If mena is town, PB is town
Wooper is town

You know the rest.

[Alisae]

I'll analyse it when I'm home. I think you should put 0 serious weight into it. It might be true. It might not. It's more an interesting titbit than anything that will win the game.

Pine definitely meant it to impact you/other vca fans lol I should actually vca a little

pedit: I'm not really sure sorry

we should be able to compare all of the statements of
There is one scum in {Pink Ball, Mena, PP}
There is one scum in {Krazy, Iconeum}
There was an all town wagon
There was an all scum wagon

And figure out what is a lie via just deduction

Only two of those statements were true.

Have fun!

Wooper we know that there was an all town wagon is a lie, and the vc I posted proves that.
We know that an all scum wagon is a lie because we flipped firebringer and on the vcs, there are is never more then 3 names that are uncolored, and there are 4 scum alive.

[Alisae]

PB is just confirmed town and its a con flip between Cephir and Iconeum

And I think we know which side to take there, yeah?

[Alisae]

Kinda wish Pine conceded :/

[Alisae]

Actually a thought just occurred to me.
Say MariaR is town, because there was an all town wagon statement is correct
That would mean GE is scum with Cephir and Ico is also true because and they’re scum with Dann.

PB, Mena town can still be true here, while 1 scum in Ico, Cephir is false (because there is 2 scum)

[Alisae]

I think maybe we should unvote MariaR?

[Alisae]

NAAAAAAAAH

[Alisae]

Cephir doesn’t post cringe to push his scumbuddy like that.

[Alisae]

Dann doesn’t suddenly need to decide to bus Icon like that either

[Alisae]

Kinda wish Pine conceded :/

That was never on the table. It was very close, but the race was run. Finish it out.

I want the game to be over now not in 1 week

[Alisae]

She was definitely not the scum kill she hid behind scum
Nacho was vig shot
And GreyICE kills as blocked.

Just look at the kill flavor