Death Note: I’ll Be The One Writing Your Name

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APPLE: Ryuk

VOTE: Misa

so you guys are already flipped, right? Brave choice

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Flavour doesn't inform alignment but I'm guessing there is probably someone on kira team with flavour cop who had shinigami eyes in the anime.

I'm kinda just excited to see all the set up gubbins at the end. Shame that beyond basic flavour name safety it's probably best avoided talkimg about for now.

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I didn't see it was randomised. Just see that it's not indicative. I understood it as abilities based on flavour and alignment based on balance.

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Not sure I agree but without data points it's most likely just damaging to us to keep discussing.

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Also is RVS less popular in theme queues or something? *hides behind newbie flag*

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Yeah, it's a horrible mix of "this is bad" and "but I'm curious", is why I'm essentially telling myself off and trying to move away from it.

Pedit: makes sense, will be interested to see how it works

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Ryuk is explicitly neutral beyond what keeps him from boredom in the anime. I have some ideas for a 3rd party for Ryuk but if flavour is AI (and that is totally something morality would lie about) they could be pro town (e.g. 1 shot death note kill, win if you kill Light)

Definitely don't want to lynch her until given more reason to.

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I actually suggested a 3rd party we might want to be alive but ok

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True, was just an off the top of my head example.

Whatever, it's not a claim I'm lynching without a case and I don't get why that post was supposed to be scum motivated.

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Also not sure what I make of wooper saying I could vote this but not doing it until someone moved. If I don't like wooper's case for a scum motivated #75 I would probably vote there

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u-uh
also if people are in hoods, i think it would be a good idea to claim them!

I disagree. If the hoods are anything other than random it helps kira solve through association once we start getting flips.

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I'd say it's missing Kiyomi Takada and Kyosuke Higuchi.

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If we believe them we leave them. Depending on the nature of their power it probably behooves them to use any powers as soon as possible. If the next wagon hits kira yay, if not we know who is probably dying.

Is not like mislynches and forced claims don't happen in normal games, just means if kira want to gambit they are likely to fail.

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WE REALLY DO NOT WANT TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN

*ahem*
We do

Right now
In a controlled environment
Where everyone does it under the same conditions and without "prompting" via being put to L1

The set up is balanced around reveals.

Reveals make it easier for kira to kill

How is this in any way a good idea?

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1- potential broken setup interactions AND "mod confirmable reveals"
2- oh ok, so we just do the usual thing that happens in every game where one-by-one, night-by-night scum kills people until endgame
in a setup where we can literally massclaim without any consequences

I think we got wires crossed here. I was talking in part about flavour claims. Still don't think it's a good idea when a number of people agree with "flavour definitely informs mechanics". It just feels like it highlights our PRs for Kira and narrows the guesses on them for name.

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I also still have concerns about Kira having a flavour cop who doesn't need to be flipped to use the ability (i.e. shinigami eyes)

We have been told town and Kira both have abilities that are gated by reveal, not that those are the only abilities

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Actually RCE pushing for no lynch concerns me to. How do we know a no lynch would reveal no night actions. Most night actions you don't actually find out about unless someone says. Sure we might get no NK but we don't know who if anyone a night with no reveals helps.

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I don't get your agreement but I like a lot of other stuff you have to say.

I want a response cos I haven't got a clue where he's coming from and if he can give me a good answer then I don't want to vote him. I guess you could tell me why you agree but then I'd be worried he'd just go "yeah, what Chara said". I don't like voting when being given an answer I like is enough for me to unvote again.

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What I've gotten from the mechanics talk is mechanics is almost certainly behaviour indicative with the number of people who believe that, but beyond that the opinions are so different on what's likely happening that it's probably not consistent. It feels like too many differing guesses from everyone for it to be concerted scum manipulations.

Wanting to conceal stuff looks town, cos it would be so easy to coast with the mechanics talk right now, but I'm not sure the more out there plans are necessarily scummy if they can be justified.

Honestly I find Mikan's getting people to reveal 'hoods to be the grossest part of the mechanics talk. Vorkuta is so out there with his idea that it seems super bold as scum to push it.

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ebwop: mechanics is almost certainly flavour indicative and vice versa

Oh, and I'm not gonna reveal who if anyone I'm in a neighbourhood with but I asked the mod and you don't know who is in your neighbourhood if they don't talk so consider that.

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Shameless prodge, been taking a mental health day, will get caught up tomorrow

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Sorry I'm coasting, depression hit me real bad the last few days. Gonna try and catch up today or tomorrow.

