Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

Wooper · Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:54 pm

ya sry i bully scum it's y im the worst

Wooper · Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:58 pm

^ me devouring the scums

Wooper · Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:51 pm

In post 11897, Jingle wrote:
Let's all take this opportunity to discuss whether I should remove the twilight for future phases. I think the answer is yes, but I'm interested in your opinions.

PLEASE I BEG YOU

Wooper · Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:51 pm

In post 11908, Wooper wrote:
In post 11897, Jingle wrote:
Let's all take this opportunity to discuss whether I should remove the twilight for future phases. I think the answer is yes, but I'm interested in your opinions.
PLEASE I BEG YOU

hold on modspew
we gottem
yeeet

Wooper · Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:57 pm

i don't really care about that read am i bad
for a moment i was struck by anxiety and then i realised we probably have another phase so

we good

Wooper · Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:02 pm

no mb
i skipped all the posts complaining abt twilight
my time is IMPORTANT

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:07 pm

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:07 pm

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:07 pm

wait did we break out of lylo

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:07 pm

wtf alisae op hahahaahah

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:08 pm

I WOULD HIGH FIVE YOU IF I HAD HANDS
HOLD ON

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:09 pm

WOOPER FISTBUMP

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:13 pm

wait you doc'd me? I had a weird intuition I was gonna die I feel all glowy

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:15 pm

Did Dunn hold his shot?

pedit: oh my god well fucking played

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:16 pm

I was so so so anxious about how Dunn would shoot
We're actually gonna beat Pine
This is awesome

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:17 pm

yeah that makes so so much sense esp. if they think the last mason is a goner that same night.

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:18 pm

god that's so good

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:19 pm

i feel like i've had a litre of coffee
so buzzed

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:21 pm

BASIC PLAN OR NOT IT WORKED SO
EAT IT SCUMBRINGER

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:21 pm

tbh i think dannflor is town

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:21 pm

even if we don't treat me as mechcleared i think i've hit the point of being kinda obvtown via play

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:23 pm

can we lynch

Spoiler:

today o:

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:27 pm

Firebringer
MariaR
Gamma Emerald
Cephrir (Krazy)
Iconeum
Pink Ball
Dannflor
Menalque

ok looking at this list reminds me how hard sorting the remaining slots is but after yday i am starting to think dann is probably Just Town

i think krazzy played too hard, felt manipulative and NOPEd out, i think ceph is really clearly scum and i think mariar came out to play to try and keep heat off him.

the vca yday with pp was gross; he wasn't OUTED scum but he was pretty clearly scum, votes flew too quick but there wasn't an effort to quickhammer, i swear that wagon is gonna be filthy

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:32 pm

ico is a weirdly hard read
he feels slippy in a way i'd associate with an uninformed player, but not ... actually particularly towny... ://

let me dive back into his iso; dunn i'd be pretty keen to talk to you about him

his case on me d..4? was so bad faithy i was sure he was scum at the time but i kinda got cold on that read

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:44 pm

PP was so ineffectual in the gamestate i'm like, net neutral about whether or not he was bussing or mislynching.

i agree some of icon's popins have been towny but mostly in the slippy/uninformed towny way, not in like an organic hardcore solving mindset towny way.

i don't think he's scum, necessarily, i'm just less certain on his alignment the more i think about it but i think i swing more town than scum. i wanna engage dunn because i think i need a more contrary opinion than my brain can offer rn.

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:50 pm

I thought the fruit spoiling under certain conditions sounded familiar, I was trying to think of a sneaky way of pointing that out. :>

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:55 pm

yes ceph I cased this yday stop the multiple?posting creature proved it's a scum thing

checked with Jingle and he said fruit mechanic questions need to go via Pine but I feel Quite Satisfied that fireb's govern has spoiled

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:57 pm

In post 11991, Cephrir wrote:Are we lynching me today? If were gonna no matter what I do pls let me know so I dont need to get invested

depends if i can get my way or not >: (

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:02 pm

In post 11998, Cephrir wrote:On the other hand wooper's hard caught me with his sick data that multiple question marks is lockscum so I should probably just say cuff me

back at it bullying the scums

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:21 pm

Lord please smite Cephrir so we can find the rest of his buddies without this

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:22 pm

gdi fireb what did I even hire you for

same ceph, fucking with vca expectations is my jam

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:33 pm

In post 12052, Dunnstral wrote:Again, I don't think Menalque is in his scum range, want to talk about that?

Oh shit I forgot to respond to this. I read that ISO you linked and I think you're blatantly correct. If this is his scumrange it's obscenely wide compared to that game.

That was a really good pickup. It slipped my mind for a sec.

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:37 pm

In post 12059, Alisae wrote:mena icon mariar pink ball all town

I agree with Mena
I want to agree with ico
Don't agree on MariaR
Wish I agreed on Punk Bill

Which one should I reevaluate first?

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:41 pm

How sheepable are you on mariar? I don't have a great grasp of her scumrange tbqh

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:46 pm

Alright. I've scummed with maria once when I was very new, saw her scum in a pretty big marathon once, and obviously MLP and I really don't have a grasp of how she approaches scum yet. if you're really confident on that read I'll let it go for now.

Wooper · Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:56 pm

I'll be back a little later

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:01 am

bargain: informed

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:09 am

this one looks pretty juicy Alisae
this is the fruit that's been scaring the shit outta Pine I wanna eat it

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:13 am

In post 10218, Pine wrote:
In post 10216, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 10210, Pine wrote:The fruit are actually pretty much designed to be neutral. The benefits gained are roughly equivalent to the drawbacks.

It’s not my fault you’re using them so recklessly.
It has nothing to do with the strength of the fruits, it's just about what they do (concentrate a lot of power in the hands of few players) and what they don't do (provide information). I do think the game is unbalanced, but that particular complaint was about why it's not fun, independent of the balance.
Several fruits provide information. We’ve seen two Watcher fruits, there’s a Tracker fruit, an Informed fruit, and a Rolecop fruit, the latter of which is going up for auction...now.

This fruit will grant the consumer a 1-shot Rolecop ability.

This shot must be used the night after it is received.

This is the image associated with the fruit:

In post 10220, Pine wrote:A) I don’t think you know how Watcher works
B) The Informed fruit is the hands-down most powerful fruit in the hands of Town. It’s the only one I seriously considered just never offering. Fortunately, it hasn’t been rolled.

1000% worth

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:14 am

one of my quotes dropped off, hmph.

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:18 am

he said that long before it randed, and there's obviously a mechanic which is keeping him handing out fruit
he didn't hand out the rolecop fruit yday

i think he's in a situation where he has to give this one out and has no other option

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:37 am

which question? i'm at work

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:48 am

if i was anything but vt i would've claimed it already billy

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:49 am

in case my flip flop hasn't already indicated it i'm also not really townreading gamma anymore :/

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:01 pm

nothing ceph has posted over the last few pages makes you think otherwise?

