Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Bingle]

My role is ironic.

I will be announcing my previous night's target every day but am laughably unlikely to actually produce useful results.

[Bingle]

A day late and a dollar short.

[Bingle]

Yo im here to meme

I request that you keep your memes topical. As this is a D&D flavored game, all memes must be related to 90's sitcoms. Your cooperation will be noted, and resistance will be policy lynched.

[Bingle]

@MOD: are we allowed to no lynch?

[Bingle]

Yo im here to meme

I request that you keep your memes topical. As this is a D&D flavored game, all memes must be related to 90's sitcoms. Your cooperation will be noted, and resistance will be policy lynched.

Bruh

Because of your username, your memes must be related to heisting. Your cooperation will be noted, and resistance will be policy lynched.

[Bingle]

Because of your type, your memes must be related to water. Your cooperation will be noted, and resistance will be policy lynched.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Icon

Even when he's town this dude is scum.

Because of your title, you must post at least 3 historical stories with little to no basis in fact. Your cooperation will be noted, and resistance will be policy lynched.

[Bingle]

Because of your username, your memes must be related to heisting. Your cooperation will be noted, and resistance will be policy lynched.

Only you ain't no mod this game, and you have no power over us. Does that bug you?

What's a mod to a nonbeliever, who don't believe in, anything?

[Bingle]

Also, aren't you supposed to be V/LA for the first half of the game so that everyone will townread you?

[Bingle]

ATTENTION ALL GAMERS
WE NEED TO STAND UP AGAINST THIS MEME OPPRESSION
BINGLE IS TRYING TO OPPRESS OUR MEMES
WE NEED TO STAND UP

I will accept this as heist related. Stealing back power from the oligarchs who command you is admirable, yet ultimately futile.

Still, you have pleased me, peasant. You may continue

being

revolting in peace.

[Bingle]

I mean... 3 dayphases? That way you get them out of the way before you get nightkilled for being a mason as a vig.

PEDIT: @Fish

[Bingle]

FF, do I need to link you to "Things not to put your Dingus in Mafia"? Don't fuck torches.

[Bingle]

You guys, including Bingle, are just salty you couldn't get me lynched

Pfffft. I have no salt over that game. I think I probably had the most fun of any individual participant, despite making arguably the worst choices.

[Bingle]

FF, do I need to link you to "Things not to put your Dingus in Mafia"? Don't fuck torches.

Hey man, what I stick doesn't make you sick. Know what i mean? No for real, do you, cause im not too sure on that one. I was going for a what i eat doesnt make you shit kinda thing cause you know what if i like to fuck torches or pitchforks, whats that to you? Was it your pitchfork? Well then you shouldnt have left it by the stables for someone to bone.

Hey man, go to town on that pitchfork if you want. I just don't want to have to deal with your genital burns again.

[Bingle]

Iconeum's gifs aren't funny

Don't competence shame. Some people aren't good enough to need a meme restriction to focus them. We must coddle these younglings and teach them, not stifle their ability to grow into the terrible people we know they can be.

[Bingle]

Punk Bill, bring on the appreciation pages. People are getting all angry and shit and we haven't even policy no lynched away the governor shot yet.

[Bingle]

But if you unvote me I'll never get the governor shot which will make me irresistible to the cult leader who will then die on recruiting me because I'm scum.

[Bingle]

this dragon is about to experience fear

[Bingle]

Hey we can't all be lyrical masterminds like Kanye.

[Bingle]

But Ico, he rhymed god with god 4 times!

[Bingle]

This thread made me remember kanye vs creative. Thank you. I've won this game on a spiritual level.

[Bingle]

Hey, lame people have feelings too.

[the rest of this joke has been redacted for being mean]

[Bingle]

Sharing is Caring!

[Bingle]

So... Wooper is obviously not cult.

Anyone care to agree/disagree?

[Bingle]

[Bingle]

Imma make it blast worse than a bomb filled with plutonium.

[Bingle]

So, no one gonna talk about how wooper anticultslipped?

[Bingle]

[Bingle]

You wanna help me find people to fight Jingle?

Don't fight Jingle, Jingle is our friend!

[Bingle]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[Bingle]

coldheartedking
not chkflip

One of these users is the mod. The other one of these users isn't in the game.

[Bingle]

Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma? I've seen those English dramas, too.

[Bingle]

So why, would cultwooper be so insistent on finding out what the not a player did N0 when he knows the not a player is not a player by virtue of the fact that he's not in the cultwooper's pt?

Hence, wooper ain't no cultist.

[Bingle]

Alisae slacking. If this were AlivPine e'd already have like 400 posts.

[Bingle]

coldheartedking
not chkflip

One of these users is the mod. The other one of these users isn't in the game.

as soon as i was like

"who would chk target?"
then "ah i meant coldheartedking not our mod whose name is literally chk" i was like

........... LOL

The fact you thought that was why I was ignoring it is what makes you notCult, ftr.

[Bingle]

Nah, still just 3d.

You did a dumb that cult you wouldn't have done. Sure, cult you might do the dumb for towncred.

People ignored it.

You then got self conscious over people ignoring it and went back to find out why people were ignoring it, and came up with an answer that cult you wouldn't have needed.

The second dumb, of thinking we (read here: at least me) were thinking you were asking about who the mod would target is almost certainly not faked, and thus you're almost certainly not cult.

Given the nature of the setup (multiple balls with confirmed cult) that means fuckall in the long run. But it does mean you are the worst lynch for D1 so far.

Congrats, you have a free pass to D2. When we probably powerlynch you for being an obvious cult recruit.

[Bingle]

Oh good, this is going to be a game where there are gifs and pages upon pages. This is gonna be such shitstorm, I'm so in.

It's okay, I know Pine would never recruit you, so you're safe.

[Bingle]

@MOD: are we allowed to no lynch?

Specifically to get rid of the governor shot.

[Bingle]

Pine doesn't recruit people he likes or the scum PT wouldn't have been so hilariously toxic. I mean... You'll probably never see it, but there were like 10 death threats per page.

[Bingle]

@MOD: are we allowed to no lynch?

Specifically to get rid of the governor shot.

Yes.

Yeah... so we're doing this.

[Bingle]

give it to bingle, he doesn't want it

No fuck that there's a cult.

Like, literally, if you give me the governor we also lynch me D1. It's a low impact role in the hands of town which is best used to trap scum quickhammering in MYLO. A strat that only works if no one knows you have it.

In the hands of scum, however, it means LYLO comes a day earlier.

We're throwing the governor shot in the garbage, where it belongs.

[Bingle]

VOTE: No One[/v]

[Bingle]

VOTE: No One

[Bingle]

OR ANY INTRODUCTORY FLAVOUR TEXT NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT, JINGLE

Did I not put yours in?

I seriously thought I had put all the ones that were already written in up to EJ's replace. I might go back and do that this weekend.

[Bingle]

So there isn't a good reason to keep it?

I mean... It targets the cult recruit, I guess? If we have a player we actually want to be a cultist for some reason (which... I can think of an implementation but it's unlikely it exists and also an amazing fakeclaim), they should probably claim and be given the governor fruit.

[Bingle]

@MOD: How does that work exactly?
Either in thread or via PM, the winner of said ability would alert me in some way that it's being used. I would then wash the vote count and end the phase in a no lynch.

From this, I'm taking the likelihood of a nonpublic governor shot to be high. We may want to burn that during D1. Although doing so with 40 people is gonna be an incredible pain in the ass.

Ungated governor is almost necessarily scum in this setup.

[Bingle]

Jingle I'm interested in this anticult-slip thing.

Nah, still just 3d.

You did a dumb that cult you wouldn't have done. Sure, cult you might do the dumb for towncred.

People ignored it.

You then got self conscious over people ignoring it and went back to find out why people were ignoring it, and came up with an answer that cult you wouldn't have needed.

The second dumb, of thinking we (read here: at least me) were thinking you were asking about who the mod would target is almost certainly not faked, and thus you're almost certainly not cult.

Given the nature of the setup (multiple balls with confirmed cult) that means fuckall in the long run. But it does mean you are the worst lynch for D1 so far.

Congrats, you have a free pass to D2. When we probably powerlynch you for being an obvious cult recruit.