Did everyone get the shinigami eye deal or just me? Daycop shot for becoming hated. If you are honest about it is there any reason not to just accept?

Hope it eases soon!

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Anything particular people think I should look at?

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No one responded to my comment on the shinigami eyes deal? I'm legit unsure if there is downside and I want some feedback.

If you missed it it's a daycop shot for hated (1 vote easier to lynch). Seems super powerful to me and I dunno what the catch is unless I end up in LyLo.

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Oh, it's a day flavour cop, I misread. Makes more sense now why it's not just broken. Still curious if anyone else has owned up to receiving the offer.

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has anyone used it on Evenstar who has claimed an unflippable Ryuk or someone talking about their role to see if it lines up fictionally or something else I've missed. It still seems useful

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If he didn't say that flipping those flavours would be instalynched. Hell, they probably still will be until one of them gets revealed to be town. Though it does raise the question of the shinigami eye deal being way more powerful if he has lied and it's used in a controlled fashion - it gets way closer to the daycop shot I originally thought it was

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First things first I dunno if I've done this already but I should UNVOTE: before I've caught up.

As proof I'm actually catching up you can have my notes up to page 17. It's very rough, might not be easy to read but it provides evidence of my workings when I do finially get to producing a reads list tomorrow or whatever. Spoiled for easy reading.

Spoiler: notes 1-17

16: did we ever get a link for that?

I like starting RVS wagons. +Wooper

why a50 muse on joining in? -a50

ahh, Vorkuta's bold plan, I don't like it cos set up is balanced around reveal mechanic and I trust FLs ability to do that but I think it's very bold for scum to suggest

I liked Mordhaus for town first time round but I honestly think the Vorkuta vote here is too easy

so I like chara/RCE/Wooper then

and not sure I like Bambi Jay by the same metric

104: my absence in game probably means I never got an explanation for this

I think I like a50 here, cos I didn't like the evenstar votes either

Even point 5 in 111 makes me think 3rd party still, but DN makes me think it might win with town

Mikan's gimmick infuriates me, I'll need to make sure it doesn't influence my reads

And I still don't like the hood claiming.

why does Vecna dislike RCE?

Nevertheless, I like Vecna

And I do like RCE

And I really like Chara

is 193 memes or serious?

didn't like his entrance but I think I like a50 ... kinda feel like I just like everyone though

Not sure I get why Mordhaus doesn't like Vecna's post

I like the town parts of 207, cept maybe Bambi Jay, but not sure I feel the scum parts

what is 210, I wish I wasn't checked out by this point in real time

3 misas?

not sure I like Vecna's response to Chara

I like Wooper voting Mikan

so I don't get Chara voting Wooper

or Mord, gah, I feel like there is so little explanation going on

I think I'm the other way on a50 vs vecna to wooper, but I am pretty sure it's just a shitfight

I think I like Vecna talking about 165, but I think I agree with Chara over the RCE stuff

a50 feels odd to me because ONGOING GAME

I'm not sure how I read it but I do like Evenstar voting it

I didn't like Mikan but most of that readlist is ok to me

346 is something I was thinking too

Yeah no, I keep liking Chara, even if I don't get the Wooper vote, is it just the people not in hoods thing?

I think I like the sudden wagon on Mord but I don't know if I like half the people on it, this game hurts my head

419: yes please, I thought I was disengaged cos depression but I am legit lost this game

Again, sorry my depression has been getting in a way. Though going back through I'm still finding it a struggle to find stuff I can stick my teeth into. The game feels very fluffy so far, and a lot of the votes just feel like hunches at best. They don't come with explanations at all and I can't see why they are happening. Maybe I'll feel a bit more in the second half.

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I could revote when I catch up. Anyone so inactive I'm not the one who was getting run up for lurking probably deserves it if I can't find anything scummier. And I had a hard time getting strong reads on the first half, plus no one looking bad seems like a pretty common sentiment right now.

I guess deepwolf and get kills with shinigami eyes makes sense as a scum strategy. Is setup spec usually this rampant in theme games, it seems to be bogging it down.

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Though not everyone can deepwolf so maybe no strong scum reads can still be indicative.

*shrug* I'm generally not a fan of meta reads cos I'm too slow at reading games to check them myself. Just late night dumb thoughts cos I'm half asleep

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If I vote then unvote it'd still catch hated right?

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Cos I'm happy doing that so long as if anyone hammers in the seconds it takes to do we kill that person and bambi next.

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Unless you think she'd do it for so reasons regardless of alignment...

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Ebwop: rp reasons

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VOTE: misa hatred test

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UNVOTE:

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Big ass coincidence avoided, now need sleep.