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:07 pm

In post 12222, Alisae wrote:reaks

scum word sighted

i wondered abt theatre in d5 as well

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:11 pm

In post 12227, Menalque wrote:If you think you’re gonna have doubts about me in lylo you may just wanna lynch me today as I think I’m gonna struggle to get back into this and so I’m always gonna be a target

Has maria done something to make her town other than the doctor claim?

dunnstral (last mason) has been pretty passionately waving the town!meanphos flag and i'm p sure he's right

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:12 pm

i think ceph/krazy slot is more scummy, with or without dann, just so it's noted

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:14 pm

In post 12233, Alisae wrote:It was a read GreyICE also had from D1 as well

that's good to know, i trust greyice's towngame quite a lot.
i thought mena's d1 was also very towny, the read has kinda wobbled since is all

back to just townreading him tho

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:15 pm

ss/dunn
tw
^ conftown/soft
mariar/menaphos
^ strong town via meta

we need 2 more town in this list basically ig

Firebringer
Gamma Emerald
Cephrir
Iconeum
Pink Ball
Dannflor

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:18 pm

In post 12244, Cephrir wrote:
In post 12226, Alisae wrote:like Krazy and Dann whenever they danced around each other, were always around to dance around each other. Whenever they danced with each other, it was always them interacting with each other in live time.
i guess you don't need to interact with me on this if you don't feel like it, but i want to push on it a little and see if it is made of anything solid. why is that theater indicative?

they never tore into each other until literally lylo
then they had a big public battle over really stupid reasons and called each other scum!!! then when i tried to interact with both of them 1) dann said krazy should just talk to me instead, 2) krazy noped out...there wasn't really much depth or integrity from either of them but firmly less from krazy than from dann

i can't decide whether it's theatre for sure but i think krazy played a scumgame wrt his handling of dann's slot

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:18 pm

do you think scum expected the game to end yday?

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:21 pm

In post 12249, Menalque wrote:I mean I think Pb is town

Why do you have doubts there?

Also are you now just like a consensus tr or what?

@wooper

ali docced me last night and there was no kill
so i'm v likely the scum nk
or they no killed to mess with us but given they probably expected dunn to use the vig fruit & die last night i can't really see them doing this

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:22 pm

In post 12250, Alisae wrote:
In post 12246, Wooper wrote:they never tore into each other until literally lylo
Day 1

ok valid but i more or less missed this amongst the noise of LLD being lynched
they hedged around scumreading each other for mislynch after mislynch** is probably fairer

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:27 pm

VOTE: Gamma

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:27 pm

sass me instead if you need to relieve some stress ceph

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:29 pm

In post 12274, Cephrir wrote:

ali this dude's upgraded from multiple question marks to emojis
why the fuck are we lynching elsewhere

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:30 pm

In post 12275, Firebringer wrote:
In post 12273, Cephrir wrote:usually, i guess
And iconeum has fried back with scumreads on people who voted him already in this game.

I am the example of this.

But penguin is doing nothing and Iconeum completely ignores the vote?!

In what world do you do that as town unless you just completely missed the vote

..this is actually kinda interesting
ico has been extremely reactive this game
but didn't react to flipped scum shadily voting him

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:31 pm

sorry, that was a joke about the intensely outdated emoji use scumtell

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:43 pm

In post 0, Jingle wrote:No One, Alt of Who, was killed N6, despite not being in the game at all.

@jungle this is great,

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:45 pm

tbh i think any of {ceph, dann, ico} would be more ~interesting~ lynches but Gamma is actually probably scum....we may as well stay out of LyLo while we're here...

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:45 pm

In post 12288, Pine wrote:
In post 12238, Menalque wrote:
bargain: informed
Okay. I want your vote though. Fruit in twilight.

assuming mena is town this puts us back at 6v5 votes :c

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:56 pm

In post 12302, Pine wrote:
In post 12296, Alisae wrote:I'm not even sure what significant setup knowledge could possibly be so gamechanging that it makes someone who is in our poe town

Truth: The information in the Informed fruit has the potential to hardclear someone in your PoE.

if mena only gives his vote away for this phase i think we should take this tbh
as long as nobody votes anyone fucking stupid we actually should be ok

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:57 pm

In post 12294, MariaR wrote:
In post 12285, Alisae wrote:
In post 12284, MariaR wrote:
In post 12282, Alisae wrote:because I townread you maria iconeum and pink ball
Hahahahahaha
so where are we disagreeing here?
Pinkball
maybe Ico but not as confident.

hauntingly i agree w maria

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:10 pm

In post 12314, Menalque wrote:Why is Pb scummy wooper?

i don't think he's been able to focus for extended periods of time on solving the game
his analyses around mechanical stuff have been like... i can't even remember them properly

there's a lot of flashy busywork there but the actual substance is pretty lacking going by memory

i haven't ISO-dived this yet jsyk

oh my god i had a great idea

i should deepdive the iso of someone in the POE and try to just read them at face value

any suggestions?

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:10 pm

i'm doing one (1) because i normally do this exclusively in micros, it's fucking exhausting.

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:15 pm

oh
i have no idea how to read warmpuppy unless he's trying

so to speak i think i can read fireass but i don't think i can read warmpuppy

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:28 pm

fairly good

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:12 pm

VOTE: fireb

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:13 pm

ceph scum for ??? and emojis
alisae scum for self vote

we got this

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:32 pm

In post 12381, Alisae wrote:Wooper u decide the lynch

i'm cool w deciding the lynch but not yet

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:34 pm

I'LL HELP YOU BUILD A DESKTOP IF YOU GIVE ME THE FRUIT

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:43 pm

it's not really a good deal unless he hands it over before twilight

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:13 pm

what if we let him boycott a lynch today

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:51 pm

step 1: suppress social anxiety
step 2: i'll let you know when i find it

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:54 pm

hiconeum.
can you just vomit reads on the thread for a bit?

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:55 pm

So you think Fire/GE aren't w/w - GE town before Fire I'm guessing?

Could you case as many of {dann, ceph, GE} for me as you have time for? I've been swinging away from the holistic solve for a good year now but if Ali's and Dunn's most compelling cases are correct your PoE is

Maria - Ali meta clear
Mena - Dunn meta clear
Fire - not w/w with GE
GE - not w/w with Fire

which makes me think you're townreading roughly 2-3 scum

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:56 pm

accept "meta clear" isn't mechanical but you can see why an holistic solve leaves you as scum 90% of the time right?

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:03 pm

I believe in your towngame so much dude
I watched you turn SC:LotV from a stomp into a town win
like you picked the game losing mislynch, turned their frown upside down, and lead the town into an hilarious win when an unkillable scum stump had basically wrecked town WIM

you're wrong here and I think you know that readpost you just dropped down isn't up to scratch. I think town gaining a day has probably fucked scum WIM pretty hard. I expect Pine is scrambling for a clutch play to turn the gamestate back around. You coasting through with a crap solve and hoping we lynch into a PoE which clearly has 1+ town in it clearly fits better with a scum agenda than a town agenda.

If you're town this is the time to flip it around so you can claim endgaming TWO unkillable scum stumps

pedit: note I explicitly didn't ask you for a fireb read - I'm not interested in a fireb read, I know his d6 has been shite

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:07 pm

In post 12467, Firebringer wrote:
In post 12465, Iconeum wrote:Most of this is shading over actual scumreading.
ur probably gonna have to do better than that man.

I keep agreeing with people I want to murder this phase is awful

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:09 pm

Case what you saw
I wanna see someone talk through how that Krazy push was towny
I wanna see someone talk through how Ceph is towny

I hate poe/stagnancy gimme some spice

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:12 pm

We're actually finally in a position where we can afford to be wrong. Just once. It's a treat more delicious than any fruit. Now's the time to get this to a 5p PoE.

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:16 pm

I was trying to psyche you up with the cute self meta stuff. we're not going down the rabbit hole any further. you know the slots I want cased--just talk me through stuff carefully. as much trajectory as possible

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:23 pm

I'm being smart this time MariaR. I pinkie promise.

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:28 pm

Can we just lynch MariaR so nobody bullies me anymore smh

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:35 pm

MariaR => Fireb

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:35 pm

In post 12483, Wooper wrote:MariaR => Fireb

actually Ceph bullied me too......

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:55 pm

keep going, I want the other 2.
I'll have a think about krazy

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:55 pm

I'm a demanding little bastard I want quality AND quantity

Wooper · Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:04 pm

definitely understood - how bout dann & GE?