[Bingle]

So, jingle has taken my arbitrary day 1 town lock slot.

Gross.

[Bingle]

Yo Inferior-Search-Engine-Le, can I have a fun meme specificity??

VOTE: Vjörk

Hmmm. My first instinct was either Star Wars or Metal, because, you know, you.

But I think, Darth Easy, that we'll go a little more abstract. As you are very concerned with quality, your memes must be related to ranking things. Your cooperation will be noted, and resistance will be policy lynched.

[Bingle]

Drew and EP both locktown

Do you realize that giving you the governor is a great way to get you policy lynched? If so, does that affect your read? Why? Wynaut?

[Bingle]

Allow me to reply with a meme, 2 secs

Okay, but could you then reply with an actual response?

[Bingle]

How about both?

Spoiler:

I love you.

[Bingle]

Drew and EP both locktown

Do you realize that giving you the governor is a great way to get you policy lynched? If so, does that affect your read? Why? Wynaut?

If at first you don't succeed, vote Menalque again.

Also, don't try skydiving.

Expecting cult to have some kind of funky mechanics since day 1 is going to open with a cult Q&A.

Something something cult recruiter suicides if they target scum something.

[Bingle]

He did say that votes didn't count until the election phase started. At least, that's what I remember reading. I do have a cold, so it could all just be a feverdream.

Am I in it?

Considering it's been about this game why yes, yes you are.

There's a $5 cover charge for dreams about me. I'll link my paypal at the end of the game.

[Bingle]

Errr doesn't leader typically die and not recruiter? Or are they the same thing.

Generally identical, although leader more strongly implies white flag cult.

[Bingle]

give it to bingle, he doesn't want it

No fuck that there's a cult.

That was a joke post

No, seriously. There's a cult. I'm not joking.

[Bingle]

[Bingle]

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

[Bingle]

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

itt Bingle rewards contrarianism...? Idk about Ico but those two are campaigning for someone to actually get the gov and I changed my tune to not wanting to give it to anyone when it was announced to result in a no lynch. What metric are you making these reads from?

Both of you two feel like you want towncred from doing the optimal thing, which is kinda bleh.

Mena is treating it exactly like TownMena treated fruit, which backfired spectacularly on him and got him a bunch of scumreads thus isn't likely to be a thing he'd fake as scum.

Chem is trying to draw reads from it instead of just worrying about the mechanic, which is slight feelsgood vibes.

Just because someone is doing something that is right for the town doesn't mean that they themselves are town, which is incidentally why Enigma's townread of me was p gross. Also, *reasons*. If we were voting to lynch right now I'd be voting Enigma 200% of the time.

[Bingle]

Okay then...
The governor shot has an advantage that Bingle didn't bring up earlier.
It gives reads. The whole process of voting for the governor shot, and then later how the person with the shot uses it, generates reads. And I believe that offsets the mechanical disadvantages of the shot.

Having said that, at this stage in the game there's only one role that could effectively use governor in this situation that can get away with claiming right now. And that would still be heavily ill-advised due to the presence of a cult. So if we do give someone the governor shot, we probably won't be doing it for mechanical reasons. And since we haven't had enough time to form good reads yet, the next strategy we could use to give the shot is to give it to someone who can be read somewhat easily to see how and if they use it in the first few days.

So I'm going to VOTE: Creature (I could be convinced into voting for DEB as well.)

Wow, this leapfrogged into "Easily the worst reaction to governor vote" immediately!

[Bingle]

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

you should vote for me then!

But I don't want you dead. And if we give you the governor shot, then you have to die.

[Bingle]

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

you should vote for me then!

But I don't want you dead. And if we give you the governor shot, then you have to die.

ur really gonna go through the process of lynching me twice just cause I have a governor?

Yes.

Or at least waste the first lynch on getting rid of the governor shot.

If you publicly have a governor shot, there's no reason for a cult not to recruit you. You can prevent a lynch, giving an additional night of recruitment. There are specific roles that could be positive equity with a governor shot, but they're unlikely imo and most of them lose that equity via claiming (like unrecruitable townie). Compare: Scum governor is disproportionately better for scum than town governor is for town. Cult governor is disproportionately better for cult than Scum governor is for scum. The chance at a very small advantage (that I don't think is really an advantage in the first place) is not worth the chance at LOSING A DAYPHASE.

And the best case scenario of giving the governor shot to someone who obvtowns? Yeah, well that's putting more of a target on their back for recruitment, not less.

[Bingle]

let us all remember the parable of the warmpupper who was wrongly maligned for having a governor shot

The objective best response to that situation would have been for you to lynch in Fire's pool and then FF to vig him at night.

Hands down, as mod, including governor at all was a shitty choice I made. Making it EVEN MORE scumsided was the worst choice I made in the entire game that people spent 3 phases complaining about how bad the design was. I own that. Trust me when I say that the only thing a righteous mayor would do here is throw that governor lynch in the garbage.

Here's the thing. Lynching >>> No Lynching, outside of very specific situations. In those situations, WE CAN STILL VOTE TO NO LYNCH.

[Bingle]

I would use my FIRE READS to save town from a mislynch, so. there's that.

No, you wouldn't.

It sounds like you would, but here's what would happen. You'd govern a lynch that you were unable to derail by arguing. We'd No Lynch instead. And then we'd wake up again and lynch the guy whose lynch you just derailed because you already proved you couldn't convince people that your FIRE READS were more right than theirs.

[Bingle]

You have to manually do that unless it's specifically coded as a tag.

[Bingle]

Bingle, is governor shot in conftown hands better than no governor shot at all?

No.

I would use my FIRE READS to save town from a mislynch, so. there's that.

No, you wouldn't.

It sounds like you would, but here's what would happen. You'd govern a lynch that you were unable to derail by arguing. We'd No Lynch instead. And then we'd wake up again and lynch the guy whose lynch you just derailed because you already proved you couldn't convince people that your FIRE READS were more right than theirs.

See, that’s where you’re wrong

I’ll keep my cards super close to my chest

Wait for scum to opportunistically wagon a poor unsuspecting townie boi

Then I will spectacularly emerge from my feigned slumber, the mayor the town needs, not the one it deserves, govern that bad boi up and proceed to illuminate the scum who were leading the lynch to the rest of the gentle citizens of this here Cobble town and we will secure flawless victory

Or, if you actually had the ability to derail the lynch you could do that at say L-3 and not waste the ability of the town to potentially kill scum.

Bingle, is governor shot in conftown hands better than no governor shot at all?

If there is cult then conftown there is not.

Can we elect no governor?

Yes

This thread is moving so fast no one will notice when I say I like sleeping naked

I'm going to periodically bring this up for as long as we both shall live (in this game).

(Also who tf is whopper)

hello there. i wish the game didn't start without a notification PM, but here we are.

Everyone who posted earlier than me is slightly suspect.

You play mafia? HOLY FUCK! I thought you were just on site because you feed on the fear of the users.

[Bingle]

BTW: For all those nerds who think town governor is a good thing:

Use and Power

Town Governors are frequently seen as Negative Utility, as stopping the lynch denies a flip to the majority of the Town.

Their main use is in stopping the lynch at LyLo, hopefully catching quickhammering scum - but then, this is such a way of causing all of the living scum to out themselves that this tactic may be banned.

Mafia Governors are overpowered in normal circumstances for obvious reasons - they can delay the lynch of a scumpartner for a Day, getting the full benefits of having that partner alive for an extra Night. However, scum-side Governors only tend to appear in games where there are plenty of other ways to render someone dead aside from the lynch.

[Bingle]

that was from the wiki, btw.

[Bingle]

I was a mason lol.

Mason is a kind of scum.

[Bingle]

town governor is a good thing:

I can fite u if u want. I disagree

It's okay; you're allowed to be wrong. I just have to prevent a majority from voting any individual player to get the obviously scum oriented power for what, 9 more days? In a game where there's a cult.

[Bingle]

ohh theres cult in this game?

Nice. Please convert me n1 guys.

I endorse this product and/or service.

[Bingle]

I'm....pretty ok with soft leashing cult.