Well I needed it an hour ago but insomnia

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I don't get why you can't post gifs or how it's something we can help with.

I think it caught traction cos there are a few lurkers and a lot of feeling around that not much looks scummy. I don't like Bambi's we kill now attitude, but it might just be frustration.

What are your reading Bambi credentials?

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I'm ill and I've been sleeping all day. Gonna try and catch up or at least get as far as I can until I fall asleep again. Will be posting my unformated notes again but probably in smaller chunks cos it's easier on me when my brain isn't being co-operative.

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Notes Dump

Spoiler: 18 to 22

Bambi has same thoughts I do about the wagon, interesting, maybe I've been too harsh on her

and wooper

at this point I think I'm thoroughly middle on Vecna, still don't like people not explaining stuff tho

wooper asks what people think about Vecna, RCE votes Vecna... hmm

I think this mod could make an unannounced bastard game, but Vecna's reasoning is right

I lean RCE is right about the Evenstar speculation though

wooper asking about Vecna but then not voting on it is interesting

452 - Does Even explain why she knows about the shinigami eye deal she can't take?

and you can see Death Note user's names

I get why Vecna is taking that stance but feel eh about anything approximating a policy lynch

Leaning townBEF for ongoing game reasons

feel like one of Vecna or Evenstar should be getting wagoned sooner or later here

Even doesn't feel like she's kiraproof here if she feels like she's being fished

Chara is my strongest townread right now

Mikan ... pardon - everything she does just feels like a reaction test

Why is a50 scum. Please do an explain

I feel 50/50 split on Mord's updated list, get bambi/Chara as town and get Mikan and Vecna for scum reads mainly

Like woopers questions

And I feel a bit better about Mord after his explanations

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Notes dump

Spoiler: 23 to 27

Not sure I like 553 plan, need to think about it

And I still don't like how absolute he's being about stuff, he's going down again

And we're getting pulled down into spec

and out of it - feel like Mord is flip flopping between stuff I find scummy and stuff I find townie

It feels like anyone in Mikan's neighbourhood feels scum to her... at best it's unhelpful and at worst I don't like it

VC reminds me I felt like something should be happening to Even and or Vecna - why isn't it?

have we followed up 594 with the replacement?

hmm 617 implies you didn't say anything without knowing that soooo maybe it's just mod mind games

want to see someone outside the neighbourhood getting in on this

I think I like this a50 for ongoing game reasons

I think voting mikan now feels a bit weird from Vecna though I guess I can see some read inertia

Also just generally not sure I how much to trust what mikan said, her emotional state is clearly off

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Notes Dump

Spoiler: 28 to 32

so that FN claim doesn't get the usual hard to scum claim equity

Bambi's claim makes me wanna flavourcop her ... almost. Just some flavour spec I don't want to detail cos I'm not helping scum

I still think Vorkuta is town for pushing this so blatantly, at worst I think someone said he does it a lot so NAI

I also think I agree

Definitely find that a50 frustration at me town

Mord wants to kill here cos it's not helpful?

I didn't want to lynch Even early but keep getting less sure. Still surprised neither Venca or her got more pokes.

So much policy lynchish talk from Mord. Well, So

761 I like better. The crazy head seems more town to me

Still townread Vork here. I hate his idea for the various above criticisms but I don't think scum goes this ham on something getting this much negative feedback.

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Notes Dump

Spoiler: 33 to 37

I've wanted to vote Vecna for a while but 802 doesn't do it, curious

Chemist - curious whether you read it based on the content of the notes or the effort, when i'm engaged effort in catching up is probably null for me, though I've only got 1 week of scum game before I site flaked a few years back so I dunno for sure

okay, 862 is one of the first things I don't like from Vorkuta (well I don't like a lot of it but get scum feels from)

Need to go back and check crossover between mord wagon and misa wagon, those two were the quickest

I like Chemist I think

That actually looks like engaged LUV for d1. I'm led to believe that's scum indicative but I don't like meta reads

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Caught up notes dump

Spoiler: caught up

That actually looks like engaged LUV for d1. I'm led to believe that's scum indicative but I don't like meta reads

@Mordhaus I didn't read Misa needing help with gifs being a technical thing but a roleplay thing and it annoyed me.

I think I can see the RCE + Mord part of that solve. Don't see the rest of it tho.

And I like what Chemist found

For me BEF feels town for ongoing game reasons. LUV is null in a some town some scum feels sense.

I don't like Mord's direction here. It feels like trying to deflect.