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:03 am

could you unpack those reads a little more from me? you're doubling down on town!ceph but pushing dann down into scum territory? dann was your second strongest townread in your read list - can you show me where your mind was at then and what caused it to change?

that read is also pretty generic, i was hoping for something with a bit more iconeum flair :c you also used the same read for both dann and GE, which i don't think really reflects what they're doing particularly fairly

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:04 am

if you don't believe in meta-clear that's fine; just unpack why you think both of those reads are wrong. i'm keen to see why you think mena is scum in particular (i'm strongly sheeping ali on mariar)

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:29 am

i wish gamma had discernibly alignment told. he hasn't...like, done anything of much substance in such a long time and it's super frustrating.

this feels weird but looking back at krazy's posting previous to lylo i actually can kinda jam with a townread of him. i just think it's super vexing i asked ico to towncase three townreads, he presented to heavily towncase the one i was the last interested in, then give really sketchy summary reads on the ones i'm actually worried ico could be scum with.

ico's krazy case also feels closer to tmi than scum defending scum (probably closer to t!ico/s!krazy than s/s), like he's intentionally just casually hopped over the bits of krazy's and ceph's posting which had me worried and done the

he's just town duuuuuddddeeee

argument

someone please bounce this back to me - i think ico is actually scum here

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:30 am

i kinda wish fireb had done something other than just casually shade ico tho because all i feel now is there's 1-2 scum in them which is how i felt before hand >:C

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:07 am

In post 12510, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 12494, Iconeum wrote:i don't believe in meta-cleared tho
Well, it exists.

they said this til creature won a huge high profile game on MU

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:07 am

as scum**

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:54 am

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=11328543#p11328543]post 12524[/url], Gamma Emerald"][quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=11327698#p11327698]post 12242[/url], Wooper"]mariar/menaphos
^ strong town via meta[/quote]
Talk about these, especially Maria[/quote]
sheeping Alisae ey're very very strongly townreading Maria

I'll reevaluate this if I need to but I trust Ali to know how reliable eir meta reads are and ey're indignant about this. I actually thought maria might have been a mason in d5 for a moment over it.

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:56 am

gamma lvl w me why have you played the fruit mechanic so antitown? you must have a broader reasoning than just like.. wanting fruits

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:02 am

Ali is like making a really conspicuous effort to try and steer fruits to be used/not used in the most +ev way ey can - I guess I'm wondering why you don't care about em taking the lead

it's less important tho - what are your reads like atm? could you talk to me about why Maria is scum?

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:15 am

Ali said she had Maria and her scumteam caught while spectating MLP, which was one of the most brain melting games I've experienced personally. Again I trust Ali to know when eir meta abilities are legit. Ey'd also be wary of the fact that scum need to play to pocket em.

Gamma if you can't pump out some believable towny content you'll be today's lynch. We have a free mislynch, if you're town not playing the game you're probably the optimal way to spend it.

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:40 am

VOTE: Dann

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:05 pm

In post 12600, Alisae wrote:im following wooper around

ali => me => the scums

Wooper · Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:05 pm

i'll b sure to let u all kno when this phase can end

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:09 am

Can you give me a quick rundown of your case on scum!ceph?

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:44 am

Sorry for stalling this out so much. Things only get spicier in this kind of stalled gamestate.

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:46 am

How so

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:50 am

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:07 am

I think there's 1+ scum in {Ceph, ico}

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:08 am

I'm back to wanting Ico Ali.

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:26 am

In post 12667, Cephrir wrote:
In post 12664, Alisae wrote:dann!flip
yall have taken abusing this!formatting to another level

ceph!snark is playstyle!offensive to my modern!style

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:29 pm

give up on the fruit, pine's playing hard to get and that is

ALWAYS

bad news.

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:49 pm

titus got vigfruit and used it on pops and it was TRAUMATISING

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:50 pm

fireb got the now-spoiled governor fruit

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:51 pm

chickadee got a neighbouriser fruit and used it on dann, she was v v likely the vigkill unfortunately

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:51 pm

d1 - neighbouriser fruit to chickadee??
d2 - governor fruit to firebringer
d3 - thingy fruit to pp
d4 - vig fruit to titus
d5 - rolecop fruit spoiled

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:10 pm

In post 12686, Dunnstral wrote:I'm fine with lynching dann

I think we should ignore the fruit

+2

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:20 pm

In post 12709, Dannflor wrote:I feel like I have those same interactions with fire every time regardless of either of our alignments

sorting fire rn is like moonwalking all the way to the moon
let's start small and PoE him

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:26 pm

In post 12712, Firebringer wrote:
In post 12711, Wooper wrote:
In post 12709, Dannflor wrote:I feel like I have those same interactions with fire every time regardless of either of our alignments
sorting fire rn is like moonwalking all the way to the moon
let's start small and PoE him
its really not tho

can you towncase fireb for me

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:10 pm

In post 12716, Firebringer wrote:I feel like countering whatever iconeum says is scummy about me, but the only things I found was him saying I was shading him, which is buzzwords for "he scumreads me", and a thing about my push on him was because I thought he was a more realistic lynch than gamma emerald, which makes me go ???? does he townread gamma now? did I miss something there. I am lazy someone tell me if he townreads gamma because that is only way that line of logic makes sense of why I would push him over gamma in his mind.

anyways, yeah that's pretty much not true, I scumread iconeum more than gamma because I think my mind is way closer to iconeum conf scum by the way he has acted in this game than gamma.

My points on gamma are:
> Absent minded towards game and eternally in catchup
> No real discernable scumreads
> He questions things and isn't really interested in answers

and my feeling on those are like only one of them hard tells me that is a good scum indication, but even then I am like....eh maybe it isn't that good.

My reasoning on iconeum:
> eternally locked out of game and playing catchup
> no reason to be apathetic given the recent scum lynch, but is playing as though he is.
> interactions with players don't make sense in a general kind of way of solving.
> he could be playing to the crowd, I see that in general ways like just this page he is agreeing with alisae on 'scum theatre' when that isn't even scum theatre.
> and yeah heavy on the never mentioning engaging with penguin except to call him town, and nothing when he got voted by penguin. With a iso as empty as penguin, if I was iconeum, I would be heavy looking into that and iconeum been very reactionary with my vote. So that's a huge red flag.

SO yeah, I am more sure on iconeum.

Anyone hve questions?

nope

i strongly agree that iconeum's mindset isn't consistent with town in such an exciting gamestate
like we fucking broke out of xylo
that's fucking wild

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:11 pm

he also doesn't really have any urgency in fixing up his reads after i pointed out they're utter shite

Wooper · Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:19 pm

Mmm fair
Dann lynch is worth it

Wooper · Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:18 pm

In post 12735, Alisae wrote:like this is scum trying to mislynch a townie my wooperling!

I'm biased by having agreed w a lot of it at face value I knowwwwww

ok

we lynch dann

If he's green we can have a dialogue about Iconeum tomorrow. then lynch him.

Wooper · Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:32 am

did u miss me being cleared or :{

any thoughts on mena's pretty limited scumrange & broken scum tonality?
why hard town on gamma? fireb i maybe get

Wooper · Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:03 pm

fine w any of {Fireb, Dann, Ico}
think dann is vaguely better for gamestate analysis

think fireb removes a serious threat from the game who has been basically refusing to be readable up to & including xylo and has only started playing urgently now

don't think ico is likely to play harder or become more readable

I just realised fireb is the best lynch today LOL

Wooper · Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:34 pm

it would be my pleasure.