:thorface:

[Bingle]

good d2 lynches are
nero
fucking
cain

^ agree

Shhh... The sooner I get PL'd as a likely cult recruit the sooner I stop being the most active poster.

[Bingle]

Yeah, but people will THINK I'm a likely cult recruit, so I get to die earlier than you. You're gonna join the cult and be here until next April, while I'm busy wrecking all your collective faces in team mafia.

[Bingle]

Remember how BBMolla told us he sleeps naked? I do.

[Bingle]

Wouldn't it be cool if this game had like 10 vigilantes?

And they're all NK immune millers.

[Bingle]

Weren't you supposed to make up a story for me? God. Worst. Former. Fish. Ever.

[Bingle]

If xofelf or chemist turns out to be scum, they are not scum together. I don’t know xofelf but she seems a little clueless/confused for her join date but I can’t tell if it’s a tell or not since I don’t know if it’s normal.

xof doesn't play mafia very often and was very lynchbaity in AlivPine recently.

I can confirm that me arguing optimal townstrats is my bread and butter as both alignments.

Mena seems very unconcerned with being vocal and thus killed for a 3p.

[Bingle]

Have I mentioned that I really hope Ceph's PR is fake, and encourage him to continue it regardless?

[Bingle]

If xofelf or chemist turns out to be scum, they are not scum together. I don’t know xofelf but she seems a little clueless/confused for her join date but I can’t tell if it’s a tell or not since I don’t know if it’s normal.

xof doesn't play mafia very often and was very lynchbaity in AlivPine recently.

I can confirm that me arguing optimal townstrats is my bread and butter as both alignments.

Mena seems very unconcerned with being vocal and thus killed for a 3p.

On the first two counts, I figured as much.

About mena, I agree. It’s odd. There is no one I want LESS to be governor.

Why do you think governor nets us information, btw?

[Bingle]

Don't bruh the snarky boar, Ali. Let the snarky boar continue to be the most entertaining poster. Far more entertaining than that firebrunger n00b.

[Bingle]

Jesus, this game.

Some kind soul want to sum up what has happened so far?

Well, first the earth cooled and the dinosaurs came. And then a bunch of people were all like "Governor isn't terrible for town regardless of who gets it" and "Giving scum a potential advantage is going to give us INFORMATION!" And then Eminem locked Dr Drew in his basement. Or was it Dr. Dre? Iunno, all Dr. D's are pretty much the same.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Untrod Tripod for Governor.

Having a 1-shot governor be able to stop a lynch out of 40 people is fine, pro-information, and voting no governor gets nothing.

Zoraster is town. (Long time no see btw). His thoughts basically echo mine. I had no idea game started.

Thoughts?

[Bingle]

Bingle, dance with me.

[Bingle]

I just realized you thought I agreed 100% with everything he said. I specifically was talking about the fact that early posting could be a very minor indication of scummishness, or at the very least, him having the exact same experience as me (being like wtf, game started?) made me feel like he was town since I related. I also think that experience would be unlikely to happen for scum.

Oh, I realized that you could have only agreed with one of the two things he said. I just wanted to see how you responded there, tbh. I also vaguely agree that the thought of "Person saw game unreasonably fast and is thus slightly more scum equity" is townish.

[Bingle]

Why do you think governor nets us information, btw?

@Zor:

This question.

[Bingle]

We have things to discuss and they are very relevant to the game.

Things, Mr. Man? What things be those?

[Bingle]

- O -
X X X
O - O

I win. Also, you're bad at tic-tac-toe.

[Bingle]

We have things to discuss and they are very relevant to the game.

Things, Mr. Man? What things be those?

I'm in a unique position to do a thing, it's a one time thing, and it would allow us as a group to make a decision that can be more controlled. I know that some people might be against this, but I'm not here to entertain those watching.

I know I'm being cryptic, but I don't wanna out exactly what this thing I can do is. I also wanna make sure that I make the most of this and do the best thing for town.

Have I been vague enough?

I see four classifications of thing.

1. Protown, increasing returns.
2. Protown, diminishing returns.
3. Spicy.
4. Antitown.

If Spicy, I would wait until discussion drops off so that you can shake up the thread. An example of this would be a gladiate.

If increasing returns, I would wait until you think you've become a likely NK target. This would be along the lines of Dayvig. Remember, if you get recruited by a cultist you should still shoot for scum because they can kill your leader.

If diminishing returns, I would wait until there's a lull and after the governor shenanigans. I can't think of something to exemplify this other than some types of informed. (Specifically information the scum isn't likely to find helpful in crafting fakeclaims/playing around PRs)

If antitown, I would just not do it. If you must do it, rip that bandaid off and get that sucker out the way.

[Bingle]

[quote=chkflip post_id=11362460 time=1573105884 user_id=14709 post_num=0]

Spoiler: The Ruleset

CHKFLIP’s MAFIA DO’s + DO NOT’s

Pre-game

- If the /confirm number is reached, start without me. I will catch up.

Day Phase

- The first rule of ongoing mafia is you do not talk about ongoing mafia.
-- This rule includes my games as well as any other you may be playing in.
- Brash behavior inside the confines of site rules is acceptable.
- Encrypted or colored text is unacceptable. All other

Code: Select all

 is acceptable.
- Use [vote][/vote] and [unvote][/unvote] tags when trying to achieve lynch.
- [b]@MOD:[/b] is the best way to get my attention re: anything.
- Do not ask about roles, the setup, or if you should have received a PM.
- Do not attempt impersonating or quoting any moderator of this game.
- Lynch is instantaneous; this means that once the hammer is dropped, Day ends.
- Lynch is achieved at half the player list (rounded down if necessary) plus one.
- Upon being lynched, it is unacceptable to speak sans one “bah”-like post.
- Prods go out after 2 days of inactivity; replacements 1 day after that.
- Do not claim scum, even if you are and you feel you have been caught.
- I force-replace to my own discretion for any reason I see fit.

[b][u]Night Phase[/u][/b]
- Nights will last 3 days unless everyone gets their action in early.
- Most roles are compulsory; if your role states “you MUST” this applies to you.
-- If you do not choose someone, a random choice will be made.
-- You may choose “TARGET: NOBODY."
- You will not be told whether your night action resulted in success or not.
-- This applies unless otherwise stated inside your Role PM.

[b][u]Special Cases[/u][/b]
- HYDRAS: please create and link me to your QT: it will not be shared.
-- Do your best not to “alt-slip” by posting from your main account.
- Do not advertise your game in my thread at any time, ever.
- Have fun if at all possible.[/spoiler] [/quote]

Nope, nothing about not being able to make moves for you. Maybe next time suck less. :P

[Bingle]

That's an unreasonable amount of salt over being bad at tic-tac-toe, enter. Chill out for the homies.

[Bingle]

I'm starting to think I shouldn't play this game with anyone I hope to continue to like in the future.

It's possible to like people?

[Bingle]

Dayvig: Vorkuta

Get your broken images out of my gamethread.

[Bingle]

is this the third game in a row you're the wrong alignment

Dude, rolling Alien just doesn't happen that often, okay? I've gone years between Alien roles before.

[Bingle]

What I'd I had a way to limit who had a chance to get the gov?

Anyone getting the gov is worse than no one getting the gov though. I think I know what you're hinting at and it's at optimal spicyness around D3 I think.

[Bingle]

Your game of Tic-Tac-Toe needs more Gilbert Gottfried.

[Bingle]

no but you can get my vote after we have lynched amron

I can make that one of my election policies if it would gain the support of your political faction and allies.
I am considering opening up a gulag for people like him

My voting bloc demands photos of Putin riding a bear shirtless in every restroom. Will you promise this?

[Bingle]

VOTE:

[Bingle]

I mean... Look at that image and tell me you wouldn't vote for it.

[Bingle]

Back to gulag with you.

Penguin isn't even in this game.
I'll make sure your job will be hammering out

propaganda posters

memes all day everyday

but wait wait wait

if penguin power proses to you

people like penguinpower

they will vote for you simply because of your power marriage
and then you can divorce him for half of all he's got

also he's very good at giphs so he can make plenty of giphs for your campaign and when you can marry him you can work him to death

also penguinpower is a mod and can ban all your enemies from mafiascum.dating.net forever

I heard PP knows where zor and mith's secret hideout in the MS ModMansion is, so he could probably spy on zor for you too.