1019 - seems appropriate time to ask more from Wooper

Gonna take a bit of time away from screen (like, 10 mins) and to consolidate my thoughts and then post a reads list.

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Bambi's claim makes me wanna flavourcop her ... almost. Just some flavour spec I don't want to detail cos I'm not helping scum

So... My flavor, which would give scum an advantage of knowing so they could possibly get a Godfather... You wanna know it?

I haven't got a good way to say more than that without spewing flavourspec that could help scum. If I do I'll get back to you. Just some tin-foil hatting and the temptation of making a play that would be super cool if it's right but probably not worth the risk of it being wrong

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I think Chara is town

I think Vorkuta is town. I've had a little niggle here and there when he deviates from mech talk but I think a "grand unified plan of solving the game" tends to come from town, especially one so loudly and stubbornly repeated.

BEF feels town for ongoing game reasons. If possible I'd like to hear a50s input here.

a50 also feels town for ongoing game reasons but not as strongly.

RCE feels off for ongoing game reasons. Not entirely opposed to the simmering pushes to vote there but not sure I like who is pushing it.

Mord I'm scum leaning on. I've generally felt a but scummier about So and town leaned Zo so it might just be that So posted ore early pushing my average off. Recently they've been moving back towards my town end.

I'm similar on Vecna but without the hydra discrepancy. I think with both of them there was stuff that felt policy lynchish that I didn't like?

LUV is null. What they've said seems town to me, and disengagement d1 is just LUV indicative, but I've also been led to believe that town looking LUV d1 is more scum indicative of them so happy to leave them at null until we get more on them.

Wooper I've been on a gentle scumward slope on, but I have a hard time picking out something in particular that I remember.

Ryuk and Misa just don't have enough. Ryuk looks like trying but not really and I got Vecna's reasoning on town Misa so I think I prefer Ryuk for the lurker lynch option.

I dunno how to read Mikan's outburst, I'm leaning town on Chemist's actions in that slot but I think their oneshot FN after flip claim doesn't give them the protection a more full FN would and shouldn't be treated as such.

I didn't like Bambi early but I think with that claim she's probably town.

Even I thought was town early with that claim, but has also been generally heading down for me.


Not well organised but I'm getting sleepy again, will try to produce something more structured when I wake up. If you have questions about parts of my notes please ask, it'll help me in getting my thoughts more structured as well as the obvious game benefits. I at least feel able to engage with the game now. Hopefully some questions I want answered and some structure to those reads in a few hours.

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@mod: please redact stuff if I went too far with ongoing game stuff, I was trying to tow the line but can see how I might have gone a bit over, sorry for the mess

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Mizzy, i think instead of saying "ongoing game reasons" it would be safer to say "feels town" and leave it at that.

also would like to hear more about the wooper scumward slope as i find it both poetic and intriguing.

finally: why am i town?

Head finally co-operating so gonna spew what I can before deadline.

I liked a lot of what wooper was doing early. Tended to agree with it. Later on I felt like there was a lot of not especially standing out going on (commenting on Vecna like they weren't sure but not joining when RCE voted, not reacting to the most game relevant posts but coming in with more relatively shallow stuff, in general backing out later on in the day) made me feel less sure.

You, I've just liked a lot of things you've said/done and I've been too much a lurker to feel like you could possibly be trying to pocket/appeal to me in particular.

Downside of how I caught up - forcing it out when my head wasn't co-operative - is it probably produced shallow reads based on average feeling, especially as not much particularly pinged me. My reads probably suffer with that. Also they aren't particularly internalised so I need keep going back to the notes to remember what stood out to me

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Mizzy, i think instead of saying "ongoing game reasons" it would be safer to say "feels town" and leave it at that.

also would like to hear more about the wooper scumward slope as i find it both poetic and intriguing.

finally: why am i town?

BEF feels town for ongoing game reasons. If possible I'd like to hear a50s input here.

Don't discuss ongoing games. That's a 1-way ticket to ban town.

It's also a one way ticket to ban scum, and I don't see how I've done enough to convince you I'm not that hard. Know something I don't?

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oh, both posts got quoted my bad

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1034 is p gross, tbh.

Gonna give me something to respond to on that?

I agree, it's shallow and I was still struggling to engage with the game. Can see how it could look bad.

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im sorry papa bingle
where else should I put my vote?

Full disclosure I support an NL

Why, unless for some reason scum don't get the eye deal they still get to kill for one member doing that. I doubt we are getting away without night kills

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Mordhaus

I can vote a scum claim all day.