Wooper · Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:34 pm

wonder if dann realised I'm cleared

Wooper · Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:08 pm

i need blood at this point
sorry for getting boring

Wooper · Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:14 pm

wooper evolves by devouring the blood of scums.

Wooper · Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:14 pm

(only after level 14 tho)

Wooper · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:03 pm

i'll defend you alisae

Wooper · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:05 pm

Wooper · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:52 pm

that post is not scummy at all

Wooper · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:05 pm

gamma that's how i feel about you rn

Wooper · Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:02 am

VOTE: fireb duty called.

Wooper · Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:02 am

feel better fireb.
I'm not married to this lynch but I want blood a lot.

Wooper · Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:03 am

:c I'm gonna bring you water and painkillers hang tight warmpuppy

Wooper · Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:19 am

In post 13177, Dannflor wrote:i rlly wish you'd lynched me today

same

Wooper · Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:23 am

now we have to get pine drunk and make him submit a NK in the PoE

Wooper · Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:23 am

sorry that was meant for the super secret double mason pt

Wooper · Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:25 am

Hilariously I'm actually nervous dann is the game losing mislynch but he'll probably end up living as late in this game as possible I'm so sorry dann

Wooper · Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:41 pm

fingers crossed

Wooper · Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:22 pm

just swingin' by to say i still love pine's theatrics.

Wooper · Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:24 pm

Can we all just like have a nice open dialogue about iconeum tomorrow, and then lynch him?

he doesn't use discord super reliably, it kinda just dawned on me his uninformed pop-ins might actually come from scum!him

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:22 am

YO VOTE: MariaR GUESS WHO HASN'T READ DAYSTART

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:27 am

In post 13250, Alisae wrote:Either way look.
wooper, mena, ss town
Pink Ball I am also saying is town because Pine told me so and I believe him.
and Iconeum is just being pushed by scum

can we lynch quickly and end the game?
I want to get yelled at by literally the whole playerlist now

agree w core town
also think pb is town, good reasoning

fireb informed flip doesn't really make sense; I think it's more likely clearing of a remaining TPR but I can't really back this with any more logic. idk I just think pb's town these days it looks good on me

not sold on. Icon as town tbh I don't think he's been pushed in a threatening/sketchy way that spews him town

Not sure about dann/krazzy. still think both slots are perfectly liable to be scum lol they've gone back to kinda not interacting I don't think town!dann takes such a fucking bad faith push and just lets it slide bc a noisy player repped into the slot; objectively I'm very surprised he let d6 end without a ceph lynch

Ceph still isn't towny I'm just like ...... less sure ........

Dann is probably scum tho

I still just don't think Maria is playing towny here; outside of you pulling rank on "I can read Maria and this is her damn towngame" I'm not really interested in considering her town unless I see it cased :U PoEish but she's surface scummy but I'm also fine with this being a PoE read

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:28 am

In post 13252, Alisae wrote:Cephir made a horrible case for Icon so Cephir is also scum
Dann is scum because if he was town he would still put effort into lynching that slot or try as hard as he could to get that slot to be lynched. It wouldn't make him townie, but its just the right thing to do.
Firebringer flip as well as a recently finished game suggests to me that this isn't town!Maria's lategame. She does stuff here.

oops
yeah
all of this stuff you just said

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:35 am

In post 13256, Iconeum wrote:This post shades both Wooper and me wrt our voting on FB. Why? Because at this point scum know they can probably get a mislynch on FB, but need another one tomorrow (today). I'm 100% certain in the scum shortlist, but I think scum make this play to open up a possible lynch on Wooper through WIFOM. Menal uses his deepwolf status to do this.

short term I'm cleared (and also very towny) and I think scum are wary enough of the gamestate that I'm not a viable mislynch

long-term if there's paranoia on me it's gonna be augmented by me posting poorly / not posting and is gonna manifest more naturally without shading - he's not using powers of inception to whisper sweet scummy nothings into the ears of us good townies - he's stating paranoia. If he's scum this accomplishes nothing and idk what agenda you're really seeing here

In post 13256, Iconeum wrote:And now hedging his read on Wooper: 'He's unlikely scum, and he shouldn't be lynched. At least not until LYLO. Like, not lynch at all. Except in LYLO. Maybe'. This is an entire lategame minded post designed to explain his LYLO vote on Wooper.

Is this a serious take? This is ridiculous and scum!Mena always loses an attempt to mislynch me late-game; if he's suggesting I'm scum you have to accept that I pocketed Ali ridiculously well and then Pine voluntarily stepped out of XyLo. This kinda reasoning doesn't gel with what's actually happening Ico.

pedit: hold on

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:36 am

In post 13273, Alisae wrote:
In post 13271, Wooper wrote:I still just don't think Maria is playing towny here; outside of you pulling rank on "I can read Maria and this is her damn towngame" I'm not really interested in considering her town unless I see it cased :U PoEish but she's surface scummy but I'm also fine with this being a PoE read
why does town!mariaR say she doesn't want to repeat the day phase 2 days ago to try and get us to not lynch PP?

omg she was my nemesis in lynching scum and I forgot

Fuck d6

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:39 am

Ceph's case is scummier than Ico's ass is towny

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:39 am

Alright I'll take it
Maria => Ceph => cry very loudly irl

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:44 am

Pine is baller enough to tell the truth about that and smart enough to lie about that.

Yo Ali didn't pine say something about a jinglenet message he shouldn't have been able to see at some point?

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:46 am

I'll analyse it when I'm home. I think you should put 0 serious weight into it. It might be true. It might not. It's more an interesting titbit than anything that will win the game.

Pine definitely meant it to impact you/other vca fans lol I should actually vca a little

pedit: I'm not really sure sorry

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:47 am

I seem to remember him being privy to a private message I'd seen. I wondered if it might be of value but if it's off your radar, prolly not.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:52 am

I'm flashing back to restless goats
Scum!jjh was objectively caught but was kind of able to post and he like kept trying to instil paranoia really delicately in our minds

Dann and I nearly lost by overthinking the final mislynch (goddamn I wish dann was town here); pine and Mastina basically kicked us in the face and told us not to get paranoid or listen to caught scum

Stuff like e.g. jjh's "I wonder how many scummies this game will get nommed for" were like... surprisingly headfucky. I wouldn't be surprised if Pine takes the opportunity to lie on those more impactful posts, and stays honest on the ones which are less important.

Just kinda thinking aloud

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:54 am

so firstly: if the wagon comment is true Maria is necessarily town?

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:55 am

WHAT IF WE ARE THE DEEPWOLVES

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:07 am

MariaR,

Katsuki

, Krazy, Iconeum,

PenguinPower

,

Firebringer

, Menalque, Gamma Emerald,
Gamma Emerald,

PenguinPower

, Dannflor, Pink Ball,

the worst

, Menalque, MariaR,
‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪Menalque‬, ‪MariaR‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪

the worst

‬,
‪

the worst

‬, ‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪Krazy‬, ‪MariaR‬, ‪Gamma Emerald‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪Dannflor‬

accept MariaR is undeniably town via being on all wagons

MariaR

,

Katsuki

, Krazy, Iconeum,

PenguinPower

,

Firebringer

, Menalque, Gamma Emerald,
Gamma Emerald,

PenguinPower

, Dannflor, Pink Ball,

the worst

, Menalque,

MariaR

,
‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪Menalque‬, ‪

MariaR

‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪

the worst

‬,
‪

the worst

‬, ‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪Krazy‬, ‪

MariaR

‬, ‪Gamma Emerald‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪Dannflor‬

either all of {Krazy, GEm, Dann} are town or Menalque is town. working off the simpler