[Bingle]

In other and completely unrelated news

I have received PenguinPower's endorsement

Penguinpower supports vorkuta for governor
Why don't you?

I believe, since Vorkuta married PP and PP is my Pirate Parrot that means I control Vorkuta now. I will admit to not being the most apt Nautical Law expert, but if it's anything like Dog Law he now has to vote where I tell him.

Well done, RCE, I knew you'd be a valuable double agent.

[Bingle]

Ahhh, you think your filthy landlubber laws apply to us. PP is my parrot, the mascot of my crew of Pirates. Also, my First Mate and Quartermaster, although those are lesser titles.

[Bingle]

i think you don't knwo

that i am a sailor

and enforcer of the seas

[Bingle]

the first five pages make me absolutely furious

stop fucking posting useless garbage or I will fucking vig you

yes I am claiming vig and I will be targeting the person who I count has the most fluffposts, I don't even fucking care if they're a confirmed innocent child

fluffposting is pro-scum in this game

Welp. I'm gonna die then.

Seriously though, I'm perfectly happy waiting to run down the clock on the Governor election, or people can vote it down to get to the meat of the game, or people can engage me over alignment relevant things. I'm just not gonna stop fluffing between those activities.

[Bingle]

Dude, the game was serious on like page 3. There's multiple people with 6 or 7 reads. Fuck, half of my ISO is actually game relevant.

[Bingle]

So, Vorky, you're a mechanical player. How do you justify wanting the governor?

[Bingle]

We need the death-count to raise if we want to have a high post count. That's basically it. Governor impedes with that.

It's pro-town now to post very little and infrequently. Once we have less people it reverses.

Information overload is the absolute best strategy as scum in this game, and it sucks that some of you are willingly helping them achieve that.

Counterpoint: It is incredibly likely that there are a fuckton of killing roles and thus creating early associations is valuable.

[Bingle]

if enough people prefer I can shoot RCEnigma

:Raises Hand:

I scumread Enigma. I nullread Ico. If the choice is between the two, I prefer enigma.

[Bingle]

that was from the wiki, btw.

(When do I get given a meme)

This was going to be difficult. Amines isn’t specific enough and everything else I could think of was too specific. And then you referenced Aaron Burr.

Historical politics it is.

[Bingle]

@815, that’s surface level in at least a couple of cases, but okay.

You can get a free pass to D2 for the ballsy claim, but I expect something tangible at some point relatively soon.

I’m thinking reads list today, btw. Show of hands, who other than me is actually going to try to read all 39 of the other slots?

[Bingle]

... Okay cool.

That probably means there are other vote-manipulation abilities in existence. Which means we definitely want a governor shot to be able to react to that.

No. It means that we want to hold people accountable for their lynching abilities and if they use them in a scummy manner immediately lynch them for it, a la jjh or varsoon in RC’s anything u pick.

Keep up.

Attn Town: If you have a potentially harmful voting role, please claim as such (that your role is vote shenanigans, not what shenanigans in particular) in your next post. Things that would fall into this category are votethief, kingmaker, gladiator, doublevoter, vote restrictor, hated, loved, etc.

If you can confirm that the role exists, please also claim that. I repeat, do not claim whether it is useful or pro town, just whether you have a vote shenanigans role to begin with.

I have a feeling we’re going to have a lot of confirmable roles and forcing scum to brand their fake claims early is going to be net positive equity.

[Bingle]

If the Mod can confirm my ability works with 1 Shot Governor you only have to get me over half way the votes.
I’ll just auto it myself.

Not the most pro town use of your role, btw.

Also, are there xlo restrictions/repeat usage restrictions/gating?

[Bingle]

Hopefully it doesn't take too fucking long for the actual game to start

First game relevant post is end of p3, made by wooper, but it’s quoted on p7 I think.

[Bingle]

What if I were to make a deal and promise to never use my governor shot?
Would that convince some in the "non-voting" block to join me?

No. If I trusted you to follow the promise, that would mean I trust you to be town and I can’t be assured you’d stay town.

If I promise to address you by whatever title you wish and defer to you in keeping the thread in line will you throw your support behind getting rid of the govern? I know from one night that that is well within your wheelhouse.

[Bingle]

@RCE - am I town yet

No, but you’re getting close.

[Bingle]

Site needs a "post it already, don't tell me about new posts" mode.

Actually this, but like, take it to the site ideas thread. Either as a optional feature for new threads or a UCP thing.

[Bingle]

To whoever is deleting posts
KNOCK IT OFF FUCKHEAD

Wait, seriously?

That’s like actually cheating if true and not the mod.

@MOD can you confirm that you will not delete posts as part of this game?

[Bingle]

Hot take:

AF is probably scum or cult leader

There's scum too?

I thought it was just town v cult

Confirmed cult and scum, heavily implied sk, possibly multiple scum teams, already at least one vig claim. I’m hoping for 6+ deaths per night.

No cultafia because cult suicides on scum recruit.

Also, like 10 more votes or 8.5 more days until no governor wins.

[Bingle]

I don't remember any recent animated show lol

I like Steven Universe and Rick and Morty

There are some decent Netflix ones I think. And the animated corner gas isn’t terrible.

[Bingle]

Yo I am over all the shitposting. Ready to vote someone governor just to make it stop.

No governor is still in the lead, I think.

There's a reason I've been hard pushing it instead of letting the chips fall where they may and ensuring there's never 21 players of support for a specific governor. Which is an unrealistic goal when at least 10 of the players have already expressed a desire that it just disappear.

[Bingle]

Is there something like google docs but where my real life name/email doesn't show up?

You can make a dummy gmail account with a pen name. I have one for personal shit and one for work/business shit.

Alternatively, you can use openoffice/notepad++ as your free word processor and dropbox that shit, but if you are used to word/googledocs it can be a jarring switch.

[Bingle]

Who hasn’t posted yet still?

Korina hasn't, but he's mechanically silent for another 36 hours I think.

Haven't checked elsewhere, but I will when I get around to reads wall for the wall gods.

[Bingle]

@EP, Ceph, AFrost, Zor, UT, Rauth, Wooper, Pine:

Why aren't you voting no governor? If there is a specific reason you think governor is protown, share it. If you think that the person you're voting is overwhelmingly town (and they aren't you) why? If you're voting someone who is not voting themselves, why? If you haven't already, please engage with my assertion that governor is antitown even in the hands of competent town.

@Glorious Leader Vorkuta:

If you would like a different form of address, please let me know. In other news, a suggestion for your first step in making your ISO the most indispensable a la ONUW, Include at the bottom of your posts a spoiler collecting all outstanding @ tags so that people can jump to your last post to find if something has been directed at them that they need to answer. This will help us with keeping people accountable for responding, keep the thread more readable, and disincentivize every faction from shooting you as you'll be performing a valuable service they themselves might instead be called on to perform. Additionally, these posts will be important in collecting what people think is important to talk about so that we can easily remember talking points in future phases.

@

@everyone else voting for a governor:

If you're doing so for the memes, :sigh: If you're not doing so for the memes, please explicitly state that and tell me why.

[Bingle]

Yes, a gmail account that requires me to use something that resembles a real life name

Frederick Nietzsche

[Bingle]

Bingle I tried something like that (what you suggest for Vork) in AvP and it didn’t help much

Vork has a talent for it that he demonstrated in ONUW. He's both good at collecting information and actively formatting it to be readable. And if he's doing that, it can't hurt thread readability any more than him fluffposting for no tangible benefit.

[Bingle]

You guys know that tic-tac-toe is literally a solved game, right?

Assuming optimal play it always ends in a tie.

[Bingle]

Santa is real, he just died like 600 years ago. Like your dreams.

[Bingle]

Oh, shit, I'm conflating saints again. He died like 1650 years ago. My bad.

[Bingle]

I think I’m good
We can try chess if you like
There’s BBCode for that

Adapt dots and boxes to BBCode.

[Bingle]

:thorface:

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There. You've got an 11x11, use _ and | and you can Dots and Boxes it up.