VOTE: Mordhaus

This feels pingy to me. I guess it could be a joke vote but it feels more like getting a vote done there on something that might not actually go through. Though BEF is just crazy

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can I just play D2?

like I want to play I just hate most d1’s and this one feels grueling for some reason

or I’ll just play from this page & iso when it feels necessary

This sequence feels survivalistic in a way I think could work for disengaged townie. I know what it feels like to struggle to get into this game. Though I put effort in so he can too

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effort catching up that is, though I'm still struggling myself

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But it's worth a push.

Why is that the best thing you can find to push?

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Hi. I just popped up to say BEF has just towntold.

That guy sure plays in mysterious ways though.

If it weren't for the potential scum slip talking about me getting punished in potentia for talking about other games I'd agree.

He certainly is wacky as town tho

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Unoffical vote count 1.x

Something self aggrandaising but never the less charasmatic and/or funny in dark red

RCEnigma [0]:
Mordhaus [0]:
Ryuk [2]: Vorkuta, RCEnigma
Vorkuta [0]:
Vecna [0]:
Chara [0]:
Almost50 [0]:
BrightEyedFish [1]: Chara
Misa [2]: Evenstar, Wooper
Lil Uzi Vert
Wooper [6]

L-1

: Vecna, Bambi Jay, BrightEyedFish, Almost50, Mordhaus, Mizzytastic
Bambi Jay [0]:
Evenstar [0]:
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Chemist1422 [1]: Chemist1422

Not Voting [3]: Ryuk, Misa, Lil Uzi Vert


And to make it accurate VOTE: Wooper

I'm not sure I like Vecna and Mord both being on the wagon, but I'd rather lynch something I have bad feelings about instead of a lurker. He's claimed to use eyes so it's L-1 until proved otherwise.

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Anyone got experience with BEFs scum game, got no idea how to read him when his town play can be so out there and he's aware/could manipulate his play accordingly.

Wooper. You say we don't want to lynch you. Is there no way to give more details then that?

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Also know something I don't when poking bef about scum?slip makes more sense as know something you shouldn't I guess, words are hard

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Nope, what he's saying is enough to convince me to at least try and get another lynch going. If he's telling the truth he's just become an nk and probably wasn't before so more scum eyes.

UNVOTE:

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Would like an explanation tho, why eyes if you staying alive can have that much impact?

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oh my thing on mechanics!! anyone not in a hood should claim as such. literally "hi I'm not in a hood"

I think I get the situation but I might want an explanation of this tomorrow, depending on how convincing you are if you make it.

I'm also considering something very

cool

stupid to save you here. Is it worth me putting my neck on the line and who do you find scummy right now?

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Other than bambi, that's obvious

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I do. Trust me it won't be boring if I do what I'm thinking. And if I chicken out and another wagon doesn't happen I'll go back to Wooper before deadline. With eyes I no longer see a reason to no lynch.

Talking of wagons

VOTE: BEF

Still the little matter of you seeming to know I'm town

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Even after this you think I'm obvtown? You clearly think I'm playing badly...

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Like I said, ill go back to Wooper if I don't make something happen. And if this is antitown how am I obvtown?

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If Woop's 3rd party doesn't convincingly materialise d2, and he survives n1, and doesn't get lynched now, then it's the first place I vote. I'll feel all betrayed and get tunnelly.

Though if he flips red why vote there in the first place only to have this happen. In the world where we are both scum this would be dangerously blatant theatre

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I'm ok voting elsewhere, and I'd prefer not to do plan crazy mccrazypants. Where would you pick if you couldn't vote Wooper and why?

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I like it too. Did you have reasons beyond "he scum claimed, lol"

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You feel different and I'm not sure I'm convinced on this just being your town crazy yet but I can give that a go.

VOTE: Mord

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I just buy what Wooper has to say, and what to see if anything else is possible

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Woop is town.

You thinking what I'm thinking, or werre you at this place before the thing that just happened now?

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In fact no, plan Crazy McCrazyface it is. Deadline is not at a good time for a lot of people and I don't want to be forced into lynching Wooper.

FLIP: Matsuda

I am a 1-shot partial day-vig. I wasn't expecting to use it this early but I want to try and get Wooper to d2. I'm partial cos there is a 24 hour twilight after my shot. I don't know how it interacts with deadline.

An hour before deadline or if someone votes Wooper I am going to shoot someone. At the moment my pool is Mord, BEF and Bambi Jay.

Mord has been my closest thing to a scumread throughout the game.

BEF potentially scum slipped, and when I unvoted Wooper their reaction felt very pockety to me, and I really don't like how they kept trying to influence me and share their ideas in our neighbourhood instead of in the thread. Plus his town game is crazy so if I'm wrong it probably helps with PoE at some point.