MariaR

,

Katsuki

, Krazy, Iconeum,

PenguinPower

,

Firebringer

,

Menalque

, Gamma Emerald,
Gamma Emerald,

PenguinPower

, Dannflor, Pink Ball,

the worst

,

Menalque

,

MariaR

,
‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪

Menalque

‬, ‪

MariaR

‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪

the worst

‬,
‪

the worst

‬, ‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪Krazy‬, ‪

MariaR

‬, ‪Gamma Emerald‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪Dannflor‬

Gamma Emerald is confirmed scum with either {Krazy, Ico} or {Dann, PB}

working off the more complex:

MariaR

,

Katsuki

,

Krazy

, Iconeum,

PenguinPower

,

Firebringer

, Menalque,

Gamma Emerald

,

Gamma Emerald

,

PenguinPower

,

Dannflor

, Pink Ball,

the worst

, Menalque,

MariaR

,
‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪Menalque‬, ‪

MariaR

‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪

the worst

‬,
‪

the worst

‬, ‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪

Krazy

‬, ‪

MariaR

‬, ‪

Gamma Emerald

‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪

Dannflor

‬

doesn't work
meaning if this statement was true, GEm is scum with either {Krazy,Ico} or {Dann,PB}

honestly, neither are impossible.

back in the "maybe?" bucket.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:08 am

In post 13287, Alisae wrote:There is one scum in {Pink Ball, Mena, PP}
There is one scum in {Krazy, Iconeum}

but yes
it conflicts with these.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:11 am

In post 11830, Wooper wrote:
In post 11750, Jingle wrote:
Vote Count 5.10
Flavor.

With 12 alive, it is 7 to Lynch or 6 to No Lynch!

PenguinPower (2): MariaR, Pink Ball,
Cephrir (1): Dannflor,
Firebringer (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Something_Smart (0):
MariaR (0):
the worst (0):
Iconeum (0):
Pink Ball (0):
Dannflor (0):
Dunnstral (0):
Menalque (0):

Ailisa is endorsing: Penguin Power

Not Voting (10): Firebringer, Cephrir, PenguinPower, Iconeum, Dunnstral, Menalque, Something_Smart, wooper, Gamma Emerald,

Deadline: Day 5 will end after 10 days, on October 21st. This is in (expired on 2019-10-21 12:00:00).

It is now MYLO.
Pine is offering a Rolecop Fruit. Wooper and Iconeum are bargaining for it.
Pine is offering a Vigilante Fruit. Dunnstral is bargaining for it.
This may come as a shock, but it is not in fact D1. I'll be fixing the deadline in previous votecounts to reflect this.

In post 11755, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: PP

In post 11775, Wooper wrote:VOTE: PP

I wouldn't encourage taking the L if anyone is scum
Pine is holding that rolecop fruit for a reason

In post 11777, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 11739, Cephrir wrote:
Spoiler: Job Application for Gamma
Dear Mr. Emerald,

Attached please find my resume. I look forward 2 working with u and hope 2 hear from u soon.

In post 11371, Krazy wrote:
In post 11356, Dannflor wrote:I know it's not a guilty

Why would Ank choose Buffy other than that it was a joke
why would Ank choose movies when she doesn't even watch them

but okay, why if you are town, are you not pushing Mena? Who else could she have plausibly hid behind?

Like you continue to want to just drop it altogether but this is mylo and there is no reason to argue that it's a bad time to talk about a mech guilty
there's clear town motivation to wanting to figure this out still, and it does sound strange on the face of it that someone would want to dismiss this even though i, an enlightened one, agree

In post 11373, Krazy wrote:
In post 11370, Dannflor wrote:THAT'S NOT TOWN POSTING

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO SAY TO THAT

if you're town you are confbiasing to the extreme here and it's actually ridiculous
you came in and said that I stopped tunneling you for political reasons when MASTINA was happening

that's so insane and laughable I refuse to believe you would drop that shade as town dude, there's no way. That's such a gross and incomprehensible misrepresentation it frankly is astonishing.
i like emotion in general but sure theres not too much here

In post 11375, Krazy wrote:
In post 11372, Dannflor wrote:I didn't say "lol pop in" after you started making posts with content
Yeah instead you said it IMMEDIATELY after I make my first post of the day

give me a break, if you want to interact with me why the fuck would you immediately go to poisoning the well?
if this has any basis in reality it makes me suspect dan but idk if he's just so tunnelled at this point he sees everything as an unreasonable attack

In post 11378, Krazy wrote:
In post 11374, Dannflor wrote:I am pushing Mena

read my posts maybe
okay then why the fuck is your argument "WHY DID THIS BECOME A GUILTY" and not "actually I think it's Mena"?

Why do you launch immediately into defensiveness?
seems like a good question 2 me, and the sort of thing that tends to come from someone who's super tunnelled

In post 11379, Krazy wrote:
In post 11377, Wooper wrote:who's pushing you in bad faith then? where do you see the scum dogpile?
Maybe an entire page of people coming in and shitting on Dunn for townreading me?
im not sure how it isnt self evident that this is the type of thing that comes from someone whos actually frustrated
not that scum dont have real emotion sometimes but frustration with feeling incorrectly scumread by everyone is an experience i can relate to and im not sure i get as grumpy about it if it's correct

In post 11386, Krazy wrote:
In post 11384, Wooper wrote:why did you like...not give a shit about lynching dann or following through on the mech guilty until now if you felt so strongly about it? i've p much convinced myself she hid behind nacho
I was still thinking about it and wanted to have a conversation with people I was thinking might be scum on why they were willing to entertain both Dann and Mena being town. I misunderstood one of your confusing posts earlier that included a weird thought experiment where they were both town but then you said it was just a weird post. Then I started asking Pink Ball about his reasoning and Ali decided I didn't want to play the game because asking questions instead of leading a lynch is scummy now, since you know, it involves mech.

Prove me wrong. Why would Ank hide behind someone she basically never mentions?
And while you're at it, why are you not scum for joining in the "oh no krazy is talking about mech" bullshit? Why do you want to ignore a guilty or displace it onto something that there is zero reason to think happened?
i would townread the bold if i were not playing in the slot

In post 11390, Krazy wrote:
In post 11383, Dannflor wrote:Why isn't Mena more likely the guilty from your perspective? It feels like you switched that to fit this narrative you're pushing about me.

If this is how you feel why did you not join me on Mena ever until now? Why did you only flip your read on Mena when he flipped his read of you?
these questions seem like real scumhunting

In post 11393, Krazy wrote:
In post 11388, Wooper wrote:this feels like an ace you've been keeping in your sleeve, not like believable trajectory.
we're in a spot where it's distinctly beneficial for scum to play all their cards
town!you abso-fucking-lutely actually makes an effort to play this in better faith than you've played it here
Maybe because if I express uncertainty about it or ask people their opinions I'm accused of only talking about mech? And in fact people have been piggybacking on mastina pushing back against me having mech? And I just had to deal with a townflip from someone who accused me of only talking about THIS VERY MECH?

So now it's a guilty. Prove me wrong. I don't give a fuck if you like my "trajectory" this game has been a shitshow and now I'm making a decision. At this point the town needs some level of direction.
again this frustration comes across town
this might be the towniest post in the whole batch - "deal with a townflip" is probably a turn of phrase scum avoid and the last paragraph is v real

In post 11394, Krazy wrote:Oh okay

so if I talk about it I get all caps

but if I don't talk about it it's not a real trajectory
more of the same

In post 11395, Krazy wrote:You know what this game literally isn't worth it, I'm going to really start losing you here duck so I'm just going to write this off as alignment shit and call it a game.
why would scum get frustrated enough to replace out of a game they're winning this hard?