[Bingle]

but you have over 30k posts...

that's only a little over 3k posts a year. Also, my posts are content. Unless I'm grumbling.

Hey man, I'm just trying to get that second account on the first page of posters here. Don't mind me.

[Bingle]

heybbmolla, I'll poke you if alignment relevant stuff comes up.

Also, remember when BBMolla told us he likes to sleep naked? I do.

[Bingle]

I’m really good at Chess, Connect 4, and Tic Tac Toe.

I got Super Tic Tac Toe and Extreme Tic Tac Toe, I can whip out too. Bbmolla’s the one that showed me Super.

Check out Niya, it's p great.

[Bingle]

It's also worth noting that in a game of 40 people, there's bound to be PRs that can check if the governor is cult +/ protect the governor from getting recruited.

I don't think it's as auto-policy as it looks.

"Bad in town's hands.

Really bad in scum's hands."

"But we can use PRs to make it less likely for scum to get it!"

Compelling argument. :thorface:

[Bingle]

Niya is 4x4 with placement restrictions and a win with a line of 4 or a 2x2 grid.

[Bingle]

Oof, I'm like 40 pages behind. Anyone able to do a recap post of important information? Imma skim through it all, but I'm bound to miss something.

Off the top of my head: A lot of governor noise, Amrun shotgun reads list and reactions, PB assertion that posting >rand town, WooperNOTcult, some claims, and my claim instructions.

If you'd vote no governor we could get to the meat of the game a little faster.

[Bingle]

Okay, we're two tiering this sucker. I'm going to fill in what I can from memory, post that, and then fill the rest in from ISO's. Not sure when I'll get around to part 2.

Claimed 3p:

PB- Claimed unrecruitable townsiding 3p with provable ability on a future day. Ignoring for now.


Town:

Mena- Loud and obnoxious in a way likely to draw negative attention to himself. This is probably the best application of PB's activity is town indicative tell, as there's really not much agenda to his posting, other than fun.
BBMolla- Complainy in a way that's not likely to gain friends and claimed a role likely to eat a nk early. Play consistent with beliefs about protown behaviours.
Cephrir- Probably faking a post restriction, potentially not faking as he hasn't broken it yet. Despite the Post restriction being a solid alibi for not producing content, he's not flooding the thread but is actively engaging with AI content whenever he arrives.
Gamma Emerald- Probably the most actively solve-y
Creature- Might be premature, but the tone/solveyness/DGAF together makes my gut say town.
Korina- Mechanical read. Incapable of posting for the first 72 hours, and no one has claimed to be the cause so far, meaning it's more likely a scum ability than a town one. Outside of specific players, I doubt scum uses this on a buddy N0. The type of mechanic (negative utility) makes it more likely town than scum, especially since it's preventing him from having influence as what I see as an inherently proscum mechanic.
Chemist- I know I was townblocing this, but I can't remember why rn.

Nulltown:

FlavorLeaf- He hinted something that makes him likely not groupscum to me without trying to draw attention to it. His MYPOWER posting wrt Governor shot is also slightly more likely to be town FL, but he knows enough about how I read him to fake this as scum. I'm confident I'll read him accurately soon though.
FormerFish- Mostly gut. FF is uncaring about stepping on toes as either alignment, but he's done a couple things that hint he's town and his specifically seeking me out to engage is +equity given his opinion of my play quality.
Zor: Amrun is correct that the angleshooty :noticedthreadwithoutnotification: is likely to come from town. There's a thing I'm looking at him to follow up on, and if he does so this is likely going to upgrade to town. I won't elaborate to avoid spoiling said thing.
Pine: I expect Pinescum to try to enforce thread breathability more than Pine town. He doesn't like to take cheap victories, and the fact that he's letting go and not influencing the thread for readability actually makes me feel good about him.
Dr Easy Bake- Antagonizing FL feels townish after VGhosts, and I think he's a low priority sort anyway.

Full Null (But not worrisome):

AliKise- Honestly not sure where Ali is at headspace wise atm and doubt I'll be able to read em until that clears up.
Tripod- Hasn't done much, but what he has done suggests he's unafraid of being out in the open. I can definitely postpone this solve until later.
gobbledygook
Vorkuta
Iconeum
Wooper
Firebringer
davesaz
Doctor Drew


Absent Null:

chennisden- Could maybe be upgraded to a townread based on his absence, but I'm not unconvinced it's not the game size causing it. He acted like this in AliPine and was town, and recent experience tells me he's proud of his ability to powerwolf and control the thread as scum, but I'm not ready to say it's a town trait from him yet.
Elements- I recognize that this slot has posted, but cannot think of a post they made. Borderline with worrisome null.
Virgo the Immaculate
The Fonz
Hectic - HASN'T POSTED
Dongempire
jadesmar - HASN'T POSTED
KidAmn
EspressoPatronum - I see he's started posting since I started this, but I'm not going to reevaluate mid wall.

Worrisome Null:

TrueSoulEnergy - I want to scumread this, but I think it might be a playstyle thing. The role claim sounds scum, but claiming the role sounds town. It's an interesting carnival of contradictions.
xofelf - I had towntingles here, but the question someone asked about why xof feels different than AliPine (Gamma? I think it was Gamma) rings sound. I saw the response, but I'm forcing a null read here until I feel better about knowing why I want to townread this.
Enter - I have no thoughts about his alignment, yet he is one of the top posters. Additionally, I feel like I should.
Aaron Frost - I feel like I should have a read here, but I have no idea why.


Null Scum

Nero Cain- Asserted that he's an easy read. Argumentative in a way that is unlikely to earn him any real ire, but is likely to make people think "Oh, that's Nero being Nero".
Amrun- While she's saying all of the right things, the way she's saying all of the right things feels manipulative. High priority to determine towny-ness if town, because I think she'll be particularly valuable in sorting a large chunk of the older playerlist based on join date, remembered reputation, and what I've already seen of her logical processes

Scum

Rautherdir - Do you see what I see?
RCEnigma - Seriously though, I'm done giving reasons for now.


Notes:

3 Players haven't posted yet aorn.

[Bingle]

I’m going to design a game with a shitpost vig that can only shoot shitposters. Inspired by this game.

Fun fact, I vetoed this role from the Team Mafia theme game last time because it would skew the game to benefit a specific playstyle.

[Bingle]

I also agree with whoever said the Governor provides information to town.

Why?

Give me a situation in which governor provides town information.

[Bingle]

It was a vig who could only shoot the person with the most posts that day, iirc.

[Bingle]

this is laughable.

Elaborate. Did you not do those things? Are they not scum indicative? Do you not believe that I believe that both of those things are true?

[Bingle]

Creature- Might be premature, but the tone/solveyness/DGAF together makes my gut say town.

Umm you call this solvey Creature?
I don't disagree with the tone part but I prefer it when people with lemons make lemonade instead of complaining about the situation.
Of course, I can't say that I've seen Creature solve so perhaps it's an easy bar.

The complaining is constant. Both Creatures tend to be pretty free with reads. TownCreature tends to make comments that make me think about peoples alignments.

[Bingle]

Also you appear to not be noticing my insightful posting. But that's fine, few people ever do.

I've noticed your posting. I haven't pegged your alignment, but I've noticed your posting. Please note which null category you're in.

[Bingle]

Why is my belief that I'm an easy read scum indicative? Your argumentative point is so vague and its not like I'm NOT argumentive as town. Why is me being argumentative scum indicative if I argue as both alignments? Although I prob much more argumentative as town but lets not trust tell. What about my arguments have been scummy?

And no, I don't think you believe this.

Games I can remember Nero being impactful in off the top of my head:

LNT
Boon Wars
RC UPick

Games I remember someone claiming to be able to read Nero easily:

LNT

Games I remember Nero endgaming as scum against town who thought they could soul read him:

LNT

I don't think you think you're an easy read, and thus the whole "You're lying about it" issue is scummy.

And the point is that you being argumentative is a null tell, but that the specific arguments you're picking are against Gamma (who is low impact and unlikely to be able to 1v1 you in a 40p list) and echoing "Rarrr spam bad" which is... not really a controversial topic. Which I think is scummy.

[Bingle]

I also have vote manipulation in my kit but I don’t feel comfortable outing exactly what so...