I was townish on Bambi, but I don't like her reaction to Wooper when he gave more explanation and I don't like how she's been a part of every wagon that's gotten somewhere. Plus if I'm wrong she said it herself, her role is bad for town and this way she can't flip.


Sorry if I've been too crazy with this play, I don't tend to get much in the way of gut feelings and Wooper is giving me reallllly strong ones now he gave more info. Plus if he gets to D2 and has lied it should either be obvious or he needs a partner in on the act to clear him so it's 2 scum for one.

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Also, @Vorkuta, wanna reconsider your claim that roles won't be obvious from mechanics. For what it's worth your grand scheme to solve the game read town to me but when you said "Just cos someone claims to be a vig they won't be Matusda" rubbed me up the wrong way cos it was just wrong and it felt like fishing. Also whenever you have deviated from your grand scheme you have sounded scummy to me.

I could probably be convinced to shoot here, though it's not what I'm considering currently.

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I'm probably on bef right now, the neighbourhood interactions gave me super icky feelings. He was saying stuff in the context of "for you when you see the error of your ways here are my thoughts" which is stuff I felt like should probably go in the main thread anyway. I'm not gonna reveal who cos our general consensus was not revealing the neighbourhood but there is at least one other player who can confirm this if it becomes relevant.

Still wanna wait tho. Got nothing to do for the next two hours and reactions could be useful. Plus I know I'm probably dead, like I said my play is to keep Wooper alive. I dunno if you get my alignment on a non death flip but I wanna give scum the possibility of an innocentish child to kill Wooper and maybe strand any eyes shots they've already used.

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though maybe I'll regret picking my dead thread companion

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Another reason I'm leaning BEF is Matsuda having to decide to shoot someone in his neighbourhood is on theme so I wouldn't be surprised if there is exactly one scum in there. Increases my odds just on the numbers

pedit: Not much but your immediate reaction being telling me off in the thread irked me a lot, it felt like you wanted to influence me personally in a place it wasn't super visible

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while talking about me being obvtown in the main thread in a game I've primarily lurked in

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Just cos someone claims to be a vig they won't be Matusda" rubbed me up the wrong way cos it

What the shit

For real?

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@mod wtf?

This feels genuine. Don't think I can be convinced here anymore

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I'm not shooting Chara, I think Chara is town

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I could maybe be convinced of Vecna. I've not felt great about him. Got a case?

And yeah, I didn't want to do it, but I don't see how we get a lynch off Wooper before deadline and my gut called. Maybe I have just gone crazy. I dunno

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Unfortunately explaining the reasoning behind the gut for me feels like helping scum and there is a voice at the back of my head that says they'd still try and kill town!Wooper if they believe him and leave me as a relatively week not fully innocent child for a day. I wouldn't have done this if Wooper's description didn't also come across as easy to verify d2 or involving a partner getting in on the play if it's a lie.

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I could maybe be convinced of Vecna. I've not felt great about him. Got a case?

And yeah, I didn't want to do it, but I don't see how we get a lynch off Wooper before deadline and my gut called. Maybe I have just gone crazy. I dunno

on the bright side, you've turned your slot from "hm" to pretty sure town with this play, and i don't mind you eating the nightkill. (i don't mean this as an insult, just that the timing of your flip isn't necessarily a crazy one.)

i do, however, not trust wooper or his claim at all. "it'll be fine if i just live to day 2" maybe be a cliche scum move
but i still see it all the time. still, there are other slots i'm okay with lynching first.

also, admittedly feeling very vindicated about Matsuda being a vig. aha.

i'd rather you not shoot Bambi out of your options, but i don't hate any of them. don't know what to make of RC being fine with being shot but that's his choice.

Almost: how sure are you of BEF being town? also, i hope this development brings you into the game a bit more.

My self assessment of my play as town (I've not had a scum game beyond 1 week before a site flake from burnout) is that I spew well as town when I'm engaged, but I'm weak at reading people and just inexperienced. Having someone say it's not a crazy timing makes me feel a little better, and I hope that's meant whatever your alignment.

Bambi was my least favourite choice too, cos as I said I was town on her. If there was a massive reaction of "NOT BEF OR MORD" then I felt it was something safe mechanically, but when most people around are saying don't shoot there I'm not going to.

It comes down to BEF who I was town on, but I know I'm not comfortable reading and gave me my strongest pings recently, or my more general scum reads (Mord or maybe Vecna). Honestly I'm happy to pick between those two based on what other people think. I'm leaning BEF cos he's the first thing to give me strong feelings, but I think I'd like to hear if he does want to keep Bambi alive for something mechanical before I make a decision.