Please feel free to call me with any further questions. Thank u 4 ur time.
This stuff looks pretty solid. Especially the last point, I've had that on my mind a little myself, more along the lines of "what made him replace out now of all times"?
Also VOTE: PP

In post 11779, Cephrir wrote:
In post 11777, Gamma Emerald wrote:This stuff looks pretty solid.
ngl im surprised you had a positive response to that i feel like everything i said could easily be gleaned from reading the posts! but ok!

VOTE: PP because Glorious Leader has spoken
This wagon shld be telling

just a reminder of this, i like this

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:12 am

In post 13294, Wooper wrote:MariaR,
Katsuki
, Krazy, Iconeum,
PenguinPower
,
Firebringer
, Menalque, Gamma Emerald,
Gamma Emerald,
PenguinPower
, Dannflor, Pink Ball,
the worst
, Menalque, MariaR,
‪
Katsuki
‬, ‪Menalque‬, ‪MariaR‬, ‪
Firebringer
‬, ‪
the worst
‬,
‪
the worst
‬, ‪
Katsuki
‬, ‪Krazy‬, ‪MariaR‬, ‪Gamma Emerald‬, ‪
Firebringer
‬, ‪Dannflor‬

accept MariaR is undeniably town via being on all wagons

MariaR
,
Katsuki
, Krazy, Iconeum,
PenguinPower
,
Firebringer
, Menalque, Gamma Emerald,
Gamma Emerald,
PenguinPower
, Dannflor, Pink Ball,
the worst
, Menalque,
MariaR
,
‪
Katsuki
‬, ‪Menalque‬, ‪
MariaR
‬, ‪
Firebringer
‬, ‪
the worst
‬,
‪
the worst
‬, ‪
Katsuki
‬, ‪Krazy‬, ‪
MariaR
‬, ‪Gamma Emerald‬, ‪
Firebringer
‬, ‪Dannflor‬

either all of {Krazy, GEm, Dann} are town or Menalque is town. working off the simpler

MariaR
,
Katsuki
, Krazy, Iconeum,
PenguinPower
,
Firebringer
,
Menalque
, Gamma Emerald,
Gamma Emerald,
PenguinPower
, Dannflor, Pink Ball,
the worst
,
Menalque
,
MariaR
,
‪
Katsuki
‬, ‪
Menalque
‬, ‪
MariaR
‬, ‪
Firebringer
‬, ‪
the worst
‬,
‪
the worst
‬, ‪
Katsuki
‬, ‪Krazy‬, ‪
MariaR
‬, ‪Gamma Emerald‬, ‪
Firebringer
‬, ‪Dannflor‬

Gamma Emerald is confirmed scum with either {Krazy, Ico} or {Dann, PB}

working off the more complex:

MariaR
,
Katsuki
,
Krazy
, Iconeum,
PenguinPower
,
Firebringer
, Menalque,
Gamma Emerald
,

Gamma Emerald
,
PenguinPower
,
Dannflor
, Pink Ball,
the worst
, Menalque,
MariaR
,
‪
Katsuki
‬, ‪Menalque‬, ‪
MariaR
‬, ‪
Firebringer
‬, ‪
the worst
‬,
‪
the worst
‬, ‪
Katsuki
‬, ‪
Krazy
‬, ‪
MariaR
‬, ‪
Gamma Emerald
‬, ‪
Firebringer
‬, ‪
Dannflor
‬

doesn't work
meaning if this statement was true, GEm is scum with either {Krazy,Ico} or {Dann,PB}

honestly, neither are impossible.

back in the "maybe?" bucket.

actually realistically if i was scum a {PP, PB, Mena, tw} team could exist with town!Gamma
otherwise it defs conflicts with the all town/all scum wagon comment

agree - this is useless - but i love colouring things in

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:14 am

i said it first >:c
but yeah the flurry of votes & scumflip has me like
............ lol

they defs wanted in on this

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:14 am

i am sure i coloured the d1 vote counts for gamma but i can't find them :{

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:15 am

that also lines up with my reads, largely.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:18 am

Spoiler: found it : D

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:22 am

PenguinPower

(6): MariaR, Pink Ball,

wooper

, Gamma Emerald, Cephrir, Dannflor,

Not Voting

(6):

Firebringer

,

PenguinPower

, Iconeum,

Dunnstral

, Menalque,

Something_Smart

,

^ coloured mechanically

PenguinPower

(6): MariaR,

Pink Ball

,

wooper

, Gamma Emerald, Cephrir, Dannflor,

Not Voting

(6):

Firebringer

,

PenguinPower

, Iconeum,

Dunnstral

,

Menalque

,

Something_Smart

,

incl. townreads we agree on

PenguinPower

(6):

MariaR

,

Pink Ball

,

wooper

,

Gamma Emerald

, Cephrir, Dannflor,

Not Voting

(6):

Firebringer

,

PenguinPower

, Iconeum,

Dunnstral

,

Menalque

,

Something_Smart

,

incl. very likely redflips

possibility of a perfect bus here if you're reads are on point. :U

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:43 am

if there's exactly 1 scum there? yeeeah

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:50 am

I hereby sacrifice my sleep on the shrine of the great Titus:
please bless our last ditch analysis on this blessed day

Spoiler: d1

Spoiler: d2

Spoiler: d3

Spoiler: d4

Spoiler: d5

Spoiler: d6

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:06 am

out of respect -

ank

Ankamius

Alisae

Chickadee

Aristophanes

The worst

Firebringer

Greyice

Skygazer

MariaR

Untrod Tripod

Krazy

DrippingGoofball

Xofelf

Pink Ball

Katsuki

Formerfish

PenguinPower

Jjh927

Popsofctown

Gamma Emerald
Iconeum
Dannflor

Mastina

chennisden

Menalque

Lady Lambdadelta

Pine

jjh927

Townreads:

GreyICE

Dannflor

Formerfish

Firebringer

the worst

Gamma Emerald

popsofctown

Townleans

Katsuki

mastina

MariaR

Chickadee

Iconeum

Null

Pink Ball

PenguinPower

Titus

chennisden

Scumleans

DrippingGoofball

Menalque
Krazy

Scumreads

xofelf

Aristophanes

skipping fishy can't find a digestible readlist (SORRY FISHY you know ilu)
elsa for the same reason i skipped nacho, ali if you have jay's reads hmu but he was town who just rep'd in so i doubt he had many really

me when i was targeted:

Dann town / not s/s with ceph

scumreads on:
{pb,dann,GEm} ~ bus equity?
ceph
maria

pp

+ called the PP wagon telling

(sorry it's hard to get back inside my brain back then so much was happening so fast)

i think dunn was a mechkill because he couldn't be docced but if you have his reads i'd like them ali

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:08 am

common themes on jjh/ank:

scumread/lean mena
townread/lean maria

kinda grey what happened n1 w ank; whether or not she was the scum kill i respect her reads a LOT and she was obviously >rand here

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:46 am

572 shade towards {ari,chenn,dgb} fluff response to pp
582 wants to battle my reads later. defends jh against ank. fireb town. calls chenn's "opportunistic mena" comment pot/kettle. shades ari. town dann.
584 fb, chick, dann town (rule of 3s if ico is scum +1 partner equity to dann). game too big for more opinions. vanity votes chenn (vs. wagons

tw

,

fireb

, mena,

xof

,

ari

,

chick

) - .... towny vote i think
585 will fight me before reading me
590 fireb not scum for pine/fruit intxns
593 double down on dann tr for seeing opportunistic chenn
594 read on chick is tone; this read isn't ai
985 presses chennis for more info
986 gamma pinging (this callout makes me think they're not aligned)
1004 missed chennis mason claim; doesn't move vote - how serious was chennis mason claim d1? i missed it. ΅

worth noting gamma makes the "i'm an easy target because i'm behind" argument; iconeum is ~equally behind but is advancing the gamestate. still voting chenn. sits there til EOD. sits vanity voting (or 1/2 with pops) til EOD.