This is exactly how I want people to claim their vote manipulation abilities. Thank you.

[Bingle]

Of all the current options (God I'm going to regret saying this) if we have to have a governor FL is the best choice.

[Bingle]

No governor is still a superior choice.

[Bingle]

you think its scummy that I'm anti-spam? lol Dude is just grasping at straws.

Just b/c YOU don't think I'm an easy read doesn't mean I have to think the same thing as you.

Also, I've been calling you scum forever so not that you are calling me scum (for weak reasons) just comes across as OMGUSY and vengeful. You're also whiteknighting Gamma here wich is yuck.

1. Being anti-spam isn't scummy. The way you're going about being anti spam is scummy.

2. I'm not saying I don't think you're an easy read. I'm saying you're routinely in everyone's POE in the endgame and the only person I can ever remember saying you were an easy read was wrongly townreading scum you. I also don't think I've ever seen you say you're an easy read before. As such, the fact that you're saying you're an easy read is scummy. If I'm wrong, you're in a unique position to show me where you've been accurately read by people in so many games before.

3. Yes, you were in my nullscum group for weak reasons. Congratulations?

4. The OMGUS accusation is kinda funny. If you think I'm wrong about Gamma town, maybe engage me about my Gamma read. It was in that same wall post where I Omgused you by posting reads of all the slots.

5. Serious question here: Have you read the rest of my post, or are you just responding to something that said your name because it said your name?

[Bingle]

Now you have made it pubic

Nah, FF's the one with the pubic thing. You give a guy gonorrhea once and he never lets you hear the end of it.

I very much doubt anyone in this list can dig subtext between me and FL when we're keeping it vague.

[Bingle]

He waited until three days later to start doing something at Micc's Pokemon Sapphire game and he was scum

Lynx?

[Bingle]

Creature, do you smell toast right now?

[Bingle]

You see, now I'm very confused because Pine is straight up not in that game.

[Bingle]

I don't see how that nullifies the read either.

It's not a game where there was a significant amount of spam or anything Pine needed to address to pull of a clean win instead of a cheap, hollow one.

I'm not saying he can't lurk as scum (he can) I'm saying his not cautioning the thread about being nice and readable is slight townpoints.

[Bingle]

Is it possible we have another PP role?

Very unlikely. The setup was designed 7 years ago iirc.

[Bingle]

Reviewers: RichardGHP, Nachomamma8, and JacobSavage [2013]

6 years ago.

[Bingle]

Is there anyone who's said they definitely don't want it?

Yo.

[Bingle]

Not quoting Nero's post to keep the walls minimal, but there are a couple things to address.

1: I took 386 as a policy "lynch cause cult" list given that it specifies D2. Which... I'm fine with people disincentivizing cultists from recruiting me, and don't see a need to interact with.

2: I do think wooper slipped not cult by talking about that. Because it's nonsense. And then when people ignored him digging into it he didn't let it drop but looked for a reason and found one that was also nonsense. I don't see why wooper cult would come up with Nonsense A in the first place, but it could be argued that that was a fake slip to cement the idea that wooper isn't cult. When wooper came back with what was tantamount to "I get it! People rolled their eyes when I said the hoofbeats were zebras it was because they were giraffes all along!" after no one engaged, it was clearly unintentional.

I'll elaborate on the Gamma read when I have the time to polish my reads list. Same with highlighting the differences I see between your arguments and BBs.

[Bingle]

If their is they are probably scum TBH.

Where if they have it, it hurts them.

Could you walk me through the mental gymnastics here?

[Bingle]

When we think about adventure stories one of the first races to be demagogued and maligned are the Orcs, and it is true that in most cases those accusations were correct and they were the ones perpetrating the evil done unto the rest of the realm.

However, there have been many times in the history of the word that speak of Orcs who have turned their backs upon the warmongering of their ancestors and set out on their own to make names for themselves. And when that expression is being used in this case it is meant literally. Orcs have no need for names and in their culture they do not use them. You know who your Alpha is and you know what rung you are in the pecking order by birth. Some have grown to hate and despise the path they are upon and leave all they have known behind to find fame and fortune one way or the other. Many become mercenaries selling their skills to the ones who will supply them with all they never had at home. Others become heros, wandering this way and that trying to undo all the damage the Orc legacy carries.

The most successful are the ones who instead of rejecting their past and the inherent violence that is so intrinsic to the natural way of the Orc, these few embrace that rage. They harness the fire that burns inside of them for the atrocities that both sides have wrought upon each other over thousands of years, and for what? An age old feud that not a single living soul can explain beyond Orcs are evil and must be killed. These few have the ability to show exactly why children wake up in sweats during nightmares, diving into the deepest and darkest part of each of us. They show us in an ugly mirror just what kind of evil ugliness can live inside a person, we make them everything we hate about ourselves, and for this we love to see them fight for us. Better than any bare knuckle match, more real than a back alley brawl. These Gladiators have names that ring bells across lands that haven't even been discovered yet, word traveling faster than foot or sail.

Formerfish, TrueSoulEnergy, Chennisden, Let our names call out to the Gods and seek favor from them, for tonight one of us dines in hell.

Challange: TrueSoulEnergy and Chennisden

You spelled "Challenge" wrong, fishy.

Also, well done. You managed to use another antitown voting shenanigans power when it would be least harmful to town.

[Bingle]

Especially when I thought scum wouldn't be able to hide in the no govs, I thought I was forcing a choice between someone who wanted it and someone who didn't.

Gladiator almost always allows for no lynch, .

[Bingle]

I have asked the mod a question because I thought it was going to work differently and it would suck to use my 1 shot to still no gov...

No it wouldn't. Gladiator, like governor, is a BAD role. It's negative utility in town's hands and Really Powerful in scum's hands. You did a good by ripping that bandaid off, confirming your role, and making yourself a useless scumkill or cult recruit.

As to explain why TSE's Governor is good for town argument is nonsense, let's examine the cases:

Case 1: It goes to town. Town is incentivized to use it early so as not to let it be useful for cult. This means we lose a lynch early, derailing the momentum of a day when we have a ton of people alive and our main concern is trimming chaff to reach a real lynch pool.

Case 2: It goes to group scum. Said group scum can use it to softframe a townie on their flip, keep a scum PR alive for a day, etc. Functionally, this is trading LYLO being a day early for a chance that cult suicides into the scum.

Case 3: It goes to cult. Cult can use the governor just as effectively as scum can, and for the same effect.

Case 4: It goes to a 3p. Ironically, if Cult dies to targeting an SK this is probably the most protown use of the governor, because an SK has no reason to use it.

Case 5: Scum has an ability like TSE's which allows for quicklynching at some point. First of all, that's an insane amount of scum power. Balancing it with a public vote D1 for a bad ability isn't reasonable, so there are likely other counterbalances in play if scum does have a power that strong. Additionally, if scum has an ability like that, they can just not use it until after they've killed the governor. Or use it AND the governor to their advantage if they get the governor.

Case 6: The role is designed to make some negative utility, such as hated, provable. Which... does roughly jackall for us.

tl;dr - Regardless of the fact that governor could potentially have a town usage, it is still vastly more powerful for scum than for town in a setup where even if a player is mod confirmed to be town today they become untrustworthy as soon as we go to the night phase.

[Bingle]

Now I see how the American election system works firsthand

Nah, that's on D7 when somehow the D1 lynch is voting for "Insert Politician you don't like (Or do like because let's be honest, they're all crooked)" 6 times.

[Bingle]

Fuck. Still count as installment #1?

Sure.

[Bingle]

I mean... I'm used to political opposition suffering "completely unexpected personal tragedies", but this...
This is another level

Oh I'm sure that happens too. They just then vote for their rivals multiple times.

[Bingle]

not sure why we didn't invite you exactly tbh

I thought we did and he didn't respond, tbh.

[Bingle]

It's not definite, but it's more likely to be town than scum in a vacuum.

I'm still not voting to give you the Governor, though.

[Bingle]

Vote Flavor for Governor

FF gladiated, they literally can't.

[Bingle]

Since my last post, exactly one important thing happened, AFAICT. No, FF, gladiator does not normally preclude no lynching. Even if it did, this is a theme game and was reviewed for balance in 2013 so arguments to change the roles midgame based on the wiki aren't exactly going to work.