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deadline in 1044 says 2ish, I'm going off that

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Anyone else got a case between Vecna and Mord.

Anyone got opinions on whether I should base this off "acute" vs "chronic" reads in general?

Anyone got a reason beyond town!BEF is crazy to save him?

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if my 24 hours interacts badly with deadline I'm not gonna around much after the shot but you've got my notes and reads and my thoughts on the few pages since, if it interacts how I want I should be around for a chunk tomorrow

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I'd like to hear if he does want to keep Bambi alive for something mechanical before I make a decision.

I want Bambi alive.

Being as vague as possible, does you help keep her unflipped by being alive?

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ebwop: do* you...

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if you two are tied together in some way I think I'm more willing to let the thread work it out, bugs me that Mord or Vecna aren't here though, they can't have expected they'd be on the line

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but I'm struggling to get over how gross the interactions I had felt to me

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Dayvig: Mord

I'm not sure how I feel about RCE and I don't like him trying to move me from Mord to Vecna. I scum read them both but "pulling strings" is a strong claim for a self-admited weak read/case. Still feel gross about BEF but if he's tied to Bambi in some way I'd rather let the town work it out then risk making it easier for her to flip, and it's probably better to go off a more diffuse read. Especially when some of my reaction to BEF was based on his reaction to me, which was admittedly crazy.

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diffuse here meaning spread out, not weak

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you were always my "damn good case not to kill the other options" choice cos of your flip, still not sure I liked your reaction to Wooper but I also have to remember everyone else didn't know I could just choose a kill so had to work on end of day wagon timings

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I got the impression so was Jingle, don't have a clue for the other head. Or at least so implied so was Jingle but I dunno if they'd intentionally do that to confuse.

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that was at Bambi

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my feelings on you mostly come down to "this feels different" and not liking the slots you seem to have gotten most associated with, though they are also just 2 active slots so it's weak - just strong enough to go against you when I wanted to pick between the two

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gotta make sure there are as many people as possible shouting at me in the dead thread if I'm wrong

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I bought what Wooper said and it felt time critical.

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If I wait until d2 and Wooper was lynched and truthful it sucks. If he's lying he's still in a hard spot.

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Hey, should I eyes? Is there a way to make it good for town?

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Yeah, fair

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Part of my day vig is a 24 hour twilight, I don't know it interacts with deadline

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That's how I understood it, yes

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I didn't cos I found him convincing and easy to verify if he gets to d2

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I thought Wooper was claiming Naomi

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I thought Wooper was claiming Naomi

Where?

She dies at the end of act 1 with info that would crack open the case for giving too much away.

Wooper gave someone info if they get to day two and would get modkilled for giving too much away.

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Mizzy, you're getting shit on unjustly, no one tried to get yuh not to shoot after your role was revealed. And if you hit scum with it no one would have shit to say right now. It's just one of those things, don't take it personal.

I kinda did cos I'm too sensitive for this game but I also know this. Town mislynch town all the time, mine was just more dramatic and individually culpable. Worst they can do is not play with me again. And hey, looks like I was right and they still might not play with me again for the "scum dead for no good reason" thingy.

Never thought I could have felt like I screwed town by hitting scum tho.

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Confirming flavour NAI is not bastard is good tho

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But you gotta admit being the Vigilante that shot scum on a hunch is hugely satisfying, eh? But his odds were drastically increased in his favor with scum and 3p in play.

Yeah, it is. Though I wouldn't have ever gotten there if I didn't read Wooper as town!Naomi which is wrong

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She dies at the end of act 1 with info that would crack open the case for giving too much away.

I mean... I'm dying at the end of D1 while knowing who Kira is...

Super dramatic scene with Light and Naomi. Out of nowhere end of season broken Matsuda comes out of nowhere and shoots Naomi, revealing her to be the real Kira controlling Light through another Notebook, driven mad by the BB case. That would be a very different series

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I was feeling rough for out of game reasons and stressed by this and that image just gave me a laugh I sorely needed.

I knew generally it would have been better to keep my shot. I just (incorrectly) wanted to protect Wooper and it was the only way to force it. Who knows what info might happen though, or if any of that is even true.

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He specifically seemed aware of my alignment.

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Also I can't read him, I know his town can be crazy but I haven't got a clue about his scum game

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Fish was right on Mord but his reasons are no better than my shot, which was very much lucky.