1038 i kinda pushed him off GEm; he's still pushing chenn
1510 reminder that GEm/chenn are sketchy and chenn is UTR. lld wagon forming at {GICE, tw, kats, krazzy, jjh} => {GICE, tw, kats, krazzy, ank, pops}

if icon is scum he was probably hoping to swing a wagon over lld but his townread of her was pretty ineffectual and the chennwagon remained vanity. not sure he was trying anything fancy here; i'm not sure scum!icon wouldn't have just voted one of the established wagons. regardless; opening lld wagon is insanely pure and i think if ico/lld is a thing krazzy actually was probably town ;s

1517 shade fishy for defence of gamma; kinda odd standard since iirc i defended gamma for flimsy reasons d1 as well. i was the one ico was keen to fight. this never eventuated. but i was v/la
1523 not really interested in engaging with fishy
2160 is like a proper ico deathtunnel, he's kind of finding it hard to focus on having other reads (deflective towards me/fishy; hot and cold on GEm...)
2167 doesn't really see scum!LLD & defends her on wifom. we saw a lot of emotive defences of LLD d1 (ari xof etc.) who have flipped town. this one actually feels like a kinda convoluted reason to townread someone.
2175 turns down request to vote LLD

at this point LLD wagon is {

greyice

,

tw

,

kats

, krazzy,

ank

,

fishy

,

pops

, mariar, dann} so it ~could~ be getting dirty; there's reason to avoid as both alignments imo

2204 heavily appeals to ali not to make a mistake; remains fairly ineffectual in gamestate
2212 calls LLD for comments on her scum!pops read ("Gut, mostly. It's just there and it won't go and he's too cheeky and nope scum scum scum")
2216 calls LLD for her gamma/me reads (after we're omitted from her scumreads) ("Gamma town as hell. Worst is kind of weird and middling.")

ico never responds to her responses in quotation marks in parentheses; i don't really get why he asked these questions

2220 emotionally defends LLD for making a scummy claim; again mechanical defence of her is probably closer to s/s indicative than the emotive defences we saw from other slots. "why would scum!LLD do that~~~?"
2228 i'm quoting: "I'm 100% sure there are players in this list that are extremely hard to read. If you give commuter to town, why not give it to someone very much capable of obvtowning down the road? I don't know LLD but from what i've seen I think she's probabllllyy capable of doing so". greyice responsd to this with this. iconeum ignores greyice.
2232 @fireb "me asking questions all game is NAI"
2269 after GICE asks ico whether he learned anything from being hardcore pocketed in a recent towngame: he learned not to blindly assume someone is town just because they are defending you. don't think he catches the point that GICE was calling for elaboration on LLD read.
2289 scumcase on chenn is like, buzzwords...he wants chenn lynched because he smells bad and yet LLD is town who claimed a scum power role and per GICE meta check is capable of obvtowning later in the game AS SCUM but ico doesn't need to respond to this - just remember this double standard.

then gone til mid-d3

ali......

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:49 am

when it hits the crunch ico:
1) vanity votes chennisden, who he can't string a tangible scumcase together on.
2) applies a gaping doublestandard to flailing scum LLD
3) camps vanity wagon & refuses to join wagon with {mariar,dann} as recent entrants
4) can't focus on requests to go deeper on his read of LLD; ignores GICE's meta check against his townread on LLD
5) struggles to have other tangible relevant reads except scum!chenn (which is a crap read on LHF) and a hardcore townread on LLD (now flipped scum)

we need to have a dialogue about this.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:52 am

UNVOTE:

it's half past midnight and i am w i i i p e d
and i have a lot of work tomorrow

i'll try my best. this phase may end up lagging a lil.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:05 am

In post 13357, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 13260, Alisae wrote:I'm sorry I'm not interested in lynching town
Hey here’s an idea
Maybe don’t just stick to your shitty reads after you’ve been proven wrong, and instead actually try to, you know, play the game?

culture of shitting on the IC ends today gamma.
if you're unhappy with the solve, do something to fix it. if you'd like inspiration, watch my discomfort on the communal Ico read and take inspiration.

I'd personally fucking love to see some ass kicking out of you.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:23 am

same deal w his big case on me
i called him out on how shit it was; he doesn't reply except to say he did full disclosure w it
#9788 says "Mastina flipping town we really need to lynch that duck tomorrow (or, you know, other solutions)" after not reevaluating
come mylo he's stopped pushing, slips back to a mechsolve asking for mason claims (lol)

10674 probs makes most sense if he's scum with 1-2 of {mariar, pb} and the scumteam have acknowledged pp's lynchability. pp was in antispew so i'm basically working off the assumption that at SOME level scum were preparing to distance from pp.
10676 shade fireb for fluffposting @ pien
10678 GEm "a lot more effort to sort, and genuine feeling in this" when compared to . . . ? i think 10292 & 10297 are kinda derptowny from gamma in this post but the others idrc about. actually think i agree with 10294 (from gamma) but not sure it's towny. i wouldn't call this genuine feeling or effort to sort tbh it's just..aloof and ponderous
10679 basically swinging in to push kats after i laid out the case....
10680 asking why i am not pushing kats ...... (and for mason claims)
10687 kinda derptowny but not in a clearing way; this was one of the popins i liked ali.
10690 preoccupation with mason claim..
10713 don't really think this is a towny pop-in anymore; it's derpy but in a way that makes me think he's not trying to work out if i'm s/s with kats (which i assume would be the function of town!ico asking the question)
10746 is the ... 4th ? time he mentions pp that i can find quickly, regardless it's not many:-

Spoiler:

pp remains lowest lynch; top two are kats & fire when his kats read is literally the fact i'm pushing scum!kats (despite the fact he's not comfortable w me suggesting kats is scum) and fire who he hasn't tried to earnestly case; he's kind of ... accepted i'm not to be lynched or something idrk i think i was townreading him at this point as well

not sure where the dann lynch suggestion here comes from actually.

10749 reason for SRing pp is mech; fireb is scum for coasting thru lylo : \
10752 townreads PP for claiming through gifs . . . . .
10753/11088 doesn't think it's likely we have 2 docs; no stated read on maria but 11091 doesn't really see benefit of town fakeclaiming doc
11104 i don't knowwww if i have any feelingssss about thissss
11107 lemme get a coffee and -
11403 appear 3/4 an hr later having skipped dann vs. krazy
11416 back to townreading dann; need to check for dann mentions in ISO. fireb is scum because his reads look set in stone and he just wants to lynch who he wants. given mason!kats pushes fireb to the top of his lynchpile i'm wondering where the case or enthusiasm for this lynch is.
11417 hot take alert - {krazy,dann,gamma} aren't all scum? he still wants to lynch fireb (mislynch who he hasn't evaluated or cased), then gamma. because krazy/dann felt very natural to him. : ] isn't that nice ~!
11420 reads up on 30pgs at a time but his reads don't tend to change; not really any public catchup; his time is spent reading and then interacting with the thread. there doesn't seem to be tangible reevaluation pretty much anywhere tbh. he wants the rolecop fruit.
11429 is getting a quote:-

In post 11429, Iconeum wrote:I think Krazy is town here, because I can relate to his feelings. He was being called scum for not pushing reads, which he would do as town. But this is a hard game to 'work in', and once you guys started playing with each other, you could really see Krazy get into his element. Yeah, I townread that.