[Bingle]

Spoiler: @Nero Gamma posts I thought demonstrated solveyness (not exhaustive, but demonstrative)

How does one use the 1-shot Governor won by being elected? What happens when it is used?

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

itt Bingle rewards contrarianism...? Idk about Ico but those two are campaigning for someone to actually get the gov and I changed my tune to not wanting to give it to anyone when it was announced to result in a no lynch. What metric are you making these reads from?

I will say the tinfoil of “what if it’s a lynch” despite that clearly not being possible is slightly towny though

Ok after reading that, these are my off the cuff impressions:

If xofelf or chemist turns out to be scum, they are not scum together. I don’t know xofelf but she seems a little clueless/confused for her join date but I can’t tell if it’s a tell or not since I don’t know if it’s normal.

UT seems town to me so far. He is usually an easy read for me, from years ago.

Melnaque seems to have an ulterior motive, but not necessarily scum. Maybe third party.

Bingle is pushing his agenda hard. My gut says that’s a personality trait that he’d do as any loyalty but I’ll wait and see.

Zoraster is town. (Long time no see btw). His thoughts basically echo mine. I had no idea game started.

Bbmolla is acting scummy (for him)

Nero Cain seems town - doesn’t seem concerned with his appearance or how his posts will “seem”

Full disclosure: I have a 60hr/wk job and a 1 year old toddler. I am extremely busy. I’m not sure what my presence will be like in such a big game. I won’t disappear but I won’t be available Willy nilly- maybe one or two dedicated short time periods per day for this game, period, at least until it gets smaller and moves slower. But I will do my best to be active enough to make an impact. It’s been a long time since I’ve played.

Talk about your BBMolla read please
Also I don’t think xofelf being confused is A.I.

I’m perfectly aware he’s prone to goofing off as any alignment. Why, then, would you insist I’m “wrong” to say he is scummy?I take it back... bbmolla is not scum with Firebringer, who is scum.

because I like pointing out incorrect things.

also congrats on being more right! proud of u

I like this so far by Fire

[Bingle]

Spoiler: Nero argumentation that feels scummy

14 pages already. Time to lynch the fluff posters.

this game is 50 shades of dumb.

designed to be nuts that you would be grumpy when it turns out that the game is in fact nuts. Or that there's a bunch of fluff. Like come on, you know what you signed up for, don't get pissy that you're getting what you ordered.

I'm always grumpy. The fluff in this game isn't part of game design so if people are allowed to overinflate their post count I have plenty of right to fuss about it. Although it's not like anyone really cares what I think about them so eh.

Spoiler: Nero v Gamma

(Also who tf is whopper)

Wooper

big deal.

Gamma is also scum.

First of all, after seeing Gamma question the conftown status of Ali in the game where Ali was the confirmed town treestump, I don't think this kind of thing is AI at all. Second of all, this kind of thing is exactly the sort of easy push that you can hide behind while not expecting it to go anywhere.

Again, these are not exhaustive, nor is the read strong. I actually think Nero comes across a bit better in his interactions with Ali during the 30 pages of Creature making my eyes bleed.

[Bingle]

Spoiler: 3 post Scumread on Rauth

Okay then...
The governor shot has an advantage that Bingle didn't bring up earlier.
It gives reads. The whole process of voting for the governor shot, and then later how the person with the shot uses it, generates reads. And I believe that offsets the mechanical disadvantages of the shot.

Having said that, at this stage in the game there's only one role that could effectively use governor in this situation that can get away with claiming right now. And that would still be heavily ill-advised due to the presence of a cult. So if we do give someone the governor shot, we probably won't be doing it for mechanical reasons. And since we haven't had enough time to form good reads yet, the next strategy we could use to give the shot is to give it to someone who can be read somewhat easily to see how and if they use it in the first few days.

So I'm going to VOTE: Creature (I could be convinced into voting for DEB as well.)

I mean, DEB seemed pretty easy to read in my last game. (Then again, he got confed day 2 so... my perception might be inaccurate)
And it has been a while since I played with Creature, so if they're no longer an easy read I guess I'll just UNVOTE: and see what other people think of my strat.

Everyone who posted earlier than me is slightly suspect.

Any logic to this?

I got my PM, said "oh hey, this will be fun when it starts" and then left it to chkflip to tell me when it started because I had nothing to do, no reason to engage with the game.

On the other hand, someone who gets a scum PM has a scum PT and is engaged with the game and waiting for it to start and thus noticed when the nonsense begins. Obviously plenty of people will see it in the Large Theme list and what not, but all equal, anyone who posted before chkflip deigned to tell us the game started gets a mild mark against them.

Or, you know, had the sign-up thread bookmarked and noticed the title for the sign-up thread had changed to say the game was now up. That's also possible.

And I disagree that the cult recruiting the governor shot is an issue, I guess it should be clear that that slot probably won't survive very long. (And since it has a high probability of becoming cult then scum would probably shoot the slot at some point.)
To be clear whoever gets the governor shot is the day 5 lynch if they last that long and cult isn't already accounted for. (Exact day adjustable depending on the number of night kills we end up having at night and whether or not there's an early cult leader death. But yeah, as zoraster said, this is a 40 player game. We can afford a one-shot governor, especially if it allows us to create reads and start discussion before getting into day 1. Suggesting otherwise isn't necessarily alignment indicative considering that it's probably the mechanically correct choice, but I don't think it's the correct choice with all things considered.)

First of all, there's so much waffle in these posts I thought I'd walked into a Denny's. Second, he rambles on about explaining exactly why he's doing what he's doing, which makes me think he's very concerned about how people see him and not too concerned about how he sees other people. He's doing this for reads, apparently, but when I've repeatedly asked for people to explain how the existence of a governor gives reads he's been silent. (And yes, this conversation has given the opportunity to read people, but no more than a normal D1 would. And it's certainly caused a lot more thread apathy because of people sitting on their hands doing nothing waiting for the real game to start.)

As soon as he receives pushback on the idea, he drops it with a "I guess I can see what people think of my idea." Unvoting at L-20. Which shows a real commitment to using it as a mechanic to scumhunt.

Further, as soon as zor comes in with a similar sentiment, he jumps right back into the same thing, but the tone isn't "I believe this thing" but rather "Look, someone else believes this thing! I'm not SCUMMY!" And even still, while blatantly hiding behind zor's agreement, he feels the need to defend himself from zor's thought that people who joined the thread early were more likely to be scum.

tl;dr, quickhammer no governor so we can lynch this.

[Bingle]

When we think about adventure stories one of the first races to be demagogued and maligned are the Orcs, and it is true that in most cases those accusations were correct and they were the ones perpetrating the evil done unto the rest of the realm.

However, there have been many times in the history of the word that speak of Orcs who have turned their backs upon the warmongering of their ancestors and set out on their own to make names for themselves. And when that expression is being used in this case it is meant literally. Orcs have no need for names and in their culture they do not use them. You know who your Alpha is and you know what rung you are in the pecking order by birth. Some have grown to hate and despise the path they are upon and leave all they have known behind to find fame and fortune one way or the other. Many become mercenaries selling their skills to the ones who will supply them with all they never had at home. Others become heros, wandering this way and that trying to undo all the damage the Orc legacy carries.

The most successful are the ones who instead of rejecting their past and the inherent violence that is so intrinsic to the natural way of the Orc, these few embrace that rage. They harness the fire that burns inside of them for the atrocities that both sides have wrought upon each other over thousands of years, and for what? An age old feud that not a single living soul can explain beyond Orcs are evil and must be killed. These few have the ability to show exactly why children wake up in sweats during nightmares, diving into the deepest and darkest part of each of us. They show us in an ugly mirror just what kind of evil ugliness can live inside a person, we make them everything we hate about ourselves, and for this we love to see them fight for us. Better than any bare knuckle match, more real than a back alley brawl. These Gladiators have names that ring bells across lands that haven't even been discovered yet, word traveling faster than foot or sail.

Formerfish, TrueSoulEnergy, Chennisden, Let our names call out to the Gods and seek favor from them, for tonight one of us dines in hell.