No kills is strange. Even if 3rd parties got WIFOMed to hell and kira expected no flip protection of some sort on me and ryuk, I assume Kira team would eyes to get a kill.

Ryukplayer is Raye Pember and is flipped.

I have suspicions on the neighbourhoods thing but awaiting confirmation.

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I can vote RCE. Felt like he tried to move me off Mord, taking time to care for my emotional state while appreciated felt incredibly level headed with what was going on, and claiming a pro town flip felt like maybe wifoming my shot. Also didn't feel happy to begin with there.

VOTE: RCEnigma

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Also just increases doubts on Mord saying there are 3rd parties.

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Roleblocker then? Ehh.

Also hold up on the RC votes he made a deal with me.

Tis true. I flip today no matter what.

Is there more context?

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Bambi is forced to flip as a result.

So Mord was right about Bambi's identity and that's another kill that didn't happen? I am just seriously confused about how we got no kills here. And now we are talking about Notes as a seperate thing from the idea of a factional kill..?

Even, is your read on Vork based on some knowledge about how Death Note kills work in this game? I was hoping that with my flip + mechanics and Naomi being flipped Kira it would help pull him more into the game but D2 has definitely been lackluster from him so far so I'm more open to him being scum.

Creature having no read on me at all is wtf to me. Even if you decide I was pulling some crazy gambit as scum/3rd party I feel like you should have some thoughts on me after my flip.

pedit: Creature replaced Misa. Chemist replaced Mikan.

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also the rollercoaster of interaction between RCE and Bambi is definitely something, though I'm struggling to work out what

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Even if you decide I was pulling some crazy gambit as scum/3rd party I feel like you should have some thoughts on me after my flip.

Like what?

Are you scum and you used your dayvig in lieu of a NK? Or are you some dayvig traitor type of role? Should we erase your town cred?

All I'm saying is that even if you go with something crazy like that you should have some thoughts on me and I didn't see Creature say anything. I am town. I have no other abilities now. Someone else might think it's some weird set up bullshit but they should think something.

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Creature having no read on me at all is wtf to me.

Thought I had you as town?

I don't think you said anything about me today in your readslisty bit, maybe d1, I didn't check that far back.

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Ryuk is still in game.

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Bambi is forced to flip as a result.

So Mord was right about Bambi's identity and that's another kill that didn't happen? I am just seriously confused about how we got no kills here. And now we are talking about Notes as a seperate thing from the idea of a factional kill..?

Even, is your read on Vork based on some knowledge about how Death Note kills work in this game? I was hoping that with my flip + mechanics and Naomi being flipped Kira it would help pull him more into the game but D2 has definitely been lackluster from him so far so I'm more open to him being scum.

Creature having no read on me at all is wtf to me. Even if you decide I was pulling some crazy gambit as scum/3rd party I feel like you should have some thoughts on me after my flip.

pedit: Creature replaced Misa. Chemist replaced Mikan.

Wooper claimed to have randed a Death Note in our neighbourhood D1. I chose not to out it because it would almost certainly have gotten him lynched and I had a strong townread on him. He's now passed that Death Note to another player, who joined the neighbourhood as a result. In doing so, he lost all his memories of having the Death Note, IE "being in our neighbourhood." If he talks about it too openly he may be modkilled, or at least he claims so.

Given that my neighbourhood is still composed of two shinigami and a death note user, I'm inclined to believe Wooper was telling the absolute truth and Death Notes are passed from player to player in this game like the most deranged game of musical chairs ever.

Vork is my fellow shinigami, shares a neighbourhood with me, and claimed simultaneously to me in that neighbourhood. I believe his claim, and think the chance of him being part of Kira is damn near nil.

My read on Vork was mostly town but didn't quite like what he was saying beyond his great plan. I don't get where you got my read being vastly wrong on Vork comes from then. Note my assuming you were disagreeing with my read for having him as town, not scum.

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@Mod - does this game have a if no kills happen for X days town wins rule?

^ If the answer to above is yes and town can control the Death Notes it feels like maybe we just No Lynch and force scum to make a move if they can?

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For clarity, I don't agree with Vork's great plan, I just town read him for espousing it so aggressively

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No one replaced Ryuk!

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Also, I figured Wooper was responsible for the neighbourhood stuff but it seems like it was also only one specific part.

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Wooper also said his power cared about people not in neighbourhoods. Dunno how that fits in but at cinema so phone is going away soon

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Mizzy, did you also pick up a Deathnote from Mord's corpse?

Nope.

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Sorry I had to replace out, I was going through a bad patch and right that taking on two games at once was a mistake. Had fun following the game tho