GE felt more survivalistic, focusing more on not being scumread then actually scumhunting.

Dann, I don't know. His meta push on Krazy was good, but once Krazy started what should be towntelling for Dann: basicly playing the game, he wasn't reconsidering. This could very much be scum.

3rd paragraph particularly: the fact he doesn't find this concerning on krazy's part disturbs me.

11435 agrees scum!krazy should be simulating what's expected of him but townreads krazy for an nai-to-maybe-scum-indicative post about the IC stump gaslighting townies
11459 wants to start voting - check for read eval

misses pp flashwagon

sod6:
11939 ... this was his first consideration; nothing about flipped scum, missing the flashwagon, his read on PP gradually getting worse, just.. not getting the fruit
from a mindset perspective this tells me the rolecop is on his mind which means there's a v good chance he's been thinking about the rolecop fruit; whether scum used it or decided not to due to side effects or w/e. i didn't get it, i think pine said there's drawbacks from not giving it out. it works at that level.

idk exactly what the solve is with scum!ico but he reads w/w with both flipped scum.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:28 am

In post 13350, Alisae wrote:how is his team playing around his slot?

bluntly I don't have a team yet.
I need to talk through Ico because I don't have this sorted and I don't trust him.

he still looks s/s with krazy - I sincerely don't think Ceph actually thought he had the charisma or influence to pull off a lynch on ico. The read feels slimy. I agree it's more scum indicative for Ceph than ico but no part of it makes me want to discount w/w. It's a mislynch case or it's tmi. if it's tmi he wants it to look like a mislynch case because ico is a deep wolf ftpov your reads. I seriously don't think it's clearing.

final wolf: not sure yet.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:32 am

In post 13366, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t want to shit on the IC but it’s damn clear e’s not playing the game to win. I feel like Ciera Easton in Survivor Second Chances rn

Alright let's put it this way.
How many slots are in the game?
How many slots do you have control over?
Is Alisae that one slot?
No.

Shitting on em for not having a perfect solve when you're POE scum for doing sweet fuck all isn't a pot/kettle situation. it's either shamefully disrespecting the effort Ali is putting into the game, or it's scum manipulation (which is admirable, but truly shockingly bad play here).

If you're not happy with the gamestate, you have the power to fix it. And you fix it by being productive and playing to your wincon. Not by shitting on other people for playing to theirs.

duckie OUT *drops mic*

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:35 am

In post 13367, Alisae wrote:Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

PP wasn't onwagon
I don't think it's clearing; d1 scum directive clearly wasn't "DROP A NUKE ON OUT TEAMMATE THE STRONGEST SCUM PLAYER ONSITE WHO HAS A STRONG SCUM POWER ROLE"

I'd rather talk about the way he defended and spoke to her and ignored when he was called to reconsider his read on her rn. I think it was a fake read; don't think I can guess the exact scum plan of attack to d1 but I know to lynch a phoney read on flipped scum.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:38 am

In post 13381, Dannflor wrote:The one point for town!Ico here is that his presence was so low that I can't believe he actually thought he'd have any sort of affect on the LLD wagon. Striking out on his own is ballsy.

it's a point. I considered the vote somewhat towny on reread until I realised he vanitywagonsits Chenn who he cased in extremely bad faith

while defending LLD and refusing to check that read. it's not sitting right rn.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:39 am

In post 13393, Dannflor wrote:
In post 13383, Wooper wrote:11104 i don't knowwww if i have any feelingssss about thissss
It can be written off as NAI either way but also works as a form of PR fishing for a portion of the setup the scum team would be greatly interested in

or just derpy!town but I feel like it's a stretch to read all of Ico as derpy!town

basically yeah I feel like it should be AI but idk which one it is

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:40 am

In post 13397, Gamma Emerald wrote:Menalque. And do you want me to summarize the case or write my own thoughts?

Own thoughts on this would be gr8 pls

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:43 am

In post 13401, Alisae wrote:Wooper Icon was being voted by Ceph and Dann D6
MariaR was voting Dann
Gamma and Icon were voting Fire

at like a factual level this tells us Icon kept tunnelling town after the dann/krazy debacle whicu I actually asked him to have an opinion on; both dann and Ceph dropped their fight (???) to vote ico (not sure what it means for dann, you already know I think the possibility of ceph distancing from ico is high).

need to check whether ico has revisited krazy/cephslot since the last townread I mentioned tbh

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:44 am

In post 13424, Dannflor wrote:Gamma!

Please stop arguing with Alisae! It's not going to make this game easier! What can make this game easier is you focusing on playing it!

Thank you!

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:49 am

Danny~ Gammy~ if town is about to fall off a cliff we need you guys to save us!

I'm gonna sleep now so I don't die but if the poe team including both of you is wrong we need to lean on you guys a little. no offense but everyone has leaned on Ali quite a lot. this is a heavy load, we can share it around better than we have been.

(self included)

this game isn't lost for town yet and we can still pretty easily salvage it. just help. please please pleaseeee

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:04 am

MariaR lynch today is very good yeah
Kinda want to work out the team tho

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:07 am

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:18 am

not sure
is there one scum in {Maria, Icon}?

idk man it's easier to get individual scumslots right here and teams right closer to the crunch; I think it's worth us continuously checking ourselves.

I do think once we get out of strong town or strong scum brackets this game is p hard to sort and Ceph is AtEing and Gamma is AtEing and I'm not sure anyone is really playing the game rn except the conftowns but it's still worth keeping our reads carefully in check

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:53 am

In post 13456, Cephrir wrote:
In post 13453, Wooper wrote:Ceph is AtEing
how do you expect people to respond when you tell them they're garbage

don't think you're garbage at all. actually I've stopped myself on your slot several more times since your rep. this might sound a bit like, impersonal but we need to solve your alignment not how good or garbage you are..AtEing makes that a stack harder

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:26 pm

VOTE: Gamma

i tried guys. :c i really wanted to fight someone about ico.
if ico is scum and we never lynch him i want every townie's bread postgame.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:37 pm

there you go ali

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:37 pm

god i hate when you're "'':""town"" who ""accidentally"""" participates in a scum quickhammer he he right dann

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:38 pm

not sure we got much closer tbh

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:39 pm

In post 13491, Dannflor wrote:
In post 13489, Wooper wrote:god i hate when you're "'':""town"" who ""accidentally"""" participates in a scum quickhammer he he right dann
this is just such an unfortunate game for me rlly

your foolhardy hubris has forsaken you

again

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:39 pm

just assuming this was indeed the game ending mislynch

@gamma i hope you've learned a fucking huge lesson here. i didn't think ali was right about you until this phase.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:40 pm

i was about to make a joke about scum on TWO CONTINENTS doing a quickhammer and then realised no one here was in starcraft
sigh

i miss krazzy

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:40 pm

In post 13497, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 13495, Wooper wrote:@everybody involved i hope you've learned a fucking huge lesson here.
FTFY.

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:41 pm

ugh the trashy distancing smh

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:41 pm

just in the offchance we have a venge/vig

it's clearly {ceph,dann,pb,whoever} lmfao
don't get wifomed

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:42 pm

In post 13504, Cephrir wrote:yes, i too am running town.exe. i am in no way a killer robot.

beep boop, same

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:42 pm

can i be an honourary member of the scumteam to participate in twilight lolcatting : (
i don't expect to win w you given those times i tried to kill u and all

Wooper · Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:43 pm

In post 13508, Krazy wrote:<3 u duck

we'll have words.
you know i always love you.

In post 13509, Dannflor wrote:im sorry duck dont hate me

hating you for deepwolfing would be like
hating alisae for memeing and being wonderful
or hating the air for being light