Challange: TrueSoulEnergy and Chennisden

election count 1.6

No Governor (13) -

Bingle, xofelf, davesaz, Gamma Emerald, InsideJob711, chennisden, BBmolla, Enter, gobbledygook, Amrun, Iconeum, Chemist1422, Creature

TrueSoulEnergy -

TrueSoulEnergy

chennisden -

Formerfish -

With 40 Alive, it takes 21 to elect a Governor.
You have (expired on 2019-11-16 22:00:00) left in this phase.

I may have missed some no governor votes since the last count. I'm busy and on my phone.

To bring this to the current page since we are getting action here and it's getting buried.

I disagree that no gov should be an option. It's not the way the language is in the pm not is it what is cannon on the wiki. I pmed the mod and he's read it but not responded. I don't know if I will get a response.

In order, my preferences are No Governor -> TSE -> FormerFish -> Chenn.

I'm probably going to want to policy lynch TSE if he hasn't used his power by D4 or 20 alive, whichever comes first.

[Bingle]

Why is Bingle producing the most content in the thread

Bruh.

I routinely heavy content. I just also heavy spam and sit back and do fuckall when I don't need to heavy content.

:looks around:

Yeah, there's definitely someone else here willing to put the effort in to start AI conversations.

[Bingle]

There’s like actually no reason to not vote me Governor

Except that we can't vote you for Governor.

I did say that of all the notnogovernor options pregladiate you were the best though, if that's a consolation.

[Bingle]

Spoiler: And yet, this read is stronger

Jingle I'm interested in this anticult-slip thing.

So, jingle has taken my arbitrary day 1 town lock slot.

So, jingle has taken my arbitrary day 1 town lock slot.

Gross.

It's a political read.

Okay, so *reasons* but this sequence of posts is like crazy scummy. RCE knows I do this kind of thing as scum. RCE has seen my scumgame at it's peak recently in Fogport. There is absolutely no paranoia on me, but rather a shitty empty read on me based on 3p hunting I did on like page 4. This is the most obvious attempt to buddy me ever, and it's based on the weakest reasons imaginable. Sure, town buddies too, but the specific place where RCE is at wrt to reading me? This just isn't how town him would react to me.

Mod is including a cult Q&A in the day 1 opening post.

I've checked every source I can find (signup thread, announcement, modposts) and I've found no references whatsoever to this. Unless I'm incompetent, RCE is working from more information than I have.

Maybe we'll play mafia when the game starts.

You know how he did those things earlier that were all like, buddying me and digging at why wooper isn't cult, and slipping information that I don't see a reason for him to have?

Well... Those were pregame, so they don't count.

[Bingle]

I still think that you thinking that me complaining about spam is scummy is really fake. Although Ali parroting that kinda make me wonder if Ali is the scum between you two and I'm just wrong here.

First of all, after seeing Gamma question the conftown status of Ali in the game where Ali was the confirmed town treestump, I don't think this kind of thing is AI at all.

??? I'm not really seeing what one has to do with the other.

Second of all, this kind of thing is exactly the sort of easy push that you can hide behind while not expecting it to go anywhere.

???? Gamma has said himself that he understood why I was calling him scum. Why is it so hard for you to understand?

Obvious gaffes like reaction testing the person who has been conftown for 500 pages and not connecting wooper/whopper (when wooper was referred to as whopper in that game) seem p similar to me, and thus a poor basis for a read in general. Gamma is certainly capable of making that goof .

Gamma asserting that you always scumread him doesn't really negate the issue of "Going after Gamma is the easy road and that strikes me as scummy". I really do think you're overestimating the strength of my read on you though. I'm actually thinking that you fighting me this hard on what was clearly not my strongest read doesn't really fit with the thought that you're low efforting as scum here though, and I do get similar vibes wrt AlivYou as what I read from Stellaris, so... Maybe we should disengage and come back to this with fresh eyes?

If nothing else I don't support your lynch atm.

[Bingle]

Aight. See y’all when it’s time to lynch someone

Throwing your vote on No Governor means we can lynch people fasterer. And you know what they say:

[Bingle]

Dual iso-omg me and Nero from my reads wall is worth it, I think.

[Bingle]

I’ve quoted everything important in that span too, I think.

[Bingle]

Is it? What about the last 90 pages has been more fun because we can’t lynch anyone yet?

Your argument is both stupid AND pointless.

[Bingle]

@Truesoulenergy:

If their is they are probably scum TBH.

Where if they have it, it hurts them.

Could you walk me through the mental gymnastics here?

[Bingle]

@2251: I was never scumleaning you for complaining. I was scumleaning you for complaining in a way unlikely to draw negative attention. Your example of “the masons are annoying” is pretty much the perfect counter example of complaining in a way likely to draw negative attention. Also, the busy work I wanted was a link to a game supporting the easy to read assertion, but I’ll probably read the one you linked eventually.

Still though, stale argument is stale and I do think it’s unneeded noise to go into it right now when I’m already looking at you as a slot I need to re-evaluate.

[Bingle]

I think we've gotten enough for no gov tbh

17/21 if my count is right.

[Bingle]

Someone tell me who the claimed Miller masons are so I can iso them

You want to iso people in another completed game because Nero claimed they were annoying?

I... okay then.

[Bingle]

Me too. Me too.

[Bingle]

Deb, did you see my rauth/RCE cases? Thoughts?

[Bingle]

Hm.

[Bingle]

If you want to get your feet wet without all the spam, you can dual iso me and Nero from post 1377.

[Bingle]

Deb, did you see my rauth/RCE cases? Thoughts?

Bro, if I wouldn't put effort into finding scum on D1 in any other game, bro, you really think I'm going to do anything other than fuck around on a D0? Bro...
If you link me the post bro I'll look at it, but bro, I wouldn't expect much bro.

2236

2247

[Bingle]

Deb, did you see my rauth/RCE cases? Thoughts?

This just to gain support or you want his take on our play?

Little of both. It's pretty much the only thing worth talking about from where I stand, and actually AI discussion seems tech.

[Bingle]

Bingle, what more information are you claiming that RCE has?

He said the mod said something about there being a cult Q&A on D1 start, which is apparently untrue, ig.

Creature's "I'm annoying people until they vote no governor so we can start the game" felt real.

Giving you context on GE was more about getting you to reevaluate GE. You were not in the game I was referencing.

I'd prefer not wooper to wooper today because there's one more scum role not wooper can have than wooper can have and I don't have a strong read on him either way.

VOTE: Rauth

[Bingle]

Cult Q&A is coming, these last couple days have been a little busy for me.

RCE, where did you learn this would happen?

[Bingle]

@MOD: Is the lynch deadline really 7 days for a 40 player game?

I'm an open advocate for generally shorter deadlines, but applying a scaling factor for number of players this is like a mini with a 2-3 day deadline.

I don’t think he’s updated the deadline since election phase ended

[Bingle]

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if we no lynched @ this rate.

TSE should probs activate today meaning we only need 11, btw.

And you asked about talking to zor about ge... I tried talking to zor about governor and he ignored me, so I’m not prioritizing it. At least I know you’ll respond if I engage you.

[Bingle]

I disagree that Amrun is town.

Cool, do u wanna vote there plz

Maybe later. I wanna see how a couple things shake loose atm.

Have you read rauth?

[Bingle]

He said the mod said something about there being a cult Q&A on D1 start, which is apparently untrue, ig.

In your face.

You realize my scumread is mostly predicated upon you having that knowledge and it not being publicly available, right? Where did you learn about it?

[Bingle]

It's in my iso I answered like twice now. I asked about some role stuff in relation to cult. The answer I got was that my question would be answered in a cult Q&A in the day 1 opening post.

Why did you start tr-ing me?

[Bingle]

I disagree that Amrun is town.

Cool, do u wanna vote there plz

Maybe later. I wanna see how a couple things shake loose atm.

Have you read rauth?

Oh wait, no you’re not, sorry

I am. I’m just acknowledging that I’m ignoring you.

[Bingle]

@nero Probably because it was actively avoiding engaging with content, from contextual clues.

[Bingle]

Gammas catching up. I don’t know if he realizes we’re voting to lynch yet.